IN A FLASHBACK EPISODE, THE GANG PONDERS THE FUTURE OF THE TED, ROBIN AND BARNEY LOVE TRIANGLE, ON THE FINAL SEASON OF "HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER," MONDAY, NOV. 11
Bryan Cranston Guest Stars as Hammond Druthers, Ted’s Former Boss
"Platonish" — In a flashback episode, the gang ponders the future of the Ted, Robin and Barney love triangle. Meanwhile, Barney accepts a series of challenges from Lily and Robin, on the final season of HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER, Monday, Nov. 11 (8:00-8:30 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Bryan Cranston guest stars as Ted’s former boss.
CHEAT TWEET: .@BryanCranston guest stars as Hammond Druthers, Ted’s former boss #HIMYM 11/11 @8pm ET/PT http://bit.ly/1h61rFu
SERIES REGULARS:
Josh Radnor (Ted)
Jason Segel (Marshall)
Cobie Smulders (Robin)
Neil Patrick Harris (Barney)
Alyson Hannigan (Lily)
Cristin Milioti (The Mother)
RECURRING CAST:
Bob Saget (Narrator)
GUEST CAST:
Bryan Cranston (Hammond Druthers)
Michael Edwin (Eddie)
Christine Donlon (Toby)
Stephanie Lynn (Meredith)
Angela Sprinkle (Madeleine)
Sarah Karges (Elaine)
Sheldon Coolman (Shop Owner)
Kevin Fabian (Maitre 'D)
WRITTEN BY: George Sloan
DIRECTED BY: Pamela Fryman
Source: CBS
Bryan Cranston Guest Stars as Hammond Druthers, Ted’s Former Boss
"Platonish" — In a flashback episode, the gang ponders the future of the Ted, Robin and Barney love triangle. Meanwhile, Barney accepts a series of challenges from Lily and Robin, on the final season of HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER, Monday, Nov. 11 (8:00-8:30 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Bryan Cranston guest stars as Ted’s former boss.
CHEAT TWEET: .@BryanCranston guest stars as Hammond Druthers, Ted’s former boss #HIMYM 11/11 @8pm ET/PT http://bit.ly/1h61rFu
SERIES REGULARS:
Josh Radnor (Ted)
Jason Segel (Marshall)
Cobie Smulders (Robin)
Neil Patrick Harris (Barney)
Alyson Hannigan (Lily)
Cristin Milioti (The Mother)
RECURRING CAST:
Bob Saget (Narrator)
GUEST CAST:
Bryan Cranston (Hammond Druthers)
Michael Edwin (Eddie)
Christine Donlon (Toby)
Stephanie Lynn (Meredith)
Angela Sprinkle (Madeleine)
Sarah Karges (Elaine)
Sheldon Coolman (Shop Owner)
Kevin Fabian (Maitre 'D)
WRITTEN BY: George Sloan
DIRECTED BY: Pamela Fryman
Source: CBS
Yet another filler episode without the mother, not interested
ReplyDeletejust chill
ReplyDeleteAs much as I like seeing Bryan Cranston in anything, another episode about the Ted/Robin/Barney love triangle decreases my interest in the episode.
ReplyDeletewhy are you doing this? ENOUGH WITH THE STUPID TRIANGLE ALREADY, at this point I am actually only watching to see how it ends because I've been waiting since forever for Ted to meet the mother but by this rate I may stop and watch the finale. It's sad when you love a show and stick with it for years just to be disappointed in the final season just like LOST I loved that show but the series finale made me regret watching the show :(
ReplyDeleteBarney & Robin are so annoying this season...
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
ReplyDeleteI don't mind them, I hated Robin and Ted so much together that everything that makes that impossible is a relieve.
ReplyDeleteThe enemy of my enemy is my friend...
It's one thing to hate how drawn out they've made that relationship, or think they're better off with different people because they wanted such different things, but what's to hate about the year they were dating? Blue french horn, "I would have stolen you a whole orchestra." Come on, that's gold.
ReplyDeleteIt just always looked ridiculous, like I'm watching my own bother and sister making out, or people who aren't really into each other, well at least her not into him. And I guess you can say thank you to Hollywood for those 'neat' rom-coms if you honestly think empty 'romantic' gestures like that horn are gold. No offence.
ReplyDeleteOk game on ... except for the triangle challenges to barney looks interesting..
ReplyDeleteI'm actually excited for this! Anything to get away from the 24-like style if the wedding! Maybe we'll get some flash forward episodes later on in the season A's well!
