Whoa, that was a great episode! Wonder when Wade discovered the truth about the Troubles. And he's still shady. And Wade/Jordan? Are we going there?
And oh God I ship Duke/Jennifer so hard. Extra room on the boat! He's falling in love with her! I can't.
Holy crap at the end! I did not see that one coming (although the not freaking out when Nathan kissed her should have been a big tip-off, tbh). Glad Duke figured it out. And I loved the little bit of Lexie we got even if she wasn't actually Lexie.
OHMYWHAT- I wasn't expecting that, they put me on my ass and I loved it. Audrey lives. Shocked Duke figured it out and Nathan didn't I can't begin to imagine what it's going to be like the rest of the epiosdes
Another fantastic episode! They are really knocking it out of the park this season! I love it.
It was so satisfying to see Audrey back in Haven. I have missed her so much. She also definitely gave the best lines tonight especially everytime she made fun of Nathan, LOL. I continue to love Jennifer/Duke! They're so cute together and I can't wait for them to kiss for real. And WOAH! at the end! I was not expecting Audrey to pretend to be Lexie the whole time. I wonder why she did that?
This show continues to be amaze me and I can't wait to see what happens next.
Duke figured it out because of how she acted when she got the bad guy out of him. She knew his trouble. Only Audrey would know that! I'm sure if Nathan was also in the room, he would have figured it out!
probably but it'd be awesome if he saw through that Lexi facade. I really hope the only reason for her charade is that she doesn't want to kill Nathan.
I'm very sure that Audrey is only trying to protect Nathan. This is she is pretending to be Lexie. Right when she got back, Nathan put a gun in her hand and told her to kill him. She did the ONLY thing she could: pretended to be Lexie.
I love Jennifer and Duke together. She is perfect for him! Also, did you notice that Duke tried to play matchmaker with Nathan and Lexie? He wanted for Lexie to fall in love with Nathan! This episode was great for both Nathan/Audrey and Jennifer/Duke fans!
I'd say this episode was AWESOME but that doesn't do it any justice! IMO the best episode of this season. I don't usually care that much about the trouble of the week, but this time it was very, very interesting!
And this was a great episode for Nathan/Audrey and Duke/Jennifer fans (aka me)! I was certain that Duke wouldn't remember the things he did while possessed, but I'm so happy I was wrong. Jennifer and Duke are so cute and amazing, I love them. So glad he invited her to live on his boat. ;) Also, Jennifer has some great lines in, like, every episode (''I left my... pen in his leg...'').
And I didn't really see that ending coming! I mean, I've seen people speculate that that might be the case, but still. I like it, it's a nice twist.
Can't wait for next week! I hope the show will stay on this level of beyond-awesome-ness!
It was one of the best episodes, in my opinion! Some fans have been speculating that it's actually Audrey pretending to be Lexie because of that quick smile/smirk she had right before crossing over to the other door. Nathan called out her name, and she smiled. That gave me the hint, also. And what's a girl to do here? She gets back home. Right away, Nathan puts a gun in her hand and tells her to kill him. She loves him. She won't do it, but you've got the Guard standing around with guns. So she quickly pretends to be Lexie. It's smart. And it's definitely a very Audrey thing to do! Also, she can't tell Nathan because he wants to sacrifice himself! So she does everything to protect him!
I enjoyed the Lexie/Nathan scenes a whole lot. There was a lot of humor in them with Lexie calling him "cheekbones" and also pronouncing his name wrong! LOL. And now we know it was all Audrey! Not to mention, she also pretended to dislike pancakes!!!
I'm just happy to see Nathan/Audrey back together! There is nothing like the Naudrey romance. I'm happy it's really Audrey here. Nothing against Lexie. But Nathan fell in love with Audrey, and so did the whole audience!
I hope Nathan will find out next week! I can only imagine his reaction! And then we'll get a real Naudrey reunion!!! Lucas/Emily sharing scenes together is magic. That's all. :)
Also, I'm loving Jennifer and Duke together! The scene where he asked for her to stay. WOW. So sweet. He looked even teary eyed. I truly hope they'll keep Jennifer. She is so adorable! And Jennifer/Duke have the sweetest chemistry! He's so protective over her!
In other words, as a Naudrey and Jennifer/Duke fan, I'm happy with this episode!
YES FINALLY, Audrey is back. Great twist in the end. I suspected that she was faking the Lexi thing since last week episode, mostly because how she said "Hi" when she saw him after she backs. I think she wouldn't tell Nathan the truth in next episode, I think it'll take two or three episodes. she loves him, and if he knew, he will tell her to kill him, and she wouldn't do that ever. She will try to find something else to end the trouble without killing him.
Loved it, I cried when Audrey hugged Duke and said "it's me" it was so sweet :)
I love Jennifer and Duke together so it was a happy episode for me especially since I hate love triangles so I'm glad they gave Duke a new love interest and poor Nathan I really felt bad for him he was so tortured being so close to her but thinking the woman he loves isn't there anymore he wanted her back so much even if it meant he would die :(
The consequence of the barn dying was the Troubles not ending. No 27 year grace period, and possible increased wrath and destruction. As for the rest of your comments, I think it's safe to say you and I are watching very different shows and that we watch for very different reasons. Yet you make sweeping statements and present them as facts when they are in fact your isolated opinion. You speak for why "people" fell in love with Haven?
