Check out the dates below:
THURSDAY, JANUARY 2
8:00-10:00 p.m. “The Taste”
10:00-11:00 p.m. “The Assets”
MONDAY, JANUARY 6
8:00-10:00 p.m. “The Bachelor”
TUESDAY, JANUARY 7
10:00-11:00 p.m. “Killer Women”
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 15
8:30-9:00 p.m. “Suburgatory”
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 26
9:30-10:00 p.m. “Mixology”
SUNDAY, MARCH 9
9:00-10:00 p.m. “Resurrection” (New Time)
10:00-11:00 p.m. “Revenge” (New Time)
TUESDAY, MARCH 11
10:00-11:00 p.m. “Mind Games”
Source: ABC
THURSDAY, JANUARY 2
8:00-10:00 p.m. “The Taste”
10:00-11:00 p.m. “The Assets”
MONDAY, JANUARY 6
8:00-10:00 p.m. “The Bachelor”
TUESDAY, JANUARY 7
10:00-11:00 p.m. “Killer Women”
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 15
8:30-9:00 p.m. “Suburgatory”
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 26
9:30-10:00 p.m. “Mixology”
SUNDAY, MARCH 9
9:00-10:00 p.m. “Resurrection” (New Time)
10:00-11:00 p.m. “Revenge” (New Time)
TUESDAY, MARCH 11
10:00-11:00 p.m. “Mind Games”
Source: ABC
Wonder if moving Revenge to 10 will work.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes for Suburgatory! Will be checking out Mixology and Killer Women.
So, they actually slided Revenge down an hour on Sundays? I hope this helps the show.
ReplyDeleteHope Revenge did well on her new time slot.
ReplyDeletei hope to change days of ouat
ReplyDeleteTerrible moves for the most part. Or should I say, terrible non-moves for the most part. Again, ABC was content in simply plugging holes of failed shows with new show most likely bound to fail as well. Whatever, they're ridiculous and deserve all the problems they have, I just feel sorry for their shows. The only move they did make was a stupid one because they are risking hurting Revenge even further by subjecting it to a lower viewed hour and a most likely lower rated lead-in. Also, sure, let's use Trophy Wife and its 1.0 ratings to lead not to one, but to two new shows. Let's also keep premiering adult oriented comedy after MF when everything else on the network is a family comedy. Sure, why not? They are ridiculous, period. I am only happy with my beloved Suburgatory getting back where it belongs. Other than that, this stinks.
ReplyDeleteWhy the hell is Grey's having a long hiatus?
ReplyDeleteRevenge is going to be cancelled. I don't like this new time slot.
ReplyDeleteOf all the things they could've done with Revenge, they chose to move it to Sunday at 10pm? Seriously? TBH, I once suggested that myself, but I've since come to realize that Thursday or Wednesday at 10pm are better options. And if we thought OUaT was an incompatible lead-in, now Revenge has what's probably another DoA new show as its lead-in. Killer.
ReplyDeleteI guess at least it's safe from The Walking Dead now.
Wow, you are so right about Revenge and Mixology after Modern Family. It absolutely makes no sense. Ugh, I'm so sick of ABC at this point. Revenge deserves better than this stupid network.
ReplyDeleteI think The Good Wife hurt Revenge too so it's maybe a good news for the show ( and the good wife ).
ReplyDeleteBy the way, this is how I would have done it:
ReplyDeleteSunday
Wipeout
The Quest
Wife Swap
Monday
The Bachelor /DWTS
The Bachelor /DWTS
Mind Games/ Castle
Tuesday
The Goldbergs/ OUAT
The Goldbergs /OUAT (Two hour premiere)
Agents of Shield
Ressurection
Wednesday
The Middle
Suburgatory
Modern Family
Trophy Wife
Killer Women/ Nashville
Thursday
The Taste / Grey's Anatomy
The Taste/ Scandal
The Taste/ Revenge
Friday
Last Man Standing
The Neighbors
Shark Tank
20/20
Maybe, but I think moving to a lower viewed hour and, especially, airing a likelier lower rated and more incompatible lead-in will kill the show definitely. I hate ABC with passion, it's not even funny. Networks like NBC or the CW honestly struggle because they lack the proper materials to make it work, but ABC is just dumb with the schedule and ruin whatever good products they have, it's frustrating.
ReplyDeleteAs it stands, it is in no danger whatsoever. If it goes below 1.0 regularly and the rest of ABC line up holds up, it could very well be cancelled, yes, and the below 1.0 thing is a very real possibility in that slot if Ressurection flops.
ReplyDeleteThat's why ABC has a lot of shows that are sinking, especially this season.
ReplyDeleteI love your scheduled
ReplyDeleteTwo reasons:
ReplyDelete- Scandal is having one to benefit its serialization storytelling and ABC airs Grey's/Scandal as a block. It wouldn't benefit either show to air without the other - it would be a waste
- It avoids having Grey's (and Scandal) going up against the Olympics in February.
