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POLL : What did you think of The Blacklist - Frederick Barnes?

Nov 5, 2013

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34 comments:

  1. Lucas AraújoNovember 5, 2013 at 4:41 AM

    Happy to see Robert Sean Leonard again. As a bad guy!

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  2. DarqueModeNovember 5, 2013 at 4:55 AM

    This was a nice quiet episode that filled in some need exposition and still managed to be both dramatic and entertaining! Great stuff again!

    Oh MY GAWD!
    I got an evil Alan Shore being measured for pants moment!
    (Boston Legal fans will understand)

    - I loved how Dembe was chuckling as Red was snarky to Agent Keen on the phone! XD
    - Luli, is that short for Louise? *facepalm*

    I'm a little bit annoyed that Keen is a profiler, but does not seethe truth before her yet. Then on top of that she lets Wilson, erm I mean Barnes escape when she could have killed him. Ressler is right, Keen is not ready for field work and that is not surprising seeing as she is fresh out of the academy. When paired with Red she is okay, but on her own? Not so much.

    I quite liked Red's sentimentality on display! Spader can do so much without saying a word.. Just brilliant! I suspected it was hi childhood home or family home, but once that was confirmed I could not see a reason why he would buy it unless it was to destroy it! Some reason I just knew he was going to burn the place to the ground! XD
    I'm glad he got one more look!

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  3. InvestedInYourFutureNovember 5, 2013 at 5:07 AM

    Well I guess after House and Wilson faked their deaths, Wilson went a bit darkside, heee.



    Okay, I am done with that. xD





    Anyway, great episode. Part of me feels this is just right kind of pacing, but part of me wants MORE, more hints, more clues to what actually is going on. Who are the "adversaries" Red mentioned previously? What is his long game? How does Keen add in to this puzzle? What is with her husband?



    We have so many questionz and part of me LOVES IT, while part of me wants to be thrown a bone about the direction this is heading towards. That's what this episode lacked - the "mystery" for the characters to follow - before this we had Lizzie's journey of doubt towards her husband. Now this seemingly was temporarily resolved and the shoe lacks that sense of being a detective thriller. Still top-notch writing and acting however, with arguably the most likeable blacklister up till this point.



    5/5

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  4. disqus_BLvd5NQY3FNovember 5, 2013 at 5:39 AM

    there has to be some meaning to the house that was blown out.......and who was the girl? his family?

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  5. DarqueModeNovember 5, 2013 at 5:45 AM

    Yes.
    It was the house he raised his family in. When he pried back the door frame you could see the height marks of his daughter as she grew over the years. He could reminisce about seeing her playing with bubbles in the front yard.


    Why he blew it up?
    I think he was haunted by the memories of his former life. Maybe the death of his daughter.... possibly his wife too?


    The daughter was possibly a victim of the Stewmaker. That could be why Red took the photo of the girl from the Stewmaker's trophy album.

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  6. magnutudeNovember 5, 2013 at 5:50 AM

    I gave this one a good as even though it was great to see RSL again (this time as a villain), the cotw was just kinda meh for me and I thought that some parts were a bit of a stretch- notably the villain's escape from the front of the courthouse with a bunch of witnesses (including a temporary hostage) - I know it's for effect, but it's annoying that this FBI crew doesn't seem to call in backup to seal off an area where the "most dangerous man alive" is known to be, or even just alerting the officers already at the courthouse would've been nice and believable..... nice to get something of a backstory on Red with the demolishing of his old house... looking forward to more of that as the Red character continues to carry the show for me

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  7. Cor MalumNovember 5, 2013 at 7:12 AM

    Well, he said he spent every day trying to forget what happened there...just before he blew it up.

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  8. DarqueModeNovember 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    Exactly.


    The house in the suburbs appeal does not fit with Red's current lifestyle like Luli noted. IT would seem to be the house he lived in before Raymond Reddington became known as "The Concierge of Crime"."


    It will be interesting to find out what exactly Red did before the he went rogue criminal. Was it a single vent that triggered his change? Was he an "every man" type of regular guy before or has he always been a power player that just switched from legit to illicit, corporate to criminal?

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  9. Cor MalumNovember 5, 2013 at 9:37 AM

    Wasn't he a naval officer, on the fast track to an Admiral's career? I seem to recall something of that sort from the first episode.

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  10. DarqueModeNovember 5, 2013 at 10:02 AM

    Top of his class in the Navy and then one day around Xmas 1990 he just did not come home. He disappeared until years later when classified documents were leaked and traced to him.


    That really does not say what type of person he was though. I wonder if he was a workaholic Navy man or a family etc... Are all Naval officers power players involved in military and government dealings? I just do not know honestly.