ReplyDeleteOK, even though I was never invested into either side of the triangle, I have to address that ridiculous argument that Robin was never really into Ted. Robin did stop being that into Ted (arguably, more successfully than Ted did) but the show made it clear that during their relationship and up until Barney, Ted was the most important relationship she ever had. Because of Ted she managed to say "I love you" for the first time. And we're talking about a fully grown adult, not some adolescent who was growing up and learning about relationships. So for Ted to be the first one she said "I love you" to, I'm sorry but I'm guessing she really was into him.
ReplyDeleteAnd again, even though I'm not into Ted/Robin either, this season is making me question how Barney and Robin are the supposed "meant-to-be" couple, ESPECIALLY compared to Ted and Robin. At least, during that relationship Robin was likable, which is more than I could say for her and Barney this season. I mean, she even treats her best friend Lily badly for the sake of this relationship. Lately I feel Robin doesn't even deserve to have Lily as a friend. So much, that I kinda wish Lily would go find the Mother and become best friends with her, because they seemed to be getting way closer than Robin and Lily are this season, which is sad (and now I understand why during an Emmy interview, Alyson Hannigan said her favorite scenes that she shot this season so far, were the ones with the Mother).
For me, my biggest "enemy" is a relationship that makes the characters unlikable. So, even though I'm not rooting against Barney and Robin, lately they seem to be getting on my nerves.
You're right, poor choice of words, I should've said "not really THAT much into". Because as we learned Robin was in fact never that invested into the relationship like Ted, or she would've reacted differently when she found that ring in the glass, she never was as opposed to marriage as we thought, 8.23 made that clear, she just didn't want it with Ted. She was upset with Ted marrying Stella because she thought she was losing her only real chance of ever getting married (how awesomely wrong she was), same applies to Ted now (how awesomely wrong he is). And even the 'ILU' thing dosen't hold true, ask Paul Shaffer.
ReplyDeleteNah, Robin has always been that way, like when she was dating Ted and he wanted to talk to her about his day. What oh, so horrible did she do to Lily? Using her and Marshall's story to give that conservative moron of minister (who called Lily a whore because of her skirt) what he wants to hear as opposed to what he dosen't want to hear? Scandalous! The only thing bad was that it took her so long to come clean with their story, because the reality just is much more likely to be Barney and Robin's story of how they got together or closer to that, with the ups and downs and genuine problems like trust issues or insecurities or commitment. The ones who still cling to the idea of Ted and Robin are the people who believe love happens like Hollywood usually writes it (those 'neat rom-coms...), 'destiny' and typical cliched TV romance crap (OMG blue french horn!!!111).
100% agreed.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, are you comparing a teenage (or, at least, adolescent) crush she had on a guy she never even knew, to a real adult relationship she had with a guy for a year? Seriously, how can that even count as an "I love you"? It was just a song she wrote for an obsession she had at that time. If you count that, then I guess Barney will always be second to Paul too, since the song also included the lyric "if I ever get married, he'll always be second to you". As I said above, it was the first "I love you" she said as a fully grown adult in a real relationship, which in my book makes it for a real "I love you", not some weird obsession.
ReplyDeleteAnd, it's not even just the latest episode (in which, she not only stole their best friends' story for her own sake, she and Barney even continued that stupid facade by making Lily look like an insane addict to cover their own a**es). Two episodes back, in the episode where we are supposed to be reminded of oh how great Robin and Lily's friendship is, she yelled at her for not inviting anyone to her bachelorette party, from her well written list which included "that girl from that place".
And I don't care how she treated Ted, Lily is her only female friend and Robin should treated way better than she's treating her lately.
And, don't get me started on the "real" issues Barney and Robin have. I understand that every relationship has bumps that need to be overcome, but I really can't understand how a couple is supposed to work out if those issues appear literally every second, considering that this season is based all on the wedding weekend, so those problems come up literally one after another.
Wasn't just a song she wrote, she went to tell him that in person, that's what got her the restraining order, do you ever watch the deleted scenes? Maybe it was so hard for her to speak out loud because of this whole incident?
ReplyDeleteOnce again, big deal, what does it matter what an conservative ass like the minister thinks about the maid of honor? Other than already calling her a whore because of the way she was dressed. I couldn't care less what people like that think of me, really.
Never once did she yell at Lily, have we been watching the same episode? Yes, she dosen't have a lot of friends (only L/T/M), that is a really hard thing to admit to yourself, that's why she snapped a bit.
So you don't care how she treats Ted (the guy she, oh, loved so much according to you), but when it comes to Lily it's, oh, so terrible? OK... But how would you judge Lily scaring away Robin's new Hockey friend? Just because she has the hots for Robin, even knowing that she has no friends and finding new ones is pretty tough for her. That is easily one of the most terrible things you can do to someone who has trouble with making friends. But that's not an issue for you I guess...
The issues appear because they're two broken people, sometimes they struggle a bit, but they're getting there.
