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The Walking Dead - Isolation - Review and Discussion

Oct 28, 2013

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“You know you do a lot for us. For the kids. You sacrifice a lot. Is there anything you wouldn’t do for the people here?” - Rick to Carol

Rick’s quote seemed to sum up the theme of this week’s episode of The Walking Dead, as the show took a step back from the suspenseful pace of the outbreak making it's way inside the prison walls, but instead focused on the choices individuals made following that outbreak.

Choices of two characters in particular were in focus and stood as a contrast to each other: Carol, at present the only mother figure in the group, and Hershel, the wise elder of the group. Both would do anything for the group, but both responded to the outbreak in very different ways.

Carol

I had suggested in last week’s review that Mika’s quote, “She’s messed up. She’s not weak,” fit the old Carol. In light of recent events, it appears that the quote applies to the new Carol even better. In a revelation that I certainly didn’t see coming, we learned that Carol was the person who had killed and burned Karen and David, presumably to try to stem the flu before it became an epidemic. She admitted as much when Rick asked her.

In Carol, we’ve seen a woman pushed to her limits - one who has been hardened not just by the zombie outbreak, but by the death of her daughter, and the years of abuse prior to that. She is a woman who cares deeply for the group and has become a sort of mother figure.  She will do whatever it takes to help the group survive without flinching. She’s not without guilt for what she feels she’s had to do. When Tyreese thanked her for caring for Sasha and the group, Carol breaks down. But at the same time, when Rick asks her if she killed Karen and David, she doesn’t hesitate in saying she did. I think we first saw a glimpse of this cold streak in Carol last season when she advised Andrea to have sex with the Governor and then kill him in his sleep.

Carol has in the past questioned Rick’s leadership during the times he seemed indecisive and the group was in danger. In the season 2 finale, she urged Daryl to step up as a new leader in Rick’s place. Carol is a leader now too as part of the council, and Rick’s and Carol’s leadership decisions were again in conflict in this episode, as Rick still hesitates in taking back his gun and facing danger. Whereas Carol, the pragmatist, wanted to deal with clearing the water lines outside the fences right away, knowing they might be too sick for it tomorrow, Rick wanted to avoid it. In the end, instead of following Rick’s lead, Carol went out on her own and seemed unfazed by the danger she had put herself in as zombies wandered around her.

In a way, the new Carol is reminding me a bit of Shane – both felt they needed to make the hard decisions that Rick was unwilling to make.

Hershel

Hershel has held on to his principals longer than most in the group – except for maybe Dale and Andrea - and has lately become a sort of spiritual elder of the group who is there to offer wisdom and counsel to others when they reach the point of breaking. He’s served in this role multiple times for Rick, and in this episode we saw him doing the same with Carl and Glenn, as well as again for Rick.

With Carl, we had a nice scene between Hershel and Carl as their roles of elder and child were reestablished. Carl, the little man-child who has grown up far too fast, tells Hershel he can’t let Hershel go outside the fences. “Let me?” Hershel responds, reminding us that Hershel is in fact the elder of these two. When they’re out in the woods, they come across a couple of walkers that are slow and not much of a threat. As Carl is about to shoot, Hershel cautions him on restraint: “Don’t, you don’t need to.”

With Glenn, Hershel stays with his son-in-law and comforts him as Glenn is at the point of losing hope. Hershel tells him, “We got this far somehow. You can believe somehow. We all have jobs here. That one’s yours.”

And finally, when Rick admits reluctance to go to a council meeting for fear of doing more damage, Hershel appeals to his sense of duty as he tells him that when he fell off the wagon, he got back right back because he had “people to keep safe.”

Unlike Carol, who responded to the outbreak with murder, Hershel responds by sacrificing himself to extend the lives of others, including his daughter’s husband, and to give comfort to the sick.

He tells Rick and Maggie: “There’s so many times we haven’t been able to do anything to change what was happening, what was happening to us. We wished we could, but we couldn’t. This time I can. I know I can, so I have to … You step outside, you risk your life. You take a drink of water, you risk your life. And now-a-days, you breath, you risk your life. Every moment now, you don’t have a choice. The only thing you can choose is what you’re risking it for. Now I can make these people feel better, and hang on a little longer. I can save lives. That’s reason enough to risk mine. And you know that.”