    The December 1990 date corresponds with the date on the photo of the girl he took from the Stewmaker's photo album. I assume the girl was his daughter. There is a resemblance to the young girl blowing bubbles in the yard in last night's episode. Still do not recall a mention of what happened to his wife though, but I'm tied so maybe I'm forgetting something! XD

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  11. Cor MalumNovember 5, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    Ah, I've been assuming that the girl in the photo was his daughter, but I missed the date on the photo. Thanks!
    I've been thinking that Red went dark in order to infiltrate and later destroy the word's worst criminals...as a form of vengeance for whatever happened to his daughter. Or is that too cheesy a notion?
    Btw, I don't remember seeing any hints as to what happened to his wife, either.

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  12. DarqueModeNovember 5, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    I wonder if he was making illegal arms trades while in the Navy, or if the serious criminal activity came after he disappeared.

    Maybe they kidnapped/ killed his daughter as an attempt to motivate him to do something illegal? Perhaps she then "stew-ed" when Red did not cooperate?

    For now I am sticking with Red's motivation being related to Lizzie's dad like he said... He was a friend and Red is looking out for his daughter as a godfather might... OR her dad was an adversary (possibly the reason Red's daughter was killed?) and Red is getting close to Lizzie either as a way to draw her dad out of hiding or as payback by using her to achieve his goals?

    I have no real evidence of either though so he could just as easily be doing it because Lizzie and his daughter were friends, he thinks Lizzie may be his daughter, or something we cannot have a clue about until we learn more information later! XD

    Yours is as good a theory as any right now! XD

    Honestly for some twisted reason I hope Red is doing all of this for more dubious reasons.

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  13. Cor MalumNovember 5, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    I'm cynical enough in real life that I'm going to root for the sentimental motive here. However, we're all at the mercy of writers who may themselves not yet be sure where they're taking this story... ;-)

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  14. Simon AitkenNovember 5, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    So glad they aren't going with the cliched 'Reddington is actually Lizzie's father' route! Really enjoying this show so far, this season's 'Person of Interest' for me!

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  15. alperezNovember 5, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    Really excellent show and another top notch episode, so glad you mention POI as this show is not just this seasons POI but it seems to have learned from POI in how to tell an intriguing story too.


    How the Mythology is handled in this show and how the cotw seems to have multiple angles is so reminscent of all the good things that POI does i hafl expect to see Bear LOL.


    Red's Backstory, his motives and how they're being slowly integrated into the overall fabric of the show, along with Liz's own story and her husbands possible one also are being handled exactly how POI did with FInch and Reese and the machine, we're getting titbits, seeing part of the whole which makes us want to see more and see more quickly, but also makes the journey to the truth that much more satisfying.


    When you also have Spader delivering a top notch performance every week backed up by some excellent dialogue, the show just makes you want it to be longer (which is a really good thing).


    Where i'm not sold yet though is in Liz's story, not Red's part in it but her own story if you get me, the actress just doesn't bring it yet, her emotions are all over the place and not in a good way, when she's supposed to be sad or angry or worried, it just doesn't come across how it really should.


    I'm not sure if it's the actress's fault or my own that i can't take her seriously with the wigs, it's just annoying everytime i see them, that i find it hard to relate to her, also at times she comes across as trying to act younger than she is, almost as if she's too old for the part, or too experiences if that makes sense.


    They really need to work on that, also give us a reason to like someone other than Red, POI can make us Root for Root, surely you can make us like the FBI a little.

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  16. Nicole W SargentNovember 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    Does anyone else think that Red is Lizzys father but for some reason he had to give her up to best offer her protection from something so he changed her name and identification and the father that she has and thinks is her father is really just who Red gave her to to take care of her. Maybe Red really is Lizzys father and that's why he came back. I think he plans on telling her at some point just doesn't want her to know yet because he said in this episode that he knows she's gonna want him around because he has answers to questions she doesn't even have yet and then in the preview for the next episode Lizzys father was like I need to tell her the truth and Red was like I can't let you do that.

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  17. sprovoNovember 5, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    I have a few ideas that I can't get away from. They do not necessarily relate.1. Liz shares a mother with Red's (assumed) deceased daughter. Maybe she reminds him of his wife and daughter.2. The connection is Tom. Maybe he works for Red's adversary or can lead them to the adversary.3. The cameras are being watched by Red's adversary and/or Tom's employer.4. Liz is his daughter. He is a total nut who realized he had to hide his loved ones from his enemies. He realized this after the first daughter was killed or he was raising someone else's daughter(the one killed) by switching them at birth in order to truly conceal the identity of his daughter Liz.Happy I found someplace to bounce this stuff around.

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  18. sprovoNovember 5, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    I think they've spent the season trying to make the viewer believe that they aren't father and daughter only to reveal they are.

    My only issue is the government has had access to both of their DNA. You'd think they have their own concerns about the relationship between the two which would lead to this simple lab order.

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  19. AndreaNovember 5, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    #4 is basically what I have been thinking (with a few differences). I just can't see why Red would act like he does if Liz wasn't his daughter or the very least related.

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  20. AndreaNovember 5, 2013 at 4:33 PM

    That's pretty much what I've been speculating since the beginning

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  21. AndreaNovember 5, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    Why is it cliche if it's actually what works best for the narrative?