I fell in love with Haven for the characters and the relationships between them, and their journey, not for the 'trouble of the week.'
The consequences for the barn dying have been well established, well followed through with, and have set up an intriguing and dramatic season for the town, and all the characters in it.
So far Jennifer is a fantastic, well written, balanced edition to the show.
Probably shouldn't reply to you actually. You seem a little troll like with the sweeping nature of your comments.
Nathan assumes he died. I really hope he's still alive. We saw those 3 guys maybe one of them moved him somewhere. Maybe he went into the other world or something.
I think there are a lot of possibilities for how the writers could play that - and it will be interesting to see what they do with it and when and how it comes up again. Personally, I don't think James is actually dead (or his wife who got sucked into the barn as well - didn't she?).
Did you see how confused Nathan was throughout the episode? To me it was really funny and also logical. I do think that confusion made him not beeing at his best and therefore it would be harder for him to figure anything out.
And didn't it seem like any time that Nathan seemed to be softening towards Lexi or they were at risk for having a moment, Audrey purposely killed it? Like bringing up hard drugs to "cop" Nathan, or gagging at the suggestion of pancakes.
No his wife died. Her body got sucked away when the barn was destroyed but she was already dead.
There is no reason to bring her back they ended her relationship with James by having him find out what she was so there is no reason to bring her back. The actress has her own show so she'll be busy.
Agree really hope he isn't dead! It was a back story that I really enjoyed, plus now that his "parents" are known it would make for another interesting story. Yeah thought about his wife as well, then remembered she was shot and died. Also would love to know who William was as well as the two guys that where trying to kill him, where they an aspect of the burn trying to keep Audrey?!
Really loving this new season and hopeful it continues to build like its being since the start. So many questions ... love it :)
Yeah, that's right. I couldn't remember if she was dead before or not. Thanks. I think the actor that plays James is off doing his own thing as well, so it may not be this season, but I believe we will see him again.
I really liked this episode. It took me a day to think of anything beyond the Lexie/Audrey stuff.
Dialogue - There were so many great lines that echoed what I've been thinking, wondering, and theorizing. I'm probably not verbatim, but here goes... - Why do people still live in Haven? (Lexie) - Does the rest of the world know about this town? (Lexie) - What if all of these weird things are Audrey/Lexie's trouble?...Why not kill Audrey? (Jordan)
Trouble of the week - I liked the deadly, scary, and unique (to Haven) trouble, and the somewhat surprising nature of who was the troubled person.
Duke-Jennifer - Loved the Duke and Jennifer stuff. So glad that they've let each other know how they feel now. Looking forward to more scenes with them.
Lexie/Audrey - I loved how the main trio were back at solving/helping the troubled, but with a fresh dynamic thanks to how each of them have changed, most notably Lexie/Audrey. Loved the Lexie/Audrey reveal. After William said Lexie can be who she most wants to be, in last week's episode, I immediately thought she was going to come out of the barn and that door as Audrey. When she came out as Lexie, I was bummed, but willing to give the writers some leeway. Thank goodness I was tricked into this ride, because the journey was worth it. Lexie brought a fresh perspective and new dynamic to the show and the main trio.
More Questions - Since Audrey obviously remembers being Lexie and what happened in the barn, I wonder what/who else she remembers? Does Audrey remember being Sarah and Lucy too? Does she remember who she originally was? It'd be so cool if Audrey knows more than she's been, and will, lead on, to both the other characters and to the audience.
Last week's episode and this episode have really brought on a lot of surprises and plot twists that I didn't really expect a show in it's 4th season to still come up with. I am so pleasantly surprised! I am very eager to see what's next in this story.
Plus she stalling for now because she believes there's another way to end the troubles and just haven't found it yet..I'm surprised her past lives never bothered to find a way to end it.
You weren't the only one fooled. ;) But it really impresses me that the writers would write it like that. It makes Audrey really, really smart, to think of pretending to be Lexie to fool everyone into not killing Nathan. She's buying time until she can figure out what to do.
I also think it also indicates that Audrey remembers being Lexie, in order to know Lexie's history, skills, personality, etc. Not to mention the fact that Audrey remembered what happened with Lexie in that barn too. It's just so exciting to have so much potential for future story from this. I'm so happy with how the writers are telling this story.
My money's on William holding him hostage in the barn yes i said it the barn bc i still believe it's there dieing and believe the lighthouse is its new location of being hidden and William used Audrey to help her escape and help him escape as well and pretty sure he's the evil that Vincent and Dave are afraid.
That'd be so cool if they did that. If that's the angle the show will go in, for Jordan and Duke, I'm all for it. It'd make a new credible threat to Audrey/Lexie, gives a lot of family tension to Duke and his brother, and gives us a new "big bad".
I'm really enjoying having Duke involved more. He works well with everybody and isn't as hampered by rules, greater-good morality, and angsting like the "cops" in the show. I've been surprised and happy with how well Jennifer works with the story and the cast. I'm not the hugest Nathan fan, but I like Jennifer enough to not care about Nathan/Audrey drama, for now. There was always something about Nathan falling for Audrey because she was the only person he could feel that has always bugged me. So him whinging about how awful it was for him that she was a new person annoyed. He had no problem jumping into bed with Sarah who was just as different from Audrey as the faux-Lexi was. Whatever, it is true love. They are similar characters and should get along, I just wish there was a bit more spark between them.
