Today's Early Overnight Ratings
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CBS Numbers will be slightly inflated due to Football, the CW ratings will also be slightly inflated.
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Marc Berman.
Monday 10/21/13 Metered Markets
ABC Wins; NBC Poised for Young Adult Victory
Household
Rating/Share
ABC 8.4/13
NBC 7.9/13
CBS 4.6/ 7
Fox 3.7/ 6
CW 1.0/ 1
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Note: The comparisons to one year earlier are excluded because the year-ago evening featured the third (and finale) live Presidential Debate between President Barack Obama and Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney.
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-Winners:
“Dancing With the Stars” (ABC), “The Voice” (NBC), “The Blacklist” (NBC), “Castle” (ABC)
-Honorable Mention:
“How I Met Your Mother” (CBS), “Bones” (Fox)
-Losers (excluding repeats):
“Hart of Dixie” (CW), “Beauty and the Beast” (CW), “Hostages” (CBS)
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-Ratings Breakdown:
ABC led the Monday household overnights, beating solid No. 2 NBC by six percent. But NBC will own the evening once again in adults 18-49 (and all key demos) thanks to its combination of “The Voice” (#2: 8.5 rating/13 share from 8-10 p.m.) and “The Blacklist” (#2: 6.8/12 at 10 p.m.), which was one-tenth of a rating point behind competing “Castle” on ABC (6.9/12). Comparatively, “The Voice” built by nine percent year-to-year in the overnights (versus a 7.8/11 versus a one-hour edition on 10/22/12).
“Dancing With the Stars” took top-rated overnight honors of the evening with a 9.2/14 from 8-10 p.m. (peaking in the 9 p.m. half-hour with a 9.5/15). One year earlier, a one-hour edition of the now veteran Tom Bergeron-hosted reality/competition scored a similar 9.8/15 at 8 p.m.
Over at re-tooled CBS, week two of “2 Broke Girls” back in its original 8:30 p.m. time period finished fourth with a 5.1/ 8 in the overnights (and 96 percent retention for the 5.3/ 8 for lead-in “How I Met Your Mother”). While the retention among adults 18-49 will not be as strong, “2 Broke Girls” is a vast improvement from recent entry “We Are Men” (as well as failed year-ago time period occupant “Partners”).
Next on the Eye net was a repeat of “The Big Bang Theory” at a third-place 5.2/ 8 at 9 p.m., followed by a typical 4.7/ 7 from “Mom” at 9:30 p.m. (#3), which was flat from the prior three telecasts. Freshman drama “Hostages,” unfortunately, remained at bust at 10 pm. with a very distant third-place 3.5/ 6.
Fox was below average for the evening because of an encore of the pilot episode of “Sleepy Hollow,” which scored a 2.2/ 3 in the overnights at 9 p.m. (#4) out of a very respectable 5.2/ 8 at 8 p.m. (#3t) for lead-in “Bones.” And The CW remained out of the competitive loop with its relocated combination of “Hart of Dixie” (#5: 1.1/ 2) and “Beauty and the Beast” (#5: 0.8/ 1), which should never have been granted a second season.
Source: Nielsen Media Research data
Source: Marc Berman@tvmediainsights
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Any particular reason for oct. 23rd being up there ?
ReplyDeleteWith this monday night raitings The CW was should renewed 90210 to this year in some night in 20:00 and it was with bettet raitings , im sure!
ReplyDeleteHa oops, put tomorrows in there by mistake. Should be fixed now. Thanks for letting me know.
ReplyDeletestuff like that can happen ^^
ReplyDeleteyou're welcome :P
or simply cancelled both and replaced it with a new set of shows ? Sounds like a pretty bad idea as well but the way BatB and HoD are doing I can actually see theCW pull the plug any second now.
ReplyDeleteThey should've put BatB on friday nights, where it could either have had the chance to recover or die but in this slot there seems to be little to no hope for the show.
The only thing I can see working for theCW is them reviving well known shows and putting them in the monday slot.
Personally I'd dig 'Faith - The Vampire Slayer', a fourth season of Veronica Mars or theCW picking up Leverage.
It's not like there's no hope for that slot
Just because these shows are failing doesn't mean 90210 wouldn't have failed as well. But to be honest I think you have a point that they would have been better of with Hart of Dixie/90210 because at least with 90210 they would get a tiny bit of the loss back in syndication whereas I doubt Beauty reaches that.