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  22. sprovoNovember 5, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    They only thing I can come up with is he's after Tom but has grown an attachment for Lizzie. His involvement with Liz has led to the cameras in the home. Maybe Red is just provoking his adversary out of hiding by involving himself with Liz and by association Tom.

    I'm hoping their father annd daughter. My guess is we'll know long before Liz does and she'll likely only find out by Red doing somethingfor her. She'll discover it instead of Red telling her and she won't let Red know that she knows. The show will operate with both not addressing it for some time but acting differently.

    Just a guess.

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  23. AndreaNovember 5, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    His attachment to Liz would still be creepy if it was only because of Tom ( the things he says to her are way too meaningful). The camera in their home is for Tom, mot Liz though and it didn't seem like the guys behind the camera were working for Red - they did says "he's not working for Red, so who is he working for?"

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  24. sprovoNovember 5, 2013 at 5:02 PM

    Totally agree.

    One thing that I keep going back to is when they installed the cameras. They really focused on the covert aspect and the fact that they really didn't (and frankly couldn't) harm anyone.

    The eyes behind the camera could be a higher form of government that Meera Malik is with or it's Red's adversary but their comment about Tom not being with Red seems to lead to Tom not being with them either unless they're afraid Tom is double-crossing the adversary with Red.

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  25. AndreaNovember 5, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    Yeah either Tom is double crossing them and working for someone else, or there's a third party there. I'd like to think the FBI//CIA wouldn't go that far because they have no proof against Tom so if either he or Liz finds out, the FBI/CIA is really screwed.


    Whoever got the cameras definitely thinks/knows Tom is something else.

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  26. AndreaNovember 5, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    I dont see any resemblance tbh and the girl looks older. When he told the stewmaker the farmer story, he said "children" so maybe that's the daughter he lost, and the one from his memory is the daughter he saved?

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  27. KaijaNovember 5, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    I'm getting really anxious about the whole story of how they're related. Also, how cool was Robert Sean Leonard as a bad guy?

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  28. sprovoNovember 5, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    I'm actually coming to terms with the idea that the CIA/NSA would definitely do that. Especially with the high profile cases involved but I do tend to think it's the adversary or a third party we aren't aware of.

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  29. DarqueModeNovember 5, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    I thought she looked older too, but I thought his memory of her playing in the yard was of an earlier time when everything was good - not days before she was taken and killed like the photo. When I reminisce about a long time friend (I have no kids) I often see them at various stages of their life, a child, a teen, and adult.


    I like the idea of children plural. I had not thought of that. I do not recall the line from Red so I must have missed it.


    I have thought Lizzie could be Red's daughter since the first preview I saw for the series, but I have steadily been moving away from that theory. No particular reason other than it seems too obvious and cliche. It could still work of course, but I hope the writers can come up with something that surprises me in the end.

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  30. AndreaNovember 5, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    Liz is adopted, that's her adoptive father.


    I don't think it would take away at all from the show him being her father, especially because I doubt they're doing to reveal that any time soon anyway. I think there's a whole background there to make it super interesting because then Red turned into what he is because of his family/Liz.


    My main problem with Red not being her father is because he'd be completely manipulating her and her entire life for some obscure, selfish reason we need to find out about yet, which is not entirely bad, but I already adore them and their relationship, so him being just some obsessed psycho with no real feelings towards her would just crush me. And any kind of possible romance between them would just completely ruin the viewing experience for me, too for several reasons.


    Besides, from all of the little things between them in the show I just can't see him being anything else. The things he says to her it's thing he'd say to his daughter. Either he's her father or deeply connected to her in a fatherly level.

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  31. DarqueModeNovember 5, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    .
    The one line I caught TV was her dad (adopted or not) saying "She needs to know the truth." While I doubt it is any mega-truth that would change everything I think it will be interesting!


    I agree Red has been quite fatherly at times, and hurt when she rebukes him, but at the same time Red has shown he is willing to walk away if she gives the word. If he was only there because he is her father I think he would not even bluff at walking away.


    That said, I'm not ruling out he could be her father. Like I said, that was my first thought before the premiere even aired. I just do not want the show to go down that road for many, many reasons.

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  32. AndreaNovember 5, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    Doesn't matter if the truth is small or big, because just the fact Red is connected even to her adoptive father is interesting. There's some serious hit going on and Liz is right in the middle of it.


    If Red is her father, he gave her up to protect her, been away for 20+ years, I can see him walking away if that's what he wanted, but highly doubt he's stay away for long she needs him now and he knows it. He let her go once, bluffing is not above him tbh.


    I honestly don't see anything wrong with it LOL

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  33. JohnNovember 6, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    "Did Ressler slip on a banana peel?"

    LOL when Red said that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  34. DarylsGirlNovember 8, 2013 at 4:01 AM

    lol i did too! i got an immediate mental image of Ressler running to a crime scene and slipping on a banana peel. i giggled for like 5 minutes before i could resume watching:)

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