Other thoughts:

 - Rick will be torn between his former role as a sheriff and his desire to protect his friend, Carol. Tyreese played on Rick’s identity as a “cop” as Tyreese, Rick and Carol were standing over the burned bodies of Karen and David. Tyreese demands that Rick find the person responsible and bring them – not to justice – but “to me.” Tyreese’s interesting word choice raises the question what role justice plays in the new world they live in. Is Rick still expected to act as a sheriff if the society he served no longer functions?
- The show opens with Glenn and Maggie digging graves. How many scenes are we going to see of someone digging graves? The scene sets the tone for what will be a heartwrenching episode.
- Responding to a comment that the flu kills you, Hershel says: “The illness doesn’t, the symptoms do.” This seems like a microcosm of the larger zombie epidemic and the dangers from other men the survivors now face.
- Hershel: “Everything we’ve been working so hard to keep out, it found its way in.” Rick: “No, it’s always there.”
- A painting behind Hershel in the office reads, “Smooth seas do not make good sailors.” Appropriate for an episode in which the group is tested again.

So what do you think will happen with Carol? Do you think the rest of the group will learn what she did, or will Rick and Carol both stay silent? I hate to say it, but this felt like an ending episode for Hershel. Do you think we’ll lose Hershel soon too?

Just a note – I’m not sure if I will be able to do a review for next week. If I do, it may be very late.

44 comments:

  1. I personally hope it turns out Carol killed the two AFTER they have already turned. Otherwise it feels like an original female character (coincidence?) is portrayed as losing it slowly and probably turning in the wrong direction.

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  2. I don't think that's what happened though. Rick asked Carol if she "killed" Karen and David, not if she had burned them. If they were already dead, she wouldn't have answered "yes" without further elaboration. That's my interpretation anyway.

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  3. Kinda sad Carol is turning down the wrong path, hopefully we get more of an explanation next week. She's one of my favs, and infection or not, you can't just kill and burn two innocent and defenseless people in my books. But I think there will be more to the story.

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  4. I think it's going to be interesting to see how the group deals with this if what happened is revealed to everyone. The old system of deciding justice is gone. We have Tyreese on one side who wants vengeance, but Carol is considered family by the inner group of survivors, and people who remember Sophia will be more understanding and will want to pardon her.

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  5. Yet if she'd allowed Karen and David to live, there would be a chance they'd be saved by the drugs Daryl and Michonne are bringing back. It was a reckless act.

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  6. I agree with what you're saying, but I can see both sides. The thinking on the other side is that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Had no one done anything, and the outbreak been allowed to spread, then the argument would have been their actions were reckless in not containing the virus when they had a chance.

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  7. Thing is: Rick knew it was her, he was only waiting for confirmation on it. I don't know if he was expecting for her to lie or if he just wanted for Carol to excuse herself, but It reminds me of Lori and his plan to keep her safe to see what would happen next.


    Now, Rick is trying to keep Carol safe, perhaps since the moment he started beating Tyreese for it. And no one really knows what could happen next.

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  8. I feel like the idea of "morality" in TWD reality has been completely bent and twisted due to the extremity of their situation. Based upon our current societal structure, what Carol did would be called "murder" and punished as a heinous crime. But in TWD's universe, it's at least possible to understand the reasoning behind it -- sacrifice two against a fast-moving sickness to preserve the rest of the group. In the close-quarters reality of the prison -- devoid of basic sanitation, proper nutrition and life-saving medications, surrounded by decay -- even a "glorified cold" can sweep through the ranks like The Plague. Carol's violent reaction when she was told others had become sick (and especially when asked to "watch over" Sasha) tells me that her humanity is still pretty intact -- she simply took what she saw as swift, decisive, merciless action to protect the larger prison family like a Mama Grizzly. The question I have is which set of "morals" the group -- and the audience -- will use to judge her.

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  9. Great Review! I didn't even think about Hershel and it being his last episode. That makes sense since in the past they show characters doing something righteous right before they off them. I hope they don't but anything is possible now. If I had to guess now which main character would be gone by the mid-season finale I would say Hershel or Carol


    -George

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  10. Mama Grizzly is the perfect description. I agree with everything you wrote here. This situation really sets up a good platform for testing their new community structure and examining these questions you raise - mainly which set of "morals" the group decides to adopt.

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  11. I really hope I'm wrong on this. I love Hershel and think if they kill him off it will leave a void. Someone has to speak for the spiritual side. I've been conditioned by too much TV to expect that a character-centric focus, which seems to close off a character's arc, will be immediately followed by the character's death, but I'm hoping I'm wrong. Glad you enjoyed the review.

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  12. I so agree that losing Hershel would leave a MAJOR void! What Hershel did was so selfless and full of purpose -- but what a gut-punch. Unless he's got some sort of super-immunity, that Dr. S. coughing scene pretty much sealed the deal. And I feel like the way they framed Hershel with Glen, in dark silhouette as he shared words of wisdom, seemed almost like a passing-of-the-torch moment. I feel just as crummy as I did when I realized Dale might be on his way out. In many ways, both he and Hershel seemed to represent the only truly calming, wise "voices of humanity" on the show -- trusted father figures.

