Kinda disappointed that it appears show's decided to go the 'April's evil!' route but I'll reserve judgement til I've actually seen the ep. Sam looks GREAT in pink.
Noooooooooooo :'( She is torturing him and he is human :'O Dammit...Poor Cas...Btw,did anyone else catch the Ezekiel vibes from the last photo ??I think it's Ezekiel taking over.
WAIT.Oh damn.Now that I see the picture of Cas and April she has stabbed him with the Angel Blade TOO DEEP :O I think he will be on the verge of death and Ezekiel will heal him!!!
Also I totally forgot!!!It's Ezekiel who tells Dean about Cas!!!We know that from the synopsis.So we'll definitely gonna see Zeke---->"Ezekiel tells Dean a group of angels is hunting Castiel. Dean and Sam race to find their friend before the angels do. Meanwhile, a homeless Castiel is trying to make his way through the city and comes across some unexpected surprises."
If that happens (Zeke healing Cas) then I'm really confused because it goes against what Misha has said in some recent interviews. He mentioned something about Cas hearing on Angel Radio that the other angels are looking for Zeke because he helped the Winchesters and Castiel has no idea that he's using Sam as a vessel and won't for a long time. I don't think he finds out until Sam does, which is the mid-season break from everything I've heard. I kind of got the impression that this is why Dean sends him away from the bunker. He's afraid that Cas will tell Sam about Zeke and Sam will eject him or something to that effect. I know Misha likes to mess with fandom but I don't think he'd lie about something this big.
Yes, that does look like Jared making his Zeke face to me. Which is odd considering what Misha said about Castiel not knowing about Zeke using Sam as a vessel. I'm so confuzzled. lol
I agree with everything you said, I just don't think Cas will know but wouldn't he suspect something up with Sam or Dean being less open with him?. I think it will take him a bit to figure out why Zeke is the hot topic on radio.
Wow, way to spoil everything in the promotion photos. Too bad April is an angel, but maybe she was possessed, I just don't get why she say yes, maybe be Cas was under attack and She thought letting an angel possess her can help?
My guess is Cas have to knife her himself, you know in case he's life is not tragic enough. But I do remember there is an exorcism spell that can expell angel from it's vessel and send them back to heaven, Alastir used it once, I guess Cas know that too, but maybe coz angels cant go back to heaven now, the spell won't work.
I do think no matter what Zeke has to mindwipe Cas, coz besides Dean and Zeke, he's the only one knows that Sam once hospitalize and Zeke was there to help, I wonder if Zeke wipe this horrible April encounter from Cas too, so he wouldn't be so sad
Maybe Cas will be unconscious when he does it and will just assume that Zeke showed up independent of Sam? I have no idea how this is going to play out.
An inside source has hinted that it's actually Dean who makes the decision to tell Cas he has to leave. Because of the secret about Zeke and not wanting Cas to tell Sam about it. I don't know how true it is but most of their spoilers have turned out to be legit.
Here I explain in detail why I think Cas will be fatally wounded and Ezekiel will have to take the matters into his own hands.I analyze the pictures also to support my facts.I would love to hear your thoughts on this. http://you-and-me-come-whatever.tumblr.com/post/64361510807/im-no-angel-speculation-you-duys-do-realize-that-cas
PS:I still don't say this is what's gonna happen but I believe it has a very good possibilty
Oh okay then. I must have read the spoiler wrong or something. I knew Dean was the one to tell Cas he couldn't stay but assumed the reason was because he didn't want Cas finding out about Zeke and risking him telling Sam about it. I wonder why Zeke would tell Dean to turn Cas away? Because he's afraid that the other angels hunting him would figure out he's using Sam as a vessel? Seems plausible.
