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Oct 17, 2013

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116 comments:

  1. bobsehOctober 17, 2013 at 2:05 AM

    Awesome! The writing was spot on and the it had very, very good dialogue and I'm really loving the reformed Oliver/his new rules :-) can't wait for next week.

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  2. patriotfallOctober 17, 2013 at 2:05 AM

    Ugh, China White is such a pain in the ass. I really wanted Oliver to just kill her so he won't have to deal with her anymore. WOAH! at the end! That definitely came out of nowhere! Laurel finally made a smart and unexpected move. I wonder how Oliver is going to get out of this one. I need next week's episode right NOW.

    Great episode!

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  3. David FischerOctober 17, 2013 at 2:16 AM

    I never thought any fictional character would match my hatred for Lana Lang, but Laurel proved me wrong.

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  4. DarqueModeOctober 17, 2013 at 2:39 AM

    Agreed.
    Her change in feelings toward the Vigilante is nonsensical.
    She needs therapy and someone to tell her she is transferring her own guilt onto the Hood.

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  5. disqus_BLvd5NQY3FOctober 17, 2013 at 2:47 AM

    so Roy is slowly becoming Red arrow/speedy.....maybe he be the one who save Oliver? or the BC

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  6. ShannonOctober 17, 2013 at 2:51 AM

    LOL, i'm laughing b/c it's true. I so agree. smh. She made me so mad tonight, i got that fiery sensation in my chest. I just wanted to punch her through the screen tonight.

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  7. ShannonOctober 17, 2013 at 2:55 AM

    Unfortunately i was really distracted tonight. I saw everything, but couldn't REALLY pay attention like i normally would. But i did appreciate the banter between Ollie, Felicity, and Diggle. Sorry Diggs about your relationship. I liked you with her, hopefully it can rekindle. I also liked Roy/Oliver's seen. I also had a smile on my face right when Roy did...slowly but surely he will be Speedy. But i have a feeling, he won't make the complete transfer til the end of the season, or beginning of season 3. Ollie has to work with him a lot, and well he has to give up his identity to fully work with him first. I'll be so excited when that happens.

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  8. ShOwFrEaKOctober 17, 2013 at 3:08 AM

    Lol. I was reading your comment and got to the point, where you were saying about the ending and how it came out of nowhere. At that instance, I thought, wait, what ending, since I completely forgot about it and didn't kept reading forward, as I thought that you must have meant about Felicity getting that coffee for Oliver. As I was like "I knoww, right. I mean where did that come from. From the beginning, she was adamant that she'll never get coffee for him or anyone else for that matter. She even broke the coffee maker, viciously." But I got back to your comment and then realized, oh yeah, "that" ending, lol.

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  9. magnutudeOctober 17, 2013 at 3:30 AM

    Loved the ep as it gave us some great action sequences as usual and perhaps "fore-shaddo-ed" some info on the island to an eventual conflict coming between Oliver and Slade over Shaddo - ah the CW and their triangles.... lol. The weakest bit of the ep for me was Laurel's anger toward the Hood, sure I get that she might be angry over Tommy's death, but it wasn't like the Hood dropped the building on him.... meh writing for that, but i like that Laurel actually showed some smarts and set up and ambush, leaving us to wonder how he'll get out of that one (and of course he will - he's got trick arrows now...) liked the battle with China White and Bronze Tiger although it required much disbelief suspension, as a guy who's fast enough to cut arrows out of the air at close range at night really should've been able to cut him to ribbons, but I liked that it was another trick arrow that got him out of that jam (just like in the comics). Nice progression for the Roy/future Red Arrow (liked that the bolt that he carries around is red).

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  10. lala2October 17, 2013 at 3:32 AM

    Great episode! Bu the Alderman (or Jesus from TB as I like to call him) really got on my nerves! He has no idea why Oliver didn't show up for the fundraiser. For all he knew, there was an emergency in his family or something.


    And Laurel? Ugh. I'm so over her at this point. Her reasons for hating the "Hood" were just plain stupid, IMO. I'm gonna need a new ship . . . maybe Oliver and Felicity?

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  11. lala2October 17, 2013 at 3:37 AM

    Re: Laurel - That bothered me too! Her reasons for hating the Hood were just stupid. As you said, the vigilante didn't blow up the Glades or cause Tommy's death. Did she ever think maybe the vigilante realized Tommy was dying and couldn't save him?