It was a good episode. I'm looking forward to whatever new threat opening the door creates...please please please let it be Colin Ferguson. Until they get around to that, I'm going to enjoy Duke and his new roommate.
What is the point of Jennifer? There has to be a point to her. Now that she can't hear the barn. What does it mean? Is she also connected to the barn? Could it possibly be that SHE HAS TO DIE because she IS THE BARN? I know I'm stretching it but I just think there has to be more to it and since Duke loved Audrey - where does this leave things? So many questions and not enough answers. Love Love Love this show.
I agree with you. I'm loving having Duke more involved. I loved the scene where Duke was interrogating Katie all by himself while Nathan kept staring at Audrey. Also while I like Nathan/Audrey Duke/Jennifer Just bring a smile to my face in every scene they're in together.
Except that Nathan didn't fall for Audrey because she's the only person he can feel. It's like some people really didn't watch the show before episode 8....
Duke this season is a LOT better than in season 3. He's not the love sick puppy and third wheel he was during the previous season, but back to the same Duke from season 1 and 2 and I'm grateful for it. That's the Duke I love.
I loved how Duke was the one who figured out It was Audrey with him not Lexi. I loved how Audrey seeing Jordan all out for blood chose to take the Lexi persona to prevent Jordan from shooting Nathan.
Yeah, they are similar, they get along, he admires her. But their first good romantic moment was the kiss on the cheek.And then he starts to moon after her. They made the feeling something too big of a thing for me. It always got in the way, he'd be talking about liking her and bring up being able to feel her. It always makes me beg for them to clearly distinguish that he loved her for her and not because she was the only girl he could feel. And they never have.
Then they added the little romance with Jordan, her infatuation with Nathan mirrored it--he was a guy she could touch, ie, the same problem, which magnified it for me. And jumping into bed with Sarah so easily, like they were interchangeable. For me the writers made some missteps that impede me really getting behind the relationship. But really both actors are so chill, they just aren't giving out much energy romantic or otherwise, so I like it when they interact with other characters. They are just a bland potentially happy couple when they are together. There's nothing wrong, there's just not much there for me. So I like the show more as an ensemble where more energetic actors are in the scenes spicing it up.
For my part, I think this is absolutely true. Nathan was much softer because she was sort of back, and kind of grappling with that. I imagine he was even grateful to have her back in whatever form, even if he thought it was Lexi instead of Audrey. And... it also seemed like Audrey was trying to exacerbate her not-Audrey qualities so he wouldn't figure out it was her and so she could keep that wedge between them and not have him want her to kill him.
It has nothing to do with their personalities. They have been showing Nathan to have an interest in her since the pilot. It's right there, it's pretty obvious. All the little things he did for her, the silly jokes, the smiles, etc. Only those who refuse to see it don't see it. Episode 8 and the kiss on the cheek was, IMO, a way to make Nathan accept his feelings for her. If people think they're mean to be because they love the same movies/bands/books, why can't Nathan believe he and Audrey are mean to be because he can feel her?
Jordan and Nathan are nothing like Audrey and Nathan, who actually happened to have a history together opposed to a few encounters.
I'm not hating on your ship. But why Nathan can't believe he and Audrey are meant to be because his trouble doesn't affect her is because nobody's trouble affects her. I didn't like Jason Priestly for the same reason. Sure, he liked that she gave him crap and was smart and caring. But too much of the sell was that she was immune to his trouble and for me the same is true of how they are selling Nathan. No, it isn't meant to be because he can feel her. What is she the ideal girl for every troubled person in Haven? Ick.
He liked her. But it never went anywhere until he could feel her. And that was where I had a problem. He was trying to date that other girl and it just wasn't working because of his trouble and then he could feel Audrey, boom true love. Jordan and Nathan had some sparing and she obviously liked/likes him, but again the touching was what sold her on him. The parallel is "right there, it's pretty obvious." Everybody has an opinion. For me, I wish the writers had never made the romantic involvement hinge on Nathan's trouble because it is always gonna be a road block for me.
Nathan/Jordan is not mirroring Audrey/Nathan in my opinion, simply because Jordan used to take her gloves off the minute she sees Nathan to feel his touch, while Nathan used to avoid Audrey's touch, and she was the one that used to initiate any physical contact between them. In fact, it took Nathan a while to admit his feelings for Audrey to make sure that it has nothing to do with her immunity. Still, his ability to feel her touch is the icing on the cake, which makes their relationship kind of unique.
There were definite signs that Nathan was interested in her even before he could feel her. Their relationship develops into something romantic but right off the bat they clearly have a connection. In fact, nothing actually happens between them for a long time after he realizes he can feel her. The show's never really suggested that the only reason Nathan likes her is because he can feel her. We see them develop as partners and friends and that's why he's in love with her, not because she's immune to him. That's definitely an extra "sign" if you will, that they're meant to be, but it's not the sole reason he loves her.
Let me be clear to all Nathan/Audrey shippers. I don't dislike them. I don't think it is the only reason he likes her. I do agree they built up a rapport between them. However, one of the pivotal romantic moments, if not the most pivotal romantic moment, where it became clear that it was more than just liking each other and getting along and being interested in the sweet new girl was Nathan realizing that he could feel Audrey, this came right on the heels of his relationship not working because he couldn't feel. This I didn't like. Later when he wants to acknowledge his romantic feelings the being able to touch her and feel her was again introduced. This I didn't like. I don't like even the insinuation that the fact that she is immune from the troubles is mentioned as a reason for them to be together. When they introduced the Jordan relationship they flipped the script but used a similar story to the underlying concern of Nathan/Audrey: for the first time, his/her trouble didn't matter. He/she could touch and feel and love another person. This felt fated, the only one for you. This brought them closer. This I didn't like.
