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POLL : What did you think of Once Upon a Time in Wonderland - Trust Me?

Oct 18, 2013

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30 comments:

  1. Andy108October 18, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    I really really liked this episode. I thought it was better than the pilot and all of OUAT this season. Hopefully the ratings are up. I'm intrigued.

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  2. Stephon SJOctober 18, 2013 at 2:28 AM

    TRUST ME was pretty GREAT. I'm looking forward to seeing more of everyones story. We now know what lead Jafar to Wonderland. Now we need to find out how did he knew Cyrus was there. I'm guessing the Red Queen either killed the White Rabbit's family or has them. Man i feel sorry for him. The Red Queen improved from last week. Still scared of Jafar. I loved the fear in her eyes.

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  3. DarthLocke4October 18, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    Much Better than the Pilot, which I expected. Now lets see if everyone else thought so too?!

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  4. JonoOctober 18, 2013 at 2:48 AM

    Now that's what I'm talking about! I'm VERY surprised to say that a lot of my gripes from the first episode were actually answered tonight. In my opinion, the premiere seemed sloppy because there was so much information crammed into one episode. I was sure they wouldn't elaborate on it and just continue the journey. Color me wrong that they actually revisited many of those moments and gave them more depth.


    Btw, Wasn't that turtle in The Never-Ending Story? Ha!

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  5. DarthLocke4October 18, 2013 at 3:39 AM

    I think the turtle might also be a shout out to LOST, as there was a popular theory, relating to Iroquois creation myth, that the Island was able to move because it was on the back of a giant turtle! :P

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  6. magnutudeOctober 18, 2013 at 4:16 AM

    gave it a good, still feels a bit too heavy on the sappy romance for me, but I expect that they will try to balance things out as the story goes further. I'm glad that the RQ flipped the script on Jafar, as up to that point I was pretty much done with her but like that she showed some spine to Jafar, who seems powerful enough to get the bottle from her (unless she's got some tricks up her sleeve that she hasn't shown yet)

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  7. JonoOctober 18, 2013 at 4:30 AM

    That...is...hysterical. That poor turtle. No one deserves to have sonic fences and yellow houses growing on top of them.

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  8. SaraOctober 18, 2013 at 4:32 AM

    It's not. It's the Mock Turtle. From Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.

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  9. ryanOctober 18, 2013 at 5:44 AM

    The Red Queen definitely feels very underestimated, which makes her much more dangerous. I'm sure there's more where that came from.

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  10. SetherielOctober 18, 2013 at 9:00 AM

    Bloody Fantastic! A crazy step up from the pilot. Daaamn.

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  11. InvestedInYourFutureOctober 18, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    Way better than the abysmal pilot.


    - I love that they are faithful to the books with Red Queen's character. She does not display her fury through anger, but through rules and loopholes.

    - Jafar is pretty meh so far. Stereotypical mustache twirling badguy.

    - I do appreciate the reversal from Rumple/Regina - this time is Red Queen is the trickster and Jaffar is the angry-one.
    - Alice is smarter than I thought, which makes her stupid decisions in Pilot completely nonsensical :/



    4/5

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  12. CliffOctober 18, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    Wasn't that the Pratchett creation myth? ;D

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  13. DarthLocke4October 18, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    I'm not denying that, but it also is a double reference. The great line "I can't swim" was also uttered in relation to this which ties the Knave back with other British character Charlie Pace.

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  14. DarthLocke4October 18, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    It also relates to that too!! (Stephen Hawking has talked about this!),

    This episode also highlighted Eastern Philosophy and Hinduism also values "The World Turtle", but in LOST most associated it the Indian Creation Myth:

    http://chriscarrollsmith.blogspot.com/2010/03/why-lost-island-is-actually-giant.html

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  15. DarthLocke4October 18, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    No! let alone all the trees and and and flaming arrows! :D

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  16. DarthLocke4October 18, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    Although they still have things in comen with their respected counterparts, the roles are flipped in terms of comparing them to Regina and Rumple. The Red Queen (under animated) and Rumple (over animated) both come with brightness and refinement, as Jafar and Regina are both angry and seductive characters (and who really love using Dark Vader-esque kinetic choke holds), but yet Jafar is the greater sorcerer and seems to have a physical object that may be making him "darker" than he had once had been and as both Queens find themselves unhappy and unsatisfied by their titles and power....

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  17. Lord NikonOctober 18, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    So the Red Queen is Anastasia. Now the question is what does she wants with him. The make him in love with her or to kill him. But interesting episode all in all.

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  18. marilia11pOctober 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    Loved this episode! Really like Cyrus and Alice. I hope they don't keep him imprisoned for long. Also, I really like the rabbit!

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  19. SaraOctober 18, 2013 at 11:04 PM

    Oh honey. Not everything is a reference to Lost. And to say that something from the story they're adapting is a reference to a theory about another show doesn't really make sense. Someone not being able to swim is, likewise, not a reference to Lost, that's beyond stretching it.