    But the ambush was pretty smart! Hopefully, Oliver will keep away from her now!

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  12. lala2October 17, 2013 at 3:38 AM

    I didn't hate her last year, but I'm sure hating her this year! Haha!

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  13. lala2October 17, 2013 at 3:39 AM

    I wanted Oliver to kill China White too! She is very annoying and just needs to be dead!

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  14. ojt1982October 17, 2013 at 3:40 AM

    LIKES:

    The new narrative intro.

    The takedown of China White and Bronze Tiger.

    DISLIKES:

    Felicity bitch-raging at Oliver at the start of the credits.

    Raging bitch Laurel having her head so far up her ass that she would rather use the resources at her disposal to catch Arrow rather than help the people in the Glades.

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  15. JoOctober 17, 2013 at 3:42 AM

    wow, was there any character on tonight's episode that was even remotely happy? everyone is so miserable

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  16. start_wearing_purpleOctober 17, 2013 at 3:45 AM

    Anyone else betting on the Alderman being in bed with the triad?

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  17. ojt1982October 17, 2013 at 3:57 AM

    Or he has his own dark agenda.

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  18. Bruce_FOctober 17, 2013 at 4:37 AM

    Everyone's actions have consequences. Helena Bertinelli was a killer before she met Oliver and meeting him didn't change her at all except for the fact that she now has a new motorcycle and can use a crossbow.

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  19. DarqueModeOctober 17, 2013 at 4:39 AM

    The irony being that had the Hood killed the Huntress the first time around less innocents would have been harmed. Less deaths all around.


    I'm not necessarily advocating he should have killed her the first time or should kill every villain when he encounters them.

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  20. DarqueModeOctober 17, 2013 at 4:46 AM

    Exactly.
    I would even agree that innocents do in fact suffer at times. Villains can have family or friends that are hurt by their deaths. Every action has consequences like you said.


    Ethical and morals issue abound, but in the end, trying to be good and do the right thing all the time does not always serve the greater good.

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  21. Bruce_FOctober 17, 2013 at 4:49 AM

    Yep. Trying to do good won't always net good results no matter how hard you try.

    "I would even agree that innocents do in fact suffer at times. Villains can have family or friends that are hurt by their deaths."
    I also agree that innocent people suffer but my point of view on that is that those people are the villain's collateral damage, not Oliver's.

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  22. BellerinaOctober 17, 2013 at 4:55 AM

    ...I was feeling that punching feeling more toward Alderman. OMG! He is such an ass. But Laurel wasn't particularly pleasant either.


    Loved everything else about the episode though :)

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  23. StevenOctober 17, 2013 at 5:00 AM

    Explosive Ending! wow

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  24. start_wearing_purpleOctober 17, 2013 at 5:06 AM

    "Oliver hasn't hurt a single innocent person on this show. Not one."


    But have they all deserved to die? In one of the later episodes of last season Lance tells Roy and Thea that the Hood has a body count of 17(?). While I'd have to go back and check to make a better point, at what point did he have the right to take their lives in self-defense or defense of others? At what point was it more appropriate for society to have their say in whether or not someone lives or dies.


    On collateral damage, just want to re-emphasize what everyone said: The Huntress. Also though one other note. Oliver has stated numerous times he's fighting a war and the truth about any war is innocents get caught in the crossfire.

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  25. Bruce_FOctober 17, 2013 at 5:14 AM

    I'm not going to go back episode by episode but I'm comfortable in saying that most of the people Oliver killed were actively trying to kill him or someone else when they died. They were posing an imminent threat to either his life or the lives of innocent people. That's fair game.

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  26. AsiaOctober 17, 2013 at 7:10 AM

    Really good episode!!! Like the Oliver and Roy conversation at the station. Loving Felicity even more than last season :D:D:D:D Poor Diggle, I liked Carly.
    Laurel ANNOYING as always - in my opinion her character is a waste of air time. I like Katie Cassidy but her portrayal of Laurel is terrible but that's cause Laurel is boring and irritating character - not the actresses fault!!!! Writers should kill Laurel and leave her sisters character only when she'll be discovered alive!!!!