Great analysis as usual Elena, and it all makes perfect sense. Jared does seem to be making his Zeke face in that photo so I think it's safe to assume that he shows up just in the nick of time to save Cas. My question is how the hell they're going to explain all of this. We already know that Zeke will wipe Sam's memory of this happening (poor Sam, he's going to think he's going nuts!) and either he's going to wipe Cas' memory of it too or maybe Cas was unconscious at that point and Zeke heals him and lets Sam take over again before Cas figures out the secret. How they explain to Cas how he got healed, if they do at all will be interesting. If he's memory wiped then there won't have to be any explanation but if he isn't...maybe Dean will act like Zeke showed up independent of Sam and say he left really fast. Either way, Dean's going to be doing a hell of a lot of lying. The plot thickens, folks.
10 bucks says Zeke is up to no good, that's why he doesn't want Cas around. Very possible that Zeke is not the real Zeke, coz Cas know Zeke way back, so if Cas stay around, he'll notice this is the fake Zeke
I agree your theory, and I think there's a bit more twist there. the angel knife Dean is holding I don't believe was in Cas, I think it's from him knifing an angel who's with april, coz the chair next to april is the one cas was tied to and tortured, but it appears to be without blood, maybe Dean and Sam broke in be4 Cas was tortured, then april stun both of them, start torturing Cas, then Zeke woke and kill april?
I think I know what April want now, She want Cas as vessel too, that's why she's been torturing him, forcing him to say yes, then when Cas refuse, fatally wound him, if he doesn't let her possess, he dies. So that's what this is about. But I still don't have a theory on why April need to rip Cas shirt open to do so, since when does Angel like to Sexually harass a person... Oh wait, maybe April is not angel, she's possessed by a demon? that makes sense, April would not just say yes to an angel, and the knife she use is stole from Cas. But what would a demon want from Cas, the location of Crowley?? I am contracdicting myself so bad
I have to wonder if they put out this much (which seems to be give away more than usual) because of the backlash over Cas kissing a woman. The people who were upset about it can now say, "Hey, she will be bad, that's OK," which...is sad to me, because I'd rather see Cas have a happy experience than yet more pain and misery and yet another "evil" woman who is there to die (and that poor actress is going to get so much fan hate...if any of you have Twitter, please consider telling her "great job" or something on Tuesday night).
This is the only way this story isn't going to completely disgust me and make me question why I should want these guys to have any relationships or why I should ever want any female characters on this show:
- The April who meets Cas and has sex with him is a real person, not possessed. - She is exorcised/angel is expelled, instead of being casually stabbed to death.
Anything else is going to be so awful. And it's so unnecessary.
And right after this, Dean is going to tell Cas to go off on his own? Wow. They've spent so much time this season telling viewers that Dean cares about Cas and sees him as family. Yet this is one of the worst things Cas has gone through, and he will be all alone. For all Dean knows, Cas could go kill himself.
if they put up spoilery photo because of the reason you say, it's good pr, but what better to do is, know what upset fans and avoid it :)
I hate to see her turn evil too, for reason you mentioned and because it is overdone like 10 million times on this show, please name one love interest of the boys who doesn't end up evil, ruby, madison, Anna, Dean's amazon one night stand, meg, bela... all I can some up is Amelia, which is way worst than the above.
I want to see Cas experience human life too, but girlfrd turning into an angel in no where near human life. I know April is a one off character, but they can always write her off in a more human way, like She has a change of heart and loss feeling towards Cas, or she treat him as one night stand only, or she get back to her ex bf etc. these are what happened in a real human life, and I'd like Cas to learn about that, not my gf tries to murder me crap.