ReplyDeleteok , i have to say i'm not good the ratings ...but if you don't mind me asking .... only ratings count for a show ???...i mean if a show wants another season - it only gets one because of the good ratings or there are more things taken into account ????... i 'd be really greatfull if you were helping me ;)
ReplyDeleteVery hard to extrapolate anything from these today. The Blacklist appears to have fallen a bit but we shall see. I still think it is idiotic of FOX to have wasted this Bones episode on a lead-in but whatever .
ReplyDeleteI really hope Bones' numbers are in the high 2s, at the very least, and that it beat DWTS.
ReplyDeleteBeauty and the Beast if a goner.
ReplyDeleteIn regards to BatB they should have stipulated to the Canadian market that they weren't allowed to air it before the US, also BatB's numbers have been down due to being preempted in 2 out of the 3 biggest markets for CW affiliates (NYC/NJ and Chicago) because of football (notice the slight uptick for week 2 when that wasn't the case). I feel they should have moved it to Fridays and let Nikita's last 6 episodes be it's lead in. The two shows actually have a ton in common. But it is what it is.
ReplyDeleteIMO, CW already knew Mondays where gonna be a death slot as it is Fridays for them, they just didnt want to risk their most popular shows and decided to butcher HOD/BATB. And since we are not the Gods of ratings when it comes to the CW who knows, they might still get some kind of revenue from these two shows from somewhere else, since when it comes to CW renewals we do know its not only based on ratings but all other factors.
ReplyDeleteCastle also air in Canada a day earlier, but that has no effect on it's ratings.
ReplyDeleteLOL ok!
ReplyDeleteYou can never be to sure when it comes to the CW and a show that has a passionate fan base, especially one with an overactive online prescence, does well in the international markets like Canada and Brasil, and generates tons of money via iTunes, Amazon and Hulu. Not to mention directly on it's site and via it online streaming app. Don't count BatB out for the count just yet.
ReplyDeleteCastle is also on ABC, has a few more years of an established fan base as well as better promotion.
ReplyDeleteThe ratings for BatB where bad last season too BUT the fandom is very activ in tweeter, getclue and elsewhere. We are winning a lot of internet polls and all of this counting for the CW, because BatB as a big international Fandom. Important are the viewings of the CW page too, so the ratings are just a part of CW shows, specially because people with this nielson box get count in ratings. ^^ So we will not give up and even try to get our third season. Many people giving the second season a second chance and people, who are disliked season 1 LOVE season 2 ^^
ReplyDeleteCastle has no promotion from ABC !
ReplyDeleteI dont think it all backs on the airing in CA, I think it has to do with the show being more popular streaming and online rather than live, BATB first season, after its first day of releasing on Netflix was #4 most viewed shows, the dvd was a sold out at my local Walmart store, guess they didnt expect people to go and look for the dvd as opposed to TVD or SPN, they had lots of dvds, so as long as the CW and CBS studios make money out of it, we are fine!
ReplyDeleteHe is just a "hater". Ignore him. He always write this under the ratings, probably did it last season too AND we have our second season. Ignore people like this and keep rooaring vor our baby. We where Seven on Trendrr, so we even won a place
ReplyDeleteActually the promotion for Castle from ABC is very very poor! It always has been and probably always will be. Very dissappointing considering the fact that it became a very strong show for them.
ReplyDeleteThat idea that it is not based on ratings but other factors is PR only. Ratings and syndications are the explanation for renewals and cancellations on the CW in 90% of the cases. Cost concerns, scheduling issues and other forms of revenue such as online and DVDs could make up for the remaining 10%.
ReplyDeleteSo what? If it has no effect, it has no effect, regardless of it being a 0.1 rating or a 5.0 rating.
ReplyDeleteThat has nothing to do with it. It has been proven over and over again that shows that are released online earlier don't see its ratings negatively impacted. Networks are not crazy, they would not make pilots available earlier on if it did make a difference.
ReplyDeleteRepeating a show for the entire summer is probably one of the best kinds of promotion you can get from the network.
ReplyDeleteHaving a passionate fan base makes no difference whatsoever when it comes to the renewal prospects of the show. Please present figures of that "tons of money" via iTunes, Amazon and Hulu and don't forget that you need to present figures for the other CW shows for it to have any impact, or else you cannot classify it as huge because you don't know the relative standing. BatB could be renewed if the CW wants a 10th hour of scripted programming on Fridays like they did with TCD this year, but that is it's only shot right now.
