Mastodon Mastodon Mastodon Mastodon Mastodon Supernatural - I'm No Angel - Review


    Enable Dark Mode!

  • What's HOT
  • Premiere Calendar
  • Ratings News
  • Movies
  • YouTube Channel
  • Submit Scoop
  • Contact Us
  • Search
  • Privacy Policy
Support SpoilerTV
SpoilerTV.com is now available ad-free to for all premium subscribers. Thank you for considering becoming a SpoilerTV premium member!

SpoilerTV - TV Spoilers

Supernatural - I'm No Angel - Review

Oct 25, 2013

Share on Reddit
My review for this week’s episode, I’m no angel, is mixed. On the one hand, we got some touching character moments with Cas, as well as forward movement in the angel storyline with the news that a group is mobilizing behind Bartholomew, and hints that Ezekiel is hiding from him. On the other hand, while Dean was experiencing a feeling of whiplash from watching Sam instantly transition from Sam to Zeke and back again, I was experiencing a feeling of whiplash trying to make sense of the mythology. April’s an angel. No, she’s a reaper. No, she’s an angel. No, she’s a reaper. Does this qualify as meta?

The Highlights

We saw Cas as a hunted man (it feels odd calling him a man), hiding behind a fake name in homeless shelters, on street corners, and in tattoo parlors. All of the human emotions he had been witnessing for thousands of years were suddenly real for him, as he dealt with hunger, cold, and attraction. He experienced sex, death (again), and fear.

Hunting Cas was an angel name Bartholomew, who was rounding up a multitude of human vessel volunteers with the help of a religious evangelist to give form to his army of followers. (Apparently, Cas’s season 7 instincts were correct to distrust religious evangelists.) Bartholomew has apparently enlisted the help of rogue reapers to track down and assassinate Cas. Why Cas is his number one priority right now isn’t clear, but it may have to do with Cas’s comment to April that because his grace was the final key to Metatron’s spell of casting out angels, Cas may be the key to reversing it.

Meanwhile Ezekiel made some new appearances, temporarily putting Sam to sleep as Ezekiel slipped in and out of Sam’s persona to speak to Dean.

The Good

One of the standout moments of this episode took place between Cas and a woman in a church who was praying for her sick husband. They talked about faith, and Cas tried to explain how no one was listening. It brought me back to season 4 when Dean first prayed to Cas, and Cas told Dean it was a sign of faith. Cas’s most important personal story has always centered around his gradual loss of faith, and it seemed right that Cas – learning now what it means to be human – should see what faith looks like from the human perspective.

Another standout scene with Cas showed him walking down the a street in Chinatown, overwhelmed by the smells, sounds, and diversions of a crowded city. Very nice job all around, with the filming, direction, and acting that conveyed Cas’s disorientation and feelings of isolation.

The transitions between Sam and Ezekiel were creepy good, and an effective reminder that once again, it’s a crowded place inside Sam Winchester’s head.

Dean had some good lines:
- “We’re not cops. Do we look like cops?” By the looks on the homeless men’s faces, Dean and Sam did. Oh, the irony. For so many years they’ve been trying to pass them off as FBI or other officials to skeptical bystanders.
- Cas: “You lied.” Dean: “I did. I do that.”

I was laughing at how little time it took before Dean had Zeke working for him. That’s very Dean. I was thinking back to Dean’s attempts to get Death running his errands – like down to Lucifer’s cage to retrieve Sam’s soul in season 6.

We had a return of Sam’s jogging. This fits Sam. He used to be on a soccer team, and I could see him picking up running while he was at Stanford. It was a good way to let us know that Sam’s feeling much better again. I like that this time the reason Sam is jogging is because there’s an angel healing him, rather than because his brother taught him that putting pressure on his palm relieves psychosis and post-Hell trauma. This just works better for me. What I’d like now is to see other writers pick up on this and build in some consistency. Next time we get a peek inside the Winchesters’ trunk, I wan’t to see Sam’s running shoes in there.

Finally, “You can’t stay.” Yes, that is in the “good” category. Cas looked like a kicked puppy, but it’s good drama, and much more effective that Cas “dying” again. How many of us really believed that would stick?

