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Oct 23, 2013

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  1. João PauloOctober 23, 2013 at 4:04 AM

    Awesomeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee the best episode of the season. Twist after twist, epic moment, great script everything we wait for POI this season.


    Reese Vs Simmons (Amazing I want that fight scene since the season finale of season 1)
    Carter badass
    Shaw amazing and more human
    And WTF? Rooooooooooooooot in last scene wow


    Yogorok appears again with H.R. all connect with the case of week, incredible.


    I want the next episode right now.

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  2. ShatteredOneOctober 23, 2013 at 4:05 AM

    Awesome episode! Got to learn a bit more about Shaw and her be fully accepted into the team. Probably not short term, but hopefully it'll lead to her to be even a sliver more open. Carter was a total bad ass this episode, particularly with the ending! Reese vs. Simmons was great, looking forward to the next bout. And I did not see that coming at the end.

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  3. Eric PharandOctober 23, 2013 at 4:20 AM

    Great episode.

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  4. Deborah SaundersOctober 23, 2013 at 4:21 AM

    Reese vs Simmons, great, And Root back w/Shaw.

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  5. Deborah SaundersOctober 23, 2013 at 4:22 AM

    And Carter, wow.

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  6. disqus_BLvd5NQY3FOctober 23, 2013 at 4:41 AM

    Did Carter kill the barman in cold blood?

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  7. DarqueModeOctober 23, 2013 at 4:45 AM

    A little girl who wants to be an international spy?
    or some form of Now if this case does not melt Shaw's robot heart (or at least thaw it a little)... none will!

    Spykid Jenrika managed to surveil Shaw and possibly take photos or audio of something important to her pursuers.

    Flashbacks of Shaw? Oooooooh.
    They got a girl that has a great look for Shaw 20 years ago! XD
    Interesting to get a little back story on Shaw'! PTSD certainly helps to explain her abrasiveness and detached state. Maybe it goes further back even, Alexithymia, Sociopathy or some form of Dissocial Personality Disorder.

    Nice to see Carter progressing, but it seems like a bad and dangerous idea to do so much leg work while on the job with her partner nearby. I thought for sure the new gun was going to be used against Carter,but she managed to twist it up nicely!

    I did have slight issue with Shaw shooting up a chemical lab. nonchalantly... Generally not a good idea. Although this is a show that requires generous suspension of disbelief.. so no big deal.

    I liked the intersection of the 3 arcs tonight and I think it lead to the best episode of the season so far.

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  8. Dominick GraceOctober 23, 2013 at 4:50 AM

    Best episode this season!

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  9. Dominick GraceOctober 23, 2013 at 4:51 AM

    Nope, he pulled a shotgun on her.

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  10. phnxgrlOctober 23, 2013 at 5:02 AM

    I loved Shaw's origin story. Poor Shaw waking up to Root and her taser!

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  11. disqus_BLvd5NQY3FOctober 23, 2013 at 5:12 AM

    can Carter really turn Landsky to work for her I guess because she has the gun?

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  12. magnutudeOctober 23, 2013 at 6:28 AM

    another fantastic ep.... Loved the Shaw backstory and her interactions with the new "ward of a mysterious billionaire - nice batman reference".... the only thing that I thought detracted from the ep was no Fusco as it would've made perfect sense to have him at least back up Carter on her play to turn her partner as he has issues with HR as well, but man was Carter a badass! Loved the ending scene.... whoa!

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  13. start_wearing_purpleOctober 23, 2013 at 6:42 AM

    Why not, she framed him for murder of a lieutenant. One in HR for that matter. I'd say she has all the leverage she'd ever need over him.

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  14. NitroOctober 23, 2013 at 8:10 AM

    Reese vs Simmons was a good fight even though I would have rather seen Fusco vs Simmons. Fusco vs Simmons grudge match is expected for two seasons. On the other hand Fusco in general is always knocked out so Fusco would have been lost.