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't the entire summer...
ReplyDeleteWhy a hater? I've watched more than half of the first season of BatB, quality or preferences having nothing to do with it, we are juts commenting on the ratings. BatB is doing terribly on the ratings!
ReplyDeleteI don't expect to see such a huge bounce. Mid 2s would the best bet but even so, I am not sure there are that many people turning in that don't do it regularly. We shall see.
ReplyDeleteRatings and syndication prospects (as in # episodes) account for about 90% of the decisions. Other factors such a cost differentials, scheduling issues, other revenue streams and DVDs count for about 10% of the decisions.
ReplyDeleteI thought they repeated it the entire summer on Sundays, no? Regardless, it was certainly the most repeated show on ABC, so my point still stands.
ReplyDeleteWhen we see how the other new shows do in the CW, then we will talk about ratings. Obviously if you have all the CW shows doing .8 or over 1 then the will be renewed by default. But CW let some shows develop more than any other show and wont pull them out until 12 episodes maybe. HoD, BATB, TCD they all doing almost the same rating wise, so lets see by mid season. But thats fine I love BATB but if they pull it out then be it, it just bothers me that some people just wait for any BATB post to start spewing how much it is bad blah blah just because they dont like the show, I dont watch many many shows that I find super bad but I dont go on the website spewing negative comments about it, I just dont comment and let the fans enjoy their show it doesnt
ReplyDeleteBut it's really not PR, especially with the push that's coming for making every "screen" count towards viewership. We all watch TV in a vastly different way then we did 50 or even 10 years ago especially the key demo of 18-36, so the industry is trying to keep up. I mean Nielsen uses twitter to factor in things for a show for crying out loud.
ReplyDeleteI think Castle will be about a 2.0, possibly adjusting down (along with DWTS) because I think it was preempted somewhere (the hh is lower this week). The Blacklist also looks lower, but usually the hh doesn´t much to them. Bones, I think will be well above 2.0.
ReplyDeleteyou and me both.
ReplyDeleteYes but it seems a constant attacking against us BATB fans since last season, because the show is very popular even here its always in the most popular shows, twitter, etc. that proves there is a majority of people streaming the show online and being very popular on the internet.
ReplyDeleteWell you have a point there, I have to admit. :)
ReplyDeleteBut still other than that, active promotion like showing promos during big event airings or so was never really in the cards for Castle. I think (or at least I got the feeling) that it was promoted in a better way in its first season (which is probably normal since they want the show to kick off) but not much since then. Though I have to say the promotion on twitter was quite good last season but sadly twitter isn't the most important platform for that.
But anyway, I think we're doing quite good so I'm not complaining. :)
No. Do not confuse measuring viewership and tweets etc with what counts to renewal ratings. Advertisers only pay when you watch a show with commercials. If the entire world were to tweet about a certain show and nobody watched it live (or C3 to be accurate), that show would be worth 0$ for the advertisers and would be cancelled. You are a victim of PR mind tricks.
ReplyDeleteYou can't make a guess at the demo based on these HH numbers. That's not how it works. Just wait for the final numbers to come in.
ReplyDeleteactually in this particular case, early release does negatively impact it directly due to Monday night football and the people who watch knowing it is more than likely going to be preempted so why not catch it on a live stream or use tunnel bear or torrents to download the show and not have to wait until Tuesday to catch up. NYC didn't get to watch the season 2 premiere until the following Friday.
ReplyDeletecompare to CW promotion I bet it's a ton more.
ReplyDeleteI get that, but again, I think repeating a show is the best kind of support a network can give to a show as its the best way to expose it to get new viewers. It is normal that they don't promote veteran shows so much in awards season and such. I think it was well promoted in the first two seasons, after that it was a bit left on his own. You also don't see Grey's vastly promoted for instance .Last year, during the Oscars they focused on OUAT, Scandal, Nashville and Red Widow, all freshman or sophomore shows. I think they do a fine job and I am very glad that Castle is doing so well this year.
ReplyDeleteBut saying that Beauty and the Beast is very likely to be cancelled, which is what he said, has nothing to do with preferences for the show. It's a matter analysis of ratings and its consequences.