The Bad

Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leming, the writers who penned this episode, have an annoying habit of seeming to forget which show they’re writing for. In the past their witches have resembled those from Charmed, with their familiars, their powers to make objects fly across their room, and their powers to astral project. Bounty-hunter reapers are from Grimm.

And freelance reapers? Freelance for what? What do they get out of this? They’re not alive. Where is Death in all of this? He always seemed like a boss who ran a very tight ship and took rules seriously. And can’t reapers just find people without tracking them? If not, how on earth do they do their job in transitioning over people when their time comes? Very inefficient if they have to act as private investigators to track down each person.  If Cas's warding was the key keeping him hidden from reapers, isn't that a way to live forever then?  We learned in Death Takes a Holiday that if reapers can't reach you, you can't die.

And if there are freelance reapers, why didn’t Zach and Lucifer use freelance reapers in season 5 when Sam and Dean were hiding from them? And why do reapers look and act like angels now? And possess people? There are so many questions around this. The biggest one is, if there was a plot need for a supernatural creature that could act as bounty hunters, what on earth was wrong with just introducing a supernatural creature new to Sam and Dean, rather than warping a previously established mythology into something – just – different?

Next on the list is Sam’s exposition that Clarence was an angel and that Meg used to call Cas Clarence, and Dean’s confusion at the reference. Another annoying habit of these writers are their patterns of have Sam exposit on something in most of their episodes, and writing Dean as not understanding something that he would have caught. I was one of the maybe 10% of American kids who never happened to watch It’s a Wonderful Life growing up, despite the fact that it’s on TV several times around Christmas every year. But even I knew that Clarence was an angel because it’s a reference that’s part of American culture. But what’s more annoying is that I got the feeling watching it that Sam’s explanation wasn’t so much for Dean’s benefit, as it was for OUR (the viewers’) benefit – the we didn’t catch reference the first TWENTY TIMES Meg called Cas Clarence on the show.

And speaking of Dean, Dean would have been asking harder questions about Ezekiel, especially after Ezekiel indicated that he didn’t want to be caught by Bartholomew either. Really Zeke? Why would he feel threatened by another angel?

The final thing that makes this list was an overload of (and inconsistent) Cas-isms. Cas is awkward. We get that. But too much of anything is overkill. The “inconsistent” comes in Cas not knowing know what safe sex was but understanding the play-on-words in saying he’s not an angel.

The “Huh?”

A lot of the reaper questions belong in here – such as how they can be held in handcuffs if they’re really some sort of a spirit, or how a reaper can be killed like with an angel blade. I chose to put most of the reaper questions into the “Bad” section, rather than the “Huh” section, because sadly, I wasn’t surprised by this.

The Speculation

The scene between Cas and the woman in the church about faith ended with her telling him, “Someone is listening.” While the point of the conversation was Cas and his faith, something about the way that last line was delivered came out sounding prophetic. Will there be a new player introduced – maybe God – who is listening?

Sam is really feeling good. Should we be concerned? A lot of the focus has been around the expected reaction that Sam won’t take well the news that Dean let an angel possess him. But we’re talking about a character here who had a serious problem fighting an addiction to power, and this was when he had a long list or reasons not to indulge. Now he has a new power source without the nasty aftertaste of evil and brotherly disapproval. What if Sam grows to like this new feeling and decides to let Zeke stick around because he doesn’t want to give up the power?

67 comments:

  1. Nice job with this. You gave very good reasons for the many, many problems with this episode. I've said it before: these two writers should not be allowed to write for this series. I know Eugenie Ross-Leming is married to Robert Singer. all the more reason she should be better at her job.
    I'm looking forward to next week's. Despite this abysmal outing, Season 9 is going quite well, and I am eager to see it progress. :-)

    ReplyDelete
  2. Thanks for the comments. I too am looking forward to next week's episode (not quite sure about the dog episode the week after though), and aside from that, the rest of the season.

    ReplyDelete
  3. These two were the ones who trashed seven years of canon so effectively and uncaringly in Taxi Driver; and adding insult to injury, probably without even being aware they had!