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  27. CanadagraphsOctober 17, 2013 at 7:18 AM

    That was episode 2?
    Felt more like a mid-season finale to me.
    What a cliff hanger.
    How will they top that for the mid-season or season finale?

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  28. Compass_1October 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM

    Wasn't as good as last week but had interesting developments. I loved the Arrow team, Digg and Felicity had some great one-liners, and I felt sorry for Oliver in this episode. No matter what he does, he ends up losing.

    Roy and Laurel had interesting storylines this week and I'm on board with both. I think KC's acting was much better in this episode than last season, and I like the idea of Oliver using Roy to find missions for the Hood.

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  29. Compass_1October 17, 2013 at 8:18 AM

    I think Laurel blames the Hood because it's easier to blame him than to blame herself, and that's a normal human reaction, so I can simpathize with her even if I don't agree with her.

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  30. Compass_1October 17, 2013 at 8:20 AM

    I wonder if he thinks he killed Bronze Tiger in this episode. I think he probably didn't but we didn't see him check.

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  31. thedane5October 17, 2013 at 8:24 AM

    This season is turning out great. I liked this episode as much as the first one. And wow, what an ending!!

    Laurels character doesn´t do anything for me (just like many of you), she looks like a barbie doll, and I honestly don´t see why Oliver/The Hood would have any interest in her. They need to make her character a little more likable for us to believe that.
    I love Lance though and like the development in him story, so I guess Laurel is good for something.

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  32. BellerinaOctober 17, 2013 at 9:02 AM

    Yeah I thought the Hood talking to Roy was good, and giving him a task where he could help but stay (hopefully) out of harms way was a smart idea. I am really liking Roy's development into Red Arrow.

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  33. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 9:12 AM

    Roy, at the end xD

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  34. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    I don't know but ohh, I hope so...

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  35. Compass_1October 17, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    I also liked Oliver accepting his and Thea's relationship, unlike some brothers that just can't accept their sister dating anyone (*cough* Klaus *cough*)

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  36. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 9:26 AM

    Oliver would blame himself for the global warming, and Laurel was not very much bothered about the Hood body count until Tommy had to save her sorry ass because some files were more important than anything else.

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  37. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    I think Felicity was a little too harsh on Oliver... I totally get her point, but yelling at him for the 90% of the episode wasn't funny.

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  38. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 9:39 AM

    My thought, exactly. I love Felicity and I love her newfound confidence, but come on, that was too much...

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  39. BellerinaOctober 17, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    That last part ^^^ made me laugh :p hahaha but I must say I was surprised by his acceptance. I half expected a scarier conversation between the two at the station.

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  40. InvestedInYourFutureOctober 17, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    Katie Cassidy was downright the star of this episode. That acting in the scene where she confronts Oliver/Arrow first time? SO much win.


    I got say the sexist double standards the fandom has infuriating.


    Oliver is entirely okay onto slaughtering half the city last season due to his feeelings, but Laurel can't act on her feelings and do her job? Give me a break.



    5/5

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  41. InvestedInYourFutureOctober 17, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    So Oliver Queen is okay with killing people for personal vendetta, but Laurel is "the most hated character ever" for DOING HER JOB?


    Smells like sexist bias there.

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  42. InvestedInYourFutureOctober 17, 2013 at 10:07 AM

    Were you even listening to the show?


    Laurel is full well in knowledge that Vigilante was fighting Malcolm during that time - THAT's what she blames him for. Oliver took his personal vendetta duel over actually saving people. Had he been in there, trying to stop it all, he might have had chance to save Tommy. That's Laurel's reasoning.


    Sure its flawed, but its no less flawed than Oliver's "I am going to kill everyone in this list because a hallucination told me to".

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  43. InvestedInYourFutureOctober 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    Innocent is relative. Were all the bodyguards and goons he offed deserving to die? Or did they die simply because for being in between Oliver and his targets? :)

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  44. InvestedInYourFutureOctober 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    Because Tommy was someone she knew.


    We are not that bothered by the news on tv that someone killed some people somewhere in the world. Or that an earthquake buried dozens. That's statistics



    Add at least ONE person we know to the list of affected, and our reaction changes 180 degrees.

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  45. prpleightOctober 17, 2013 at 10:26 AM

    Well Laurel is a more strategic thinker than her father. :-) absolutely loved the episode.