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  13. I'd like to know what I missed that Rick found that led him to carol as the killer.

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  14. re-watching it, it was two separate occasions.
    First, when she and rick are watching Ty dig, and she says to him that he should talk to Tyresse, he replays something like "we should both pay our respects" and she evades the moment saying she'll carry the buckets first and talk to him later. He takes a second look at her, like knowing something's not right or that it's not typical Carol behavior.
    And then, while inspecting the door. He compares the size of the hand that dragged the bodies, it's smaller but strong enough to drag both of the bodies. I think that's the moment he connects the dots but he's not 100% sure. But after the whole trip for fixing the water supply outside, he realizes that Carol is definitely more in "act now, think later" mode, and it clicks. that's what i think at least.

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  15. I concur. Rick seems to be in detective mode when he's looking at the door, and something clicks. It makes sense that the other two incidents would strengthen this conclusion.

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  16. I also saw saw the scene between Hershel and Glenn, as well as his scenes with Rick and Carl, as passing the torch.

    I still miss Dale at times. With Rick still in conflict, there seems to be a need for someone to pull him in the direction of his principles.

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  17. Great review. I thought this episode was awesome. Only a show as deep and complex as TWD can take a character like the Carol we met in season 1 and evolving her in such an organic way for her to do this. I love how the show does that and how morals are so messed up on the show now that what she did is truly dubious but not obviously wrong. I think Rick will be the audience in the next episode and struggle with that himself.

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  18. I agree. I would also add that there weren't that many people knowing that they were locked up and that Carol was one of them so that helps to reduce the suspects pool

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  19. I kind of feel that Hershel filled that role. I never even think of Dale to be honest, which is strange. It has been a very long time for me since he had come to my mind.

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  20. I agree with everything you wrote .I think they will use Rick as the voice of the audience that is questioning her at this point. It will be very interesting to see his own conflicts about this. I doubt he can accept either side.

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  21. I think the point is that it is not supposed to be "wrong" anymore, that is what is so messed up about that world. I think it is an excellent conflict.

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  22. I agree. I feel it would be a huge waste of storyline and a cop-out that is not needed at all. Why would Carol hide that she killed two zombies? Everyone would understand her 100%

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  23. If Karen and David had it they were as good as dead; Patrick died overnight and the sleepwalker that used to lock himself in the cell was eating dinner with everybody the day before.


    Even if Daryl and Michonne would find the right drugs, the sick ones would've been dead by the time they get back.

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  24. Question is: Would Karen like to wake up to bit everyone she tried to save from Patrick? Would David or Ben (Lizzi's father)?


    They were not going to be the only one to die should they turn and they all know it. They could've turned while Carol was carrying the bodies and then she would've been the one to turn, not just expose herself to a deadly illness.

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  25. I think Rick knew - or, at least, he suspected of her because of the knife lessons - before Carol tried to clean the water lines. Since he ran to save her life then, I think he has already made up his mind about Carol himself.


    Rick is just scared he's the only one who feels that way about it.

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  26. YES -- I remember after the council discussion thinking "It has to be one of those people" -- just because there was such a small circle that (at that point) knew the full story.

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  27. I agree, it was a selfless act, that's for sure

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  28. I think it will be very interesting to watch Rick's reaction to this

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  29. Totally agree -- I think that's the conflict the entire show sets up, for its characters and (by extension) for us as the audience. Neither end of the argument really feels "right" or "moral" anymore -- it's just people pushed to the very edge of their existence (and sanity, and coping abilities!) acting on personal instinct in many cases. And those instincts collide in all kinds of interesting and disturbing ways. The group dynamic is always shifting.

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  30. I do too - think that Hershel filled the role. Just rereading my previous comment I realized it wasn't very clear. I miss Dale occasionally, just because I miss him, but if they killed off Hershel now that would leave a void of having someone nudge Rick in the direction of his principles.

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  31. Thanks for the comments. This episode was awesome. I love that when I write these reviews, I can always count on there being something in the episode I can dig deeper into. They really don't have filler episodes.

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  32. I really liked Dale's character and was upset to see him go but glad Hershel filled is humanitarian roill. I'm only speculating Hershel's exit but it almost seems like its the writers telling us that hes on his way out - kind of like a send off of sorts when they show Hershel going above and beyond and risking his life for everyone else's.