    They had obviously never documented themselves then, just as they haven't done here.
    X

    I always thought there was at least one person keeping an eye on the logical part of the canon and story telling (I presumed that was the showrunner's job ) but I must have been mistaken. There have been inconsistencies in past seasons too but never as blatently as when Carver took over.

    These two writers are definitely the worst and least caring of the show and its mythology, but it seems they have a free hand to muck up whatever way they wish!
    X

    Although I'm not particularly interested in the angel story, it seems to me that Bart is a wannabee Dick Roman, and that the angel plot is a re-boot of the Leviathan one, but of course the fact that the basis of the original show, the urban legends that gave variety to the episodes, have been taken out, leaves only room for a merry go round of re-booting the same old tired themes.

    Dean himself said at the end of the episode that it felt as if he was in a 'sit-com' and he wasn't far wrong!
    X.
    As for Castiel, he has been on the show now for 5 years going on six; how can it be believable that he is still so naive when any one of the other angels is smarter than him?
    Good luck with your reviews. :)

    ReplyDelete
  4. I'm not sure any inconsistency can ever top, "We need you to be Michael's vessel, we'll do anything to make that happen...oh wait, we have Adam. Oops. Never mind. xoxo."

    ReplyDelete
  5. I feel like this team is trying to make reapers "happen", the way demons, and then angels, became prominent. Reapers are a blank slate, aside from a few appearances, so Bruckner and Ross-Lemming keep bringing them back to try to make them stand out. The problem is they just seem grimy and dull.


    Every time I saw this Bartholomew I was reminded of how great Naomi was and how I wish they'd kept her around.


    I didn't mind the dead Cas scene, mostly just because of Jensen's wonderful performance.


    I can't see Sam allowing Ezekiel to stay, as all this happened without his consent (and Sam has felt out of control of his life and choices for a long, long time).


    I think Dean wasn't asking hard questions because he was afraid Ezekiel would leave Sam to die.


    I agree with you about the inconsistent writing for Cas, although that isn't new, sadly.

    ReplyDelete
  6. Can't see any inconsistency there.

    Adam's Winchester blood-line made him an ideal substitute for Dean, when he refused, and would probably have been as good a one for Lucifer too.
    X

    If you don't see any problems with for example, (one of the first things that come to mind as it's current,) that angels should not be able to possess humans without their consent, which has been canon since forever, or that in Taxi Driver a rogue reaper can get you into Hell simply holding hands with you, in return for a non-precised favor, after we were repeatedly shown that getting in and out of Hell was so difficult.
    X

    The list of canon trashing done in season eight is endless and most of it by these two sub-par writers.

    ReplyDelete
  7. Just a minor spelling error..Sam's shoes should be in the Trunk, not Truck.


    Reapers can make you see what ever they want you to see, maybe not just to spirits, but if they are spirits an Angel blade should not be able to kill them...If they are Angels then they just ask for permission to take body. Sam DID give Zeke permission in a round about way, thinking he was saying yes to Dean to be healed..


    About Clarence the Angel...I did NOT know this, have never watched the movie and not into movie trivia, so it was something that I enjoyed knowing.


    I think Dean does not want to push Zeke, afraid he will take his healing power and leave, but I am very uneasy with Zeke. Cas used Bobby's soul to heal his self, what if Zeke is using Sam's tattered soul for the same reason? What does this do to Sam in the end?


    Loved the church scene with Cas and the lady, loved Dean and his pie, laughed at that. Loved the look on Dean's face over Cas having sex and a big shout out to Jared for the seamless changes between Sam and Zeke. Whiplash indeed. Jared is doing a fantastic job with this, but I have liked all his characters..except the one that forgot to look for Dean. UGH.



    I also wondered what the someone is listening was going to lead to, all in all I am super happy with this season, maybe because I hated season 8 and it would have been hard to be worse..not that they could not do it, and I am holding my breathe for this next ep.


