If last year’s season premiere was a callback to Season 4’s “Lazarus Rising,” this year’s,“I think I’m Gonna Like It Here,” was Season 2’s “All Hell Breaks Loose 2.” We have Dean sitting bedside a not a totally dead Sam, but a dying one, and Dean has hit his emotional bottom and will do anything to save his brother. Anything includes making a deal with a supernatural being that in better times he wouldn’t trust with his beer money. We know that’s not going to end well. We also close with Sam repeating the line from the season 3 premiere, as well as the pilot, “We’ve got work to do.”
In another location, Cas struggles with the new knowledge that he’s lost his grace and his power to hurt a fugly biker. His new reality is slow to set in, as we see him not ready to admit that he needs pocket money. But that will come in time. He’s also dealing with the new realization that his angel brethren not only won’t forgive him, but are now a threat to him.
We launch the season with the Winchesters and Cas hunted by an ominous and powerful supernatural force. I like it! t’s like season 7 was supposed to be but wasn’t.
The Highlights
Yikes Dean, what did you do? Sam’s been violated as a baby with demon blood that changed him on a cellular level and left him with a feeling that he was damaged - that he had evil inside himself. He’s been possessed by a demon. He’s been possessed by Lucifer and helpless to stand by as Lucifer beat his brother senseless. He once found himself in a position of not being in control of his body or his actions when his soul was ripped from it. And there were a lot of rape insinuations around his time with Lucifer in the cage. But none of this was ever orchestrated by someone he trusted.Dean knows this, and seemed to acknowledge that he knew Sam’s inevitable reaction if he learns about the possession. But Dean is a gambler, and he throws his rational sense out the window when it comes to his family. He had no option other than to lose his brother, and this is what he does when he’s out of solutions. When Sam was in the cage, Dean let a doctor “kill” him, with a predicted 75 percent chance that the doctor could bring him back, so that he could contact Death to ask for his help. Dean is gambling that Sam won’t ever find out about the possession, and that Cas’s assessment of Ezekiel as good is true – although as we saw with Cas’s encounter with another angel – things have changed.
The Good
Showrunner Jeremy Carver, who wrote this episode, opened with a strong multi-plot front. We have Dean orchestrating Sam being possessed by an angel, Crowley in Dean’s trunk, a pissed off earth-bound troupe of angels out to get the Winchesters and Cas, and Cas discovering humanity and rediscovering his self-preservation instincts.Tahmoh Penikett as Ezekiel promises to be an interesting and possibly menacing character. I watched Tahmoh on Battlestar Gallactica, and although I wasn’t as fond of his character on that show, he wears his new angel face well. He is believable as Ezekiel, and his grin as Sam gives his consent is chilling. To see more of Tahmoh’s performances though, we’re going to have to get Ezekiel out of Sam - but give it time.
Cas seems to have a more promising arc this season than being the butt of jokes or an outlet for Dean’s frustration. I wasn’t excited after hearing Cas would become human because it’s been something that seems like it’s been teased - and dragged out - since season 5, but there was something appealing about watching Cas shed his trenchcoat and his angelic tolerance. Cas is hungry, and he killed. Self-preservation is kicking in, and that makes him more relatable - something we haven’t seen from him since season 6.
It’s always nice to get a glimpse inside Sam’s head. It’s a busy place in there, and we get a peek inside too rarely.
Supernatural’s freaky weather is back. I love it when SPN shows how the rest of the world perceives and tries to explain away the Supernatural events that are commonplace in Sam and Dean’s world. In this case it was freak global meteor showers on the news.
Even unseen in a trunk, Crowley is still funny.
We got Cas in his underwear, stripping in a laundromat. Speaking of which, did he steal someone else’s clothes?
It was nice to see Death again. (That came out sounding strange.) Julian Richings always gives a commanding performance. It was also nice to hear Death’s validation of Sam and his contributions after Sam has been heaped with so much blame over the seasons.