I wish the writers had made it perfectly clear that that had nothing to do with it. They haven't. They've complicated it and written parallel stories. Maybe they think it is a "fated" thing, in which case, I disagree with them. I don't like where they've gone. And for me, they haven't done enough to show Nathan falling for her other than she's a lead and they have similar interests. They don't do anything outside of fighting troubles. And we went from a procedural with sexual tension to all that weird stuff last season with Sarah and the Colorado Kid and killing the person you love the most. Can't they have a date first?
Im surprised you found something good about this episode. New girl has a name , it's Jennifer. And she has a purpose but its obvious you are negative towards her even if they reveal something "huge" arc wise you will negate it anyways. As for romance stuff? They exist since ever what show you watch again?
people fell in love with Haven as a sci-fi show but if you tell me two episodes in , people were watching for some big plot i will laugh,the show start pacing to audrey's arc slowly close to the end of season one until then we had cases .Also people fell in love with the characters.
And like it or not Nathan/Audrey as partners/friends/lovers is a part of it. You can hate it all you want but people did start watching it for their dynamic. Haven is not LOST or Fringe or Doctor Who or some sort of sci-fi show that contains 100 theories per episode consider science or timetravel or philosophy and math and equations. Most of the cases are not that complicated and they don't hide clues behind them as to a bigger picture .Even the timetravel episode was simple.
That doesn't mean we do not enjoy overall the show or the arc. But most of people watch for Audrey/Nathan/Duke as characters.Stand alone and together.And try to generalize the notion of Love/Romance in a sci-fi show is old as ever.and also makes no sense .Audrey is the central key of the show , she is the story. But the show is not 42 minutes of Audrey Parker. She is the main character but not the only one. Please realize that. Each character in a show can't stand alone in each scene.
And even if im not a big Elena fan you do know ,she is the main character of the TVD right? Like main female character? Really?
- EMILY ROSE'S ACTING. Oh my gods. I so want a joint show with Emily Rose, Tatiana Maslany, Anna Torv and Enver Gjokaj now.
- Duke's character development. He is not the guy the show started with. Back then he was careless "merc", but he grew so much - he cares for people, he puts himself in danger for Nathan, he constantly risks his life in business S1 premiere duke would not and even if we all knew how much Audrey means to him, he STILL tried to pair up Lexie with Nathan for greater good of them all. He is literally the most consistent and interesting male character on the show right now.
The Bad: - While twist of "Its not lexie, its audrey" fits Audrey's character and is smart, it YET AGAIN destroys any s ort of meaning to the finale events. "OMG BARN IS DYING" now is meaningless and pointless. There are no consequences. And that's three season finales in a row when "omg huge show-changing event" is made pointless within first half of next season. Writers should really work on learning how to add actual consequences for the stuff that happens. - New Girl is still annoying, cheery and pointless, and I still have yet to remember her name and she still is in every plotline. She is like Vampire Diaries Elena Gilbert - completely useless plot device , however this one is strangely CHIPPER.
- Can we please stop with romance stuff? this is not a soap opera. People fell in love with Haven for its mystery and mindbending twists. Not for some "epic love" nonsense that does not even belong in this show. The whole "love story" nonsense has brought nothing but bad things in last two or three seasons. Can we stop with that and focus on what matters? The character of lead heroine and the mysteries behind her existence and the town?
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YES! AUDREY!!! =)
ReplyDeleteWhoa, that was a great episode! Wonder when Wade discovered the truth about the Troubles. And he's still shady. And Wade/Jordan? Are we going there?
ReplyDeleteAnd oh God I ship Duke/Jennifer so hard. Extra room on the boat! He's falling in love with her! I can't.
Holy crap at the end! I did not see that one coming (although the not freaking out when Nathan kissed her should have been a big tip-off, tbh). Glad Duke figured it out. And I loved the little bit of Lexie we got even if she wasn't actually Lexie.
Cannot wait for next week!
OHMYWHAT- I wasn't expecting that, they put me on my ass and I loved it. Audrey lives. Shocked Duke figured it out and Nathan didn't I can't begin to imagine what it's going to be like the rest of the epiosdes
ReplyDeleteI think Jordan wants him to kill Lexie because Duke wouldn't
ReplyDeleteMakes sense.
ReplyDeleteAnother fantastic episode! They are really knocking it out of the park this season! I love it.
ReplyDeleteIt was so satisfying to see Audrey back in Haven. I have missed her so much. She also definitely gave the best lines tonight especially everytime she made fun of Nathan, LOL. I continue to love Jennifer/Duke! They're so cute together and I can't wait for them to kiss for real. And WOAH! at the end! I was not expecting Audrey to pretend to be Lexie the whole time. I wonder why she did that?
This show continues to be amaze me and I can't wait to see what happens next.
Duke figured it out because of how she acted when she got the bad guy out of him. She knew his trouble. Only Audrey would know that! I'm sure if Nathan was also in the room, he would have figured it out!
ReplyDeleteShe lied to protect Nathan, so she wouldn't have to kill him.
ReplyDeleteGreat episode for both Nathan/Audrey and Jennifer/Duke fans! I love this episode!!!