No offense taken, and random guest is doing an excellent job explaining my reasoning as well. From an unbiased opinion as well, because I do have a bit of a bias because I actually enjoyed Ted and Robin's relationship. Also, why in the heck would you watch this show if you think such acts as the blue french horn are empty romantic gestures. That is the basically the springboard of the entire show. By your reasoning everything Ted ever did for Robin, or Marshall ever did for Lily, or Barney ever did for Robin, etc, would be meaningless romantic gestures. But as mentioned, Ted was Robin's first serious relationship. And also a strong point mentioned is that Robin was actually a likable person when she was with Ted and grew as a person. That is basically my biggest miff with Barney and Robin -- they exacerbate each other's worst qualities and make each other frankly awful people. They basically get off on being jerks to other people and being narcissistic a**holes. And it's only gotten worse the further into the show we go and morphed Robin into basically a female Barney clone. It wasn't so bad in the beginning...I thought that their first "relationship" was a huge development point for Barney that showed him he could not only be in a committed relationship, but actually enjoyed it. But it should have ended there. Calling Ted/Robin unrealistic...that's laughable compared to "Hollywood" as you say expecting me to believe a relationship like Barney/Robin would survive in the real world. It's a relationship formed on sex and a mutual love of cigars and scotch, and they don't need to get married to have that relationship. Ted/Robin might have been idealistic, but Barney/Robin is mostly ridiculous and immature in my book, and the fact that so many people are buying it gives me an insight into why the freakin divorce rate is so high. And lastly, you mentioned in another post that Robin was never really that into Ted. That's basically deluded. She got over it more quickly than Ted obviously, but at the end of their relationship, the main thing that broke them up is that Robin wanted a career and Ted wanted a family, which is an unsurmountable obstacle relationship-wise. The fact that she said that if she wanted babies, she'd want to have Ted's babies...yeah, she CLEARLY wasn't invested in that relationship.
ReplyDeleteHer obsession with Paul Shaffer was not real love.
ReplyDeleteRobin was not ready for marriage early in the show, and it was not just that she didn't want to get married to Ted. Ted knew that when he got into the relationship and also knew she didn't want kids. It had nothing to do with not being invested in the relationship like Ted was. This was her first serious relationship and Ted was the first guy she said I love you too. (And please, Paul Shaffer being the first person she said I love you to is preposterous, that was just an obsession/crush.)
ReplyDeleteAnd I want to make it clear that I am not one of those people who believe Robin and Ted are meant to be, but I did like them when they were together.
My thoughts as well
ReplyDelete"Also, why in the heck would you watch this show if you think such acts
ReplyDeleteas the blue french horn are empty romantic gestures. That is the
basically the springboard of the entire show."
The whole concept is actually to subvert the idea of exactly that.
Growing as a person, I don't know, more trying to fit into Ted's little 'perfect girlfriend' mold. As opposed to you I always felt like Robin didn't even have an actual personality in her relationships with Ted/Don/Kevin/Nick.
They've both always been borderline sociopathic cold narcissts, she has a lot of things in common with Barney but she's not a female version of him, that would be Quinn.
A relationship based on just sex and a mutual love for cigars and scotch (which isn't even true at all, more based on the fact that both had to fight the same demons like daddyissues or commitment phobia, a mutual love for sports. Surpising each other, The Robin and The Barney come to mind. A mutual love for bending the rules, or getting turned on by elaborate lies) has still a more solid foundation than a relationship that is based on the ability to quote ghostbusters.
I never said she wasn't invested into it, just not as much as her fella.
Kudos to you with your logical and unbiased arguments. Brava.
ReplyDeleteWell, I guess we see good relationships differently, because honestly, no matter how "broken" two people are, for me a great, "meant-to-be" relationship is never a constant, endless struggle. For me, a relationship which is supposed to last for eternity should be easy. Not perfect, but easy. There is a difference there. Well, I guess maybe they are actually way too "broken" to even have a great relationship with each other.
ReplyDeleteWell, she didn't let go of how bad her bachelorette party was compared to Barney's bachelor and kept being mad at her. So she didn't literally yell at her, but she really constantly reminded her how mad she was at her. And wanting to get rid of that hockey fan actually shows me how much Robin still means for Lily, which is not what I can say for Robin right now or during that episode. The whole episode showed that Lily wasn't Robin's only friend because she didn't need any other friend, but because she had trouble making other friends. So, all in all, Robin matters to Lily way more than the other way round.
Again, she went to tell Paul that she loves him, without even knowing him. They didn't have any sort of relationship when she went to tell him that. How is that the same with saying "I love you" to a guy she had an real, adult relationship with? So, I insist, does that mean for you that Barney will basically be second to Paul?