The Bad
Although I liked the exploration of inside Sam’s head, there was something lacking. Namely something that made it personal – that made this debate about Sam, and not about Joe, the butcher down the street. I had trouble connecting the dots and understanding how Sam feels about all of this. Did the Amelia experience reawaken hope in Sam? Hope that was crushed when the relationship ended and Sarah was killed? That’s one plausible possibility. Did Sam lose faith when he gave up the trials? That’s another. Has Sam always believed he belongs dead since Dean brought him back in AHBL2? That’s possible as well. There wasn’t enough to tell me why Sam really wanted to die, or even confirm that he wanted to die. Did he go along with Dean because he still has hope, or because he’s the younger brother and it’s too ingrained in him to follow his older brother?The debate “should I move on or fight” was on a cerebral level, rather than an emotional one, and it told me little about Sam. There was no connection that Sam made to something in his past that explained to me why this makes sense for Sam. Maybe that's supposed to be obvious. It's understandable why anyone who's had a life as crappy as the Winchesters would want to move on. But still, I wanted it spelled out for me.
And this has been a writing issue for several seasons now. Sam’s soullessness played out as academic exercise on what having a soul means, rather than it being used to illustrate who Sam was. Had Bobby become soulless rather than Sam, he would have been portrayed very similarly. Sam’s post-Hell experiences were mostly centered around surviving the physical trauma rather than being used to expand the depth of his character. There’s potential in this angel-possession storyline to tie back to Sam’s feelings about his past with demon blood and possession. Let’s hope the writers don’t pass on another opportunity to show us who Sam really is.
I’m not sure how I feel about Dean’s line, “There ain’t no me if there ain’t no you.” It’s certainly true. The brothers’ codependent relationship has been the foundation of this show since season 1. The old “no chick flick moments” Dean wouldn’t have said it though. That might be my issue. Maybe it’s time to let that Dean go. The tough-talking, posturing Dean has been gone for several seasons now and replaced by one that sings out loud to Air Supply in the car and dresses up as William Wallace in geek LARPing events. I kind of liked the old Dean better, but characters change.
The “Huh?”
So an angel is in Sam without Sam giving knowing consent? The whole consent thing was a pretty big deal in season 5, and even Lucifer didn’t try to pull one over on Sam. However, even “good” angels on the side of Michael have been known to be duplicitous. Zachariah bent the rules in a similar fashion when he caused Sam to hear a fake phone message from Dean, which would push him over the edge to kill Lilith. So I’ll give Carver that one. Sam did consent to letting Dean help him, even if he didn’t understand the nature of the help. What’s made me go “huh?” though, is that we’re supposed to believe Sam doesn’t know that there’s an angel inside him. Sam’s had an angel in him before, by the name of Lucifer, and that must have left a mark. I can’t believe he wouldn’t sense that it’s happened again.What did it mean when Sam’s head-Bobby told Sam that Sam, not Sam’s head-Dean was responsible for Sam getting out of Hell? A tease of a soon-to-be-reopened season-6 storyline, a mistake in SPN history, or something implying that Sam’s perception is that Dean didn’t help get him out? [Note: Someone pointed out that this about Bobby getting out of Hell and not Sam. I'll have to recheck that.]
Another thing that makes this list is Cas’ trip to the laundrymat. Where on earth was Cas where buying a snack costs a quarter? Did he take another trip back to the 70s?
How come Ezekiel could heal Sam but Cas couldn't when Sam started changing in season 8?
"What did it mean when Sam’s head-Bobby told Sam that Sam, not Sam’s head-Dean was responsible for Sam getting out of Hell?" I think they were referring to Bobby getting out of hell, not Sam. Dean said they rescued Bobby, and he reminded Dean that it was in fact Sam who got him out.
ReplyDeleteThanks. I guess I'll need to rewatch that part again. I watched it twice but didn't take it as that, but you're probably right. It makes a lot more sense.
ReplyDeleteI think you are looking too deep into this whole Sam wanting to die. Quite simply, he has been through alot, it is the accumulation of all those reasons you listed why he wants to die, there is nothing more to it, and Jared Padalecki did a wonderful job on expressing that weariness on his face in those dream sequences. Thanks for the read on a great episode
ReplyDeleteI agree with most of what you have said except Season 3’s “Lazarus Rising was in fact season 4 and one of my favorite eps...and there has not been anything in Supernatural that would have Sam NOT look for Dean..
ReplyDeleteI loved this ep and if Carver does not go off the rails and canon again this will be a great season. Just maybe it will take away the horror of S8...OK I will TRY and stop beating this dead horse. ;)
“There ain’t no me if there ain’t no you.”