    ***Spoiler Alert*** for readers of the comic and potentially the show below***


    In the comic the prison story arc was one of my favorites. Kirkman did a phenomenal job telling stories during those issues especially the ones involving The Governor. Even though I typed Spoiler Alert I don't think I should type how he returns or, ummmm, exits. Hershel, along with many other of our beloved do make an exit of some sort but it is told in such a great way in the comic. I don't how they could or if they will for that matter do the same on the show. But, Hershel will definitely be missed and I'm sure someone else will fill his role as the angel on Rick's shoulder and the voice of reason if the writers do get rid of his character. Tyreese in the comic was more of a sounding board to Rick. They were great friends but argued (and punched) a lot, maybe Tyreese could fill that role?

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  33. I agree with you all but I think there is still something missing. I want to say that someone else killed Karen and David but Carol burned the bodies. I'm not saying that is exactly what happened but I think there is more to the story than just "Carol killed them". I am wrong a lot though, so, lol.
    I want to say that Lizzie had something to do with it since she grabbed Carol's knife in Episode 2. Maybe Lizzie killed them and Carol burned them???
    I know Carol has changed a lot since Sophia but to think that she went up to a still living and sick Karen and David and killed them, then dragged both their dead bodies to light on fire and leave there seems a big stretch for her character, don't you think?


    -Geo

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  34. I don't see it as a stretch. She doesn't tend to be the loudest person in the group, but when we've heard her perspective, it's clear she's been hardened by her experiences - not just post zombie apocalypse, but from her years as an abused wife. I think she did what she did to stop the plague. One child got sick, and within 24 hours, I believe they said 12 were dead. She saw herself as doing what needed to be done, but that doesn't mean it wasn't very difficult for her. I think Rick understands by the way he asked the question. He suggested that she would do anything for the group, and that's why she did it.

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  35. I'm not so sure that Hershel may not have some sort of super immunity since he was the one to first mention that this virus could be attacking more of the older teens and twenty/thirty plus year olds. This was mentioned in the episode where the young teen boy died first. I don't see Dr. S surviving though and at this point there is only Hershel as the stand in doctor or the new character, the Army medic guy who went along to get the drugs. If they get the drugs and Hershel gets sick, I would think he would be okay. just like I believe Glenn will be.



    Wow, Hershel also has come a long way from that troubled farmer who was trying to save those walkers way back when! Great character development on an excellent character driven show. :)

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  36. One comment on Tyresse and being attacked by those walkers. How in the heck did he get away from them and not be eaten alive? I know the guy is tough but I thought for sure he was going to be a goner at that point. No bites after that attack?? He was completely surrounded, so either the walkers weren't that hungry or Tyresse has some sort of resistance to the biters that let him get away.

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  37. I so hope you're right about Hershel! He is one of the few tiny lights of reassurance in an otherwise pretty grim reality. I just love his character and totally agree -- he really has evolved quite a bit. I caught some old Season 2 eps awhile back and it was like "wow, who are these people?" :)

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  38. Ha! I had the same thought. There's no way he could have protected himself against all of those sets of teeth coming at him at once.

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  39. Did anyone else notice the filming mistake in the woods when Carl and Hershel are about to exit the woods??? You can clearly see someone behind the double troubled tree. I'm not sure if it's an extra or film crew person or possibly a seen that was not cut properly. It almost looks like a walker. I would never say anything because I've never noticed any mistakes b4 I'm surprised it wasn't edited from final cut. P.S. If Hershel turned would he be called Hershel Walker then ????? ::))

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  40. Completely agree with what you're saying. Hershel's exit would definitely leave a spiritual void - one that could not be filled by any current character. Loved the review, looking forward to your next one.

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  41. I don't think it will be an issue. I don't think Carol really killed them at all. I think she is covering for someone and that someone is Lizzie. We saw Lizzie take that knife from Carol at the fence and we say how upset she was that "they" killed Nick (her pet walker). "They" I believe refers to Karen and David who were at the fence killing walkers daily. Her own sister said she is messed up. Either she saw the opportunity and killed them and Carol caught her or Carol saw them dead, after the fact, and Lizzie left the knife behind. Carol then decided to drag them out and burn them to cover for Lizzie's actions. It just seems to simple for it to be Carol, all neat and tidy, wrapped in a bow in one ep and for it to mean nothing that Lizzie is demented and thinks walkers are people. Also, in the comic there is a demented kid, so that would also make sense. Just my humble opinion, but I hope I'm right because I feel Kirkman owes us for the whole Andrea thing. LOL

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  42. I agree hundred percent, especially the Andrea-part. Your idea sounds like clever writing and I truly hope it plays out this way.

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