And I said that I don't care about how she treated Ted, because as we've said above, Ted and Robin was never the "meant-to-be" couple, so basically that kind of behavior to Ted was a sign that the relationship wouldn't work out. But Lily is her only female friend, and instead of trying a bit to hold onto that friendship, she calls her a crazy addict to a complete stranger to cover her own a**. And if it's not important how a minister like that one thinks of people, then why did Barney and Robin didn't say the real story in the first place, or come clean when they were confronted again instead of driving Lily through the mud? If their story was so epic they didn't need to lie in the first place, then why did they and why they kept being so spiteful to their friend?
Obsession is a good call, in reverse you could say Ted's obsession right now is not love.
ReplyDeleteI kinda agree with that, but I wouldn't call it an obsession. Ted's love life is heading no where, so he wants to go back to what's familiar. However, that is not real love as he is going to meet his true love in less than three days now.
ReplyDeletePossibly.
ReplyDelete"And wanting to get rid of that hockey fan actually shows me how much Robin still means for Lily"
Wanting to get rid of a new found friend of someone who has a lot of trouble with making friends because Lily cares so much? Sounds logical.
"Again, she went to tell Paul that she loves him, without even knowing him. They didn't have any sort of relationship when she went to tell him that. How is that the same with saying "I love you" to a guy she had an
real, adult relationship with? So, I insist, does that mean for you that Barney will basically be second to Paul?"
I must admit, that argument is probably a bit out there.
"And if it's not important how a minister like that one thinks of people, then why did Barney and Robin didn't say the real story in the first place"
Because that guy basically behaved like a racist towards them.
How is it working to subvert that? By getting Ted with the Mother, they are basically implying that fate will guide you to the perfect person, etc etc. Romantic gestures are rampant in the show, especially with Ted, and they aren't empty unless the feelings behind them are. The very proposal you mentioned could be considered an "empty" romantic gesture, and even though I don't like Robin/Barney, I know that it wasn't an empty gesture and am not going to pretend that it wasn't.
ReplyDeletePerfect little girlfriend mold? That was one of the interesting things about Ted and Robin's relationship -- she DIDN'T fit into his "perfect little girlfriend mold." He gave up a date with what he perceived to be his "perfect girlfriend" to go after Robin. And Robin certainly had a personality, and it was a much nicer, rounded personality as well, and it wasn't defined by her being in a relationship with Ted/Don/Kevin either. She still had a lot of the elements she still has, but they were toned down and actually had more to them. She didn't fit into a mold nearly as badly with Ted as she does with Barney by basically becoming his clone.
Barney has always been a bit sociopathic and they've both been narcissistic as well, but that's exactly my point. They exacerbate those qualities in each other and those aren't exactly points to be proud of. And just because Quinn was a stripper doesn't make her a clone of Barney. Robin USED to not be a clone of him, but that's practically what she is now.
Again, being brought together by similar hang-ups isn't exactly a good basis for a relationship. The phrase "two wrongs don't make a right" comes to mind. People need to have certain things in common in a relationships (similar beliefs, goals, etc), but I think the best relationships have each person bringing something to the table the other person is lacking, and that is severely lacking in Barney and Robin's relationship. They make awesome bros, I'm not rejecting that, but marriage isn't necessary to that. I loved their encounters as friends, but those same elements in a marriage, not so much.
So what? If their story is so "epic" then why did they care? And what you're basically saying is that they cared of what the minister thought of them but it didn't matter to them what he thought of Lily? For their own sake, they didn't care of driving their friend to the mud, as long as how a person (the SAME person) had a nice opinion of the two of them? I'm not going to ever support such a nasty behavior.
ReplyDelete"Wanting to get rid of a new found friend of someone who has a lot of trouble with making friends because Lily cares so much? Sounds logical."
I would call it "behaving irrationally of fear of losing someone she really cares about". I didn't say what she did was good, and I in no way applaud it. But it showed me that Lily wants Robin in her life way more than the other way round.
I actually did enjoy Ted and Robin's relationship, too. I just meant that I since I knew they had an expiration date, that I never rooted for them to end up together or sth. For me, both Ted/Robin and Barney/Robin have had some cute moments. However, I must admit, Ted and Robin's relationship was far more enjoyable than Barney and Robin seem right now.
ReplyDeletePrecisely my thoughts as well. I wanted to root for them, but I knew it was unfortunately counter-productive. And there have been cute moments on both sides. I think you put it perfectly in one of your other comments...that a relationship that makes you hate the people involved is the worst kind of relationship. And that is what I feel has happened to Barney/Robin. Especially Robin. It genuinely makes me sad what Robin has turned into in recent seasons because she used to be my favorite character, and unfortunately she is probably my least favorite now.
ReplyDeleteBecause it would've been your classical rom-com if it wouldn't work to subvert all that, think about the worst cliches in TV history, in the case of this show that would be the whole Ted and Robin meeting, Ted stealing that horn, and them ending up together, The End. But we know they wont.