ReplyDeleteI don't know why so many people get this wrong? Dean didn't say this, Ezekiel does, it's been Ezekiel the whole time, the real dean is never in Sam's mind.that's why this line feels awkard, because that's not how dean talks.The transformation from Dean to Ezekiel make it pretty clear that it's him all along.
for Ezekiel to possess Sam, it needs Sam to say yes to him, not to Dean, it has to be Ezekiel when Sam said yes.
"How come Ezekiel could heal Sam but Cas couldn't ?"
this might be related to the true identity of this so called Ezekiel. if he is indeed sth way more powerful than Cas, of course he can. There are a lot of people in tumblr saying Ezekiel is actually Lucifer, which I believe has strong point:
"1. The promo pictures is in a cage.
2. A angel wanting Sammy to say yes to him ( sneaky as fuck )
3. The episode “the end” was in 2014. It´s 2014 now guys.
4. He didn´t want to say his name at first.
5. If he crawled out of his cage, ofc he would be weak.
6. All angels are cast to earth. Maybe ALL angels. Luficer included."
I would like to add a fews points, people stated that Ezekiel can't be Lucy because Lucy never lies, but I believe he might be force to do so. if like pt.6,Lucy get out of the cage because of Metatron's spell, then Micheal would have been out of the cage too. if they are both weaken by the spell, it is possible that Lucy is in a hurry to find a good vessel asap,so that he can heal, because Micheal already has one, adam rise with him, if Micheal get to him first be4 he can heal, Lucy is screwed.
and this whole another angel can possess Sam thing is shaddy. Angle possession requires a certain bloodline, and Ezekiel just happenes to be the good angel who wants to help and matches Sam's bloodline, which is destinated for Lucifer, orginated from Cain and Abel? it can't be a coincident. The angel Heal was so eager to get Cass as her vessel, even though Cass's being hunted, implies that it's hard to find a vessel matches one's bloodline.
Last but not least, guess which section of the bible tells the origin story of Lucifer, and describe him in details?
Ezekiel 28
When he say he's Ezekiel, Lucifer may just be subtlely saying hi.
Thanks for catching that. I know it was 4. That was a silly error and I will fix that. I think this season shows more potential than last year, so I'm hopeful too.
ReplyDeleteEzekiel did get sam's consent, he tricked him however into giving it to him
ReplyDeleteThanks for commenting. It just struck me as odd that Cas didn't know where to begin, but Ezekiel, if we can believe him, had a plan to initially heal Sam from the outside. But I don't really believe Ezekiel.
ReplyDeleteThanks for commenting. That's explanation is certainly believable. I just would like his motivations made a little more apparent. And this is by no means criticism of Jared's acting skills. He does the best with what he has to work with, but the dialogue is often lacking enough detail for us to see inside his head.
ReplyDeleteThat's a very interesting theory that it could be Lucifer. I hope they don't try to turn this into The End, but the Lucifer angle is interesting. To your first point, I felt it was ambiguous whether it was Dean or Ezekiel in Sam's head. Or maybe it was the earlier figment in Sam's imagination (Dean representing Sam's will to fight), but when Sam agreed, that opened the door for Ezekiel?
ReplyDeleteThanks for commenting. I agree that he did sort of get consent, but if Sam didn't know what he was agreeing to, was it really consent? Fuzzy line here.
ReplyDeletebut didn't Cas give a little smile of satisfaction when Dean told him that Eze is helping them? he was like 'Ezekiel, yes.he is a good soldier' (if i remember the words correctly). Why would Cas smile that smile if he had some doubts about him? and, um, i believe that the cage in hell and heaven are very different things. The spell Metatron did was to expel angels out of heaven.
ReplyDeletei dont really trust Eze either. when the angel that found Dean first in the hospital didnt recognize Eze, i was like BAM. He isnt to be trusted.
ReplyDeleteI still think the angel need to hear a face to face yes to possess. In S5, Dean say yes to zachariah, but he can still back out when Micheal comes.
ReplyDeleteAs for end verse thing, I think it's quite possible:
Angels gone, check
Bobby's dead, check
Cas is human, check
Sam say yes(to Lucifer and Ezekie) , check
2014, coming soon
but I don think if they do the end verse again, it would be different than the last time, maybe not that desperate, be more united and fight tgt I guess.