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  15. László HarsányiOctober 23, 2013 at 8:18 AM

    Joining to the cheering choir. Best episode of this season and to me it hasn't been a weak season up till now either. Huge kudos to the whole writer team to write interesting COTW situations which at the same time both work as characterization and are seamlessly woven into the longer story arcs. Most shows have trouble to do only one of them at a time.


    Good to be right - I told from the first moment that Shaw is a necessity, they needed another "gun" as they are against organized enemies who now know about them. I must admit that the "cute girl melts the frozen heart" situation was a little too predictable to me, there were no twists in it, just the same old. I hope they don't "melt" Shaw too much - I prefer someone darker among the now all too good guys. With all of this, I enjoyed her momma bear mode and her scenes with the girl, mostly because thanks to the flashbacks, we learned the background without melodramatic dialogues. Good script writing and concept using again.



    A standing ovation to the makeup department - they didn't forget that someone with a huge blood loss couldn't look like a covergirl!


    I missed Fusco too, but honestly, in this episode he could have only a phone call role and I good if the writers don't shoehorn somebody in just to have a scene. Of course only as long as they don't forget him totally, but from the promo of next week and Kevin Chapman's NYCC interview we don't have to be afraid of this.


    Correct me if I'm wrong but they kept the tapes finally, didn't they? That would make them an imminent and direct threat to the HR, not just a morally encompassed enemy, so I think what the promo showed is partly the HR's countermeasure to deal with them.

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  16. disqus_BLvd5NQY3FOctober 23, 2013 at 8:29 AM

    so I presume Simmon is arrested?

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  17. start_wearing_purpleOctober 23, 2013 at 8:30 AM

    I doubt it. The cop car could have been more HR back up.

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  18. ShatteredOneOctober 23, 2013 at 8:54 AM

    Given the fight that took place, Fusco wouldn't be able to beat Simmons in a fist fight. Although, given all the crap Fusco has had to go through, it would be damn satisfying to see Fusco be the one to kill Simmons.

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  19. Cor MalumOctober 23, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    Best epsiode of the season, so far. And Carter isn't cold-hearted or evil, she apparently has Asperger syndrom or some similar disorder. She doesn't experience emotions in the same way as so-called "normal" people do, and therefore has extreme problems interacting with them.

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  20. László HarsányiOctober 23, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    She has an Axis II Personality Disorder, she told it in Revelance.

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  21. prpleightOctober 23, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    And the title "Billy Badass" is awarded to Carter. Dayam Girrl!


    Under the heading "Not. Good." Root rudely awaking Shaw.


    I loved this episode. Strongest of the season for me so far.

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  22. Cor MalumOctober 23, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Missed that. Thanks. But "Axis II Personality Disorder" is a generic term for a whole group of personality disorders. The best fit for Shaw would probably be "Antisocial Personal Disorder." However, the symptoms associated with Asperger are very similar and the one is apparently often misdiagnosed as the other.

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  23. luluOctober 23, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    don't like this episode at all, except for the final Carter scene. I thought Shaw must be traumatized somewhere in her life, yet it turns out she was born ruthless and hard-hearted? I don't buy it, especially when it comes to the possibility of such a person so easily melt down by a little girl who has no commonality with her, except for her wish to become a spy. And the fight between Reese and Simmons is less good to me, comparing to those awesome action moments of Reese back in season 1&2. They really should stop wasting Reese and Finch.

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  24. DarqueModeOctober 23, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    I was thinking it could be Dissocial or Schizoid Personality Disorder , but so many disorders look so similar it's hard to know by diagnosing from my TV Asperger's more traditional PTSD, even bipolar can all manifest with similar symptoms.


    If we could only get Shaw to fill out a Axis-II checklist it would be so much easier! XD

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  25. Cor MalumOctober 23, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    Well, she has shown herself to be capable of remorse and she always has 1 or 2 persons that are "her" people (originally Cole, and now Finch and Reese). Isn't that more typical of autists than of schizos? BTW, don't fortget how attached she has become to Bear!