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  46. prpleightOctober 17, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    oh good. it wasn't just me.

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  47. InvestedInYourFutureOctober 17, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    "Oh god, she dared to display the fact that she is grieving! Quickly get a shrink!"


    I guess Oliver then needs at least 20 shrinks for killing dozens of people in grief over his father.



    And how many shrinks did Det.Lance need last season when HE was trying to catch vigilante?


    Oh right, none. Because both of them male and this fandom ignores flaws of male characters while condemning female characters for being realistic.

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  48. Compass_1October 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    Yes. I think he, Amanda, Deadshot, and Bronze Tiger will all work together this season.

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  49. Compass_1October 17, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    I think all of them need a good shrink actually.

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  50. EveOctober 17, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    I dont think people give Shado enough credit, like she (and her father) practically taught him everything that led him to being the hood and even inspired him to use a hood (shado was weariing a green hood last ep). you go shado.

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  51. shiriOctober 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    great episode and at the end i was like-what the F@%^ ?!

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  52. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    Oliver didn't killed Tommy, Merlyn did. Tommy would had come to rescue Laurel no matter if Oliver never had leave the island, so he would have die anyway. And maybe Laurel could have been saving people instead files, just saying.

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  53. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    But... 90% of the episode Shannon... poor Oliver :( ;)

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  54. swanprideOctober 17, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    It is not that she is grieving, but the way she is grieving makes no sense at all.

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  55. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    So then... Can't I hate Laurel attitude because she's a woman?

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  56. swanprideOctober 17, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    The difference is that we are supposed to hate him...but I think the aim with Laurel was to make her more relatable. The writers failed.

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  57. swanprideOctober 17, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    She isn't just doing her job. That was her father last year. What she is doing is dishing out her own brand of revenge towards someone, who has never wronged her (well, Oliver has, but since she doesn't know that the hood is him). This guy rescued her live at least three times during the first season and now she is angry with him because Tommy had to jump in to do it a fourth time?

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  58. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    I think it makes sense, she's blaming the Hood because in deep she blames herself. But that no makes it right. Just like a murderer can't be excused of his crimes because of a sad childhood.

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  59. BellerinaOctober 17, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    I don't think it was 90% of the episode. I can understand Felicity being angry at her "new cover story", she went to MIT and was happy in the IT department, and now she's fetching coffee and making Oliver's appointments. I think for her it was somewhat of an insult. But at the end, she comes around to it, thus the coffee.


    I know the episode appeared a little harsh for Oliver, with people disliking him for being Oliver Queen and Laurel trying to arrest him as the vigilante, but this lifestyle isn't always going to be smooth sailing for anybody. Plus, they're still trying to figure everything out as a team and individually. There's bound to be fiery conversations at times.

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  60. BellerinaOctober 17, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    I don't think it was 90% of the episode. I can understand Felicity being angry at her "new cover story", she went to MIT and was happy in the IT department, and now she's fetching coffee and making Oliver's appointments. I think for her it was somewhat of an insult, but by the end, she comes around to it, thus the coffee.

    I know the episode appeared a little harsh for Oliver, with people disliking him for being Oliver Queen and Laurel trying to arrest him as the vigilante, but this lifestyle isn't always going to be smooth sailing for anybody. Plus, they're still trying to figure everything out as a team and individually. There's bound to be fiery conversations at times.

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  61. swanprideOctober 17, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    I doubt that she looked on the clock while she was trapped under the debris. Between the fight (which might have happened to safe someone else) and him arriving on the scene too late to help Tommy a lot could have been happened to detain him. There were a lot of people in need, who is she to decided that Tommy was more important than all of them? The hood even told her that he lost a friend that day, too.
    It is more flawed because Oliver had a five year long traumatic experience which happened to no fault of his own before he reached the state he was in when he came back, and his reasoning makes sense. Laurels doesn't

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  62. BellerinaOctober 17, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    I know, but I was merely mentioning that my anger was directed more toward Alderman than Laurel.

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  63. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    Ok, not 90%... 85%, then lol

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  64. swanprideOctober 17, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    I honestly like the Thea/Roy plot way more than the main plot, which felt contrived and became annoying every time Laurel turned up on screen. Last season, she was just bland and useless. This season she is becoming a pain.