ReplyDeleteTed tried to fit her into that mold, a lot of his relationship with her was based on his hope that she would change. And the rest of what you're describing is called, Flanderization, it happens everywhere.
Not because she's a stripper, she literally was a writing device to give Barney someone who is even more Barney than himself.
Yes they're both sexually calculating, both devious, giggling and making their evil little plans like two demonic Village of the Damned children, and IMHO that's where the fun comes from (fun is important, this is a sitcom, not a soap opera mind you). But that's basically where the similarities end. Frankly, we probably just seem to completely disagree about that one, I think it's important to have common interrests, and you like to think it's important to be polar opposites, no need to discuss that any further really.
They probably never thought that he would ask her about her and Marshall's story, and not that he would even go and call her out on the "drinking drugs". You're acting like they abducted Marvin...
ReplyDeleteI would call it, "irrational fear of her doing girl on girl, with, well not Lily herself". In the way you jumped on Robin while defending Lily so knightly, it implies that you somehow think being a bit bitchy about something like that party is somehow worlds more horrible than what Lily did there, when in fact it just isn't. I feel like you keep disliking Robin and defending Lily just for the sake of it.
By that reasoning Ted and Robin would technically be the better option of the two (comparing it to Ted/the Mother). Obviously it's more realistic to realize that a real relationship isn't based on checking off points on a list. The "love at first sight" thing is obviously pretty cliche, but not as much as "fate guided me to the perfect person, I only had to wait long enough to find him/her." So still not really subverted in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteStill disagree very much on that point. He loved her the way she was. He didn't want "perfect" back then, he wanted Robin. Of course he was hoping she'd come around to the idea of having a family and marriage, and the fact that she didn't ended the relationship as it should have. It wasn't like he was making her take up the bass guitar or acquire a liking for lasagna to fit his mold. The Flanderization thing is a good point, but completely contradicts your opinion that she has more of a personality now than she did in the earlier seasons. She is being defined by a few crappy traits and that sucks for her character.
There's no denying that it IS fun, but they don't have to be in a relationship to be fun. It's even more fun when they aren't dating in my opinion. And no, not polar opposites. Polar opposites are likely to butt heads just as super similar people are. And Barney and Robin ARE super similar. For example, if I have a super bad temper and a short fuse, I would want to have a spouse who is more level-headed and can be calm about certain situations. It would be ridiculous to marry someone who had as bad of a temper because you would probably just exacerbate each other's tempers and explode at anything and everything. Barney and Robin fall into the latter category IMHO.
That only explains why they lied in the beginning about their story, not talking badly about Lily after they were asked again about it. What you've said so far is that it's a good to do anything to shed themselves under a good light so that the minister likes themm, even slam their best friend. But Lily shouldn't even care what the minister thinks. It's kind of a double standard if you think about it.
ReplyDeleteI would never do anything just for the sake of it. I used to love Robin so it actually hurts me what this season has turned her into. And I am mad about what a bitch she was at Lily in that scene because it wasn't even her fault that she couldn't invite anyone from that random list. And let's not forget, that Robin tried to make another friend with the help of Lily in the beginning. So yeah, in a moment of irrational fear she took all that help back, but she only acted that way because Robin really means that much to her, which is why she helped her in the first place. I don't defend what she did, my argument is that Robin obviously means much more to Lily that the other way round and that has become clear with Robin and Barney's obnoxious behavior towards her lately. Lately, Robin cares only about Barney, and I'm sorry, but I never support relationships in which the couple pushes away their best friends and starts behaving nastily towards them.
Exactly. It is so sad that Robin who I used to love so much, has turned into basically my least favorite character lately. I used to like Barney and Robin, but I can't support what this season has turned them into.
ReplyDeleteWe only know that it will work out for him because of the framing device, just because of the framing device we already know that he "just has to wait long enough to find her". If the show was called 'Ted and Friends' without him and his kids sitting there, it would look pretty grave for him right now, and MAYBE a lot more people wouldn't be so annoyed with him still pining for the wrong woman. Think of your typical rom-com, how do they go? Guy spots girl, he gets girl, they break up, he gets back together with her, The End. The thing that distinguishes HIMYM from that is the fact that the last part is just not going to happen.
ReplyDeleteNo reason to discuss that any further, you made your point clear and I mine. I don't see how the Flanderization contradicts that though, the defining parts of her personality (that have always been there, unless she was with... well you know my opinion on that) are just more obvious now.
I completely disagree with the super similar thing, yes they have a lot of things in common and so on and so forth, you know my opinion... The thing is though, never once since they got engaged have they been show as having a short fuse and bad temper, there was plenty of reason already to have huge fights, they might be a high energy couple, but it has always been harmless.