Thanks. I also love my own schedule lol. Too bad ABC's looks so different. I can't believe what they are doing, it's unreal.
ReplyDeleteI think it will hurt it a lot to be honest .
ReplyDeleteabc cannot be serious why move it to the deathslot? if abc cancels revenge because of the stupid decision they made then i'm officially done with this network and the only thing i will watch from abc is once upon a time
ReplyDeleteSuburgatory is the only happy portion of this schedule. It's one of my favorite comedies ever, so I am glad it's being given a fair shot on Wednesdays. Hopefully it doesn't have to air in a lot of repeat nights this year and hopefully syndicaiton kicks in for the middle this year and suburgatory can benefit.
ReplyDeleteThey are ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteThis is a perfect schedule and the only one that makes sense. They should fire Paul Lee and make you the new ABC president.
ReplyDeleteits only a season away from syndication so its unlikely to be cancelled at the end of this current season
ReplyDeletei know i'm just so furious right now why move it?
ReplyDeleteAlso, the article should be renamed to "ABC announces its mid season NON-changes" since they seem content on simply letting shows remain in bad situations, throwing new shows to bad situations or correcting bad situatons to even worse situations. Well done.
ReplyDeleteThey should have moved it, but not there. Grr, I am so angry.
ReplyDeletePaul Lee needs to be fired. It's crazy what that man does to its own shows.
ReplyDeleteI am actually surprised that they haven't decided to throw Scandal to the Sunday mess.
ReplyDeleteThe Middle's already in syndication - Repeats are airing on ABC Family now.
ReplyDeleteI can't even begin to explain how royally pissed I am about Revenge. Like, I am screaming in my head so loudly in public.
ReplyDeleteSuburgatory is coming back to Wednesdays, which I'm excited about! Thank goodness it wasn't dumped on Fridays. I hope The Neighbors would get cancelled already! It only had a 0.85 rating in its previous episode!
ReplyDeleteRight,i forgot about the Olympics..makes sense.
ReplyDeleteI've said it once and will say it again: Lee's only good call was nurture Scandal into the mega hit it is now. That's all.
ReplyDeleteOh I know. But hopefully it is able to bounce back later in the year due to additional syndication exposure (a la Castle last year)
ReplyDeleteI love The Neighbors too, it's one of the most hilarious comedies ever IMO but I understand it's not for everyone, and yes, I think it will be cancelled.
ReplyDeleteI agree. He had other happy accidents, such as picking OUAT and Revenge and letting Shark Tank become king of Fridays, but that's about it. Everything else he has done sucked.
ReplyDeleteit could go either way. OUAT should be a better lead-in to Ressurection than it ever was for Revenge and if Ressurection can manage at least a 1.8-2.0, Revenge (benefitting from the lack of massive competition which was the fan's excuse for the low ratings) should have a fighting chance.
ReplyDeleteNot to mention Resurrection will have to go up against GoT in Revenge's place in the Spring.
ReplyDeleteMe too. I have to work but I am just furious.
ReplyDeleteYes. And part of the Walking dead too. Because Ressurection shouldn't have any common audience with those two monsters... Nah... Our mistake. ABC is so stupid.
ReplyDeleteSadly, he killed Revenge (and is somewhat to blame for OUAT's decline) with that stupid move.
ReplyDeleteHe should have left Revenge at 10 p.m. and get something else to be thrown at the wolves. Although, realistically speaking, Revenge did hold own to it's own ground when it was first moved to Sunday's at 9.
Ah, got it!
ReplyDeleteIt's stupid to throw a new show into a highly competitive spot.
ReplyDeleteThey also threw an established spot and it backfired in their face.
ReplyDeleteI don't understand why you'd put OUAT leading into SHIELD. While both are fantasy-themed series, OUAT skews extremely female while SHIELD skews extremely male.
ReplyDeleteIt wouldn't make much sense, tbh.
i don't understand-when will OUAT premiere in march and in in which timeslot.Btw,whatever hope revenge had left,abc killed it with this scedule!!
ReplyDeleteWhat you said about plugging holes reminded me of The CW and Cult last year. The Tuesday 9pm slot was available after Emily Owens M.D. was cancelled, so what did The CW do? Premiere Cult, a creepy meta mystery/thriller, after HART OF DIXIE, a cutesy romantic comedy. WTF? What possessed them to think that pairing could work? Or did they give up on Cult before it even started and just use it as spackle?
ReplyDeleteIt would've been fairly simple to move BatB to Tuesday 9pm and free the Thursday 9pm slot for Cult. There would'nt have been any risk in that, given that BatB had already failed to capitalize on the post-TVD slot. But nooooo, The CW had to make the changes to the schedule as minimal as possible. If they'd swapped Cult and BatB's slots, it would've actually been a double gain: give Cult a chance, and test BatB's performance when it doesn't have TVD behind it.