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  26. László HarsányiOctober 23, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    I think the writers intentionally used a more generic term. On one hand there are a lot of PC-crazies who can complain or even sue the show because they depict the persons with a specific problem in an unfavorable way. (And Shaw is a very much hated character by a number of viewers, according to the comments.) On the other, more show-related hand, it gives them a wider field to play in the future, they are less tied to the perks and limitations of a specific disorder if/when they want to develop the character.

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  27. LeonOctober 23, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    Wow I saw that really different. I think what you were meant to get out of the flashbacks was the fact that Shaw got injured in that accident. Head injury or something, something that caused a change in her normal behaviour. And easily melted by the girl? Did you and I watch the same girl? She 'melted' a little by the end of the episode, hardly a change of character since we have seen her display emotions before. Kind of agree with the rest what you say.

    About the ep: COTW was good, liked the background we got. Would have like a short Elias cameo, but will settle for Root.
    Looking forward to next week with hopefully a lot of mayor arc mystery

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  28. Cor MalumOctober 23, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    I've been thinking about Shaw some more and about the fact that this show NEVER shows a flashback that isn't somehow important to the rest of the story. So, what was the prupose of that flashback to the the accident that killed Shaw's father?
    I think they used it to show that Shaw has been emotionally and socially impaired since early childhood and thereby show that she is not a schizo, since schizos don't manifest at that early an age ... I think. As I commented below, I think she has some form of autism (e.g. Asperger). I also think that Finch, being the all-round geius that he is, has also come to that conclusion. I think that's the reason he finally accepted her into their group ("On the contrary, Ms. Shaw, I think you finally got the job"). He wouldn't keep her around long-term, if he thought she was a dangerous schizophrenic.

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  29. Valkenhayn1October 23, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Much much better than the last one, greatly enjoyed it, kicked all sorts of ass.

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  30. luluOctober 23, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    I guess if the car crash flashback is to tell us Shaw had a head injury that changed her mode of thinking, it would explain a lot. But I didn't see a clue, did I miss anything?
    What I mean with the little girl is I don't understand why Shaw cared about this kid so much, if her indifference to other people(even her own father) is so strong. Shaw melted not just at the end of the story, she melted when she refused to see a doctor, risking her life (I mean, bleeding to death) to save the girl.Obviously, there is a connection, but I don't think the connection is developed well in this episode. In the first two seasons, the interaction between Reese,Finch, the poi and occasionally Carter and Fusco is always the part I love in this show, but in this season, I haven't seen that much. It's like they got more regulars, and less everything.

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  31. Linda Sabine OleksaOctober 23, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    So this was the episode that was supposed to humanize and "dimensionalize" Shaw. We know what her deal is; she has some personality disorder, she was born with it, and she's not going to get over it. So we know she's not on some path to redemption like Reese; she's just born this way. End of story.

    I still don't care. I don't like her and I don't think she's needed on the show.

    How much cooler and amazing would this episode have been if Fusco had rescued the girl? If we'd shown how determined he'd be to save her because he has a kid of his own? Maybe some flashbacks to why he had a kid (in the immediate wake of 9/11) and why he's not still with his ex?

    This whole season has just made me want to scream, "Stop trying to make Shaw happen! Shaw is not going to happen!"

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  32. László HarsányiOctober 23, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    Except that as a cop he should have instantly called the police in case of a kidnapping? And that he isn't the guy who could single handedly deal with three or four opponents? Sometimes I'm surprised why do the writers bother themselves to write a background and a job to their characters when the viewers doesn't even care about it?

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  33. Cor MalumOctober 23, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    Missed part of this comment the first time through. I don't think it's PTSD. To me, it came across as if she was't traumatized in the first place, because she couldn't feel emotions, even before the accident. None of the first responders mentioned the word "shock" either, did they?