ReplyDeleteThe amount of people that are actually affected by that situation is very small. See: NBC's online release of Revolution's pilot last year and the huge rating pulled by the show. Statistically speaking, it is not a significant event.
ReplyDeleteno they don't because just people with this Nielson box getting counted and just the watcher in the USA. So it is a big think, and it is bad, but that doesn't mean we get canceled. Not on a CW show. So maybe just stop annoying us because you and omabin writing it every week and I am sure you just wanne hit the Fandom with that. You don't like BatB? Than be happy in silent
ReplyDeleteIt is something. And you are always just like: It get canceled, it get canceled. and we are big at other thinks. Will us give that another season? We don't know but we try. And last season wasn't that good either. Yeah they are worser this time, but they get up. They could go faster up and of course everyone of the fandom would be more happy when we had a better rating but we are not done
ReplyDeletethanks for response. what is frustrating for us who do watch and love BATB is a) the show gets no promotion whatsoever, nothing/ nada- only the fans try to promote it and are doing a good job but it is not enough b) the show is brilliant now, it really has improved from last season majorly (the reviews say that as well) but if people do not know about it they won't watch c) it is on mondays (probably worst day) with a weak and an irrelevant lead (HOD) d) it is pre-empted nearly every week. I have read all your comments here and I have to agree, I don't know much about how networks operate but let's face it money is a key thing and if advertisers pay much less for the BATB slot, it will be cancelled (at the moment is the weakest show ratings wise). The only way it wont be cancelled is a)if ratings go up (which I doubt based on the above), b) reign and carrie diaries and mid season shows all flop (but really how much worse than 0.3 could they do...)
ReplyDeleteAs I said what is really frustrating is that probably this is now the best show on the cw, it has improved majorly. not sure if you have watched season 2 but it is a very very good show now.
Glass half full: Honestly, at least CW mondays haven't fallen any lower as of this point
ReplyDeletewell in germany we say: Methinks thou dost protest too much.
ReplyDeleteI never said you would be one, but by getting yourself in here, I think I hit a nerve. Why are you always just commenting about the batb ratings and not about ALL shows. So BatB Fandom can see you as haters because it always is just about BatB
Yes, they do. And I'm sorry to say, but international viewers hardly matter.
ReplyDeleteIt not about me not liking the show, if my favorite show was getting such abysmal ratings, I'd be saying the same thing.
Last season, it never got lower than a 0.5, and was on the bubble for The CW, but it start this season with a series low of 0.3.
ReplyDeleteI think it's too early to tell (and Tuesday at 9 is a really tough slot for the CW), but I don't know.
ReplyDeleteTo honest, I'm only expecting 2.2-2.6. I just wish they would be higher. That's all.
ReplyDeleteBoth Omabin and Babar DO discuss ratings for most of the other shows. I have no idea why you think they don't.
ReplyDeleteComing on after DWTS is almost as good as promotion, although the show has been stable even as DWTS has slowly withered.
ReplyDeleteI comment about the ratings of all shows I find relevant. Out of the monday shows, excluding Hostages, Beauty and the Beast's situation is the most interesting ratings wise because it is the most likely to be cancelled. I could come up here and say "2 Broke Girls will be renewed" but that has very little interest to say. People usually comment on shows doing exceptionally well or exceptionally good. In any case, I didn't even start a topic on Beauty and the Beast, just commented on its lousy ratings the same way I commented on Castle very stable and good ratings.
ReplyDeleteI do comment about other shows as @Ross said. However, I need the 18 to 49 ratings for those to come in before I can discuss them.
ReplyDeleteThat's fair ;) I am right there with you hoping for the best!
ReplyDeleteyou call HoD Irrelevant but Batb can barely muster 1 million viewers.
ReplyDeleteWith live +3 for their premieres Batb got a .447 in 18-49.
HoD got a .632.
HoD is by no means a top performer but its cheap and has an audience, but TVD was a top performer and batb still floundered, fans cried it's the slot!
now it's the lead in and the slot!
by the end of the season they were both(Hod &Batb) about even in demo.
if both had bottomed out as they probably expected, they thought maybe they'd be in better shape than last year.
it's not the slot, it's the shows. If people want to watch they will.
SPN/The originals are a prime example of that. The slot SPN is in has been a death slot for the CW for years. and look its managing a 1.0. The orignals is certainly improving on past performers in that slot as well.