    Always enjoy your reviews, makes me think. ;)

    ReplyDelete
  8. Good point. Looking at that a different way, the message in season 5 seemed to be that Sam and Dean had to mirror Cain and Abel. This had to be the story of two brothers fighting, and that's why (aside from the bloodline), it had to be Sam and Dean. Adam may have been Sam's brother, but Sam had none of the quarrels and resentments with him that he had with Dean.


    Other big canon-trashing events for me were in season 6 around Sam's soullessness and his body's escape from the cage. Souls and spirits on the show had always been portrayed as one and the same, until Sam came back walking and talking without his soul. And the idea that Cas would have been able to find and penetrate Lucifer's cage, and then walk back out again with Sam's soul - given how much emphasis had been put on its inaccessibility in previous seasons - seemed absurd.


    I have a bigger problem when the show messes with the main stories, such as the rules of the Apocalypse, or the nature of a soul, or Lucifer, than I do with secondary characters such as reapers. But this is getting really distracting because reapers play an important role in death - something that affects all of our characters.

    ReplyDelete
  9. I think Sam will initially be very upset when he learns everything with Ezekiel happened without his consent, but there's been a kind of twisted Stockholm-syndrome-like relationship between Sam and the demons who have abused him in the past. Yellow eyes thought he could get Sam to follow him. Sam hooked up with Ruby. Lucifer in Swan Song suggested Sam was always drawn to him.


    I wonder if the reason Carver seems to be putting a new emphasis on how down Sam feels and his low his self-esteem has been to make it more credible that this sense of power is something Sam needs on a very basic, emotional level.

    ReplyDelete
  10. Cas did not get Sam's soul, Death did.

    ReplyDelete
  11. I always wonder how these writing partners ever get invited back onto the show because let's face it, there episodes are generally very poorly written. Then I remember, one of these writers is married to Exec Producer Bob Singer. I can never forgive them for the absolute slap in the face that was Taxi man.

    ReplyDelete
  12. Yup, I meant body. Mistyped there.

    ReplyDelete
  13. you know when it's a Buckner-Ross-Lemming episode it's not gonna be good, you just hope for does not suck so bad. Why? The clunky plot devices, willfull ignorance of canon, slips into sexism and racism, the exposition and just plain bad dialogue. I agree completely with your derision of the retconning of Reapers, the thing that makes Supernatural unique is it's new take on monsters, angels that are dicks, demons that can sometimes be good, witches that get their power from demon deals and Reapers who are above the angel and demon war and don't need meatsuits. When the writers keep yanking you out of the story because of inconsistencies, and sheer wtf moments, they aren't doing a good job of keeping you in the story, particularly when it's a supernatural story, needs more suspension of disbelief. Since obviously, these writers don't care about writing for Supernatural, they will hopefully go over the to spinoff.

    I just wanted to add that the church scene did not work for me, here is a woman spouting platitudes about faith, while we see a woman literally exploded because she had faith (the woman who wasn't acceptable as an angel vessel) talk about not being able to see the consequences of what you write.

    ReplyDelete
  14. Thanks for your comments. I agree that the monster/angel/demon mythology largely defines the show and gives it some of its character. I really wonder about the spinoff since it seems the primary purpose of a spinoff is to build new situations around already established and popular mythologies. Lately the mythology has been messy and that's going to hurt the spinoff's chances more than it will Supernatural's success.

    I took the church scene a little differently in that I didn't think the message was that the woman with faith was right, so much as it being about Cas for the first time hearing faith discussed from the human perspective. I think it also showed some sadness and regret over what he has lost. Your observation about the contrast with that scene to the woman exploding is interesting. I didn't pick up on that myself. I'm guessing that was probably intentional.

    ReplyDelete
  15. The angels spent many, many years waiting and manipulating to get Dean to say yes, when all they had to do was go to Adam the day he and his mother were killed, and say, "If you agree to be our vessel, your mother will be spared and live a long, happy life."


    To me that's a far bigger canon-trashing event than the boring reapers, who haven't really interested me since season 4. I know it's rewrites and it's all pointless and confusing, it does annoy me, but I just don't care about the reapers. As long as they don't ruin Tessa, I don't care.

    ReplyDelete
  16. When you say it this way, I could see it happening, but I'd rather see Sam fight this. He has seemed so passive and lost for such a long time.