I think the new season will be just what they need to make up for the story line dropping a bit in Season 7. I have been watching since episode 1, and I truly feel they can come back this year and have one of, if not the, most powerful seasons yet. It will be hard to beat some of the earlier ones, but I think they have a shot. By going back to the basic of the family bond and having Dean focused more on protecting Sammy while having to fight a host of bad guys, I think we will start to see a struggle in him that we have no seen since the Lucifer/Michael season. They will not be able to keep Sam in the dark for long regarding his possession, and he and Dean will have a very large falling out when he finds out. Cas and Dean are great together, but I think seeing a different more independent side of Cas this season will make his character even more popular, and will help the show's ratings even more because of it. Was great seeing Bobby again!
ReplyDelete"Why would Cas smile that smile if he had some doubts about him?"
ReplyDeletethat angel said he's Ezekiel doesn't mean he is the real Ezekiel, he refuse to give his name at first, maybe he's trying to come up with an alias. the real Ezekiel may be out there somewhere or died already. Cas doesn't know squat on heaven since he come back in season 7, he's been avoiding heaven, it's possible that he didn't know what happened to Ezekiel.
And it's not like Cas never trusted the wrong people be4, if you ask him in season 4, he probably would say "Uriel, Anna, Hester are good soldiers", he a navie little baby.
And there is some little details in ep1 that might support this theory too.
the first angel who attack dean say he doesn't recognize Ezekiel, but this is an angel with a lore, it's not like some made up angel like naomi or Anna, he should be more well known in Heaven, and since Cas killed off a lot of angel in heaven, not many of them left, the social circle wasn't that big, it's a bit suspicious that the angel doesn't recognize him.
Also Hael approaches Cas and Cas didn't recognize she's angel,He can't see her true form. this might be the writer's setting so latter when Cas meet Sam, he can't know that Sam's been possess, or at least can't see the face of the angel who possess him. Because Cas have met lucifer face to face, this can prevent Cas id lucy from the start
Love this comment, that could prove to be VERY interesting going forward..something to think about.
ReplyDeletebeing a good solider doesn't mean the same thing as being a good ally to the brothers. at best it means he believes that ezekiel isn't one of raphael/previous management's followers at worst it means simply that he is a good solider that was loyal to castiel. and by that i mean he can run the gambit of samandiriel who just looked up to him to balthazar who was willing to kill 50k people to help out.
ReplyDeleteand even if he just truly wanted to help... we've all seen how angel's idea's of "helping" don't always line up with what is helpful and things they do with good intentions can lead to horrible fallout.
thanks :) people on tumblr comes up with Ezekiel is lucifer theory, and then I find a few points that matches this theory, I start to wonder maybe the writers really are going to end!verse, this is fascinating
ReplyDeleteit all seems like it could match but they spent all of season 5 making a point that lucifer would never trick sam or lie to him in order for him to say yes. he even made sure when he did that it was a serious consensual yes. so the idea that lucifer is now tricking sam doesn't vibe with me.
ReplyDeletethen again this is a show that seems to forget canon/characterization to fit their plot ideas at times so there is that...
For the comment about Cas's snacks - he had a stack of quarters sitting on the washer (not one). I took the scene as he stole clean clothes and used the quarters to buy food. Also, Cas was also given some dollar bills, which we didn't see on the washer, not sure where they were.. .
ReplyDeleteI had trouble with the consent part as well until I rewatched. Ezekiel posing as Dean asks Sam "So is that a yes?" and Sam answers him with "Yes" right before he takes possession of him. It was duplicitous, but it was consent.
ReplyDeleteWell Zachariah gave Dean stage 4 stomach cancer and removed Sam's lungs to try and get Dean to say yes to Michael, so I think the term consent is pretty loosely defined. One of the things Dean/Ezekiel said was "you have to let me in", which is pretty much the consent form right there. Lucifer said he wouldn't trick Sam or force him the last time, but we don't know about other angels.
ReplyDeleteI mean, we saw Ezekiel possess Sam where Sam might not have actually
ReplyDeleteconsented. Not only that, thousands of angels fell and they would all
need vessels. Should we assume that, in each case, the first vessel they
asked consented? (They’re lucky that none landed near my place!)