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  34. László HarsányiOctober 23, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    It's possible that in the end Simmons will be dealt with by Fusco. But now, until they don't want to do the big showdown for once and all, he should be face to face with HR bosses in these situations. He has already been marked as a reluctant member of the organization - being even more compromised could mean his death, the IT can't babysit him in 7/24 to protect from the HR.

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  35. Linda Sabine OleksaOctober 23, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    Since Season 1 Carter (when she was still on the straight and narrow) met with the boys and a kidnapped child and didn't report it, I'm not too worried about Fusco sticking to his cop oath -- especially when he knows HR is involved.

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  36. László HarsányiOctober 23, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    Even more interesting to me is that the paramedics called her mother. So half of her family remained and her behaviour didn't originated from the accident. (At least that came down to me from her saying that she "realised" her status when she had been in Gen's age, meaning that she had been the same even before), and I agree, I think we will see some part of her life with her mother as well.

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  37. Cor MalumOctober 23, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    I agree. The accident did not cause her to become the way she is. And by the way, I just remembered another interesting scene that might provide insight into Shaw's personality. Remember when she showed off her gun to Carter in the episode before last? Remember how it seemed like she was almost begging for approval, when she did it? That suggests to me that she is not a sociopath and does not suffer from Narcissistic or Antisocial Personality Disorder or anything like that. If she did, she wouldn't have craved the approval of others that much.

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  38. DarthLocke4October 23, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Awesome! Favorite episode of the season!


    Lots of little shout outs to Alias with spy children (Project Christmas), Russians, and the child goes by "Jen" which SS Alias character was named Jenny and of course Sydney Bristow was played by Jennifer Gardner!


    Love the parallel flash back story with Shaw/Sabine (and Sabine is the first name of the assassin in MI:GP played by Lea Seydoux) The actress who played Sanine/Shaw was a perfect match! I love it when that happens!! It's interesting that her 'appearance of apathy' stems from when she was a child, but I'm suspecting that the death of her father is no accident and that perhaps there is more back story there in which perhaps there is another event? I loved that Jen clarified with the audience that it's not that she doesn't feel, but rather 'the sound' is way down! And then Shaw hugs her!


    Sweet turn around with Carter and Lanskey and Reese and Simmons! (Carter shot Jerry the bartender!! XD)


    And then to top it off with a Root abducting Shaw = XD!!!!!!!!


    Love the "Robot" line and also "I got in it because of the dog."

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  39. László HarsányiOctober 23, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Not only just that moment but more importantly the next one, when Finch asked her whether is it going to be a problem for her to use her charm instead of force? There she was more hurt than upset, because she thought it means she wasn't considered sexy even though she had done her best and it was important to her that those two men appreciate her efforts. It was kind of the first scenes between Elisa and Prof Higgins in G.B. Shaw's Pygmalion, when she tried to grow up to the unusual task.

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  40. László HarsányiOctober 23, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    Just an afterthought: The Lenin Order isn't something what was thrown from basket to anybody. An ex-KGB officer in the USA with owning that is even rarer. I wonder that just like Elias seemed originally a simple COTW, maybe this was the first seed of another arc?

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  41. DarthLocke4October 23, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    I'm still pondering if there is another incident or reason, since her family moved around a lot? It could be she was "taught" not to be attached to things/able to compartmentalize in order to survive. I mean the winks back to Alias makes me think that maybe she was literally trained (military program) at a young age, because of whomever her parents were...

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  42. NitroOctober 23, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    Killing is boring to even series. Maybe later, Simmons beat Fusco and finally Reese or Carter save him and Simmons dies.OK, that would be too easy solutions. Usually, Fusco's storylines end up like this.

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  43. João PauloOctober 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    I like Fusco, but Reese Vs Simmons is more compelling and don't forget Reese is the main hero of POI.

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  44. Cor MalumOctober 23, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    I'd forgotten about that (i.e., Alias). I suppose that could also be the case. So, you think she was conditioned in her early childhood to not let anyone or antything touch her emotionally? So far, it has seemed more like she couldn't emote, rather than that she was suppressing her emotions. But if she was conditioned at an early enough age, I guess that could produce such an effect. Whichever it is, it seems clear now that she probably can be socialized, given enough effort. Being around Root probably won't help in that regard, though...