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  65. Back In Black Tricksteress 95October 17, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    It was awesome. Oliver is sure will have to act fast to escape!, this will be interesting how all this will turn out and when he will reveal himself to Laurel which would be a while yet :)

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  66. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    I'm liking Shado more and more each episode... and I don't like a bit a triangle is on the horizon with Slade. I smell trouble, and Oliver wearing THAT green hood in Pilot as he was all alone in the island makes me wonder if she's alive :(

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  67. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    Well, actually Oliver understand the boy, so...

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  68. InvestedInYourFutureOctober 17, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Let's forget that Oliver is grieving in EXACT SAME WAY.



    Both Oliver and Laurel changed their opinion on Vigilante in EXACT SAME WAY. The difference is that Oliver IS the Vigilante so he can't really just go off and catch himself, so he is intent to CHANGE what Vigilante stands for. Laurel does not have that freedom.

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  69. InvestedInYourFutureOctober 17, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Laurel WAS saving people by saving files. Blame CW for cutting the exposition on WHY SHE WAS THERE. The files she and others came back to save contained damning evidence in various cases against various dangerous people. If those files were lost, THOUSANDS of innocents would not get their help and dozens of criminals would walk. She was risking HER OWN LIFE to save thousands of people she was helping.



    AS for Merlyn and Oliver, sure WE know that. We are omnipotent in terms of fictional universe. All Laurel knows is that while Tommy was doing what Vigilante technically should have been done, Vigilant was killing Malcolm on the rooftop. She views the Vigilante as a selfish killer and she IS right - even Oliver himself views the Vigilante the EXACT SAME WAY because of what happened to Tommy.



    However Oliver and audience knows more than Laurel does. so while Laurel's vendetta might seem flawed and influenced by grief, it IS in a way justified - Hood NEEDS to go down. Both Oliver and Laurel are intent on exact SAME thing - its just that Oliver wants to kill the Hood by changing what it stands for, while Laurel does not have that privilege and knowledge.

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  70. InvestedInYourFutureOctober 17, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    The second sentence is hilarious, considering that's exactly what Oliver was doing for a whole Season one, yet fandom does not care.



    We as audience know that Oliver's actions could not change ANYTHING in the finale, but as far as Laurel and the rest of people know - Hood was murdering merlin on teh rooftop, instead of helping the people he has sworn to protect in the glades.



    Laurel was at CNRY saving files that if lost would let DOZENS of criminals walk free. She and the rest of her crew were risking their own lives to save THOUSANDS of innocents.

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  71. swanprideOctober 17, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Actually, he doesn't. Oliver's grief is all about the feelings of everyone else. It is about the way Tommy felt about his actions and it is about finding a different way to help the glades. Laurel's grief is all about herself, about her loosing Tommy and feeling let down, and her only goal is to catch this one Vigilante. Instead of making sure that the hospital gets what it needs, she makes sure that the police is busy elsewhere. She doesn't even care about other Vigilante's...she explicitly tells Roy that she doesn't care if there are other people out there playing superhero, she only wants this one.
    The whole thing is actually very much OOC for her because she used to be about helping and forgiveness first and foremost, so the leap is very grating not just in a sense that it makes her an annoying character as opposed to a useless one, it is also very grating because it doesn't really fit. The writers might have gotten away with it if it had been a knee-jerk reaction immediately in the wake of the tragedy, but there was quite a time-jump between the seasons. Laurel had enough time to sort out her feelings enough to at least put the need of everyone else over the need of her own revenge.

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  72. sarahOctober 17, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    I think the Black Canary is going to rescue him and that's how they meet :)

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  73. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Let's agree to disagree, my friend.

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  74. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    The Hood had Felicity and Det. Lance taking care of the one device they thought there was in the Glades, while he was taking care of Merlyn in that roof. Laurel MUST know that, because was HER FATHER who deactivated that first device. If she was saving those files to prevent criminals from walking free, then the Hood was doing the same thing with the worst criminal of Starling City. So if she's blaming him of not helping people on the streets, then she's guilty of the same charge.

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  75. vinbrudbneçoOctober 17, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    You're annoying and you come off as rude, whiny and bitchy. JSYK.

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  76. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    Damn, you're making such a good point I'm thinking they did it on purpose...

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  77. Compass_1October 17, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    And Klaus understood Marcel, didn't stop him from breaking up him and Rebekah..