Glad you like it! I have yet to watch last night's episode but so far it hasn't disappointed me. I adore both leads, it is really doing it for me!
ReplyDeleteso sorry, let me understand - has BATB got 0.5 with 1.67 viewers? how come ratings improved so much from the ones a little while ago? sorry, not good with ratings as I said in previous posts, could u explain? many thanks
ReplyDeleteYeah hopefully it will. I don't think the ratings for its remaining Monday episodes have any meaning though, even though it's nice to have good ratings of course.
ReplyDeleteDisregard those ratings. I just read that the CW was preempted so these ratings are likely to be inflated. We need to wait for finals to comment on CBS and CW.
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Just read that the cw was indeed preempted.
ReplyDeletei agree,I love the Blacklist too! (I just got caught up a few days ago! It
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ReplyDeleteYa, well POI (and Fringe) has a lot of Alias in it too! Visually (and perhaps the way it runs) I agree it's more like POI, but the plots and crazy serial killing aspects remind me so much of the other tv shows!
ReplyDeletei 100% agree that there just GREAT leads and make the show!
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ReplyDeleteDo you like Elizabeth? A lot of people have issues with her but I adore her, she is the best part of the show for me. I am eager to learn more about her past and the connection with Remmington.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I have promised myself that I would watch Alias one day, I intend to (I just don't know when)
BATB should never have been granted a second season????I think it's an opinion based just on rating and not on the show which has changed a 100%.Ratings are measured with this Nielsen box which only counts the watcher in the USA and just those watchers who have the box.Where are all those international and USA watchers that are not measured with these boxes.How do you explain all polls and fanbase and trendings that BATB have won?Invisible watchers?????
ReplyDeletethank u for responding so quickly always, much appreciated
ReplyDelete@Nicole Gaglianese You do realise that when a show is pre-empted that the numbers for the shows go down, not up.
ReplyDeleteBecause NONE of that matters to advertisers. The ONLY numbers that matter to advertisers are the Demographic numbers. They don't care how many people abroad watch the show.
ReplyDeleteYeah, they seemed to be stable for now.
ReplyDeleteit's all explained in the article.
ReplyDeleteNote: The CW numbers are inflated. They will likely adjust down when the Final Adjusted numbers are released.
ReplyDeleteGetting a second season or not has zero to do with quality and everything to do with ratings, so yes, it's an opinion based on ratings. Also, the only profitable number for a sophmore show are its ad sales revenues which depend on Live+SD ratings (or C3 ratings to be precise). Beauty and the Beast sucks at those so far this season (reserve comment for this episode after seeing the finals).
ReplyDeleteJust because someone comments on BatB low rating (which is a fact I might add doesn't make them a hater. Babar and Omabin are 2 of the best, most reasoned and prolific posters here. As Omabin said, people generally comment on shows that are either on fire in the ratings, or taking a dive off a cliff. And at these rating levels, if they hold, BatB has approximately 0.1% chance at renewal. Its just a fact, nothing more. Twitter, getglue, CW site, international viewership = irrelevant to a networks renewal/cancellation decisions. This is the way it has always been, and the way it will be for the foreseeable future. Sorry if that truth offends you, but nonetheless a truth it is.
ReplyDeleteYep, it was prempeted in 2 CW affiliate areas last night.
ReplyDeleteThanks, it explains the sudden jump.
ReplyDeleteCastle? Promotion from ABC? If your referring to the ONE Castle sneak peek after the episode. Other than that they promote it so little, I wouldn't blame fans for forgetting what network it airs on.
ReplyDeletePR Jedi Mind tricks. There is an article on TVbtN that needs your attention.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I didn't refresh the page so I didn't see that CBS and CW ratings are inflated.
ReplyDeleteI sympathize with the BatB viewers. Here in Canada, as we get BatB a day early on sunday, CTV promotes the living hell out of it. Starting on thursday, literally every commercial just rotates between BatB promo and something else, BatB promo and something else.
ReplyDeleteI like her a lot! I think the actress is really unique! I think she compliments Reddington and the other FBI agent nicely.
ReplyDeleteI'm by your side, but one of the most important things is the rating 18-49, and Beauty and The Beast is doing bad(unfortunately). I'm mad at Beauty and The Beast's american fans for letting this happen(I'm talking about the really low rating). We the fans who live outside the US can't do nothing except ask american friends to watch it live.