ReplyDeleteAs long as Jennifer is around, there is no more Duke and Audrey. I celebrate that fact every episode.
ReplyDeleteOhhh, duhh! That makes sense. I totally didn't think of that.
ReplyDeleteprobably but it'd be awesome if he saw through that Lexi facade. I really hope the only reason for her charade is that she doesn't want to kill Nathan.
ReplyDeleteI was also getting Wade/Jordan vibes during this episode. I like the idea of it, tbh.
ReplyDeleteThat ending! I knew that was Audrey, glad Duke found out she remembered!
ReplyDeleteI'm very sure that Audrey is only trying to protect Nathan. This is she is pretending to be Lexie. Right when she got back, Nathan put a gun in her hand and told her to kill him. She did the ONLY thing she could: pretended to be Lexie.
ReplyDeleteI love Jennifer and Duke together. She is perfect for him! Also, did you notice that Duke tried to play matchmaker with Nathan and Lexie? He wanted for Lexie to fall in love with Nathan! This episode was great for both Nathan/Audrey and Jennifer/Duke fans!
ReplyDeleteAudrey/Nathan and Duke/Jennifer oh my god.
ReplyDeleteI'd say this episode was AWESOME but that doesn't do it any justice! IMO the best episode of this season. I don't usually care that much about the trouble of the week, but this time it was very, very interesting!
ReplyDeleteAnd this was a great episode for Nathan/Audrey and Duke/Jennifer fans (aka me)! I was certain that Duke wouldn't remember the things he did while possessed, but I'm so happy I was wrong. Jennifer and Duke are so cute and amazing, I love them. So glad he invited her to live on his boat. ;) Also, Jennifer has some great lines in, like, every episode (''I left my... pen in his leg...'').
And I didn't really see that ending coming! I mean, I've seen people speculate that that might be the case, but still. I like it, it's a nice twist.
Can't wait for next week! I hope the show will stay on this level of beyond-awesome-ness!
It was one of the best episodes, in my opinion! Some fans have been speculating that it's actually Audrey pretending to be Lexie because of that quick smile/smirk she had right before crossing over to the other door. Nathan called out her name, and she smiled. That gave me the hint, also. And what's a girl to do here? She gets back home. Right away, Nathan puts a gun in her hand and tells her to kill him. She loves him. She won't do it, but you've got the Guard standing around with guns. So she quickly pretends to be Lexie. It's smart. And it's definitely a very Audrey thing to do! Also, she can't tell Nathan because he wants to sacrifice himself! So she does everything to protect him!
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed the Lexie/Nathan scenes a whole lot. There was a lot of humor in them with Lexie calling him "cheekbones" and also pronouncing his name wrong! LOL. And now we know it was all Audrey! Not to mention, she also pretended to dislike pancakes!!!
I'm just happy to see Nathan/Audrey back together! There is nothing like the Naudrey romance. I'm happy it's really Audrey here. Nothing against Lexie. But Nathan fell in love with Audrey, and so did the whole audience!
I hope Nathan will find out next week! I can only imagine his reaction! And then we'll get a real Naudrey reunion!!! Lucas/Emily sharing scenes together is magic. That's all. :)
Also, I'm loving Jennifer and Duke together! The scene where he asked for her to stay. WOW. So sweet. He looked even teary eyed. I truly hope they'll keep Jennifer. She is so adorable! And Jennifer/Duke have the sweetest chemistry! He's so protective over her!
In other words, as a Naudrey and Jennifer/Duke fan, I'm happy with this episode!
I wouldn't mind that if it mellows her down a bit. She's really been getting on my nerves with her trigger happy campaign against Nathan.
ReplyDeleteI think Jordan is going to try to get Wade to kill Lexie.
ReplyDeleteYES FINALLY, Audrey is back.
ReplyDeleteGreat twist in the end.
I suspected that she was faking the Lexi thing since last week episode, mostly because how she said "Hi" when she saw him after she backs.
I think she wouldn't tell Nathan the truth in next episode, I think it'll take two or three episodes.
she loves him, and if he knew, he will tell her to kill him, and she wouldn't do that ever.
She will try to find something else to end the trouble without killing him.
Oh man! Yeah it makes perfect sense :(
ReplyDeleteLoved it, I cried when Audrey hugged Duke and said "it's me" it was so sweet :)
ReplyDeleteI love Jennifer and Duke together so it was a happy episode for me especially since I hate love triangles so I'm glad they gave Duke a new love interest and poor Nathan I really felt bad for him he was so tortured being so close to her but thinking the woman he loves isn't there anymore he wanted her back so much even if it meant he would die :(
Also I'm loving the friendship between Nathan and Duke A LOT :)
ReplyDeleteCheekbones :D
Question?? If the barn was destroyed what happened to James (The Colardio Kid) :)
ReplyDeleteThe consequence of the barn dying was the Troubles not ending. No 27 year grace period, and possible increased wrath and destruction. As for the rest of your comments, I think it's safe to say you and I are watching very different shows and that we watch for very different reasons. Yet you make sweeping statements and present them as facts when they are in fact your isolated opinion. You speak for why "people" fell in love with Haven?
ReplyDeleteI fell in love with Haven for the characters and the relationships between them, and their journey, not for the 'trouble of the week.'
The consequences for the barn dying have been well established, well followed through with, and have set up an intriguing and dramatic season for the town, and all the characters in it.