About Dean being crappy to Cas, it's an ongoing theme anyway, started from season 6, every time Dean say Cas is like family to him, means he wants something from him, primarily saving his brother.Hypocrisy is one big characteristic of Dean. Dean left Cas to die in purgatory, command death to kill Cas without hesistation, left insane Cas in asylum with a demon, not even try to find defenseless human Cas and escort him to the bunker when he know all angels are looking for him, and he was currently with one (Hael) when they speak on phone. Dean did the same thing to Kevin as well, He didn't even try to find mama Tran. there is a posssiblity that mama tran is alive, and he refuse to capture a few demon to interrogate, or put out words to other hunters see if they heard anything, just said "she's dead even if she isn't". sure mama tran would be tortured and twisted and not herself anymore, but excuse me, at least she's not like Dean's brother who's been tortured by the devil himself, for a year! yet Dean was so determined to get Sam's soul back. Sam is Dean's family, just like mama tran is kevin's family, but nope, Sam is way more important than anyone, so what happened to Sam isn't applicable to mama tran. Sure Dean cares about Cas, I definitely believe he would die for Cas, but when it comes to Sam, anyone can be sacrificed. This is a man who killed his best friend Benny to save Sam, I totally believe he would kick Cas out the bunker in case he draw any danger to Sam.
The rest, I agree (although he didn't have a lot of choice with asking Death to kill Cas), but they've gone out of their way in the first two episodes to emphasize that Dean cares a great deal for Cas and wants him to be safe. No, he didn't go and find him, but he had too much else going on at the time and still does.
I get that Dean will always put Sam first. That's the show. But to have to many reminders of Dean seeing Cas as such an important part of their lives, and then asking him to leave after he's been stabbed and would likely be dead if not for Ezekiel? I just have a really tough time buying this.
Dean did leave Cas in Purgatory. sure the truth was Cas chose to stay behind, but the way Dean rmb what happen in purgatory was he can't hold on to Cas's hand, so Cas fell and was left there,and still alive. But he did nothing when he get topside, no trying to find a way to bring someone from purgatory, just pretend Cas is gone.
" But to have to many reminders of Dean seeing Cas as such an important part of their lives, and then asking him to leave after he's been stabbed and would likely be dead if not for Ezekiel? I just have a really tough time buying this." that's why I say the show portray Dean as a hypocrite. He cares nothing except his brother.
Well that's the thing. Sam is his family. Dean may consider other people to be a part of that extended family, but Sam is blood. And hell yes he would sacrifice anyone for him. This has been a mainstay of his characteristics since season one, I don't know why people are so surprised by this fact in season nine. If anything I thought that the guilt over him leaving Cas in Purgatory was way out of character for Dean anyway. Up until the season seven finale, he was so pissed off at Cas for almost killing his brother that he didn't care if he was broken and still hadn't forgiven him, even when Sam had. Then all of a sudden he's waiting around in Purgatory for him and feeling guilty about leaving him there. What the hell changed in one episode that he's all of a sudden giving a crap about what happened to Castiel? After nine seasons one thing I do know about Dean Winchester is that if you mess with his brother, you're pretty much dead to him.
Oh that's a good theory. The one about the angel in April wanting to use Cas as a vessel. I like that. I wonder why all the angels seem to want him as a vessel though, considering he's persona non grata amongst the other angels. I guess because he's durable or something.
That's the thing I don't about Dean, he has this sort of "discrimination" going on in his so call "family", so Sam is "blood family", way more important than the "extended family" e.g. bobby, benny, Cas, Kevin, and the way I see it, Sam is more impoartant that Dean's other blood family, their parents. So Dean say you are his family, but you are only "low level" family, when Sam is in danger, all of you can be sacrificed. I am not saying that it is wrong to treat Sam as the most important thing, but if so, don't tell any other person that you treat them like a brother, because you don't, it feels very hypocritic and sounds like Dean just trying to use them.
I agree with you, Dean suddenly forgive Cas (plus Cas suddenly metally sane) is without explaination, but the bigger problem is, since the show established that Dean feels survior guilt, they should stick to it, but instead, Dean blame Sam didn't look for him in purgatory, while Dean himself didn't look for Cas in purgatory. at leaset Sam didn't know if Dean's alive and where did he go, while Dean on the other hand did know where Cas is, and know he's still alive. hypocrite Dean strikes again.