Networks are too damn afraid to move anything, as if the schedule is a deck of cards that will immediately collapse. They need to realize that sometimes, the biggest risk is better than doing nothing because at least then there's CHANCE that things will change. When things are bad and you refuse to take a chance in order to fix them, you've essentially given up because the situation isn't going to magically resolve itself.
This is even worse, moving Revenge on Sundays was a mistake and that was a sophmore show at the time.
ReplyDeleteRevenge moving to Sunday's wasn't exactly a mistake. It did premiered a tenth below the series premiere with a weaker lead-in (MF's 6.2 to OUAT'S 3.9, IIRC). And it hovered in the 2.2-2.8.
ReplyDeleteWhat killed/put it on life support/whatever Revenge was the poor scheduling and a declining quality, not the move, per se. OUAT suffered from the exact same trouble.
Happy to see Suburgatory back!
ReplyDeletereally wth i still can't believe it, so basically abc just gave revenge the death sentence i say it should be moved to a new network
ReplyDeleteI assume you meant Mixology on Tuesday instead of the Goldbergs twice. Regardless, your Wednesday comedy lineup is exactly what I would have done. Suburgatory is in the right place, but ABC would have been wiser had they put Trophy Wife, which has a full season and is ABC-produced, in a slot where it could gain more exposure and sampling. As intriguing as the idea of Mixology is, it looks simply awful. It will be the latest victim of the post-MF curse (also known as the ABC-can't-schedule-anything-correctly curse).
ReplyDeleteIt would've been better off staying on Wednesdays than having to put up with stiff competition and awards shows.
ReplyDeletemaybe it will hurt maybe it will not
ReplyDeleteThe competition wasn't exactly the trouble. Revenge had no troubles pulling in the 2's even against TWD.
ReplyDeleteSchedule, people!
Since it's not on the list, I'm guessing that OUAT will still return on March 9 at 8 p.m. I think this is just the changes to the already-announced schedule as well as the premieres of shows they hadn't yet announced.
ReplyDeleteSay that if - God forbid - it starts hitting 1.0's when it comes back from midseason.
ReplyDeleteOUAT will remain in its timeslot of Sundays at 8 PM. It will return on March 9th for the second half of its season after going on a winter hiatus, which begins after the final episode of the fall airs on December 15th.
ReplyDeleteThe Assets maybe a limited series, but I have seen no promotion of it from ABC. And then they wonder why their new shows fail.
ReplyDeleteWhen it started on Sundays, but it kept chipping away similar to DH except that had a much bigger audience and the show was already a veteran before it ended.
ReplyDeleteI never even knew it was a scripted series, had to Google it, I assumed it was a reality show ABC needs to get their shit together
ReplyDeleteI don't believe Ressurection can do 1.8-2.0 out of a low 2s (at best) OUAT.
ReplyDeleteI had never heard of it but that's actually of the less worrying parts of their AWFUL schedule IMO.
ReplyDeleteWith this I agree. It's so underrated!
ReplyDeleteRevenge is not dead yet but ABC is certainly not doing it any favours.
ReplyDeleteI think there is a chance it can go sub 1.0 come midseason at 10. If that happens and the rest of ABC lineup is posting about the same average, all bets are off.
ReplyDeleteAnd sadly it wouldn't even be the only show on the network with sub 1.0 numbers if it comes to that.
ReplyDeleteExactly. Regardless, the Sunday idea was not very good to begin with but that's in insight. Two years ago it wasn't as clear as it is today that Sundays were for cable dominance nowadays. I actually think that what doomed Revenge was that DH didn't last for another year. Had it lasted another year ,it would have become clear that Sundays were a bad place to put dramas and I am sure ABC would have protected it as they are doing with Sundays.
ReplyDeleteNo, it didn't keep chipping away, that's a misconception. It only lots its audience after awards season. It was stable before that with no downards trend. I talk about it here: http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/11/rating-analysis-state-of-abc-dramas.html
ReplyDeleteI posted about ABC picking it up back in July (http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/07/the-assets-abc-orders-limited-series.html), but after that there's has been no news about it. I thought maybe it was for the summer.
ReplyDeleteAlso not surprised since Trophy Wife runs an almost zero marketing
ReplyDeleteABC may have just assured this Is revenge's last season.
ReplyDeleteI liked having Once upon a Time and revenge back to back.That was only time i ever watched 2 shows back to back.
No, I meant double episodes of The Goldbergs so it can finish its order earlier and free the spot for OUAT. It wouldn't be a dead sentence, the show could still come back next year. Mixology... Personally it was the comedy trailer I liked the most this season but I don't see it ever working on ABC and I don't see room for it on the schedule so I would air it in summer.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't call what Trophy Wife does "running", maybe walking slowly with the help of a cane, lol.