    ReplyDelete
  17. ha, I have sure done that.

    ReplyDelete
  18. Back In Black Tricksteress 95October 26, 2013 at 6:36 AM

    That scene with Cas in the church was powerful. I certaintly hope some-one is listening despite being on the hit list!.
    I think there is more to Zeke than the safety. I'm not saying it isn't about the safety but I think he knows that Cas possibly won't agree at all with Zeke, even though they used to be good soldiers. I knew Zeke would threaten Dean eventually with Sam being back the way he was, I probably even said it I think. Zeke is a complicated character. Rather then using psychology with Sam when he was dying he turned into Dean, as well as making threats but saving Cas.
    I wonder why it took Zeke awhile to respond in that stabbing situation, and did Sam take a tumble after that!. I still think Zeke used that healing power from Sam, but also using the power to regenerate to make himself stronger and get Sam back on his running feet.
    When Dean said I'm letting you know was hilarious, he is getting used to both of them at different times. Its also great to see that loyalty to Cas and I hate to see him keeping that secret, and when it does spill he'll have to be ready!.
    I don't think Sam wants him sticking around even Dean said that. His addiction is the blood and his motivation was revenge and hell. Its amazing how he just stopped that addiction so quick really, I wonder when Zeke goes out he leaves consequences for Sam?, or he just leaves.
    I think we should be a little bit concerned for Sam because he's been knocked out twice, but Dean dosen't have anyone else so he gotta take his chances.
    I hope to know where Zeke is at during the next few episodes, as well as it will be interesting to see the interaction with Dean and Zeke. I don't think Cas will know about this until a little while.
    I really like this episode, it showed abit of everything between the supernatural and humanity as well :)

    ReplyDelete
  19. Nepotism wins the day,Gotta keep your family in a good job. ;)

    I agree about Taxi Driver. I don't think this writing team could have done worse if they'd tried to; and don't let's forget the terrible "Man's Best Friend With Benefits.Ugh!

    ReplyDelete
  20. Dean was the appointed vessel, but just as Lucifer could make do with a compatible one while waiting for his perfect fit, so Michael could use Adam as a substitute for the big fight when ultimately he saw that Dean out and out refused to play along and go through with the Cain and Abel parody.

    So it makes sense to me.
    X

    As for the reapers, I don't particularly care about them either although it annoys me when they change canon without a logical explanation. I only used them as an example, but there have been so many things wrong with S8 that it would take too much time to list them.
    X

    We'll just have to keep to own opinion on what constitutes canon-trashing and what doesn't. :)

    ReplyDelete
  21. Agree - Zeke does seem to be complicated. I'm not sure what to make of him yet. I don't think Sam would "want" him to stick around on a rational level, but sometimes your basic pyschological needs outweigh your rational wants. While I think the blood was the physical addition, and the motivation to get Dean out of hell was the trigger, the need for power and control - born of a long history of being a victim - was the psychological underpinning that turned his action of using his powers into an addiction. The horseman War told Sam that inside his head he couldn't stop thinking of power. IMO, the blood was just a means to that end.


    While I also agree that it will be interesting to see the interaction between Dean and Zeke, I hope they also dedicate at least one episode before Sam learns about Zeke to give an in depth look at what this all looks like from Sam's perspective. They never did this in season 6 when Sam was soulless (taken a closer look at who soulless Sam was and how he thought), and I think the storyline suffered as a result.

    ReplyDelete
  22. That's a good question about whether Zeke is drawing from Sam's soul, the way Cas did with Bobby. I didn't think of that. It seems Carver has dropped most of the mythology from the Gamble years, but he could go there.


    I loved the scene where Dean and Sam learned about Cas having sex too. I meant to put that on my list under "The Good," but forgot to go back and add it before I published. Damn!

    ReplyDelete
  23. Agree with a lot of this... the reaper/angel confusion with April was a standout BAD bit in this episode that left me confused and disappointed :/


    One thing though: Cas's warding was never said to hide him from reapers, it's Enochian and is intended to hide him from angels. Because he warded himself is exactly why Bartholomew hired reapers to go after him in the first place. It's just that the reapers can't just like reach out with some kind of collective consciousness (like the angels) and automatically see him, is all; they have to actually hunt him down and find him - and as Bartholomew said, the easiest way to do that was through the Winchesters...