By that logic Ted and Robin would bang each others heads continuously, because other than the ghostbusters thing they've nothing in common, polar opposites. Or, Barney and Quinn because she's basically his twin.
"That only explains why they lied in the beginning about their story"
ReplyDelete'and not that he would even go and call her out on the "drinking drugs".'
Was actually more about the church than the minister himself.
"but she only acted that way because Robin really means that much to her"
If that would be true, she would want her to have a friend while she is, you know, one year in Italy.
"Robin cares only about Barney"
Not only, but he's obviously her number one priority. I'm pretty sure Robin is sorry for behaving like her relationship is the most important thing for her on her wedding weekend.
Well, they told their "epic" story in the end, so it's not like they would really do anything to get married at that church (which was kind of stupid in the first place). But before that, they didn't mind how Lily would look to the minister, only what they would look. And, apparently, for you based on what you said above it shouldn't matter for Lily what the minister thinks, but it's ok for them to keep a "good profile" so much that they make Lily look bad. Again, double standards.
ReplyDeleteAnd they wouldn't even come clean if it wasn't for Lily, who basically called them out on their pathetic lies to the minister.
I don't think that I need to repeat that I don't again support her irrational behavior, but if you think of the motive, that it was basically fear of losing her, that Lily is clearly more invested in their friendship than Robin is.
"Not only, but he's obviously her number one priority. I'm pretty sure Robin is sorry for behaving like her relationship is the most important thing for her on her wedding weekend."
Yes, only. And I won't base my observations on the show by your speculations, that she might be sorry for how she is behaving right now, because so far, she doesn't even show a little remorse for her and Barney's obnoxious behavior.
It honestly makes me sad, how some people think that a bagatelle like them using Marshall and Lily's story because they were wrongfully ashamed at first about their own story somehow justifies starting to hate on a character like that. (Even though Lily has done some, mmh, not so good things as well).
ReplyDeleteYou're acting like Robin killed Lily's pet.
You're being a LITTLE bit oversensitive here.
Yeah, I was cool with them the first time they got together (think it was very necessary for Barney's character development), but this second go-round just doesn't do it for me. Hasn't made a lot of sense to me (I would think the reasons they broke up the first time would still be there), and exactly like you said, I can't support what they've turned into.
ReplyDeleteI think you miss the point, that doing something as obnoxious as that (for you it's "bagatelle", for me it's simply awful) is actually the final straw and it's a series of events that show how much both Barney and Robin have degraded over this season. We didn't just decide we don't like them after one event, but it's an event that shows what they've turned into lately.
ReplyDelete"Well, they told their "epic" story in the end, so it's not like they
ReplyDeletewould really do anything to get married at that church (which was kind
of stupid in the first place). But before that, they didn't mind how
Lily would look to the minister, only what they would look."
Again, I don't think they care what the conservative moron thinks of anyone (including themselves), but for the church they care (was even implied when the minister said so).
"And they wouldn't even come clean if it wasn't for Lily, who basically called them out on their pathetic lies to the minister."
'BUT, BUT, MOOOOOOOOM, they lied to the 'sweet' old minister!'
Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
"I don't think that I need to repeat that I don't again support her irrational behavior, but if you think of the motive, that it was basically fear of losing her, that Lily is clearly more invested in their friendship than Robin is."
It's not like Robin can only have one friend you know? By that logic, Lily must really despise the mother, becasue we already know her and Robin are going to be besties...
"Yes, only. And I won't base my observations on the show by your speculations, that she might be sorry for how she is behaving right now, because so far, she doesn't even show a little remorse for her and Barney's obnoxious behavior."
No not only (was really fast to forgive Lily for scaring away that chick, or for spilling the beans of the divorce), and, jeez, do you ever catch sarcasm? No real need, to appologize, it's not like they did something truly horrible.
And yes, it's her wedding weekend, so her and Barney should be the focal point, there is absolutely nothing selfish about that.
I think, you miss the point.
ReplyDeleteI could somehow understand it if Lily was actually offended by it, but she really wasen't.
But hey, I don't really want to participate in this 'ship to ship' combat.
Go ahead, keep being offended by something as part of the audience in which the affected character found zero issues in...
Oversensitive dosen't even begin to describe you, really...
Why would they even WANT to get married in a church if they don't remotely care about any of the values that said church believes in? And why does being a minister automatically qualify someone as a "conservative moron"?
ReplyDeleteAnd the point is it's not ONLY that instance with Lily...Barney and Robin have been increasingly obnoxious jerks since they got back together WITHOUT it being their wedding weekend. You get the idea that Barney and Robin don't value Ted, Lily, and Marshall the way those three value Barney and Robin and each other. They've been too into themselves to give a damn about anyone else. Heck, even them attempting to break up the annoying couple from the restaurant at the end of the last season shows a level of nastiness that's just not cool.