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  45. DarthLocke4October 23, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    Ya that's what I'm thinking, but obviously just like with everyone else it's speculation on my part. -But I definitely think she has some control over it, but ya, Root will probably turn out to be counter productive for her emotional outlook! XD

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  46. DarthLocke4October 23, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    No. We don't know if she was born this way, as we have only seen her during this time of the car crash and not before. Shaw says she has been this way since she can remember, but we actually don't know "when" that is or how far back her memories go.

    If anything I think the car crash was not an accident since it was revealed that her family moved around a lot. It sounds like her family was trying to "out run" someone, so her parents could be of significant importance in understanding Shaw/Sabine.

    There's a bit of a shout out of Alias and "Project Christmas" here, as Alias has seemed to been the more predominant Bad Robot work re-referenced in POI. So I'm thinking child spy/military program for the time being, rather than a natural born disorder, especially since she showed a lot of empathy in this episode, suggesting she does in fact really care about something...which if THIS would be the case, then there would be commonality as Sabine (Shaw's real name) and Jen, accept that Shaw didn't have the option.

    Doing some more research on Sabine:


    Dictionary:
    "of, relating to, or denoting an ancient Oscan-speaking people of the central Apennines in Italy, northeast of Rome, who feature in early Roman legends and were incorporated into the Roman state in 290 BC."

    Wikipedia:
    "Sabinus is an ancient Roman cognomen originally meaning "Sabine"; that is, it indicated origin among the Sabines, an ancient people of Latium. It was used by a branch of the gens Flavia, of the gens Calvisia, and several others, and is by far the most common of the cognomina indicating ethnic origin that were in use during the Republican and Augustan eras. Sabine heritage carried a positive stereotype of traditional values and trustworthiness, and since the cognomen may have been appropriated by some politicians for its aura of uprightness, it should not always be taken as a mark of authentic Sabine origin."

    It's interesting because the Machine finds her an asset and because now she is basically a vigal-anti up holding justice. It might suggest that underneath it all, Shaw actually is a good person.

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  47. László HarsányiOctober 23, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    I don't remember that Carter has ever been sent after kidnappers by the boys and asked not to call backup... Meeting a previously kidnapped child after he was rescued isn't the same. And regarding Fusco confronting the HR head on I wrote upthread why it didn't happen.

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  48. ShatteredOneOctober 23, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    Oh I agree, I was saying more when they do finally get rid of HR and all of its members once and for all, that's when Fusco should kill Simmons. Or maybe near the end, perhaps Fusco is forced to kill Simmons, which sparks a hunt for Fusco which just turns up the timetable on dealing with HR once and for all. I'm just saying, at some point down the line, near the end, Fusco should be the one to be able to take down Simmons.

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  49. John SheffieldOctober 23, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    I thought it was pretty straightforward that Shaw identified with Jen. I think that Shaw sees Jen as the child she might have been if she were "wired" in a more normal manner. To me, the child in the Sabine/Shaw flashbacks looked a lot like Jen. I think the car accident was supposed to be the event in Shaw's past she referred to that made her realize she was "wired" differently.

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  50. NitroOctober 23, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    That's true. As a matter of fact, Fusco haven't had anything in common with HR last seven episodes. It looks like Carter along with Reese help to take HR down.

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  51. DarqueModeOctober 23, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    I was writing my comment as I watched. I thought of PTSD when the crash happened, but it was obviously more and had an earlier origin as we learned more. I just never cleaned up my comment.
    Ooops. XD

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  52. Tyler MaltbyOctober 23, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    Wow this one was fantastic. I think the first big game changer of the season. Shaw trying to show some more emotion, Reese not only coming face to face with Simmons for the first time ever but also fighting him, Carter turning her partner around to work for her instead (awesome scene), and wow what an ending with Root. I was so happy to finally get a fight scene, and what an epic one at that. And now, as far as we know, Simmons is done and likely going to jail. By far the best episode of the season so far.