ReplyDeleteDue to syndication, it is bound to get a 4th season, unless the ratings are really really really bad.
ReplyDeleteThere are very few shows on TV that actually skew male. Check this out, it's extremelly well done: http://www.spottedratings.com/search?q=male. There are shows that have more males than others, but apart from animation domination, there are very few shows that actually skew male. Anyway, both shows should have enough compatibility due to the fantasy element and both should appeal to the family audience. Both should also work as solid counterprogramming. I think they would fit. Revenge and OUAT were also a good pairing when both had good ratings and that's a fair stranger pairing IMO.
ReplyDeleteRevenge is late night show now :(
ReplyDeletePeople said that about Nikita,and It only got 6 episodes for a final season and that was only because of the CW deal with Netflix.This Is ABC.They will axe a show very quickly.SUnday at 10/9 Is death sentence for shows.
ReplyDeleteBack then I thought the same but I am not 100% convinced that the CW had totally given up on Cult and was only airing it because they had already paid for it anyway. So I don't really hold it against them. They had a free slot in their schedule and had a DOA show that they still wanted to air so they just put it there. I think the cw is not so bad when it comes to this. It has more than willingness to move its shows around as need be (seeing for instance for putting TO leading a night away from TVD). FOX usually also isn't afraid of moves. Hell, even CBS does them when needs be (they did try Golden Boy by putting it on Tuesdays last year, they did expand the comedies this year, etc.). ABC for me is the worst of them all. They just plug holes. Over and over and over again. It's horrible.
ReplyDeleteA cane that they picked up from the ground, left by ABC for them to find. Kinda sad
ReplyDeleteI had not heard of the show at all before this. Limited series, the race to find CIA mole Aldrich Ames, actually sounds interesting.
ReplyDeleteThere is a very good chance relative ratings get very very very bad at 10 if Resurrection flops. All bets are off if that happens.
ReplyDeleteI've wanted to try it out since premiere but hadn't had time, having caught up with Grimm, I'm deciding which show to catch up with next, either this or The Good Wife
ReplyDeleteAt the current 75%/80% ratings level, there is no chance that Revenge is axed. No chance at all. If it goes to 50%, then that's another conversation.
ReplyDeleteI like both. But it's apples and oranges, really, I can't advise you on one or the other. The Good Wife is an excellent drama, Suburgatory is an excellent dramedy. Suburgatory is not the type of comedy that makes you laugh out loud all the time, but it has a lot of heart and they know how to do drama-ish as well. It's the perfect blend for me. But again very different styles. Ideally I would recommend you to do both if you have the time ;)
ReplyDeleteRevenge...That's wha'ts coming to ABC if they keep up with this nonsense!
ReplyDeleteSeriously , it has to be a mistake right? Or do they want to punish someone from the Revenge crew?
I was so annoyed when it was bumped to mid-season, ABC always treat their best comedies badly but happy it is back and wondering how it will be now they streamlined the cast a bit.
ReplyDeleteABC at least decided to not debut Resurrection at 10pm on Sunday, which would have made zero sense. If it tanks, which I have a feeling that it will, than they can move Revenge back to 9.
ReplyDeletePeople are saying that this is a good thing because at 10 p.m, there is no competition in the slot except for The Mentalist, it was on at 10 p.m in it's first season, it has an established fan base and they will follow it, and they can watch it live after they finish watching The Walking Dead/Game of Thrones. What do you think of that?
ReplyDeleteI think it will help, considering it won't be up against so much competition. Besides, Revenge was a 10PM show to begin with, I think it can handle the timeslot, or at least deliver the same ratings it does right now
ReplyDeleteI like comedies with heart, makes it more relatable. I'm a fan of different types of comedies and I'm really enjoying the The Neighbors this season. Well I do plan on watching both but not at the same time, its just a matter of which first. Probably Suburgatory though since it has less seasons and comedies are faster to watch plus just googled it and its from the same creator of As Told By Ginger which I truly love so I guess I'm gonna be in for a ride
ReplyDeleteI think people are underestimating the importance of a lead-in for a 10pm show. I pray to be wrong though...
ReplyDeleteI think that will probably happen yes.
ReplyDeleteThis is what ABC should have done
ReplyDeleteSadly it hasn't recovered except for a few upticks here and there.
ReplyDeleteWhich episode of "Revenge" is the last one before the break?
ReplyDeleteI think people are underestimating the importance of lead-ins for 10pm show.
ReplyDeleteDuring the last two seasons, there are four shows that are regularly able to beat its lead-ins at 10: Scandal (out of Grey's), Chicago Fire (out of SVU) and Castle (out of DWTS) and Parenthood (out of The Michael J.Fox Show and out of The New Normal). Are we ready to believe Revenge will be one of these shows if Ressurection flops?