They did seem to care what he thought of them, even if it was just for the church. And I can't understand why it was ok for them to drive Lily into the mud just in order to get married in that church. Anyway, I was going by what you said that Lily shouldn't even care what that moron thinks of her. So why did they? Why did they even care so much that they had to lie and talk badly about her, only to get married in that "conservative moron's church". It's ok to basically lie about your story and talk badly about your friend so that you get married by a "conservative moron" like that, but you shouldn't worry how that "conservative moron" thinks of you? I can't abide by that logic.
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm sorry, but your immature supposed sarcasm, doesn't really make a point. I didn't say she ratted them out on the minister, I said she called them out for their pathetic lies. That they thought that making her look bad would hide the true nature of their relationship, which is so "less-than-epic", that they have to subvert to such cheap tactics as stealing Marshall and Lily's story and calling Lily an insane addict.
Once again, I think you can't even read what I'm writing. I already said she behaved irrationally and it wasn't right. Just because she behaved irrationally once, doesn't mean that she will always scare away every friend Robin makes. Once again, you fail to see the motive behind why she did it, not if it was ok or not.
And really, your comparisons are extremely weak. So far, you're comparing Lily's drunken blatting out of an event I really think Barney actually SHOULD know about and a moment of clearly irrational behavior, to a series of obnoxious, not even remorseful behaviors of a couple the entire season.
And Lily DID feel bad for announcing the divorce.
"Why would they even WANT to get married in a church if they don't remotely care about any of the values that said church believes in? And why does being a minister automatically qualify someone as a "conservative moron"?"
ReplyDeleteI was just making basically the same argument above. Apparently, for that person above, someone shouldn't care what a conservative moron thinks of them, but if they want to actually get married by them, it's ok to basically lie and drive their friend into the mud. In order to get married by a "conservative moron". Yes, much more justifiable.
Because the church has 'cute coming out of the wazoo'.
ReplyDeleteBeing a minister =/= being a conservative moron.
But calling someone a whore because of what she wears, or turning down wedding requests just because they were requested by 'manhattenites' makes you a conservative moron.
And no, never once did I catch onto something like that. I guess you can only catch onto that if you are biased against those characters.
To be fair, they pretty much begged for it, hell I can garantee you I would've done the same...
Yeah, baseless name calling makes you win the argument.
ReplyDeleteAnd she was clearly offended by it, especially when they made her look like an insane addict, or else she wouldn't have made the point of the ugliness of her and Marshall's meeting, which was actually Barney and Robin's "epic" story.
Fair enough, although I still think they deviate enough for it not to fit as nicely into the formula.
ReplyDeleteIt's more the points of her character they decided to make define her. She was not defined by those points in the earlier seasons, they were just bits to a whole. They picked the couple points that were similar to Barney and magnified them instead of picking points like her drive for her career or, you know, actually being nice to other people.
The writers basically have turned them into one entity that have close to the exact same thoughts about everything, which is why it's become a running joke for them to say the exact same mean/gross thing at the same time and go "Awww!" afterward...I'd say that's pretty similar. I never said they had bad tempers, it was just an example. But it still applies. Things like being immature about things that don't matter, showing contempt for other people, etc are what I'm talking about.
They aren't polar opposites. Or they certainly didn't used to be, at least, even if it's closer to the case now. The last season or two widened the gap between Barney and Robin and basically everyone else quite a lot. In the beginning seasons when they dated they had different interests, but their behavior/attitudes weren't polar opposites.
Yes, but for you it's ok to basically lie and talk badly about your friend so that you get married by a "conservative moron" but Lily shouldn't care what that conservative moron thinks of her.
ReplyDeleteAnd talk about biased, when you basically say that you would have tried to break up a couple just because they stole your table. I personally wouldn't do such awful thing. However I feel about two people, I would never meddle into their relationship, especially if they're a couple of strangers to me.
Haha makes total sense to me...smh
ReplyDeleteRobin and Barney both didn't want to get married for a very very long time...I don't think a perfect little church wedding fits into their style very well, so it really doesn't make any sense. Find someplace else if you don't agree with the minister.
ReplyDeleteI'm really not biased against them. That is the reason I still watch this show. I love Ted, Lily, Marshall, Robin, and Barney enough to where I don't like what Robin and Barney being together is doing to their characters. And uh, I sense a large gap in morality occurring here. No matter how annoying a couple is, taking "their" table and asking a cigar to be put away does not warrant breaking up a relationship, however bad, in any situation.
To be fair, I find conversations with you highly repetitive.
ReplyDeleteIt's basically just going like this,
I have absolutely no idea why that would affect you so much. vs. Ohhhhh, it's so horrible.