So far Jennifer is a fantastic, well written, balanced edition to the show.
Probably shouldn't reply to you actually. You seem a little troll like with the sweeping nature of your comments.
Nathan assumes he died. I really hope he's still alive. We saw those 3 guys maybe one of them moved him somewhere. Maybe he went into the other world or something.
ReplyDeleteI think there are a lot of possibilities for how the writers could play that - and it will be interesting to see what they do with it and when and how it comes up again. Personally, I don't think James is actually dead (or his wife who got sucked into the barn as well - didn't she?).
ReplyDeleteOMFG!! I loved Lexie but I'm glad to have Audrey back, she definitely was lying so they wouldn't make her kill Nathan.
ReplyDeleteDid you see how confused Nathan was throughout the episode? To me it was really funny and also logical. I do think that confusion made him not beeing at his best and therefore it would be harder for him to figure anything out.
ReplyDeleteAnd didn't it seem like any time that Nathan seemed to be softening towards Lexi or they were at risk for having a moment, Audrey purposely killed it? Like bringing up hard drugs to "cop" Nathan, or gagging at the suggestion of pancakes.
ReplyDeleteI think this episode was anything but meh.
ReplyDeleteYou're absolutely right, it's gonna be hard to see Nathan suffering now we know she's Audrey and he doesn't.
ReplyDeleteNo his wife died. Her body got sucked away when the barn was destroyed but she was already dead.
ReplyDeleteThere is no reason to bring her back they ended her relationship with James by having him find out what she was so there is no reason to bring her back. The actress has her own show so she'll be busy.
Agree really hope he isn't dead! It was a back story that I really enjoyed, plus now that his "parents" are known it would make for another interesting story. Yeah thought about his wife as well, then remembered she was shot and died. Also would love to know who William was as well as the two guys that where trying to kill him, where they an aspect of the burn trying to keep Audrey?!
ReplyDeleteReally loving this new season and hopeful it continues to build like its being since the start. So many questions ... love it :)
Seriously, why do you still watch the show?
ReplyDeleteRead Sam and JIm's interviews they have both made it VERY CLEAR Haven is a love story Audrey and Nathan's love story it's the foundation of Haven .
ReplyDeleteYeah, that's right. I couldn't remember if she was dead before or not. Thanks. I think the actor that plays James is off doing his own thing as well, so it may not be this season, but I believe we will see him again.
ReplyDeleteLOL, she's troubled, that's why :-)))
ReplyDeleteI really liked this episode. It took me a day to think of anything beyond the Lexie/Audrey stuff.
ReplyDeleteDialogue - There were so many great lines that echoed what I've been thinking, wondering, and theorizing. I'm probably not verbatim, but here goes...
- Why do people still live in Haven? (Lexie)
- Does the rest of the world know about this town? (Lexie)
- What if all of these weird things are Audrey/Lexie's trouble?...Why not kill Audrey? (Jordan)
Trouble of the week - I liked the deadly, scary, and unique (to Haven) trouble, and the somewhat surprising nature of who was the troubled person.
Duke-Jennifer - Loved the Duke and Jennifer stuff. So glad that they've let each other know how they feel now. Looking forward to more scenes with them.
Lexie/Audrey - I loved how the main trio were back at solving/helping the troubled, but with a fresh dynamic thanks to how each of them have changed, most notably Lexie/Audrey. Loved the Lexie/Audrey reveal. After William said Lexie can be who she most wants to be, in last week's episode, I immediately thought she was going to come out of the barn and that door as Audrey. When she came out as Lexie, I was bummed, but willing to give the writers some leeway. Thank goodness I was tricked into this ride, because the journey was worth it. Lexie brought a fresh perspective and new dynamic to the show and the main trio.
More Questions - Since Audrey obviously remembers being Lexie and what happened in the barn, I wonder what/who else she remembers? Does Audrey remember being Sarah and Lucy too? Does she remember who she originally was? It'd be so cool if Audrey knows more than she's been, and will, lead on, to both the other characters and to the audience.
Last week's episode and this episode have really brought on a lot of surprises and plot twists that I didn't really expect a show in it's 4th season to still come up with. I am so pleasantly surprised! I am very eager to see what's next in this story.
Plus she stalling for now because she believes there's another way to end the troubles and just haven't found it yet..I'm surprised her past lives never bothered to find a way to end it.
ReplyDeleteYou weren't the only one fooled. ;) But it really impresses me that the writers would write it like that. It makes Audrey really, really smart, to think of pretending to be Lexie to fool everyone into not killing Nathan. She's buying time until she can figure out what to do.
ReplyDeleteI also think it also indicates that Audrey remembers being Lexie, in order to know Lexie's history, skills, personality, etc. Not to mention the fact that Audrey remembered what happened with Lexie in that barn too. It's just so exciting to have so much potential for future story from this. I'm so happy with how the writers are telling this story.
My money's on William holding him hostage in the barn yes i said it the barn bc i still believe it's there dieing and believe the lighthouse is its new location of being hidden and William used Audrey to help her escape and help him escape as well and pretty sure he's the evil that Vincent and Dave are afraid.
ReplyDeleteThat'd be so cool if they did that. If that's the angle the show will go in, for Jordan and Duke, I'm all for it. It'd make a new credible threat to Audrey/Lexie, gives a lot of family tension to Duke and his brother, and gives us a new "big bad".