    April, she just got lucky :/


    And then unlucky. :P

    ReplyDelete
  24. Thanks for the comments. I had to watch the episode three times to feel like I understood what was going on with the mythology enough to write about it, and that's not good because I have a pretty good handle on mythology. Complex is one thing, but they shouldn't be confusing the fans who have watched the series multiple times.


    On Cas's warding, I was making a jump - a guess really - because reapers should have the ability to immediately find people given their jobs, which is transitioning people over to the other side. If what the show is saying is that people can hide from reapers (and by extension death) by making themselves difficult to find, that's the equivalent of a recipe for immortality.


    By making the bounty hunters reapers and not some other supernatural creature, they're really mucking up the rules around death.

    ReplyDelete
  25. Well, I sort of assumed that if it's a reaper actually DOING their job, taking someone when it's THEIR TIME, then yes, that applies and they could find that person anywhere. However, when you inject "rogue" reapers into the mix that are taking people they shouldn't take, which we first saw in "Taxi Driver" last season, then I guess that would go by different rules.


    And I agree, they've really made things confusing with the idea of "rogue reapers" to begin with. Someone needs to inform Death! :P

    ReplyDelete
  26. There's the silver lining to this storyline! This could be an excuse to bring back Death for a few more appearances this season.

    ReplyDelete
  27. I'm with you in wanting to see an end to passive and lost Sam. Maybe this would a chance for Sam to make different decisions and move beyond the guilt that he's carried around from his prior ones.

    ReplyDelete
  28. Back In Black Tricksteress 95October 27, 2013 at 2:27 AM

    So far we are learning about Sam psychology more than the usual and I would like further interaction from what you said. I still don't think Sam would want Zeke for the power but to stay alive if not healed already. Everthing have been interesting with Sam and I think we may see his point of view, probably not directly but Zeke will say.
    I really like the direction of this season :)

    ReplyDelete
  29. Good writing is like good art or good music, you know it when you experience it. This ep was like bad fan fiction because everyone was acting so unnaturally. Who goes to a church and prays out loud? Why would the reapers do an angel's bidding? Crazy bad writing.

    ReplyDelete
  30. Ha! Good point about the praying out loud. The reapers' motivation in this has been bugging me. There has to be some currency or cause they would be interested in for this even begin to make sense.

    ReplyDelete
  31. Am I the only one that did not have a problem with the lady praying out loud in a church that was empty. She may not have known Cas was even there, since he came in after her.

    ReplyDelete
  32. Yeah, I think we SPN fans forgive a lot of clunky writing because we love the characters so much and it is a sci-fi show so you have that whole "anything can happen" mentality. But I would have prefered for Cas' first time to be with someone he cared about. And it was unnatural that everything went so well his first time, but maybe that is a guy thing.
    Jared is doing an excellent job with the Zeke transitions btw. He always seems to do a good job when the writers give him something new to do.

    ReplyDelete
  33. Thanks for the review. Because of the writers of this ep and the fact that I could care less about Cas' "Being Human" storyline, I admit to fast forwarding through most of this one, so your review was my equivalent of watching. Sorry to see it lived up to my expectations. More canon and mythology trashing is about par for these two writers.

    ReplyDelete
  34. I guess I'm the one person in America who had no idea why Meg called Castiel "Clarence," and I was not aware that it was the name of the angel in "It's a Wonderful Life." I've also never seen IAWL despite it airing every single Christmas!
    Needless to say, I had no problem w/this reference in the show.

    ReplyDelete
  35. That didn't bother me at all. I didn't even know it bothered others.

    ReplyDelete
  36. I believe Sam was knocked out after the reaper angel threw him into the closet. Zeke emerged from the closet and healed Cas. That took a lot out of him so he stumbled and probably just let Sam resurface. Sam passed out again and then finally woke up.
    Sam is getting knocked out a lot this season! His body probably still needs much repair!