I think Ressurection, a fantasy show will be tremendously hurt by the likes of TWD and GOT but maybe that's just me. So Revenge will be hurt too. It depends on Ressurection does but I think that it will go like this:
- OUAT: 1.7-2.3 range
- Ressurection: 1.2-1.5 range
- Revenge: 0.8-1.3 range
I hope to be wrong and at this point, there is no way of knowing how big the competition effect really is for Revenge, so we have to wait and see whether it's lead-in>competition or competition>lead-in.
I will miss Noah but I don't mind the streamlining as much as some people, I want more focus on the three main families.
ReplyDeleteI also love the Neighbors! So sad that it's doing so poorly. I laugh out loud with that one ALL the time, it's incredible!
ReplyDeleteIMO, lead-in importance > competition importance for a 10pm show on Sunday. But we shall see... I hope to be wrong.
ReplyDeleteEpisode 10 "Exodus" will air on December 15th then it will come back on March 9th to air 12 new episodes.
ReplyDeleteBut WOULD it have been DoA if it had premiered after TVD instead? Given how badly it did, I don't think it would've been a hit in any case, but they had a way to give the show a fighting chance and didn't bother. That's too much conservatism when it comes to scheduling, in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteI do give them credit for having quickly moved Nikita from Friday 9pm back to 8pm last season. I shudder to even think what numbers it would've been pulling had it stayed in the 9pm slot all year. It could've been horrible enough for them to pull it off the schedule and burn off the remaining episodes in the summer, as they did with the aforementioned Cult.
I think that 1.3 was its bottom. I don't think it could go lower than that. I hope. I pray.
ReplyDeleteRevenge is getting too good for those numbers.
Revenge is in its 3rd season and should have a loyal fanbase by now. I think the 10PM hour can be better for it as the expectations at this hour are lower. Also, Resurrection is the new ABC show I'm looking forward to the most right now, so here's hoping it does okayish in the ratings and provides an okayish lead-in.
ReplyDeleteNo, it will return in January for 3 more episode (3.11 to 3.13) and then will be back on March 9.
ReplyDeleteIt will return in March with Episode 3.14
ReplyDeleteReally? Where did you read that?
ReplyDeleteAre you serious ??? Where did you see that ?
ReplyDeleteStupid Move ABC. Mind Games needs more exposure. The show is created by Kyle Killen (the mastermind behind the critically acclaimed and DOA "Lone Star" and "Awake"). I think the show is going to have critical acclaim.
ReplyDeleteNo, only 12 episodes.
ReplyDeleteIs that really confirmed?
ReplyDeleteI thought season 3 was 24 episodes?
ReplyDeleteABC isn't exactly doing so well, so it could go either way. Not to mention those shows were cancelled after only 1 season.
ReplyDelete#SaveRevenge is coming.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it will work like that. But maybe I am pessimistic. We shall see.
ReplyDeleteI think it will certainly go lower than that in the spring, especially at 10pm. I expect it to hit a 1.0 at some point, if not lower. It had 1.1 halves already.
ReplyDeleteIf a network really doesn't believe in a show it has, then they just burn it off somewhere or don't air it at all. There are multiple examples. Save Me, The Goodwin Games, Cult, Friend Me, etc etc. Friend Me didn't even air, Save Me and The Goodwin Games had summer burn-offs and Cult had an in-season burn-off. The only difference was that Cult go to air in-season because the CW bothered to do so since it needed to put something in its Tuesday 9pm slot. NBC and FOX could also have found room on its struggling comedy front for TGG and SM but they didn't even bothered. But really, all situations are the same, simple burn offs. In situations like this, I don't burn the networks to be honest, it is what it is and if they realize a show is too weak to be able to hit, then that's just how it is.
ReplyDeleteAt that point last year, I am sure they had already realized that they were stuck with Beauty for at least one more year because 90210 could not be brought back with those ratings and Emily Owens was DOA. Therefore, it made sense that they opted to maximize the ratings of Beauty for as long as they could. Had they moved it to Tuesdays and had them have it pulling 0.4s by then, the only thing they would achieve would be to have advertisers less willing to pay for the show this season, and they knew they would need it back. Sometimes, these types of considerations matter and it's not all about the show's true strength.
Nope. Once Upon A Time, Revenge and Scandal have both only 22 episodes.
ReplyDeleteI always thought trophy wife or the goldbergs should've been behind Modern Family. it would have made a lot more sense....
ReplyDeletei really hope revenge 10PM on sundays will not mean the demise of emily thorne and her revengenda. :(
Not according to this article. It says "two cycles of 12 episodes would bring the total orders for the shows to 24". http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/05/ouat-revenge-greys-and-scandal-to-air.html?m=1
ReplyDeletehttp://www.tvguide.com/News/Revenge-Spoilers-Midseason-1073555.aspx
ReplyDeletehere: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Revenge-Spoilers-Midseason-1073555.aspx
ReplyDeleteTV Guide: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Revenge-Spoilers-Midseason-1073555.aspx
ReplyDeleteSafe to say Revenge won't be getting a third season (which is a big shame)
ReplyDeleteRevenge is more than likely to get a 4th Season due to syndication.