Lily took no issues with it, move on. Like seriously.
They were ashamed at first. vs. Why did they do it?
You're acting like they killed someone Lily held dearly.
They lied to the mean old bastard, so what? vs. Ohhhh, they're so pathetic for lieing.
Because they were ashamed, scorn them.
Their 'how they got together' story is actually based more in reality as opposed to what Hollywood usually writes. vs. Their story is "less-than-epic", no meet cute!
Thanks for proving my point, some people (including the minister and you) just can't handle how reality looks like, so they get to hear what they want to hear, either by Robin and Barney (in case of the minister) or Hollywood (in your case).
If she would care so much, she wouldn't do that. vs. But that's true friendship! She loves her oh, so much.
I see what you're trying to say, but I just can't agree with you, if she would care so much like you say she wouldn't do that. Period.
What did they do really? vs. They're behaving SO obnouxious.
The only things that could be considered like that (in your world) have already been discussed, you never mentioned anything else... And then it starts again, but they lied to the minister! I feel soooo bad for Lily (even if she wasn't offended by it at all). Rinse and repeat.
Thanks Hollywood!
We're just moving in circles here, I have no interrest in wasting anymore time tbh.
It's really not a ship to ship war. It's a "the show has turned Robin and Barney into fairly awful and annoying people in the last seasons and people who defend nasty behavior are purposely shutting their eyes to that fact" argument
ReplyDeleteA rehash of our discussion basically proves my point, that your comparisons so far are weak.
ReplyDelete"Because they were ashamed, scorn them."
Yes, but according to you, nobody should feel ashamed of their story or outfits to that "conservative moron". Unless, they want to get married by that person. Then they can be so ashamed that they talk badly about their best friend.
And do you really think I think like the minister, that it means something to me if they have slept with lots of people or that they started of by cheating? You really are not getting anywhere if you make such rushed, baseless conclusions about people you don't even know. What I am mad about, is that they had to make Lily look bad exactly because THEY were ashamed of their first meeting. And she was offended by that. That was the reason she said her and Marshall's "story" the way she did.
I think it's basic humanity, not Hollywood, that believes that a meeting someone tried to achieve in college that lead to a relationship that has lasted more than a decade, is actually cuter than two people that went behind their friend's back. Not that I really think that Barney and Robin's meeting is something that goes against them, or that it shows that they shouldn't be together, but how on earth do you find that better than a couple that has been together since college? You really think that a long lasting love like that is just a product of Hollywood? And not an on and off relationship of a couple that started by sleeping together without even liking each other that much at that time? (because really, this is actually the most cliched love story Hollywood has ever done, two people that start their romance by sleeping together but not actually being in a relationship. It has been replayed over and over since the 90's)
And the point is, yes, I have discussed everything Robin and Barney have done that shows how awful they have become to their friends, but you have obviously failed to counter-prove my arguments. The only point you've made is that Lily MAY have been once not that good to Robin either, when she pushed her new friend away. (I'm not counting announcing the divorce, not only I think Barney should have known about that, but also Lily would have clearly never done it if she was sober) That doesn't excuse all the things that Robin has done to her, starting for being mad at her and continuously complaining to her for the failure of her bachelorette party (and it was clearly shown that it was actually Robin's fault for that) to calling her friend an insane addict just because she wanted to get married by a person YOU think nobody should
even care what he thinks of others.
Obviously, you think by calling me "Hollywood" will somehow give you extra points or sth. I'm sorry, but if your arguments are weak, they are not saved by cheap attempts like that.
Exactly, I'm not trying to say that Ted and Robin should be together, neither does the person I've just replied to. What we're trying to say is that we can't understand how Robin and Barney are the supposed legendary, "meant-to-be" couple, when lately they don't seem that much better than Ted and Robin's relationship (in fact, kind of worse)
ReplyDeleteUgh. This smells too much like another recycled plot line from previous seasons. We're already at Barney and Robin's wedding. We already know Ted is marrying the Mother. Why are they even wasting time on this pointless triangle? We don't even know the Mother's name! I have never felt more than a lukewarm fondness for Barney/Robin as a couple. I don't see Ted/Robin as having chemistry at all. I can go along with Barney/Robin since that's where the show is going, but an entire episode devoted to a triangle that is a zero out of ten in the heat factor? No thank you...
ReplyDelete"The gang ponders the future of the Ted, Robin and Barney love triangle."
ReplyDeleteJust read that and lost my interest in the episode, HIMYM writters just let it go!
I just couldn't agree more, i know i'll get disappointer rooting for Ted and Robin, but they have always sounded better.
ReplyDeleteDon't argue, i agree with you, but when it comes to swarkles, people get crazy.
ReplyDeleteBarney putting robin in first? he put even a laser tag ahead of her, please!
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