The thing this show bugs me is they always tell audience Dean is righteous, but what they actually show is Dean is a hypocrite.
Yeah, I hear you but part of what makes Dean, well, Dean is the fact that he has flaws. He's a very flawed hero type that you root for regardless because he tries to do the right thing. He holds grudges like nobody's business (really, Dean...still blaming Sam for not having a soul when it wasn't even his fault?) but he's loyal to a fault at the same time. I think a major issue with his codependency issues with Sam is that he's been tasked with protecting him since he was four years old. He's as much Sam's surrogate father as he is his older brother. John would leave Sam with him for weeks at a time when he went on hunts and he's fiercely protective of him because of this. It's not a healthy relationship at all, but it's all he knows.
I don't think it was out of character for Dean to feel so guilty about Cas or to look for him. This was his clearest, best chance to do something right, and simple, and heroic. To find his close friend. It was slashing and killing and way out. No ambiguity or tough choices. And then he ends up feeling abandoned, the way he's been abandoned so many times in his life. He couldn't deal with that. So he blamed himself instead.
The whole point of Dean's relationship with Cas is that it was never supposed to happen. Even now, Cas doesn't really fit into what their life is supposed to be, but Dean misses him and doesn't feel the same without him. Cas made amends, repeatedly, for what he did to Sam. I think what hurt Dean almost as much as what happened to Sam was that Dean trusted him, and he doesn't trust easily. I thought Dean working through this was tremendous character growth.
I don't think ANYONE is surprised that Dean puts Sam first, but there are ways to do this that make more writing sense and don't come across as just excuses for yet more angst. Why do they always need to have this angst with Dean and Cas where Cas has to go (why can't Cas just leave for a while on good terms w/Dean)? Too much angst is one of the reasons Dean and Sam's relationship has run into such writing problems.
It's weird that Castiel has an injured shoulder after the bus fight but his shirt is ok again when he is with April later. Are the pictures out of order?
That's why I don't think it is a good idea for Dean to elevate all his friends to his "family" b/c it is clear that Sam will always come above those "other family members," which is perfectly fine to me. It makes sense. When written IN CHARACTER, Sam feels the same way about Dean.
I think that's why I have such a hard time buying that Dean thinks of Ellen, Jo, Charlie, Cas, Benny, and Kevin as "family" b/c I know what he's done for Sam, and I don't honestly believe he would do the same for those people. Dean wouldn't sell his soul for Kevin. He wouldn't seek out Death (by actually dying) for Charlie. He wouldn't threaten to murder X if X laid a hand on Ellen. I don't know. These "family" declarations simply don't work for me. They feel hollow.
And to be clear - I have no problem w/Dean expanding his family. My issue - as always - is more w/the writers than "Dean." The only "family" reference that actually worked (for me) and made sense was Bobby.
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Kinda disappointed that it appears show's decided to go the 'April's evil!' route but I'll reserve judgement til I've actually seen the ep.
ReplyDeleteSam looks GREAT in pink.
REALLY disappointed that April turns out to be an enemy. I JUST WANT ONE NICE THING TO HAPPEN TO CAS JFC. Misha looks really good though.
ReplyDeleteinteresting to finally see Cas without his trenchcoat and in different clothes...
ReplyDeleteNoooooooooooo :'( She is torturing him and he is human :'O Dammit...Poor Cas...Btw,did anyone else catch the Ezekiel vibes from the last photo ??I think it's Ezekiel taking over.
ReplyDeleteWAIT.Oh damn.Now that I see the picture of Cas and April she has stabbed him with the Angel Blade TOO DEEP :O I think he will be on the verge of death and Ezekiel will heal him!!!
ReplyDeleteI think Ezekiel will definately need to help out!. Aw poor Cas, I hope he gets back on his feet after this episode.