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  20. AnnaOctober 19, 2013 at 1:13 AM

    Meh, people will see what they want to think. And when you over think something you can find at references from everywhere :P

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  21. DarthLocke4October 19, 2013 at 3:02 AM

    "As a nod to the ties between the production teams of Once Upon a Time and Lost, the show contains allusions to Lost, and is expected to be a continuing theme throughout the series' run.[58][75] For example, many items found in the Lost universe, such as Apollo candy bars, Oceanic Airlines, Ajira Airways and MacCutcheon Whisky, can be seen in Once Upon a Time.[76] In addition, former cast members of Lost have made appearances in the series, including Emilie de Ravin, Jorge Garcia and Alan Dale. Regina's house number in Storybrooke (108) is referenced multiple times as a "magic number" in Lost."

    UNDER: CULTURAL REFERENCES
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time_(TV_series)

    And Please don't patronize me by calling me "honey". Thanks.

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  22. SaraOctober 19, 2013 at 3:09 AM

    What do generic things like that have to do with anything. We already know they like to use the same products, it's because it's easier than to clear it with marketing divisions and because Kitsis & Horowitz aren't very clever.

    But what you're talking about are not allusions. You're taking coincidences and similarities (people not being able to swim is common, both in real life and in fiction). If anything the Lost theory about the turtle was just referencing all the other things, including this.

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  23. SaraOctober 19, 2013 at 3:10 AM

    Darthlocke is known for trying to make everything connect to Lost.

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  24. MfelizOctober 19, 2013 at 3:22 AM

    I love this spin off so far. I am enjoying it much more than I thought I would.

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  25. DarthLocke4October 19, 2013 at 3:32 AM

    Not if the line and similarities between characters are near identical in an episode of LOST that is a reference to Alice Wonderland.


    The point of allusions are to be sentimental and/or give plot and character hints. It also goes hand in hand with a Bad Robot concept of "a tapestry in a tapestry", as their stories are mostly about fate and being connected in hope for them to "get to better place"...

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  26. SaraOctober 19, 2013 at 3:34 AM

    You mean the exact same line uttered every time someone is tossed in the water?

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  27. DarthLocke4October 19, 2013 at 3:41 AM

    They are both British characters that are "cowards" and have to prove themselves to others. Charlie Pace is rather significant to LOST because of the "swimming" factor as in all the possible ways he had died in other timelines related to senseless deaths and suffocation, often in relation to water. By Desmond's ability to be able to have visions of those past incarnation's deaths (along with the choice to tell Charlie), is Charlie able to bring meaning to his most current incarnation's death, which may mark a change in why these characters can move on from the Island in the next time line in relation to what is shown in the flash sideways. Desmond is also already referenced through the Knave in the Pilot with his "red converse key chain"...


    You don't have to accept the allusion if you don't want to. That's your choice, but it seems senseless to me that you are harassing me for something you don't believe.

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  28. SaraOctober 19, 2013 at 3:54 AM

    I'm not harassing. You proposed that the mock turtle was an allusion to Lost. It's not. It's right from Alice in Wonderland. That makes it not an allusion but actually textual.

    I grant that you think Lost is a 'deep' show so you think that every generic thing is a reference to it. More likely you probably would have to dig deeper since it mostly cribbed its more clever things from other material. Carroll, Pratchett, Lewis, Tolkein, etc. Basically the entire show is just an amalgam of ideas from other shows, thus allusions to Lost are just illusions to better literature. Say, drowning being a reference to Shakespeare, Dickens, Melville, etc or Mock Turtle being a reference to Great A'Tuin or Morla in far more popular literature than an obscure reference to a fan theory, which would have been inspired by those, making the very idea an allusion.

    I prefer to think of them not as allusions to Lost because basically it reduces the writing to derivative drivel where the creators are only capable of writing the same thing and the same characters over and over again, which is a disservice to both shows.

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  29. DarthLocke4October 19, 2013 at 4:29 AM

    It's a direct textual reference to AIW but also an Allusion to a Lost theory and on going joke between writers (which H and K were!!!) and fans in relation to Iroquois creation myth. I posted links in response to Cliff to BOTH LOSTpedia page and someone (not me) who went to great lengths discussing this theory for LOST. (because that's how big of the deal it was)

    It's only if a disservice if YOU do not value The Philosophy of suggested repetition with variation and juxtaposition (evolution). (and it does not only reference LOST it has references Fringe, revolution, the up coming Believe and even Star Trek.

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  30. omabinOctober 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    It was better than the pilot, but it was just okay anyway. I find it too childish and too focused on the true love aspect of it all for me to love it. I like the night, he is my favorite, but other than that I am not very sold. Alice herself is very problematic to me because she feels too much of a childish character for my taste. I guess the overall tone of the show is the problem for me. Not sure whether I will stick around longer or not.

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