Surely, some people said ‘No way, Jose’. In that case, shouldn't there
be reports out there about these mad things calling themselves angels
asking for vessels? The Daily Mail would be all over that and it's about
as believable as a meteor shower with no evidence of meteorites.
I think it's ambiguous if Dean is speaking to Sam. I believe that Dean is at least listening in and feeding Ezekiel the lines, because Ezekiel doesn't seem emotional enough to come up with the right things to say. In the end, it wasn't totally clear if Ezekiel let Dean talk to Sam and then took his place when Sam said yes, if Dean was playing Cyrano and telling Ezekiel what to say, or if Ezekiel happened on the right way to manipulate Sam. They may or may not clear this up later.
I kinda thought that if Ezekiel did heal Sam from the outside, he wouldn't have been able to heal him all the same --like he could treat the symptoms, but not the disease.
ReplyDeleteNice review! I really enjoyed reading that and I agree with a good bit of what you say too.
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed Ezekiel, both the Tahmoh Penikett version and the Jared Padalecki version. Love seeing Jared get another great chance to show off his awesome acting skills. Jensen and Misha were on par as well with their performances. They are 3 amazing lead actors for this show. I hope Ezekiel can be trusted, but I don't know. I like the theory that he could really be Lucifer but I don't want the show to go the way The End went either.
I loved getting to see Bobby and Death again. Loved seeing Jensen as Dean kick butt with the angels, well kind of kick butt with the angels. The snark and boldness against foes way stronger than him has always been a favorite Dean thing for me and the way he was protecting both Sam and Cas (as he always tries to do) was great. It may not have been the best decision with how he saved Sam, but I can't fault Dean for loving his family so much. And I really loved human Cas more than I thought I would. Misha was brilliant with injecting the right amount of comic relief into the more serious and sad parts of the angel becoming human. I love that Cas still wants to try to protect and help his angel brethren, but love even more that he listened to Dean when Dean told him to take care of himself for once. I hope by some point of the season that we see the three Team Free Will members all together and staying together (and all alone in their bodies too...love Ezekiel, but I want Sam to be Sam and nobody else, no matter how great Jared's acting is).
Don't forget too that he had to use some of his money on the payphone when he called Dean, which seemed to be his first priority to do. I just thought it was heartbreaking too when he sacrificed the trench coat to buy water/snacks. Misha's expression just sold that scene for me.
ReplyDeleteThough if we're talking about the oddity of using that small amount of money to buy snacks, it strikes me as odd for places to have payphones anymore. I don't know about other places in the world, but payphones are just about never seen around where I live anymore.
That's how I interpreted that scene as well. That it was all Ezekiel inside Sam's head and he was saying whatever he needed to to get Sam to say, "Yes."
ReplyDeleteEziekel did not really heal Sam... The angel said Sam can eject him anytime which Dean doesnt want because Sam will die.. This is more of a band aided, so who knows if Ezeikel is even telling the truth. I think he is not all he says he is and there is trouble ahead.
ReplyDeleteI live in a pretty decent size city - while payphones are a thing of the past, I know of three of them near me - one at a gas station where truckers drive by, one on a street full of bars and one outside a bus station. There are probably more in the area. So, yes, it struck me odd (and even more odd that someone was using it), but I still find it believable.
ReplyDelete:) Good point having to spend money on the payphone. Misha has some of the most heart breaking looks. All the guys in this show can be so incredibly expressive given the right dialogue and scene.
That is one of the things I love about this show, the actors do so much silent acting and you have to pay attention and not be talking with someone or you miss a lot. Super acting and dang let Dean get a tear and I cry with him. lol
ReplyDeleteThanks for the reminder. I'd forgotten about that. So, it seems like any ole "yes" will do then, huh?
ReplyDeleteHi Freda. What I was thinking of was the scene where he's on his last quarter to put into the washer. He looks up at the vending machine, and I'm pretty certain I saw a number of candies marked as costing 25 cents. I'll have to rewatch that again now, but that's what I thought I saw. Thanks for commenting.