ReplyDeleteGlad Beauty and the Beast did better this week. It can't afford to drop as low as 0.3 again. Even now it is still very, very, much in danger. :(
ReplyDeleteAnd what I meant was that without the preemptions, the numbers would be much higher!
ReplyDeleteen mi país si es un éxito, sino te gusta ya cierra el hocico estoy harta de que si algo no les gusta vengan aquí a c hillar. Ve tu serie y deja de joder, y de molestar a los fans de BatB porque no te hacemos nada ignorante.
ReplyDeletenadie te esta preguntando perdedor, ya callate!!!
ReplyDeleteNo they would not. These Numbers include the Football ratings which INFLATE the numbers.
ReplyDeletePre-empted in New York buddy, so the adjusting down is sure(unfortunately) u_u
ReplyDeleteTe vale madres idiota ya callate!
ReplyDeleteno sabía que supieras tanto, tienes cara de gorila, ya callate!
ReplyDeleteAgain? Beauty and the Beast would have better luck on Friday.
ReplyDeletePre-empting. Yuck.
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ReplyDeletedeberias de saber español, que flojera buscate un traductor.
ReplyDeleteFinal Warning. English Only.
ReplyDeleteI can be arsed to use a translator to find out what you are saying.
ReplyDeleteBecause only in English? not know the freedom of expression?
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ReplyDeleteit got 0.3 once the ratings were adjusted
ReplyDeleteYeah, yeah. I saw that.
ReplyDeleteSo what? In relative terms the concept is the same. If it launches well (for that Net Standards), despite the fact that it was made available earlier on, said availability didn't affect it negatively. If you want to compare channels with similar dimension of the CW, Showtime made the Masters of Sex pilot available earlier on and the show is doing just fine for them, it just got renewed. I think even the Homeland pilot was released earlier, not sure about that one. The Goldbergs and Trophy Wife were also made available eralier and had high (for their net standards) debuts, despite later declines.
ReplyDeleteMasters of Sex started almost good, not that great. Glad about its renewal, by the way.
ReplyDeleteAnd there's a difference between an earlier debut release and a season earlier release in another country(Beauty and The Beast is still aired one day before in Canada, and Castle and Criminal Minds, too, if I'm not wrong, but their networks are bigger, so, if hundred of thousands fans see the episodes online, there are milions who didn't). The Goldbergs and Trophy Wife aired after the massive debut of Marvel's Agents of Shield. Then, as you wrote, they declined.
Showtime is a pay per view channel, like HBO, so the rating does affect, but not that much. See Californication and Girls(HBO) that got renewed, despite the low ratings.
Think about this: The highest rated CW series is The Vampire Diaries, and in this season its season high was 1.3(so far), while Parks and Recretation obtained a rating like that on NBC, and it's considerated a low rating.
So, everybody should remember that CW is not available in all the US.
how do you rate 18-4 viewers*? I mean, how do u know how old is the person watching tv? i don't get that. And why does he years matter?
ReplyDeleteThe 18-49 is the age group that advertisers target. The advertisers are who pay for the shows.
ReplyDeleteThey are calculated by the people who are registered with Nielsen Tracking Boxes.
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ReplyDeleteCastle doesn't exist for ABC ! It is a miracle that this show is still on tv and getting decent ratings!!
ReplyDeleteI'd take it over most of what Eliza's done since.
ReplyDeletethey're doing based on the ratings for previous weeks, Bones has been doing around the 2.0 give or take a tenth so far this season probably with very similar HH ratings so you can get pretty close with a guess.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I didn't talk about it's ratings last season, since they weren't as bad.
ReplyDeleteAlso, you really think The CW is gonna renew it just because "We where Seven on Trendrr, so we even won a place"?
We won't know for sure until the 18 to 49 ratings are released, which take an hour or so.
ReplyDeletewell the ratings so far for Tuesday suggest splitting The Others and SPN up and using then to anchor a night each would be a good idea.
ReplyDeleteI am not attacking the show in the slightest, I am just discussing its chances of renewal based on its current ratings.