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  53. DarqueModeOctober 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Not schizophrenic...
    I meant Schizoid Personality Disorder. They are quite different.
    SPD is a "Cluster A" Axis II disorder.

    "Schizoid personality disorder (SPD) is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of interest in social relationships, a tendency towards a solitary lifestyle, secretiveness, emotional coldness, and apathy."

    The World Health Organization's ICD-10 lists schizoid personality disorder as Schizoid personality disorder.[34]

    It is characterized by at least four of the following criteria:
    - Emotional coldness, detachment or reduced affect.
    - Limited capacity to express either positive or negative emotions towards others.
    - Consistent preference for solitary activities.
    - Very few, if any, close friends or relationships, and a lack of desire for such.
    - Indifference to either praise or criticism.
    -Taking pleasure in few, if any, activities.
    - Indifference to social norms and conventions.
    - Preoccupation with fantasy and introspection.
    - Lack of desire for sexual experiences with another person.

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  54. DarqueModeOctober 23, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    When they showed the medal her grandfather gave her it did make me think of Alias.

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  55. DarqueModeOctober 23, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    That may just be the writers either not knowing what disorder she had as they wrote the earlier episode or not caring because they wanted the comedic effect.


    I love POI, but it is not the most consistent or detail oriented show at times...

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  56. Tyler MaltbyOctober 23, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    Thank you. Beat me to it. I thought most people already knew that, but it's clear from the comments that not too many people did.

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  57. Tyler MaltbyOctober 23, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    She also gave a general explanation of how it effects her in Relevance. She simply doesn't really feel any emotions.

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  58. Ereth ReetnithOctober 23, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    ok this was an interesting talk (i don't know much about psychology so very educational) but 'Shaw is a very much hated character by a number of viewers'?!?!?! i'm not, well, an active member of the fandom and i hadn't realised :( why? she's kinda awesome! so is Carter, and Fusco, and Reese, and Finch and the dog and i even love the bad guys as bad guys...they r excellent bad guys...

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  59. DarqueModeOctober 23, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Plus I honestly think they will ignore whatever disorder she has for effect whenever they want to. They may have her crack a sarcastic joke out of character with some disorders etc.

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  60. Cor MalumOctober 23, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    You're right, I confused the terms. Half of that list of criteria does seem to fit Shaw pretty well, but the same criteria also apply to Asperger syndrom, as far as I can tell. Well, whatever... What you wrote further down is probably right: The writers, without expert knowledge of psychology, were just trying to portray Shaw as troubled, but not totally without hope of being integrated into a social group.

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  61. Cor MalumOctober 23, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    "not the most consistent or detail oriented show at times"
    Maybe so, but there are a lot of shows that are worse offenders ;)

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  62. László HarsányiOctober 23, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    I don't know but even here the negative comments almost exlusively concludes to the point that Shaw is the worst thing that happened with the show.


    I disagree and IMHO the slot for another character was necessary to go on with the plots and from all dramaturgy and creative writing principles it came that this slot should be filled with a character like her. Since she isn't an easy character (from writers' POV) I admit they needed and need tweak her, find the right balance between the substance of the character and how to express it on screen, but again IMHO they are on the right path to it.

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  63. DarthLocke4October 23, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    Thanks! I missed this comment earlier.

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  64. Chen RaananOctober 23, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    Carter was so badass in this one! Really loved it! :)
    Also, what a sweet little twist with Shaw. That scene in the end with the little girl was very sweet.
    Awesome episode!