ReplyDeleteShe doesn't remember who she originally was, otherwise she'd have a hell of a lot of answers and maybe she wouldn't have to pretend.
ReplyDeleteYou think? I'm still hoping she does remember, until Audrey says something onscreen to squash my hopes. ;)
ReplyDeleteHe's cast in Bitten with Laura. But his character is too important to kill off even if they had him back to proof he was alive and than he left haven
ReplyDeleteI'm really enjoying having Duke involved more. He works well with everybody and isn't as hampered by rules, greater-good morality, and angsting like the "cops" in the show. I've been surprised and happy with how well Jennifer works with the story and the cast. I'm not the hugest Nathan fan, but I like Jennifer enough to not care about Nathan/Audrey drama, for now. There was always something about Nathan falling for Audrey because she was the only person he could feel that has always bugged me. So him whinging about how awful it was for him that she was a new person annoyed. He had no problem jumping into bed with Sarah who was just as different from Audrey as the faux-Lexi was. Whatever, it is true love. They are similar characters and should get along, I just wish there was a bit more spark between them.
ReplyDeleteIt was a good episode. I'm looking forward to whatever new threat opening the door creates...please please please let it be Colin Ferguson. Until they get around to that, I'm going to enjoy Duke and his new roommate.
What is the point of Jennifer? There has to be a point to her. Now that she can't hear the barn. What does it mean? Is she also connected to the barn? Could it possibly be that SHE HAS TO DIE because she IS THE BARN? I know I'm stretching it but I just think there has to be more to it and since Duke loved Audrey - where does this leave things? So many questions and not enough answers. Love Love Love this show.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. I'm loving having Duke more involved. I loved the scene where Duke was interrogating Katie all by himself while Nathan kept staring at Audrey.
ReplyDeleteAlso while I like Nathan/Audrey Duke/Jennifer Just bring a smile to my face in every scene they're in together.
I thought Nathan was softer in general because she was sort of back.
ReplyDeleteExcept that Nathan didn't fall for Audrey because she's the only person he can feel. It's like some people really didn't watch the show before episode 8....
ReplyDeleteDuke this season is a LOT better than in season 3. He's not the love sick puppy and third wheel he was during the previous season, but back to the same Duke from season 1 and 2 and I'm grateful for it. That's the Duke I love.
I loved how Duke was the one who figured out It was Audrey with him not Lexi. I loved how Audrey seeing Jordan all out for blood chose to take the Lexi persona to prevent Jordan from shooting Nathan.
ReplyDeleteI suspect he got ejected like Duke. So he probably is like Audrey/Lexie but where he was ejected no one knows. Maybe William does.
ReplyDeleteYeah, they are similar, they get along, he admires her. But their first good romantic moment was the kiss on the cheek.And then he starts to moon after her. They made the feeling something too big of a thing for me. It always got in the way, he'd be talking about liking her and bring up being able to feel her. It always makes me beg for them to clearly distinguish that he loved her for her and not because she was the only girl he could feel. And they never have.
ReplyDeleteThen they added the little romance with Jordan, her infatuation with Nathan mirrored it--he was a guy she could touch, ie, the same problem, which magnified it for me. And jumping into bed with Sarah so easily, like they were interchangeable. For me the writers made some missteps that impede me really getting behind the relationship. But really both actors are so chill, they just aren't giving out much energy romantic or otherwise, so I like it when they interact with other characters. They are just a bland potentially happy couple when they are together. There's nothing wrong, there's just not much there for me. So I like the show more as an ensemble where more energetic actors are in the scenes spicing it up.
For my part, I think this is absolutely true. Nathan was much softer because she was sort of back, and kind of grappling with that. I imagine he was even grateful to have her back in whatever form, even if he thought it was Lexi instead of Audrey. And... it also seemed like Audrey was trying to exacerbate her not-Audrey qualities so he wouldn't figure out it was her and so she could keep that wedge between them and not have him want her to kill him.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree.
ReplyDeleteIt has nothing to do with their personalities. They have been showing Nathan to have an interest in her since the pilot. It's right there, it's pretty obvious. All the little things he did for her, the silly jokes, the smiles, etc. Only those who refuse to see it don't see it. Episode 8 and the kiss on the cheek was, IMO, a way to make Nathan accept his feelings for her. If people think they're mean to be because they love the same movies/bands/books, why can't Nathan believe he and Audrey are mean to be because he can feel her?
ReplyDeleteJordan and Nathan are nothing like Audrey and Nathan, who actually happened to have a history together opposed to a few encounters.
I'm not hating on your ship. But why Nathan can't believe he and Audrey are meant to be because his trouble doesn't affect her is because nobody's trouble affects her. I didn't like Jason Priestly for the same reason. Sure, he liked that she gave him crap and was smart and caring. But too much of the sell was that she was immune to his trouble and for me the same is true of how they are selling Nathan. No, it isn't meant to be because he can feel her. What is she the ideal girl for every troubled person in Haven? Ick.
ReplyDeleteHe liked her. But it never went anywhere until he could feel her. And that was where I had a problem. He was trying to date that other girl and it just wasn't working because of his trouble and then he could feel Audrey, boom true love. Jordan and Nathan had some sparing and she obviously liked/likes him, but again the touching was what sold her on him. The parallel is "right there, it's pretty obvious." Everybody has an opinion. For me, I wish the writers had never made the romantic involvement hinge on Nathan's trouble because it is always gonna be a road block for me.