ReplyDeleteIf ABC did a schedule like that, they would have to run a ton of promos advertising all those changes plus some for the new shows. I don't know their budget but I highly doubt that it would be enough for effective advertising.
ReplyDeleteAlso I think I read somewhere that Mind Games has 13 episodes so it can't share the Castle timeslot.
Thanks Babar ;)
ReplyDeleteThank you, I was expecting Episode 9 be the last one before the break but it is good it will last until the 11th episode or 13th episode as Babar mentioned above.
ReplyDeleteYou are welcome.
ReplyDeleteThanks for that, I was not aware.
ReplyDeleteThe only shows I am moving are Revenge, OUAT and Trophy Wife. Everything else is staying put, except for Grey's and Scandal which are sliding back an hour but that is barely a major move as it would be within the same day. I don't think that' a lot of moves at all. The new shows you would always have to promote.
ReplyDeleteHm... Fair point about Mind Games.
No. Revenge, right now, is still certain to be renewed. It's at 80% of ABC's drama average and has syndication on its side. If it does goes sub 1 while the rest of ABC drama average remains more or less where it is and scores about 50-60% of ABC's drama average then it would be a bubble show. The only safe thing to say is that it is not safe to say it won't get a third season.
ReplyDeleteI guess it goes down to considerations that only people in the industry are familiar with, but I'll never for the life of me understand how a network can order a pilot to series and then decide a few months later that the show doesn't actually stand a chance. Sometimes circumstances change, making the show's prospects much less promising, but that can't be the case most of the time. So ordering 13 episodes of Cult and then deciding to burn it off in a terrible slot leaves me completely befuddled. Was their pilot season so dreadful as to have to pick up an *obviously* DoA show just to fill all the slots with original programming?
ReplyDeleteWhat was Revenge's lead-in during its first season?
ReplyDeleteStop with the fan excuse bingo! If Revenge falters even more, it's the show's fault and not the timeslot. Sorry to be harsh with you but I need to cajole you out of your delusions!
ReplyDeleteSomeone needs to make a manip of Emily preparing to cross off the ABC logo with her red sharpie.
ReplyDeleteOh, I see. That certainly would be possible since it pretty clearly isn't lead-in dependent on Agents of SHIELD. Personally I wouldn't move OUAT midseason, but I could see it moving to another night at the beginning of next season if ABC abandons serials on Sunday in favor of reality (ABC will never do this though).
ReplyDeleteThis isn't TVbtN, so using the term "fan excuse bingo" just makes you look obnoxious, buddy.
ReplyDeleteWhat's delusional is thinking that quality alone determines TV shows' performance and therefore their longevity. It's common knowledge that brilliant shows get the axe all the time, sometimes very quickly, while utter garbage (two words: reality TV) can last years upon years. It merely depends on what people watch de facto, not what they think is quality television.
Certainly, quality plays a part in ratings. When a show gets worse and worse, viewers are likely to jump ship. However, promotion and scheduling by the network are just as critical, probably more. If I get off work late on a certain day and arrive home exhausted, I'm going to DVR a show, even if I absolutely love it. On the other hand, when I have some free time, I might watch something that I consider entertaining but ultimately pure dreck. The vast majority of people don't have the luxury of organizing their schedule according to their TV viewing habits.
Bitch, don't come for me if I didn't send for you, mmkay?
ReplyDeleteIts awful what they're doing with Revenge! Shame international ratings doesn't count, Revenge its the 7th most watched show on cable television here in Brazil... My favorite show , and basically only one since I don't have the habit of watch soaps or series, in this situation.
ReplyDeleteSorry for any grammatical mistakes, I just had to let it out and you guys here seem more respectful.
They may not be major moves but they still need to be advertised alongside Shield, the new shows and an entire new Sunday night. Also moving Revenge behind Scandal would mean moving it again next fall as I don't see ABC wasting that lead-in for a show that's going to end in a year.
ReplyDeleteabc has done everything in its power to kill revenge
ReplyDelete1) moved it to one of the toughest timeslots
2) fired its showrunner
3) barely promotes it
4) finally moves it AGAIN to the deathslot
Sad that they didn't move Goldbergs, Trophy Wife, or both to Wednesdays.
ReplyDeleteResurrection seems to get the most buzz out of all the new shows from ABC. It's apparently very similar to the French show, "Les Revenants ".
ReplyDeleteMixology gets no pun intended, "mixed" reviews. For a comedy, it's a different "concept" comedy a la How I Met Your Mother.
NBC has their hit The Blacklist, Fox somewhat has it with Sleepy Hollow, CBS has well, not sure about that. CW can be satisfied with The Originals.