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  78. Compass_1October 17, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    I totally understood where Felicity was coming for. She didn't sign up to be a secretary and this is not what she wanted for herself. Oliver made a smart decision to help them keep their cover on Queen Consolidated, but Felicity still had a right to be angry with him for that.

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  79. ShannonOctober 17, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    What?? I said I was GLAD he got yelled at. lol I don't feel sorry for him. I'm glad about the fiery conversations. lol

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  80. Compass_1October 17, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    I agree they were all fair game, but he could've still hit them without killing them as well like John at POI.

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  81. ShannonOctober 17, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    I'd say 70%....she had good reason. And it wasn't just for her it was for Diggle. I don't feel sorry for Ollie at all. The Only thing i felt sorry about was at the end with Laurel surrounding him...well actually i was more pissed. but yeah.

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  82. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Well, you could make a point with that, but Klaus is a 1000-year-old psycho vampire and Oliver not, so...

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  83. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    Yeah, and I said I get her point.

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  84. ViKiOctober 17, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    Ok, but Oliver had to take shit from everybody, as Oliver Queen and as the Hood. Maybe down the yelling to 60%?

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  85. DarqueModeOctober 17, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    I'm liking the Roy arc too.
    He is a bit angst-filled and over-the-top at times, but the story is interesting!

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  86. DarqueModeOctober 17, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    Could Oliver use psychiatric help? Absolutely! Obviously. XD
    It is not a gender based issue whatsoever.

    I dislike her 180% change because she does not see the larger picture. She is taking it personally. All based on her Incorrect assumptions of what happened during the finale.


    Going after Malcolm Merlyn was not JUST a personal vendetta. After all, he was the man trying to destroy the Glades and Starling City. If Oliver had concentrated on rescuing victims in the Glades it would have been treating the symptoms instead of going after the cause.



    You are right about one thing though. Laurel knows less than the viewing audience. She does not have all the information and is aware she does not, but still makes decisions based on her personal feelings, not logic.

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  87. Emad AbdullahOctober 17, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    Awesome episode and a really breathtaking cliffhanger.
    I really started to hate Laurel, she is becoming a noisy BITCH character in this season, more than the last season, I can't stand seeing her anymore.
    I liked how we are gonna enjoying some time away from China White before her trying to escape from prison later in the season.
    I don't see how will Arrow will escape from all that guns pointed against him.
    I think he will try to grap one of the cops and try to escape with him,
    OR he will to disposil one of the smokes that he has with him,
    OR he will try to talk them out of thier agenda (and this is the weakes thought).

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  88. DarqueModeOctober 17, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    One large and very important difference in their grieving...
    Oliver has all the information. He has a right to blame himself/ the Hood. Laurel does not.


    Regardless, he is not to blame for Tommy's death anyway so it is all a moot point. Oliver is wrong in changing the Vigilante in the way he did (no killing, no matter the cost) and for the reason he did.

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  89. Bruce_FOctober 17, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    Innocence, by definition is not relative. It's either-or. You're probably thinking of culpability which is relative. So, when you make your living as the muscle for drug dealers, human traffickers, racketeers, organized criminals, etc. through intimidation, violence, and murder your culpability is just as high as the person(s) you work for.

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  90. Bruce_FOctober 17, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    Oliver can't afford to be as particular as John Reese. Reese uses handguns capable of firing multiple rounds per second and carries extra full clips of ammo with him. If all that runs out, he can still use what he takes off the bad guys. Oliver can't take people out with a bow that quickly and arrows are a lot bigger than bullets so carrying an extra quiver around isn't an option. When he aims for a target, he has to make it count or he puts himself at greater risk.

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  91. lala2October 17, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    The alderman was a JERK! I couldn't stand him!

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  92. Back In Black Tricksteress 95October 17, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    Yes that would be interesting :)

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  93. Back In Black Tricksteress 95October 17, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    I thought he was just going to dodge but that would be interesting for Black Canary. Either way their meeting is going to be awesome :)

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  94. ShannonOctober 18, 2013 at 12:37 AM

    Hey if he's not getting yelled at, then he's not doing his job right. It was more tough love. That's all i can say. Sorry.