ReplyDeleteThanks for commenting. The show really does have a strong cast that's just fun to watch. I'm hopeful for a strong season, but skeptical, but I'd love it as much as anyone if the show knocks it out of the park this year. I'm hoping to there's a twist to Ezekiel that's not Lucifer, but we'll have to see.
ReplyDelete"then again this is a show that seems to forget canon/characterization to fit their plot ideas at times so there is that..."
ReplyDeletetotally agree with you, especially if ignoring one small canon detail can give them more room for a more interesting story, they definitely will do that. this is the group of writer retcon Crowley's whole backstory just to make his conversation with Naomi interesting we are talking about.
And the Satan aren't exactly the most trustworthy type of person,the is the devil we are talking about, he the kind of being that would make Crowley the king of hell look like a saint.
I didn't think of that. I was struck at how he could sit in a room with angel warding around him, but then, didn't Cas at once point carve the anti-angel symbol on his abdomen? So the canon on that might be fluid.
ReplyDeleteI think the consent thing worked because of one line that Ezekiel (posing as Dean) said to Sam "I can help you, but you've gotta LET ME IN." So then when Sam said yes... he was agreeing to let Ezekiel in :(
ReplyDeleteAlso, I think Cas had more quarters than one, they showed he had a small handful whenever he first walked up to the washing machines ;)
And when it comes to Sam no longer wanting to live... I really feel like when he left Amelia behind to choose Dean, he basically gave up on "normal, apple pie life" he's always talked about wanting. I think somewhere between there and the end of the trials, Sam realized that neither of the brothers will ever be able to leave hunting and have "happy" and "normal" if the other one is still around. :/ As tragic as that is. And I think once again, he chose DEAN. As in, "if one of us has to die for the other to break this fucked up codependent mess we have going on, it'll be me, and DEAN can go on and be happy."
Of course, he's wrong. Dean would BREAK without him. As messed up as it is, they need each other, and neither would be happy without the other for long :(
Yeah, I have spent way too much time thinking about this :P hehe
This is one of the best discussions I've come across for SPN for some time. There really are some awesome and possibly valid theories flying around here. I will say, I do fully believe "Ezekiel" is an angel.
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The "Lucy" theory is possible, but I do hope he's changed. I DO NOT want "The End" to be the direction we are heading... All the same, it could possibly be Michael, but again, I hope things have changed. Could be a follower of either as well, I guess, but that would likely be less interesting...
A Cas friend/follower is a "meh" idea as would be an enemy.
I'd love something totally out of left field a HUGE!!! That can still be an angel... Could it be Joshua, the angel who talked to God? Why lie though, the boys would surely treat him as a friend... From waaaaaaaaaaay out in left field.... what if it was God? Probably to big... The show kind of dropped the ball (or hid it in a prophet) with that storyline...
As stated, Ezekiel is an angel of lore... heck... he's the general of Gods "Holy Angelic Army." Such an Angel would be... well huge. For all we know, however, there may have been a few... "special" kinds of angels. Perhaps some... prehistoric Angels... hard to say, but that could be a major thing.
Anywho
/Speculation off
I don't think the warding throws you out, just keeps you out. The throwing out symbol has to be done in blood, at least that is what young John was told.
ReplyDeleteYou are not alone, I get obsessed with the boys and this show, I cry(sob really) and laugh with them very often. I have to pull back and tell myself...."self, this is NOT real" but you know for me it seems that way often and I think that is what hurt me so much last season when Sam did not look for Dean. I don't think I will ever get over that...So I will save room for you in my padded room. lol
ReplyDeleteAnd don't forget, Sam is an introvert intellectual character. Gosh he wanted to be a lawer. Therefore it makes sense, that he divides his intellect into three: emotion, ego and reason. Bobby: reason / Sam: ego / Dean: emotion. Car scene: ego is trying to calculate the opportunities and emotion & reason are bitching. "Stop I can't hear myself!" Therefore I wouldn't say it is the dialogue, SPN screenwriters gave a lot hints, but you have to look and hear very very carefully.
ReplyDeleteHaving had a little more time to sit with this episode, I think the answer about why Sam didn't raise Hell and Earth to bring Dean back is in this episode. To Sam, being allowed to die is preferable to being possessed or resurrected by some Supernatural deal. Sam was doing for Dean what he would have liked to be done for him. Sam and Dean don't see eye-to-eye on that, but I think it's time they had sat down for a good talk.