ReplyDeleteAlso I totally forgot!!!It's Ezekiel who tells Dean about Cas!!!We know that from the synopsis.So we'll definitely gonna see Zeke---->"Ezekiel tells Dean a group of angels is hunting Castiel. Dean and Sam race to find their friend before the angels do. Meanwhile, a homeless Castiel is trying to make his way through the city and comes across some unexpected surprises."
ReplyDeleteI didn't know that. Sounds interesting!
ReplyDeleteI don't think April is evil; I think she just gets possessed by an angel, which is unfortunate for both her and Cas.
ReplyDeleteIf that happens (Zeke healing Cas) then I'm really confused because it goes against what Misha has said in some recent interviews. He mentioned something about Cas hearing on Angel Radio that the other angels are looking for Zeke because he helped the Winchesters and Castiel has no idea that he's using Sam as a vessel and won't for a long time. I don't think he finds out until Sam does, which is the mid-season break from everything I've heard. I kind of got the impression that this is why Dean sends him away from the bunker. He's afraid that Cas will tell Sam about Zeke and Sam will eject him or something to that effect. I know Misha likes to mess with fandom but I don't think he'd lie about something this big.
ReplyDeleteYes, that does look like Jared making his Zeke face to me. Which is odd considering what Misha said about Castiel not knowing about Zeke using Sam as a vessel. I'm so confuzzled. lol
ReplyDeleteI agree with everything you said, I just don't think Cas will know but wouldn't he suspect something up with Sam or Dean being less open with him?. I think it will take him a bit to figure out why Zeke is the hot topic on radio.
ReplyDeleteWow, way to spoil everything in the promotion photos. Too bad April is an angel, but maybe she was possessed, I just don't get why she say yes, maybe be Cas was under attack and She thought letting an angel possess her can help?
ReplyDeleteMy guess is Cas have to knife her himself, you know in case he's life is not tragic enough. But I do remember there is an exorcism spell that can expell angel from it's vessel and send them back to heaven, Alastir used it once, I guess Cas know that too, but maybe coz angels cant go back to heaven now, the spell won't work.
I do think no matter what Zeke has to mindwipe Cas, coz besides Dean and Zeke, he's the only one knows that Sam once hospitalize and Zeke was there to help, I wonder if Zeke wipe this horrible April encounter from Cas too, so he wouldn't be so sad
ReplyDeleteMaybe Cas will be unconscious when he does it and will just assume that Zeke showed up independent of Sam? I have no idea how this is going to play out.
ReplyDeleteAn inside source has hinted that it's actually Dean who makes the decision to tell Cas he has to leave. Because of the secret about Zeke and not wanting Cas to tell Sam about it. I don't know how true it is but most of their spoilers have turned out to be legit.
ReplyDeleteNo, what happens is that Ezekiel decides that Cas can't stay, but Dean is the one that tells him.
ReplyDeleteHere I explain in detail why I think Cas will be fatally wounded and Ezekiel will have to take the matters into his own hands.I analyze the pictures also to support my facts.I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
ReplyDeletehttp://you-and-me-come-whatever.tumblr.com/post/64361510807/im-no-angel-speculation-you-duys-do-realize-that-cas
PS:I still don't say this is what's gonna happen but I believe it has a very good possibilty
Oh okay then. I must have read the spoiler wrong or something. I knew Dean was the one to tell Cas he couldn't stay but assumed the reason was because he didn't want Cas finding out about Zeke and risking him telling Sam about it. I wonder why Zeke would tell Dean to turn Cas away? Because he's afraid that the other angels hunting him would figure out he's using Sam as a vessel? Seems plausible.
ReplyDeletehaha! "zeke face"
ReplyDeleteGreat analysis as usual Elena, and it all makes perfect sense. Jared does seem to be making his Zeke face in that photo so I think it's safe to assume that he shows up just in the nick of time to save Cas. My question is how the hell they're going to explain all of this. We already know that Zeke will wipe Sam's memory of this happening (poor Sam, he's going to think he's going nuts!) and either he's going to wipe Cas' memory of it too or maybe Cas was unconscious at that point and Zeke heals him and lets Sam take over again before Cas figures out the secret. How they explain to Cas how he got healed, if they do at all will be interesting. If he's memory wiped then there won't have to be any explanation but if he isn't...maybe Dean will act like Zeke showed up independent of Sam and say he left really fast. Either way, Dean's going to be doing a hell of a lot of lying. The plot thickens, folks.