Nathan/Jordan is not mirroring Audrey/Nathan in my opinion, simply because Jordan used to take her gloves off the minute she sees Nathan to feel his touch, while Nathan used to avoid Audrey's touch, and she was the one that used to initiate any physical contact between them. In fact, it took Nathan a while to admit his feelings for Audrey to make sure that it has nothing to do with her immunity. Still, his ability to feel her touch is the icing on the cake, which makes their relationship kind of unique.
ReplyDeleteAnd I love how Audrey used Lexie to mess with Nathan's head lol
ReplyDeleteThere were definite signs that Nathan was interested in her even before he could feel her. Their relationship develops into something romantic but right off the bat they clearly have a connection. In fact, nothing actually happens between them for a long time after he realizes he can feel her.
ReplyDeleteThe show's never really suggested that the only reason Nathan likes her is because he can feel her. We see them develop as partners and friends and that's why he's in love with her, not because she's immune to him. That's definitely an extra "sign" if you will, that they're meant to be, but it's not the sole reason he loves her.
Let me be clear to all Nathan/Audrey shippers. I don't dislike them. I don't think it is the only reason he likes her. I do agree they built up a rapport between them. However, one of the pivotal romantic moments, if not the most pivotal romantic moment, where it became clear that it was more than just liking each other and getting along and being interested in the sweet new girl was Nathan realizing that he could feel Audrey, this came right on the heels of his relationship not working because he couldn't feel. This I didn't like. Later when he wants to acknowledge his romantic feelings the being able to touch her and feel her was again introduced. This I didn't like. I don't like even the insinuation that the fact that she is immune from the troubles is mentioned as a reason for them to be together. When they introduced the Jordan relationship they flipped the script but used a similar story to the underlying concern of Nathan/Audrey: for the first time, his/her trouble didn't matter. He/she could touch and feel and love another person. This felt fated, the only one for you. This brought them closer. This I didn't like.
ReplyDeleteI wish the writers had made it perfectly clear that that had nothing to do with it. They haven't. They've complicated it and written parallel stories. Maybe they think it is a "fated" thing, in which case, I disagree with them. I don't like where they've gone. And for me, they haven't done enough to show Nathan falling for her other than she's a lead and they have similar interests. They don't do anything outside of fighting troubles. And we went from a procedural with sexual tension to all that weird stuff last season with Sarah and the Colorado Kid and killing the person you love the most. Can't they have a date first?
Im surprised you found something good about this episode. New girl has a name , it's Jennifer. And she has a purpose but its obvious you are negative towards her even if they reveal something "huge" arc wise you will negate it anyways. As for romance stuff? They exist since ever what show you watch again?
ReplyDeletepeople fell in love with Haven as a sci-fi show but if you tell me two episodes in , people were watching for some big plot i will laugh,the show start pacing to audrey's arc slowly close to the end of season one until then we had cases .Also people fell in love with the characters.
And like it or not Nathan/Audrey as partners/friends/lovers is a part of it. You can hate it all you want but people did start watching it for their dynamic. Haven is not LOST or Fringe or Doctor Who or some sort of sci-fi show that contains 100 theories per episode consider science or timetravel or philosophy and math and equations. Most of the cases are not that complicated and they don't hide clues behind them as to a bigger picture .Even the timetravel episode was simple.
That doesn't mean we do not enjoy overall the show or the arc. But most of people watch for Audrey/Nathan/Duke as characters.Stand alone and together.And try to generalize the notion of Love/Romance in a sci-fi show is old as ever.and also makes no sense .Audrey is the central key of the show , she is the story. But the show is not 42 minutes of Audrey Parker. She is the main character but not the only one. Please realize that. Each character in a show can't stand alone in each scene.
And even if im not a big Elena fan you do know ,she is the main character of the TVD right? Like main female character? Really?
Quite meh episode.
ReplyDeleteThe Good:
- EMILY ROSE'S ACTING. Oh my gods. I so want a joint show with Emily Rose, Tatiana Maslany, Anna Torv and Enver Gjokaj now.
- Duke's character development. He is not the guy the show started with. Back then he was careless "merc", but he grew so much - he cares for people, he puts himself in danger for Nathan, he constantly risks his life in business S1 premiere duke would not and even if we all knew how much Audrey means to him, he STILL tried to pair up Lexie with Nathan for greater good of them all. He is literally the most consistent and interesting male character on the show right now.
The Bad:
- While twist of "Its not lexie, its audrey" fits Audrey's character and is smart, it YET AGAIN destroys any s ort of meaning to the finale events. "OMG BARN IS DYING" now is meaningless and pointless. There are no consequences. And that's three season finales in a row when "omg huge show-changing event" is made pointless within first half of next season. Writers should really work on learning how to add actual consequences for the stuff that happens.
- New Girl is still annoying, cheery and pointless, and I still have yet to remember her name and she still is in every plotline. She is like Vampire Diaries Elena Gilbert - completely useless plot device , however this one is strangely CHIPPER.
- Can we please stop with romance stuff? this is not a soap opera. People fell in love with Haven for its mystery and mindbending twists. Not for some "epic love" nonsense that does not even belong in this show. The whole "love story" nonsense has brought nothing but bad things in last two or three seasons. Can we stop with that and focus on what matters? The character of lead heroine and the mysteries behind her existence and the town?
Overall:
4/5