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  95. lala2October 18, 2013 at 2:31 AM

    And what exactly was the Hood supposed to do for Tommy anyway? Tommy got blown up. There was nothing anyone could do for Tommy. Is the Hood supposed to prioritize Tommy's life over everyone else's in the Glades?


    Laurel just feels like crap b/c she dumped Tommy for Oliver and then Tommy died. That is not the Hood's fault or problem!

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  96. lala2October 18, 2013 at 2:32 AM

    Yeah, it was OTT.

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  97. JoOctober 18, 2013 at 3:47 AM

    hahaha okay I'll give you that one

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  98. ViKiOctober 18, 2013 at 7:59 AM

    haha ok, better tough love than no love at all, I'll give you that ;)

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  99. BellerinaOctober 18, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    I've been thinking about that also lately, about Shado and her fate (Wilson's too). Oliver was found on the island alone, so it's going to be interesting to see how he went from being with Slade and Shado to being solo.

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  100. DarqueModeOctober 18, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    From what I saw last week I'm wondering if that Hozen (sp?) stone will play an important role in that dynamic.


    The stone could be what the new group of people were looking for. Maybe it's a sacred relic from Hozen temple? Or some artifact with rumored powers etc...


    It could drive a wedge between the 3 survivors on the island, or if Oliver never reveals he has it , maybe it will be the reason Slade Wilson makes an off island visit to Oliver?


    My thought was that Salde may appear in Starling City looking for Oliver and the stone.

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  101. chrisdvanneOctober 18, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    Not a very smart move from Oliver to go back and visit Laurel after what she told him the first time he visited her.

    Allow me to reproduce my advices to support the show and help it get better ratings:

    If you want to help the show get the best possible ratings, it's best if you watch it LIVE at 8pm and DVR the other shows sharing the same timeslot; if you recorded it, it's best if you watch it the same day (instead of watching it 1 or 2 days later). Of course, feel free to spread the word about the greatness of the show around you and on social networks such as Twitter or Facebook. Even if you don't live in the US, speaking about the show on social networks will help to generate and amplify the buzz, all the more so networks have tools to measure the online activity surrounding a show.

    Summer Glau's Isabel Rochev's comes back in episode four, 'Crucible', and hopefully in episode three

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  102. MeatyStakesOctober 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Laurel is acting like a shithead, but seriously all the hate is bringing my bliss down.


    I just wanna see where this arc goes with her, cause to me it just feels like she is projecting to avoid her own feelings of guilt. This could be a good plot at the end, but only if she realizes she is being an ass, soon rather than later.

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  103. emilyOctober 19, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    i love the felicity, oliver and diggle scenes! but i don't really get the hate of laurel to the hood?!!!!!!! her basis for her accusations to him is lacking significant amount of proof and evidence. i don't particularly like her last year, though i'm starting to hate her this time! though, i really love the scene where felicity gave oliver coffee, even though she vowed that she wouldn't do that, she did it ONCE because she must have sensed how upset oliver must have been :)

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  104. Compass_1October 19, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    I think their intention is to make her gradually decide to become a vigilante. Oliver didn't want to become the Hood until he was at a low point in his life and chose that mission to survive, and Laurel currently still doesn't have a good enough reason to want to become the Black canary.
    I think they will continue with the storyline of her losing it due to her grief over Tommy's death this season, and when she loses it and after whatever happens with her sister, then I see her rising again. It'll probably take the entire season for her to reach that decision though, it took Oliver time too.

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  105. omabinOctober 19, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    It was awesome! The writing was spot on portraying Oliver's conflict and even the scenes on the island were a proper match to what was going on. I also feel they are doing a great job at developing the secondary characters, everyone shined. Diggle and Felicity were awesoe as usual and I really enjoy Roy's arc, I am looking forward to the moment Oliver starts training him! But OMG, that cliffanger! It was out of the blue, I loved it Can't wait for the next one!