    ReplyDelete
  37. That would be awesome. I would love an episode from Sam's perspective, esp. if Zeke keeps popping out and Sam thinks he's have memory losses.
    Sadly, I doubt we'd get an episode like that but it would be interesting!

    ReplyDelete
  38. I'm happy I'm not the only one who didn't get the "Clarence" reference until last week. All this time, I had no idea why Meg called Cas "Clarence." Haha :-)

    ReplyDelete
  39. I feel Sam has been very depressed for quite a long time. He has not genuinely laughed or smiled in years. It's no wonder he was ready to accept death in the premiere.

    ReplyDelete
  40. Isle - I'll never understand why Cas is so naïve, but I must say, this episode was better than I thought it was going to be.
    Bart reminded me so much of Dick Roman that I almost vomited in my mouth. Haha! I hated the Leviathans and Dick Roman. I also hated Naomi and have no interest in seeing any of those angels again. Honestly, the horrible way in which the angels treat humans really troubles him. They are basically demons in disguise as angels. They are just evil.

    ReplyDelete
  41. I've never watched the movie either, but I'd heard about it. I think I still needed Supernatural Wiki to help me figure out the connection though.

    ReplyDelete
  42. I feel like everyone forgets that Lucifer also had a substitute vessel in Nick.
    Sam and Dean were never the ONLY vessels, just the TRUE (i.e., best) vessels.

    ReplyDelete
  43. The clunky writing does bother me, I just don't see the church scene as part of it. I'd have preferred Cas to be with someone he cared about too.

    ReplyDelete
  44. Back In Black Tricksteress 95October 28, 2013 at 4:58 AM

    Yes but what I was saying he let Sam tumbled because he resurfaced. So that's was a close call overall, not only could of blasted Sam's organs (because he's still recovering) but there may of been a chance Sam could've remembered.
    Agree Sam is being knocked out too much! But he still makes it to the end :)

    ReplyDelete
  45. I have definitely heard about IAWL, but I just know the basic story. My family loves the movie and always tell me I should watch it, but I never have. Haha!
    I honestly had no clue why Meg called Cas "Clarence" until Sam said something in this past episode. I was like, "Oh, wow! Cool!" So, that didn't bother me at all. I was much more troubled by that reaper's "angel" abilities, but I wasn't too troubled by it. I was just confused. I thought she was an angel, but Dean said she was a reaper. She should have just been an angel who happened across Cas. That would have worked just as well for the story.

    ReplyDelete
  46. Hmm . . . I saw it as Zeke stumbling and falling down simply b/c it took too much from him to heal Cas. Remember when he fell in the premiere after fighting that other angel.
    I don't know. That sequence was strange.
    Some are complaining about Sam getting knocked out a lot, but I'm interpreting it as Sam's body still being in need of much healing so it's been easier for him to be knocked out. I hope the writers have given it some thought but I doubt they have.

    ReplyDelete
  47. No, not the only person, I commented earlier that I had never seen the movie and did not know Clarence was an Angel.. Did not bother me at all and was happy they threw it in..;)

    ReplyDelete
  48. My reply was to someone it bothered.

    ReplyDelete
  49. As long as we are NOT seeing Zeke outside of Sam's body then he has not left him and it will not damage Sam. The only way for Sam to be hurt is if he kicks Zeke out or he just leaves.

    ReplyDelete
  50. Back In Black Tricksteress 95October 28, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    That scene can be percieved in different ways. I saw it as Sam, having said that it could've took the wind out of Zeke. I also got a feeling that healing of Castiel was a strong power, different from the average angel.
    I definately agree Sam is not better by much, he's up and running (and knocking out) but he taking a bit too long to be healed, even though that is understandable. It just that I wonder because he was kinda slaughtered on the inside.. I don't want to get medical here, but because from what it appear to be Zeke is intentionally taking his time. I also think he is in hiding and won't even say why, so he decide to play the leave card, although I do think Dean will get it out of him with his reasoning of kicking Cas out. I can see his point of saving Cas but I got the slight distinction he used Cas as bait. That may be harsh but he's threatened by Cas and that's I daresay cowardly. I really like Zeke but I really don't like the ways he can twist things. So I certaintly hope we get more insight of his ways :)

    ReplyDelete
  51. Back In Black Tricksteress 95October 28, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    But Zeke is taking awhile to heal Sam. Even though Zeke is broken himself its slow. But what if Sam could just recover from Zeke leaving? for all we know Zeke could be lying and already healed Sam.