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  65. DarqueModeOctober 23, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    For sure! XD
    POI bases everything in reality at least, unlike some shows that seemingly just void reality in general! XD

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  66. omabinOctober 24, 2013 at 8:29 AM

    This was all sorts of awesome!!!! I started the season sort of "meh" with POI because the premiere didn't really do it for me but every episode after that has been awesome and this was one of their best episodes EVER! Between all the carter awesomeness and us getting some much needed background on carter and the amazing POI of the week, I am not even sure which aspect I liked better. We needed this on Shaw very much; I am still not 100% down with her being around this much because it messes up with the dynamic between Finch and Reese which is one of my favorite aspects of the show and because I still feel that they exaggerate her characterization making her a caricature at some points, but this episode definitely helped to alleviate this last point, I understand her a bit better now. On another note... YOU GO AGENT CARTER, that woman is pure BADASS, and I never saw the twist of the guy working for her coming! I love it!!!

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  67. omabinOctober 24, 2013 at 8:31 AM

    Badass really describes it!

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  68. omabinOctober 24, 2013 at 8:32 AM

    I agree, the young actress playing Shaw was a perfect match! I think the best one is still Snow White on Once Upon a Time but this was a pretty good one too! And it was also my favorite episode of the season, I adored it!

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  69. omabinOctober 24, 2013 at 8:34 AM

    I see where you are coming from and I am still not 100% down with Shaw but this episode helped a bit. My main issue is that I don't feel that the show was lacking her, like there wasn't any void that she needed to fulfill in the show, so it just comes off as intrusive and disruptive of the banter between the two main characters. But I think this episode helped me understand her better and even empathize with her better. Another important point is that it also made Finch like her better, which should help "gel" their team chemistry better, which should be reflected in the way we, as the audience, perceive her too.

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  70. omabinOctober 24, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    It's interesting that you got the idea that there was something else happening before the accident because that was not my impression. To me, the accident was when she realized that she was that way, implying that she already was that way before but didn't know it. Maybe you're right and they will go down that route and show us what went on before, but I really felt that the point of the episode was to show us that she had always been like this.

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  71. omabinOctober 24, 2013 at 8:37 AM

    You go, agent Carter!

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  72. omabinOctober 24, 2013 at 8:39 AM

    Yeah I think the tapes were kept, as John didn't take them with him when he met Simmons and Shaw certainly didn't negotiate them with anyway over at the chemistry factory. And we heard Shaw saying to Finch "you were right, there was a better solution" after blowing up the guys at the factory, implying he persuaded her not to hand in the tapes.

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  73. omabinOctober 24, 2013 at 8:39 AM

    That is one smart woman over there.

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  74. omabinOctober 24, 2013 at 8:40 AM

    I really want the follow up to Carter story, she was incredible here!

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  75. start_wearing_purpleOctober 24, 2013 at 9:22 AM

    I'm trying to figure out which one I love more: Carter, Shaw, or Root. And despite the impossibility I love one more than the last no matter what order I put them in. ;)

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  76. omabinOctober 24, 2013 at 9:30 AM

    Ahah for me it's Carter, that's an easy one! If you put Miss Morgan in there it gets problematic though

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  77. luluOctober 24, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    agreed, it seems like the show is not lacking Shaw, but apparently Nolan is very fond of her (I still can't get it), so she is here to stay. But I'm kind of hoping they finally turn Shaw into a villain, that will be fun.

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  78. DarthLocke4October 24, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    If they wouldn't of had Jen have tie-backs to the KGB and the episode reminded of us the Russians again, and if Shaw hadn't mentioned they moved around a lot (all remincent of Alias and the crash scene is similar to another upcoming Bad Robot work's opening scene featuring an abduction attempt on a child, then I would have let it go)

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  79. DarthLocke4October 24, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    Yep Young Snow White, Young Jacob, and Young Kate Austin, Young Olivia Dunham (subject 13) Along with Young Shaw are def some of the best child actor-counterparts I have ever seen on TV!

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  80. omabinOctober 24, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    Sounds very plausible indeed. We shall see.

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  81. omabinOctober 24, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    Great selection right there! I had forgotten about Young Olivia, great match indeed.