ReplyDeleteI probably didn't phrase it correctly, when I said irrelevant I meant that it is a completley different show to BATB. The people who say watch NIkita are more likely to watch BATB and the people who say watch Carrie Diaries are more likely to watch HOD. that is what I meant by irrelevant, not that the show itself is irrelevant! so sorry if i was misunderstood. and it is a weak lead compared to other cw shows such as TVD, arrow etc. now I am not saying BATB was a huge hit, it never was, of course we know that. but it would have probably done better if it was following a show that either was very popular or was more similar to BATB
ReplyDeleteI'd put another question.Why Batb likes abroad and do not really likes to Americans? Batb is becaming a new media phenomenon, it has the problem of bad planning and I hope that CW realizes it soon. Let's be honest this season is amazing better than many other shows
ReplyDeleteNot likely cancelled,certain Cancelled.Scoring multiple .3's and under million views is cancellation.I watch Beauty and the beast now and then but the ratings are terrible.No way CW would renew it with those ratings,Omabin and Babar are just being realistic.
ReplyDeleteThat's not really saying much especially since it's not too far off from 0.2/0.1 if it ever comes to that point.
ReplyDelete'The Blacklist' even with last week!
ReplyDelete2.1 :(
ReplyDeleteLol true, but again I was looking at the glass half full part of it. they may be low rated but for the time being looks like they have bottomed out.
ReplyDeleteSleep hollow rerun got a 1.0 that pretty good considering its the second time the pilot was reaired, the pilot was already run as a rerun on friday after it preimered.
ReplyDeleteDo you mean The Originals?
ReplyDeleteI don't know where was I when it happened but the BatB community has become so hostile! I like the show but, gosh, the "passion" is too much. I'm just glad it's still on. It's not as good as last season quality wise so I'm not expecting much.
ReplyDeleteHope Castle will be adjust up
ReplyDeleteWatch out for the fact that cbs was preempted, I don't think those Mom ratings will hold.
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, I expect something like a 2.2-2.3, not more than that. Bones doesn't have a history of going up for bigger episodes like, say, Grey's Anatomy does. It has very loyal and regular viewers so its number never fluctuates much.
ReplyDeleteIt has been preempted twice in NYC, where a lot of viewers are!! That is partially why ratings are so low. Just you wait!!! We are gonna blow up the ratings!!!! ROAR!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteOh, I didn't know that. Now I am thinking Hostages and Mom will both be adjusted down.
ReplyDeleteIt's written before the table, I didn't know either before reading. I don't know anything about the cw being preempted but I find these rises almost too good to be true, so maybe it was preempted as well, I don't know. I am always a bit suspicious when I see changes like this.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but hopefully it'll be adjusted up.
ReplyDeleteGlad the The Blacklist has stabilized for now, and is even with last week.
ReplyDeleteSurprised that Bones only rose a tenth, after the promotion FOX gave this episode.
How I Met Your Mother dropped two-tenths, 2 Broke Girls is even with last week. Mom rose four-tenths, which is it's second highest rating after the premiere; really happy about that. Guess the TBBT reruns did help. Wonder what will happen next week with M&M as a lead in.
Hostages also rose two-tenths (surprising), but I have a feeling it will be adjusted down in the finals.
Castle dropped three-tenths, but I hope it will be adjusted up.
Guess DWTS is not a ratings magnet it used to be.
Surprising that HoD and BATB rose two-tenths each. BATB was going against repeats, so that's understandable, but HoD going against new episodes of hit shows and it still rose.
ETA: Oh never mind about The CW then, the ratings are inflated.
I love the Blacklist too! (I just got caught up a few days ago! It reminds me of Alias and Dexter put together, which a couple producers of both shows are some of the producers here!)
ReplyDeleteI hope it makes it! It's fantastic so far!!
Of course I realize that. I am simply voicing my opinion.
ReplyDeleteQuestion: Why has BatB just 0.5 and HoD 0.6 when actually, BatB had more viewers? Shouldn't they have both 0.6
ReplyDeletewe have 0.6 rating this week, even with football (so some couldn't even watch it) and 1,67 viewers. Still not good but we get up in one week from 0.3 to 0.6
ReplyDeleteTotal viewers are different from the viewers in the 18 to 49 range.
ReplyDeleteIn TV by Numbers, B&TB has .6 in 18-49, I know is not real, and that is going to go down and blah, blah but I wanted point it out, just like a note.
ReplyDeleteIt was pre empted so BAB and HOD will adjust down
ReplyDeleteI believe TVBTN is wrong. The first 1/2 hr got 0.6 the 2nd half hour a .04 giving a 0.5 score.