    ReplyDelete
  52. I am not sure Zeke is doing what he said he would do, I was just commenting that as long as it is Sam (as Zeke) we see, then Zeke has not left him.

    ReplyDelete
  53. Honestly, a big part of my annoyance is that good writing doesn't include exposition to explain the jokes. Ben Edlund used to fill up his episodes with tons of references that probably went over the heads of most viewers, but you catch what you catch and you miss what you miss. Writers certainly shouldn't go back and explain a running joke that has been on the show for four seasons.


    With that said though, I stand by my opinion that most Americans have either watched the movie or are familiar with the famous lines from the film: "Clarence, angel second class" and "When a bell rings, an angel gets its wings." And yes, I realize SPN has a large international audience that might not catch the same references.

    ReplyDelete
  54. I knew the second quote but have honestly - in my 33 years on this planet - NEVER heard the first.

    Plus, I thought this was first time they ever explained the "Clarence" thing. Had they done that before? If so, I completely agree that it wouldn't need to be explained again but I don't recall the first time they talked about it. Admittedly, I was not a fan of S5, S7, or S8 so many of those episodes I only watched the first nights they aired. I guess I missed it.

    ReplyDelete
  55. Yeah . . . I saw your comment after I posted mine :-)
    I like the explanation too b/c I had no clue why Meg nicknamed Cas "Clarence." Last week's reference made me go, "Ohhh . . . that's why she called him Clarence." Haha!

    ReplyDelete
  56. Yes, I know :-)
    I was just remarking that in all the reviews and comments I'd read, that particular complaint never came up. I wasn't aware her audible prayer bothered anyone.

    ReplyDelete
  57. No, this is the first time they explained it..and I was glad, as I just thought Meg liked the name Clarence. ;)

    ReplyDelete
  58. I hear what you're saying. Zeke does appear to be on the run so he couldn't definitely be hiding out in Sam's body taking his sweet time to heal him! He is definitely suspicious!

    ReplyDelete
  59. That's what I thought too . . . but I fully admit to not knowing the latter seasons as well as I knew Seasons 1-4.
    We are on the same page when it comes to "Clarence." Haha! I just thought she preferred that name for some reason!

    ReplyDelete
  60. Back In Black Tricksteress 95October 29, 2013 at 1:03 AM

    Copy that :)

    ReplyDelete
  61. No, they haven't explained it before, but they usually don't explain pop culture references, and it breaks the momentum if they do. It would be like a comedian stopping to explain his jokes.

    The thing about pop culture refernces is that they're something extra for those who get them, but they don't affect the basic understanding of the plot for those who don't.

    ReplyDelete
  62. Back In Black Tricksteress 95October 29, 2013 at 1:03 AM

    Just haveto wait and see :)

    ReplyDelete
  63. I enjoyed the whole ep, but the lady and Cas in the Church was one of my favorites..along with Cas telling the guys he had sex and Dean and the pie.

    ReplyDelete
  64. I miss Meg, loved when she called him her little tree topper. One of my favorite lines from her.

    ReplyDelete
  65. Yes, I agree that that was a really good scene! I'm a Christian so I completely agreed w/the woman's take on faith and what it means.

    ReplyDelete
  66. I miss her too! I also liked that line. I was a huge Megstiel fan :-)

    ReplyDelete
  67. I get that. I appreciated the reference but did find the dialogue a bit strange and clunky! Why would Sam suddenly reflect on Meg calling Cas "Clarence?"

    ReplyDelete

NOTE: Name-calling, personal attacks, spamming, excessive self-promotion, condescending pomposity, general assiness, racism, sexism, any-other-ism, homophobia, acrophobia, and destructive (versus constructive) criticism will get you BANNED from the party.