ReplyDeleteYes, I'm coining it the Zeke Face ™. It's trademarked and everything! LOL
ReplyDeleteha! it is trademarked! hilarious. Then in honor of your genius, I shall call it that as well
ReplyDelete10 bucks says Zeke is up to no good, that's why he doesn't want Cas around. Very possible that Zeke is not the real Zeke, coz Cas know Zeke way back, so if Cas stay around, he'll notice this is the fake Zeke
ReplyDeleteI was thinking the same thing. Maybe he's an imposter.
ReplyDeleteI agree your theory, and I think there's a bit more twist there. the angel knife Dean is holding I don't believe was in Cas, I think it's from him knifing an angel who's with april, coz the chair next to april is the one cas was tied to and tortured, but it appears to be without blood, maybe Dean and Sam broke in be4 Cas was tortured, then april stun both of them, start torturing Cas, then Zeke woke and kill april?
ReplyDeleteI think I know what April want now, She want Cas as vessel too, that's why she's been torturing him, forcing him to say yes, then when Cas refuse, fatally wound him, if he doesn't let her possess, he dies. So that's what this is about.
ReplyDeleteBut I still don't have a theory on why April need to rip Cas shirt open to do so, since when does Angel like to Sexually harass a person... Oh wait, maybe April is not angel, she's possessed by a demon? that makes sense, April would not just say yes to an angel, and the knife she use is stole from Cas. But what would a demon want from Cas, the location of Crowley??
I am contracdicting myself so bad
which could be interesting in terms of Samziekiel in this episode
ReplyDeletemaybe he isnt in the same room at the time?
ReplyDeleteI have to wonder if they put out this much (which seems to be give away more than usual) because of the backlash over Cas kissing a woman. The people who were upset about it can now say, "Hey, she will be bad, that's OK," which...is sad to me, because I'd rather see Cas have a happy experience than yet more pain and misery and yet another "evil" woman who is there to die (and that poor actress is going to get so much fan hate...if any of you have Twitter, please consider telling her "great job" or something on Tuesday night).
ReplyDeleteThis is the only way this story isn't going to completely disgust me and make me question why I should want these guys to have any relationships or why I should ever want any female characters on this show:
- The April who meets Cas and has sex with him is a real person, not possessed.
- She is exorcised/angel is expelled, instead of being casually stabbed to death.
Anything else is going to be so awful. And it's so unnecessary.
And right after this, Dean is going to tell Cas to go off on his own? Wow. They've spent so much time this season telling viewers that Dean cares about Cas and sees him as family. Yet this is one of the worst things Cas has gone through, and he will be all alone. For all Dean knows, Cas could go kill himself.
I just don't get it.
if they put up spoilery photo because of the reason you say, it's good pr, but what better to do is, know what upset fans and avoid it :)
ReplyDeleteI hate to see her turn evil too, for reason you mentioned and because it is overdone like 10 million times on this show, please name one love interest of the boys who doesn't end up evil, ruby, madison, Anna, Dean's amazon one night stand, meg, bela... all I can some up is Amelia, which is way worst than the above.
I want to see Cas experience human life too, but girlfrd turning into an angel in no where near human life. I know April is a one off character, but they can always write her off in a more human way, like She has a change of heart and loss feeling towards Cas, or she treat him as one night stand only, or she get back to her ex bf etc. these are what happened in a real human life, and I'd like Cas to learn about that, not my gf tries to murder me crap.