Maybe Mixology or Resurrection will be the savior of this season for ABC?
this si going to be bad for Revenge that`s a sure
ReplyDeleteWow, rude?
ReplyDeleteYeah I mean I love Alan Tudyk but the character wasn't essential to the show
ReplyDeleteI realize that but I think certain moves really had to happen. My schedule is the perfect version of what I think should happen. But some lighter version of that I would be fine with. Stuff like moving Revenge to Thursdays at 10 I think is essential for them since they are stuck with the show for at least one more year, so they might as well maximize its ratings now. I wouldn't mind them doing Shield/OUAT/Ressurection to avoid moving Shield and The Goldbergs for instance. That's less promotion right there. But c'mon, they are going to throw all that promotion money away with Mind Games and Killer Women and there is a very little chance of any of them working against established 10pm shows like CF and POI and airing out of a 1.0ish lead-in and we both know that. They would be better off using that promotional money elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteI agree that ABC will never abandon serials on Sundays, unfortunately.
ReplyDeleteExcuse me, but how is it the show's fault when the show was pulling perfectly good ratings before ABC screwed up with it? There was no downwards trend whatsoever last fall and the only reason why the show found itself in this predicament was because ABC had it airing against awards season last year. I wrote extensively about it here ( http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/11/ratings-analysis-abc-sundays.html), all the evidence supports this! Sure, the show is no DH mega hit that can take hits like that and recover, I will give you that, but honestly, which shows are nowadays? ABC asked more of the show than it could deliver and that's ABC's fault. I acknowledge that probably recovery would have been smoother last year had people been happier with the season but the damage would still be pretty big anyway. Even this year, the show didn't even establish in a level that much lower from its premiere. Mostly all shows, especially ABC serialized ones where you build up hype for the premiere (except Castle since it's procedural) have had sharp post premiere declines this year, Revenge's decline is in line with them so it's not even that the show is declining too much this year. It's a problem related to what happened last year and ABC is doing nothing to repair it. It's only making it worse .
ReplyDeleteHappy Endings in fall/winter and Apartment 23 in spring. HE was very high rated back then though due to the MF lead-in (it was pulling mostly high 2s to medium 3s) giving Revenge a sizable lead-in. Apartment 23 was lower rated in the spring and Revenge actually outrated it twice by 0.1 and did mange to hold its entire 2.4 audience in finale night. I am not sure we can extrapolate anything from here though...
ReplyDeleteI don't think it's that surprising and I am actually surprised it doesn't happen more often. A show can have a great pilot and concept but then it turns out that it is not feasible for a weekly series and that the plot cannot sustain itself. I am sure they didn't think the show was DOA when they developed and picked it, they just realized it was later on when it was too late. Whether it was because they realize the show sucked (and here I think critical reception can maybe play a small part) or because they realized there was no feasible audience for it (I suspect it was actually this, which is very stupid, since they teach us at business school from the get go how important marketing studies are, but whatever) we don't know for sure, but the end result was the same.
ReplyDeleteOkay, this does make more sense. I guess sometimes they just pick the wrong pilots, and realize it after episodes had already been produced, forcing them to burn it off or even cancel without actually airing it. I'm guessing they lose money when that happens, though, because they've already paid the studio for the ordered episodes. At most, production can be halted when they announce the cancellation, but the episodes that had been produced up to that point have to be paid for.
ReplyDeleteYes, absolutely, they loose money. But that's a sunk cost (financial jargon lol) at that point. Put it this way. Once they realize they have nowhere to go with the show they can either:
ReplyDelete- have a total cost with it of: production cost for the episodes produced (let's call it A)
- have a total cost with it of: production cost for the episodes produced (A) + serious marketing costs (B) + opportunity costs of moved shows [what they would loose for moving other shows around to accommodate a DOA show... in this case, what they would lose in revenues from BATB last year and especially this year] (C)
Obviously, A+B+C>A, so they're better of simply sticking with A. Did this make sense?
It did. :)
ReplyDeleteThere's a certain psychological inclination to stick with something that's failed because we've already invested time and energy in it. We feel we need to justify the investment in it, because if we give up, it was all for nothing. However, this is irrational thinking because continuing to stick with it just means further loss. In that sense, networks that realize they've picked up a DoA show are ill-advised to try to save face: give it a good slot, promote it and try make it succeed. It's unlikely to happen and will only waste further resources. It's best to concede the mistake and cancel/burn off the show.
An example from everyday life: if I've been waiting on the line 30 minutes for customer service, I should hang up instead of wasting even more time because I don't want those 30 minutes to have been for nothing. ;)
Exactly, that was my point entirely. This concept often comes up in a business context and networks are nothing more than a type of business context, so yeah ;)
ReplyDeleteNeither POI and CF are powerhouses. They averages somewhere between 1.9 and 2.2 so a new show can certainly succeed in that timeslot. Will it be Killer Women or Mind Games? I don't know but given how poorly their serialized dramas repeat, they need to find a procedural that works. I think Mind Games is one though I'm not a 100% sure and of course Killer Women is. If either one can manage to average at least a 1.6, that's a win for ABC. So yeah they should spend money promoting them.