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  106. Ereth ReetnithOctober 20, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    what r they doing with Laurel?! if that is the writers' effort to make her the 'moral voice' of the series it FAILS. Yes, she is grieving but so are thousands of people and her professional position requires that she seperates her personal feelings from her job. Her new position requires her to help protect the city and while a gang is stealing medical supplies, leaving all the drivers DEAD, and causing even more DEATHS at the hospital, she redirects all resources to hunt down one man, who is, in this instance, 'irrelevant' to the wellfare of the city. Tt makes all the pity i could feel for her emotional trauma dry, cuz her actions cause immense indirect harm to others at this point exactly as the hood's actions caused indirect harm to others last season, so on top of her being written as a rather self-involved, hypocritical, narrowminded failure of a profesisonal, she's also written as...mmm illogical? crazy? mentally unstable? cuz, really? the vigilante should have saved Tommy? does that mean that the survivors can now demand that the vigilante should have been able to save every single one of the 500 plus victims? from an earthquake? how exactly? he failed to stop the 'bad guy' from triggering the device? oh wait, he was trying to do that by fighting the 'bad guy' himself! Laurel KNOWS that the one responsible was Malcom Merlin! Everyone does! She KNOWS the Hood was fighting Merlin at that point and she accuses him of...what exactly?
    Why isn't anybody blaming the authorities/police? it was their job to protect the city and stop this, the Hood was just a bonus volunteer....
    Yes, she has a right to grief but at this point she seems like 1. a bad professional (unable to seperate work and personal feelings in the worse way ever since it hinders her ability to perform her job), and 2. unable to process things logically (which makes her a. not the poster child for mental stability and b. even worse at her job: she's supposed to evaluate evidence and direct resources against the 'responsible' party. If she does this in this case, why would i assume she's capable of doing it for her other cases?)
    The whole thing doesn't make her interesting as a character. It makes her flirting with being the 'bad guy'.
    Please please please let her NOT be Black Canary! i LIKE Black Canary in the comics but this character of Laurel they created is NOT her!

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  107. SHIELDNCISfanApril 8, 2014 at 6:20 AM

    probably corrupt and working with the enemy

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  108. MidnightApril 8, 2014 at 6:20 AM

    I find it pretty funny that people are hating Laurel for blaming the Vigilante for Tommy's death when Oliver really does blame himself for his death. She does have a valid point about his high body count and collateral damage, although she obviously doesn't know that he really is trying to change that.

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  109. CPApril 8, 2014 at 6:20 AM

    Yeah I liked her last year but this year..nope.

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  110. DarqueModeApril 8, 2014 at 6:20 AM

    I feel the same way about Oliver's pity party over Tommy's death honestly.


    At some point he will realize that while killing without a second thought may be bad, but avoiding killing at any cost is also not the right approach.


    I'm sure everyone knows that the Hood's no kill ways will come back to haunt him at some point. Someone important to Oliver will be hurt or killed by someone the Hood let live. Then what? Should he go into blind rage and kill everyone (something he did not do to begin with even)? Of course not! Extreme reactionism.. ie overreacting is never the correct choice.


    It is not a black or white issue. It is a grey issue, or maybe green in this case.

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  111. Bruce_FApril 8, 2014 at 6:20 AM

    Oliver does have a high body count and in truth Tommy had a point about him being a murderer. Every time Oliver snapped someone's neck or killed them by some other manner because they saw his face and knew who he was, that was straight-up murder. That being said, I refute any claim of "collateral damage" whatsoever. Oliver hasn't hurt a single innocent person on this show. Not one.

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  112. Bruce_FApril 8, 2014 at 6:20 AM

    "At some point he will realize that while killing without a second thought may be bad, but avoiding killing at any cost is also not the right approach."

    I hope you're right. This "no killing" policy is ridiculous.

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  113. MidnightApril 8, 2014 at 6:20 AM

    You're absolutely right that Oliver hasn't hurt any innocent people, but his actions still have consequences. The Huntress arc comes to mind: he basically trained an unbalanced woman to become a better serial killer.

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  114. ShannonApril 8, 2014 at 6:21 AM

    I didn't NOT hate her last yr, but i didn't care for her too much either. But this yr. my tolerance is slim!! Just looking at her face bothers me...Ugh she really is Lana Lang. lol

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  115. ShannonApril 8, 2014 at 6:21 AM

    IKR?!?!? Omg!!! He's a dick! And i lovee the Actor, So it kills me to say that. lol i think he's going to be the guy we love to hate.

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  116. ShannonApril 8, 2014 at 6:21 AM

    Idt it was "funny" I think it was necessary. She probably had it building up, and now it seems yelling at him is the way to get through to him, so he can stop and listen. Personally i'm glad she yelled at him. She's got umph.

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