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  82. DarthLocke4October 24, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    That's interesting. I had not thought of that, but you could be right! I think there is def room to speculate since we don't know if this is the furthest back Shaw remembers herself being this way and/or remembering at all!

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  83. LeonOctober 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    To me the clue was that she was in the car during the accident. Other then that it is just a wild guess :)
    I see what you mean about being determined to help the girl and I hadn't thought about it like that before.
    You can either see it like you do or like a characteristic from Shaw, determined to do her own thing, getting the job done and not listening to advice from others (like we have seen her do plenty of other times).

    Agree about the rest you say. The episodes feel a bit crowded with all the extra main casts. And have for me, not reached the quality it had the first 2 seasons. Lets hope this improves.

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  84. LeonOctober 24, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    I think there is much more to the story then just what we saw. The crash causing her to be so emotional distant seems like the most logical answer at this point. Whether Shaw remembers anything before that, idk, I expect to see more flashbacks during this season to get an answer on that question.

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  85. DarthLocke4October 24, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    Me too! :)

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  86. Ereth ReetnithOctober 24, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    not just another character but a character close to john's caliber of abilities and training was necessary of course. what with the organisations they're going after...they're not just up against isolated individuals anymore and neither fusco nor carter can ignore their dayjob at the drop of a hat. finch going out every time to provide cover or to extract john when something went wrong was pushing it on realism; the guy is not a trained agent, they might get lucky a few times but finch is much better suited to being coordinator at HQ. in a way their 'mission' is ...bigger now, they needed more people to cover it...

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  87. luluOctober 25, 2013 at 5:06 AM

    fair point

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  88. luluOctober 25, 2013 at 5:09 AM

    sorry, I guess I just don't feel it's that natural Shaw identified herself with the girl.

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  89. László HarsányiOctober 25, 2013 at 5:12 AM

    "not just another character but a character close to john's caliber" - that's exactly why I said that the kind of the new character was determined by the dramaturgy needs of the story. It was not out of the thin air or just a personal mania of one of the execs. The funny thing is that in the first season Carter was attacked, that she is a badly written harda**, when she chased Reese, in the second Root was criticised, that why do they need this psychotic new enemy when there were the FBI and the HR - obviously the show is too complex to many people.


    PoI is really the show where one must give up the "I want to see this or that" approach, and let them dictate the way. It's like a huge pinball machine - you can be sure that the ball will be pushed to an unexpected direction before it would go down straight to the bottom.

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  90. Tyler MaltbyOctober 25, 2013 at 7:17 AM

    I agree with you. I think that Shaw was a good thing for the show, but I also think that Jonah and Greg haven't exactly made her easy to warm up to by giving her that personality of being shoot first every time and not give a damn. They had to start expanding the storyline somehow and it baffles me as to how many fans don't seem to really get that. Of course, what's even more baffling is that fans are suddenly finding Root annoying this season for some reason. I disagree with that completely and don't get why it's happening. I think she's great and she's now part of the expanding storyline and for some reason people aren't liking that. I also think that they need to tweak Shaw's personality a bit and make her not so cold hearted, but I think we are already seeing that progress with what the girl did to her at the end and plus I wouldn't mind if it's a gradual thing that takes place over the course of the season. The POI storyline is expanding people. Accept it.

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  91. Tyler MaltbyOctober 25, 2013 at 7:23 AM

    When you say much hated, that is a very significant question. There is a big difference between loving to hate a character and genuinely hating a character. If people love to hate them, that will keep people watching. If they genuinely hate them, that is not so good.

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  92. prpleightOctober 25, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    I didn't see that as a change for Shaw. My interpretation of her 'birth defect' (seen in the flashback and her explanations) is that she is incapable of certain emotional responses....NOT that she's incapable of caring for people. When we met her she'd just lost a person she cared about...she described him in that episode as the ONLY person she cared about. She cares about Bear as well. It wasn't a stretch for me to accept that Shaw would identify with and admire some of the traits the little girl possessed.

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