ReplyDeleteAs for Revenge, wasting a timeslot that could possible help a new show to maximize the ratings for a show ending in a year seems counterproductive to me. That move only benefits Revenge not ABC on a whole. Scandal is their Number one drama right now but there's no telling how long that will last. They need to use that show and Grey's to possible launch new hits.
The one thing I do wonder is why the show dropped so significantly from the Season 3 premiere to episode 2. I do think 3x01 was one of the weaker episodes this season (I didn't like the 6-month jump and how they retconned/erased all the previous plots because fans hated Season 2), but starting with 2.3 and *immediately* dropping to mid-to-high 1's is puzzling. I don't know why so many people bailed after the premiere.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it's puzzling. Here, ABC dramas post-premiere drops this season (from episode 1 to episode 2 and from episode 1 to episode 3)
ReplyDelete- Castle(but remember this is a procedural, it doesn't follow the same patterns as serials in which hype is built during summer for premieres): 0, -0.3
- Agents of Shield: -1.4, -1.8
- Lucky 7: -0.6, NA
- Nashville: -0,1. -0.4
- Grey's Anatomy: -0,3, -0.6
- Scandal: -0,5, -0.3
- OUAT: 0, -0.2
- Revenge: -0.4, -0.7
- Betrayal: -0.4, -0.7
It's level of post-premiere decline is in line with most ABC dramas, even if you exclude the non comparables Shield and Castle. It's in line with GA, Nashville, Lucky 7 and Betrayal. Scandal looks better than it was in reality here because it spiked for episode 3, if you consider episode 2 or 4 it's also in line with this for the most part. OUAT was the most strange case holding very well for the first 3 episodes and then falling a lot, but I think that's the odd one, not Revenge.
Also, another way to look at this. Previoys seasons post-premiere drops for Revenge:
- Season 1: -20%, -0.6 (albeit loosing MF as lead-in)
- Season 2: -19%, -0.6
- Season 3: -17%, -0.4
I would be more inclined agreeing with your argument if they were actually using Scandal to launch shows. As it stands, they are keeping it at 10, so how is that a waste of its powerful lead-in? Besides, my argument was that Revenge didn't have to end next year if it was properly nurtured back to better ratings.
ReplyDeleteAlso, which shows is being subject to worst ratings than it will get in the current arrangement to benefit Revenge, other than GA (which you also wanted to move anyway)? I am all for maximizing the shows for the entire network and not for a single show but I fail to see which shows would be worse off in my arrangement other than GA (and certainly Mixology which I would burn off summer).
As for Tuesdays, it's virtually the hour where you find the most competition for an ABC show at 10pm tied with Mondays. There you go, seasonal averages so far:
- Monday: 4.4 (Hostages+ The Blacklist)
- Tuesday: 4.4 (POI+CF)
- Wednesday: 3.1 (Ironside+CSI)
- Thursday: 3.1 (Elementary + Parenthood)
- Friday: 2.6 (Dracula+ Blue Bloods)
- Sunday: 2.4 (The Mentalist + Betrayal)
So yeah, you may not want to call Chicago Fire (NBC's #2 scripted show) and POI (CBS's #1 10pm show) powerhouse but you shouldn't certainly overlook them, just ask Lucky 7. Besides, how in the world can a low 1s (at best by spring) lead-in launch anything against established competition?
I guess our disagreement is I don't see Revenge ratings increasing enough to go beyond next year and if ABC had moved it to Thursday 10pm mid-season it would have to move it again in the fall. Ratings tend to be lower in the spring and already hitting a 1.3 does not bode well for its future.
ReplyDeleteAs for moving Grey's and Scandal, I meant next fall seeing as how they're remaining where they're at for the rest of the season. I think and hope ABC will split them up and use both of them as lead-in for new shows.
CF just got a 1.9 with the Voice lead-in and POI got a 2.0 so no matter what number show they are for their respective network, they are not powerhouses. The right show can succeed opposite both shows. And I like I said before, I don't know if Mind Games or Killer Women is that show but I don't see why ABC should throw in the towel especially when they're in need of a procedural.
I say lets all sign a petition for ABC to move revenge in the middle of the week
ReplyDeleteI really wish they would move The Goldbergs to Wed at 8:30 and put Suburgatory at 9:30. Then their Wed night comedy schedule would be perfect.
ReplyDeleteMaybe even give The Neighbors a chance on Tuesdays instead of Friday. I kinda like that one, but I'm not usually home Friday evenings, so I've been watching online instead.