About Dean being crappy to Cas, it's an ongoing theme anyway, started from season 6, every time Dean say Cas is like family to him, means he wants something from him, primarily saving his brother.Hypocrisy is one big characteristic of Dean. Dean left Cas to die in purgatory, command death to kill Cas without hesistation, left insane Cas in asylum with a demon, not even try to find defenseless human Cas and escort him to the bunker when he know all angels are looking for him, and he was currently with one (Hael) when they speak on phone. Dean did the same thing to Kevin as well, He didn't even try to find mama Tran. there is a posssiblity that mama tran is alive, and he refuse to capture a few demon to interrogate, or put out words to other hunters see if they heard anything, just said "she's dead even if she isn't". sure mama tran would be tortured and twisted and not herself anymore, but excuse me, at least she's not like Dean's brother who's been tortured by the devil himself, for a year! yet Dean was so determined to get Sam's soul back. Sam is Dean's family, just like mama tran is kevin's family, but nope, Sam is way more important than anyone, so what happened to Sam isn't applicable to mama tran.
Sure Dean cares about Cas, I definitely believe he would die for Cas, but when it comes to Sam, anyone can be sacrificed. This is a man who killed his best friend Benny to save Sam, I totally believe he would kick Cas out the bunker in case he draw any danger to Sam.
Dean didn't leave Cas in Purgatory.
ReplyDeleteThe rest, I agree (although he didn't have a lot of choice with asking Death to kill Cas), but they've gone out of their way in the first two episodes to emphasize that Dean cares a great deal for Cas and wants him to be safe. No, he didn't go and find him, but he had too much else going on at the time and still does.
I get that Dean will always put Sam first. That's the show. But to have to many reminders of Dean seeing Cas as such an important part of their lives, and then asking him to leave after he's been stabbed and would likely be dead if not for Ezekiel? I just have a really tough time buying this.
Dean did leave Cas in Purgatory. sure the truth was Cas chose to stay behind, but the way Dean rmb what happen in purgatory was he can't hold on to Cas's hand, so Cas fell and was left there,and still alive. But he did nothing when he get topside, no trying to find a way to bring someone from purgatory, just pretend Cas is gone.
ReplyDelete" But to have to many reminders of Dean seeing Cas as such an important part of their lives, and then asking him to leave after he's been stabbed and would likely be dead if not for Ezekiel? I just have a really tough time buying this."
that's why I say the show portray Dean as a hypocrite. He cares nothing except his brother.
Thank you!!!Yea,we're definitely in for one hell of a ride ;)
ReplyDeleteWell that's the thing. Sam is his family. Dean may consider other people to be a part of that extended family, but Sam is blood. And hell yes he would sacrifice anyone for him. This has been a mainstay of his characteristics since season one, I don't know why people are so surprised by this fact in season nine. If anything I thought that the guilt over him leaving Cas in Purgatory was way out of character for Dean anyway. Up until the season seven finale, he was so pissed off at Cas for almost killing his brother that he didn't care if he was broken and still hadn't forgiven him, even when Sam had. Then all of a sudden he's waiting around in Purgatory for him and feeling guilty about leaving him there. What the hell changed in one episode that he's all of a sudden giving a crap about what happened to Castiel? After nine seasons one thing I do know about Dean Winchester is that if you mess with his brother, you're pretty much dead to him.
ReplyDeleteOh that's a good theory. The one about the angel in April wanting to use Cas as a vessel. I like that. I wonder why all the angels seem to want him as a vessel though, considering he's persona non grata amongst the other angels. I guess because he's durable or something.