ReplyDeleteI see this as two different things. Intellectual, reason-based characters can still have motivations and character development that is understood by the audience. It's up to the writers to leave a consistent trail of dialogue and actions that speak to where the character is coming from and why they are doing what they are doing. But with that said, while I think Sam is more of an intellectual personality type than Dean, that by no means suggests he doesn't have strong emotions. His season 4 arc, as well as most of his actions in the earlier seasons, were driven by emotion.
ReplyDeleteI'm leaning toward Ezekiel being an angel too, although I have a preference for a new character rather than a reincarnation of one we've seen before. Maybe the more interesting question than "who he is" is "what he wants." What's his end game with possessing Sam? I would guess Sam and Dean, as Lucifer and Michael's vessels, would be grade-A vessels for angels. Can the angel tap into some of Sam's latent demon-blood powers to boost his own?
ReplyDeleteI just don't think they'd go back to the Apocalypse storyline. I don't believe it's Lucifer. I think people just want him to be.
ReplyDeleteI've made connections to 2014 too, but not this.
If only i could believe these writers were capable of such a feat. Not much faith in that.
ReplyDeleteGood review, Chris. I finally watched it and cant really get excited for the season. I have little fairh in Carver or his writers. I agree it wasnt Dean who was in Sam's head but Ezekiel. The only thing Dean is guilty of is not telling Sam whats going on and he cant because of the real fear of Sam ejecting the angel and chosing to die. I have a real problem woth Sam and his easy acceptance of death. After his 'light at the end of the tunnell' speech it seems he's pretty easy for him to just give up. Where is that Sam? And through the entire talk witj HeadBobby, i kept waiting for him to ask about what happens to his brother if he does accept death. He didnt even consider it. So to me, the 'brotherly relationship' is embarrasingly one sided. Dean will do what needs to be done (cuz lets face it, Sam was not going to die permanently in this show and it was made very clear there was no other alternative), and Sam lets things go far more easily. Its become too unbalanced
ReplyDeleteI sincetely wish they could write something better for Dean than guilt. Its redundant. Im not invested in cas' story at all and at this point think if Sam wants to die so badly, let him. Of course then the show would be done, so they should never have gone there in the first place znd contrive that angst. They cant think of any other kind od drama that could come from the lives of two monster hunters with a world full of pissed off angels? They need to stop with the contrived angst. Creating a rift (because yes Sam will have a hissy fit) when there wasnt any other choice for Dean to make is needless conflict that could be put to better use.
Problem for me is Sam did NOT know if Dean was dead and did not care enough to look.
ReplyDeleteWell that doesn't contradict, Sam isn't Spock^^ Sam is a flawed human^^
ReplyDeleteWhy does it have to be a hissy fit with Sam and not a justifable response ? see this is what drives me nuts the idea that Dean is the only one with legitmate responses .So will it be a case of if Sam responds in away that is not liked will he get painted as the 'bastard ' ? by many in the fandom.
ReplyDeleteEven his state of coma is being picked to pieces as to portray him as a selfish horrible person because poor Dean was forced into a desperate measure that created a situation where Sam is possessed without his genuine consent but Dean had no choice .
Your body Sam your life but Dean's right .
Glad you enjoyed the review. I think the writing has been inconsistent in this area of letting loved ones go for a few seasons now, and that's why the writers can't just assume that we know what's going on their heads. Aside from the contradictions in their points of view last season, we have the Bobby-as-ghost situation in season 8. Dean, after a bit of flipflopping, was the one pushing to put ghost-bobby down, and Sam didn't seem to have an opinion one way or the other because the writing team had apparently taken a three-year vacation from developing Sam's character. In Carver's defense, he inherited this canon from Gamble, but now he needs to try harder to explain where these character are, because many of us just aren't guessing it on our own.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree with you on the Sam part. I won't agree with the argument that someone is wrong to want to have control over what happens to his own body. There are two perspectives here and both are understandable and relatable. Sam, given his history of possessions and his body being tainted by demon blood, thinks losing control over your body is worse than death. Dean's reaction is to go to any length to keep his family with him, even if that means doing something he knows is wrong or against their wishes. I wish Carver had done more though to connect Sam's thought process in this episode to his past history rather than making it seem like an academic debate on the nature of death.