ReplyDeleteThe numbers will be adjusted down in the final ratings due to pre-emptions.
Remember it was prempted on the east coast due to football and has been since it started they dont see it but online the next day or on saturday after they adjust it. Other venues that have commercials will have a part in tbe CWs choice, that is shere we will roar watch kn hulu so your voice will be heard.started
ReplyDeleteDifferent things:
ReplyDelete- Viewers: total number of viewers aged >2 that watched the show
- 18-49 Rating:percentage of people between the ages of 18-49 that watched the show. A 0.6 means that about 0.76M people between the ages of 18-49 watched it.
Glad to hear that we agree then! Ahah ok for your PS! I'll make sure to tell you when I do.
ReplyDeleteAre you comparing Castle, an ABC show with a CW show? ABC is available in almost all the US. I agree with you about the really low chances of renewal of Beauty and The Beast(the results are facts), but the earlier airing in Canada can affect way more the CW shows. Anyway, the fans should always watch live their favorite shows, if they don't want them to be cancelled. Which is something young Beauty and The Beast fans aren't doing.
ReplyDeleteRevolution aired after The Voice, which was and is a big lead-in.
ReplyDeleteSo? It still did amazingly great even accounting for that. According to the previous poster argument, it would have done bad numbers because it had been released before. Networks make stupid decisions sometimes but this is not one of them. They are not crazy to the point of allowing their shows to come out if they thought it would be meaningfully reflected on the ratings.
ReplyDeleteAwesome that the blacklist has stabilized, love the show. ABC had a lower-end night, but nothing too worrying, Castle is still hanging in there just fine. For what is worth, it's still up 1% over what it did over the same number of episodes last year. Expected a bit higher for Bones, but not too higher since viewers are pretty solid and don't have a history of being affected by big episodes. I will reserve comment on CBS for after finals, but for their sake, I hope the first part of the night is not inflated, it would be a very bad sign. Now... WOW for the cw! That sort of recovery is crazy. Congrats to both shows; if those numbers really do hold on finals, the cw must be extremely happy with those season highs. It certainly puts Beauty and the Beast very much in discussion for that friday slot next year if this holds.
ReplyDeleteEDIT: Never mind, the cw was preempted. I will hold comment on its ratings until finals.
Are you kidding? The Voice is one of the best lead-in(only Ready For Love started bad having it as lead-in). CW's viewers go from 500000(sometimes they can be even lower) to 3 milions. NBC have more than 10 milions with The Voice, so what network can be more affected by early airing? anyway, Do No Harm had an early web release, and it flopped(no support of The Voice), the same thing happened with Cw's Cult.
ReplyDeleteNo, what really matters is whether or not they are making or losing money on a show. The CBS and WB (parent companies of CW) have already said they lose money on the network (i.e. through advertising which is determine by ratings), but make money on the shows they produce. CBS Studios produces BATB. So things like syndication, international sales, DVDs, iTunes, Hulu, and the Netflix deal DO matter, much more so with the CW than any other broadcast network. Let's remember that the CW has renewed many shows with bad ratings--The Carrie Diaries, Nikita, 90210, Gossip Girl, ANTM, etc. CW president Mark Pedowitz has also said he looks at other things besides the ratings. That said, BATB is on the cutting block with current ratings for sure. Things don't look good. But there is still a chance it will be spared the axe, depending on alternate streams of revenue (which we can't know about.) With a Netflix deal already in place, and Canada's Shaw (owner of Showcase) co-producing and helping to foot the bill, they just might consider it worthwhile to get the show to syndication numbers (four seasons.)
ReplyDeleteSPN is a lock for renewal at the moment. It would be funny if we were changed to Mondays.* Then we will have been on every day of the week--and twice on Tuesdays!
ReplyDelete*So long as that didn't mean BATB was cancelled. Then it wouldn't be funny.
yes I do, sorry I am on another planet right now.
ReplyDeleteah okay thanks. Just was confused because on other pages both where 0.6 so I was totally confused now
ReplyDeleteThanks. Just was confused because on other pages both where 0.6
ReplyDeleteI dont think it was pre-empted last week and it still only got a 0.3
ReplyDeletebetter ^^ a lot better. Actually we double our rating (even up their still stand 0.5, when we had more viewers than HoD O.O)
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