ReplyDeleteThat's the thing I don't about Dean, he has this sort of "discrimination" going on in his so call "family", so Sam is "blood family", way more important than the "extended family" e.g. bobby, benny, Cas, Kevin, and the way I see it, Sam is more impoartant that Dean's other blood family, their parents. So Dean say you are his family, but you are only "low level" family, when Sam is in danger, all of you can be sacrificed. I am not saying that it is wrong to treat Sam as the most important thing, but if so, don't tell any other person that you treat them like a brother, because you don't, it feels very hypocritic and sounds like Dean just trying to use them.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, Dean suddenly forgive Cas (plus Cas suddenly metally sane) is without explaination, but the bigger problem is, since the show established that Dean feels survior guilt, they should stick to it, but instead, Dean blame Sam didn't look for him in purgatory, while Dean himself didn't look for Cas in purgatory. at leaset Sam didn't know if Dean's alive and where did he go, while Dean on the other hand did know where Cas is, and know he's still alive. hypocrite Dean strikes again.
The thing this show bugs me is they always tell audience Dean is righteous, but what they actually show is Dean is a hypocrite.
Yeah, I hear you but part of what makes Dean, well, Dean is the fact that he has flaws. He's a very flawed hero type that you root for regardless because he tries to do the right thing. He holds grudges like nobody's business (really, Dean...still blaming Sam for not having a soul when it wasn't even his fault?) but he's loyal to a fault at the same time. I think a major issue with his codependency issues with Sam is that he's been tasked with protecting him since he was four years old. He's as much Sam's surrogate father as he is his older brother. John would leave Sam with him for weeks at a time when he went on hunts and he's fiercely protective of him because of this. It's not a healthy relationship at all, but it's all he knows.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it was out of character for Dean to feel so guilty about Cas or to look for him. This was his clearest, best chance to do something right, and simple, and heroic. To find his close friend. It was slashing and killing and way out. No ambiguity or tough choices. And then he ends up feeling abandoned, the way he's been abandoned so many times in his life. He couldn't deal with that. So he blamed himself instead.
ReplyDeleteThe whole point of Dean's relationship with Cas is that it was never supposed to happen. Even now, Cas doesn't really fit into what their life is supposed to be, but Dean misses him and doesn't feel the same without him. Cas made amends, repeatedly, for what he did to Sam. I think what hurt Dean almost as much as what happened to Sam was that Dean trusted him, and he doesn't trust easily. I thought Dean working through this was tremendous character growth.
I don't think ANYONE is surprised that Dean puts Sam first, but there are ways to do this that make more writing sense and don't come across as just excuses for yet more angst. Why do they always need to have this angst with Dean and Cas where Cas has to go (why can't Cas just leave for a while on good terms w/Dean)? Too much angst is one of the reasons Dean and Sam's relationship has run into such writing problems.
It's weird that Castiel has an injured shoulder after the bus fight but his shirt is ok again when he is with April later. Are the pictures out of order?
ReplyDeleteYes, I've always felt that Sam and Dean give off a father-son vibe at times. It's my (head) explanation for why Sam never punches him back. Haha!
ReplyDeleteMakes sense to me.
ReplyDeleteZeke is still healing Sam, and Dean wouldn't want to risk Sam expelling Zeke before Sam is fully healed.
That's why I don't think it is a good idea for Dean to elevate all his friends to his "family" b/c it is clear that Sam will always come above those "other family members," which is perfectly fine to me. It makes sense. When written IN CHARACTER, Sam feels the same way about Dean.
ReplyDeleteI think that's why I have such a hard time buying that Dean thinks of Ellen, Jo, Charlie, Cas, Benny, and Kevin as "family" b/c I know what he's done for Sam, and I don't honestly believe he would do the same for those people. Dean wouldn't sell his soul for Kevin. He wouldn't seek out Death (by actually dying) for Charlie. He wouldn't threaten to murder X if X laid a hand on Ellen. I don't know. These "family" declarations simply don't work for me. They feel hollow.
And to be clear - I have no problem w/Dean expanding his family. My issue - as always - is more w/the writers than "Dean." The only "family" reference that actually worked (for me) and made sense was Bobby.
That also makes sense! Why doesn't Zeke want Cas around though?
ReplyDeleteThat could be it!
ReplyDeleteIt would suck b/c I was hoping we'd finally meet a nice angel w/o no hidden agenda!