Preach it, sister!
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying its wrong for Sam or anyone to have control over what happens to them, my point is simply that Sam is never going to die permanently on this show. Thats a given. If he does, Jared is out of a job. It is never gonna happen. So where exactly was Dean's choice? They set him up to create a situation that made him the bad guy when it was the only path he was ever gonna be allowed to take. That is what bugs me about this. It's a set-up. Then I read posts condemning him for what he did. Did these people want Sam to die? I just don't get what comes out of this besides more contrived drama. Sam finds out and gets mad. Of course he does. Why wouldnt he. But Dean did the only thing he could so Sam's anger is for naught. What I'm looking for is letting the situation dictate the drama. They could have just as easily had Sam aware of what was going on and made the conflict the boys against the angel if it wouldn't give Sam up later after he was healed. But instead, the created the conflict to drive the drama instead of letting the drama create the conflict naturally. It drives me nuts. Kripke let the boys conflicts come from the situations they were in. Gamble and Carver force the conflicts to create the situations. It's backwards and is for shock value rather than true storytelling.
ReplyDeleteFor those that were talking about the price of the food in the vending machine, unless I was seeing it wrong, all those items had a $1 in front..candy $1.25, some items $1.50. Just paused it, did not go closer to the TV..
ReplyDeleteI have a problem when I see what feels like out of character behavior by characters to bring the story to a certain conflict point, but that's not what I'm seeing here. The SPN-verse established early on that hunters die young and bloody - that seems to be a given. It set up that Dean won't let Sam die first. It's also been established that Dean won't quit hunting and he doesn't want Sam to quit either. And it's been established that Sam hates feeling like a Supernatural freak. So in this case I think the conflict was inevitable. The writers drive the direction the show takes - that much is true - but wouldn't it be a little unrealistic if, given their jobs, they were never put in this position again?
ReplyDeleteI have more of a problem with last year's perception that Sam didn't look for Dean. I say perception because I'm not sure the show every firmly established what Sam did or didn't do after Dean died. He didn't know where to look and gave up at some point early on, but that doesn't mean he didn't look at all. My problem with that is that almost everyone seems to be in agreement that Sam would have looked, so that was out of character behavior being written to fuel a conflict. And the lack of establishing what Sam did or didn't do, and the reasons behind it, it's slipped into scattershot writing for Sam again. Again, to get back to my point in the article - the show needs to do better in establishing and building consistency into the characters' paths and motivations.
Is it out of character for Dean not to let Sam die? I think that's more of a gray area - only because Dean let Sam die in season 5 (that the supposed to be the completion of that arc). But maybe the character regressed after the season 6 events with Cas, losing Lisa, and then losing Bobby. It's reasonable, and I'm on the fence about that part.
I kept waiting for the 3 little words that would have made, for me anyway, season 8 a very good season...I DID LOOK. There is no question in my mind unless Sam was possessed that he would have looked. They could have fixed it even in the final ep, but chose not to.
ReplyDeleteBecause if Sam does get pissed (which Jared himself has said) its because Dean was painted into a corner. What would you rather Dean have done? Allowed ezekel to save him or let him die? It was made clear those were the only two choices. Dean was set up by the writers to make the decision because there was no alternative. Sam cant die. They keep putting them in this situation to contrive a rift that could never go the other way anyway. So Dean is set up ti do something terrible for Sams sakr, then Sam gets to be indignant about it and pile guilt on for something that was a non- decision to begin with. Im blaming the writers for contriving a stupid situation that obviously had only one outcome to start with. Its a waste of effort. Sam and Dean are two fundamentally different people. Conflict will arise out of how they see their jobs and how they approach the solutions. To create a situation like this to obviously create a conflict that neither has no choice in is ridiculous. Set Dean up to choose the only path he can just to have a reason for Sam to get mad at him. So would you have been happier if he ket Sam die? If not, even you cant blame him. I have no idea why they thought they needed to create this conflict which will play out to its predictable end. Sam gets pissed, dean feels guilty, sam realizes Dean had no choice, back to fighting angels, wash, rinse, repeat. Its the contrived situation that is at fault, not Dean or Sam.
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