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Arrow - Episode 2.05 - League Of Assassins - Extended Promo

31 Oct 2013

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25 comments:

  1. disqus_BLvd5NQY3F31 October 2013 at 05:05

    Quetin vs BC does he know?

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  2. chloefarndell31 October 2013 at 06:53

    Not really all that impressed with Sarah being the BC. I think it's just going to pull Oliver back to the island so to speak just when he's on his way to moving on and becoming a hero.

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  3. Shannon31 October 2013 at 07:28

    Idts.

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  4. Shannon31 October 2013 at 07:29

    I;m ready to see BC and Ollie kick some more ass, I liked them fighting together tonight, and in the moment using one another's weapons, I enjoyed that.

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  5. swanpride31 October 2013 at 08:56

    I don't mind Sarah in itself, but the tap dancing they had to do for this twist was more than a little painful.

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  6. Cor Malum31 October 2013 at 10:57

    "There were things I did to survive..."
    See, I knew they were going to go down this guilt and atonement path again. It seems like Arrows writers can't think of another motivation for becoming a superhero, other than feelings of guilt.
    Anguish, self-recrimination and a deep need to do penance: I wonder if the showrunner was a fan of Dostoyesky's "Crime and Punishment?" The German name of that novel actuallly translates to Guilt and Atonement, which would fit a number of Arrow episodes very nicely now, wouldn't it?

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  7. Alex Forrest31 October 2013 at 14:57

    HOLY CRAP THIS LOOKS GOOD.


    I assume Malcolm was trained by the League as well, given that its members seem to be wearing the same black hooded gear he did.

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  8. Alex Forrest31 October 2013 at 14:59

    Really? I think it's going to be the other way around, Oliver helping Sarah reconnect with her humanity and eventually, as a result, her family. It feels like the two characters are being contrasted, Oliver was so happy to come back to his family from the island whereas Sarah is hiding from hers because she feels dead inside.

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  9. InvestedInYourFuture31 October 2013 at 18:07

    What's more hilarious is that its exactly the same path they seem to be writing for both Laurel and Roy too. And I am sure that when writers decide to make their own Birds of Prey in the show, Huntress will come down all ready to atone for her sins too. Ugh.



    The thing that worked about comics black canary was that she was NOT an atoner. She was a woman with power and skills who just saw it fit to use them to aid justice in her own way.

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  10. InvestedInYourFuture31 October 2013 at 18:08

    It was pretty much already stated previous season since malcolm namedropped the location league is set in.

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  11. Cor Malum31 October 2013 at 19:06

    Actually, I was thinking that Roy might end up being the first character that takes up the "hero profession" for mainly positive reasons, namely purely for the sake of helping people and not as therapy for a guilt complex.

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  12. Alex Forrest31 October 2013 at 19:17

    I don't think Oliver was driven by guilt when he decided to become "the Hood". He *feels* guilt over some things like taking Sarah on the Queen's Gambit, obviously, but it seems he undertook this mission to clean up Starling because it was basically his father's dying wish.

    I'm actually not sure about Sarah either. She feel remorse over her sins, but was that her motivation to escape the League, return home and start kicking the crap out of would-be rapists? We still don't know most of her story.

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  13. Alex Forrest31 October 2013 at 19:20

    Indeed. It seems the catalyst for Roy's choice to stand up and defend the city was being inspired by the Hood, the first person who did so. It's both poignant and a refreshing change of pace from superheroes with tragic backstories.

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  14. Cor Malum31 October 2013 at 19:28

    No, not when he first became the hood, but his "transformation" this season has been styled as guilt-driven (My best friend died thinking I was a murderer) and it just didn't work for me. It felt forced...like the writers first artificially built up a load of guilt, so that they could now milk the penace and redemotion angle for all that it's worth.

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  15. Babar Suhail31 October 2013 at 19:45

    Damn, this looks amazing.

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  16. InvestedInYourFuture31 October 2013 at 20:25

    Not if all the associations with guns he is is getting currently are any indication. There's more chances that they will use the "Arsenal" version of Roy Harper first and then have him atone, now.



    Also I would not say that's Roy's reason for doing what he does. Its part obsession about the hood and part his on suicidal tendencies.

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  17. sarah31 October 2013 at 21:16

    Every week this show gets more and more awesome!

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  18. Alex Forrest31 October 2013 at 22:25

    I guess it's a matter of perception, there's a fine line between atoning for your wrongs to "balance out the cosmic scale" (like Angel told Faith) and acting to correct these wrongs.


    Yes, Oliver refers to his father having done bad things but it always seemed to me that his main drive was to save the city. Regarding this season - I take that quote about Tommy differently. I think it was a wake-up call for Oliver. He realized he lost Tommy when his best friend took him for a killer and he'll never get the chance to fix that, so now he wants to change. Again, I just feel that it's not out of guilt, more like he had an epiphany about who he is vs who he wants to be.


    It's interesting, by the way, that this season's opening voiceover is about honoring Tommy's memory, as opposed to last season's VO about honoring Robert's. When his avatar was his corrupt, if loving, father, Oliver was willing to kill to achieve his goals. Now that he's doing it for Tommy, he's trying to be a better person.

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  19. Cor Malum31 October 2013 at 22:41

    Yeah, I guess that all plays a part,too. I still don't see Roy being torn apart by feelings of self-doubt and guilt anytime soon, though...if only because he doesn't seem introspective enough. He seems to be a straight-forward, but not exactly intellectual sort of guy.

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  20. Cor Malum31 October 2013 at 22:49

    Not just a matter of perception, but also of personal expectations, I'd say. Of course, your expectations -- not to mention your general frame of mind -- influence how you perceive things, so it's probably impossible to separate the two.

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  21. swanpride1 November 2013 at 13:14

    Well, his "poor boy with shitty parents" story is tragic enough in itself. But I know what you mean. It is nice to have a superhero who does what he does out of the honest desire to help and because he feels that it is something positive to do so. Even Superman, one of the few without a traumatic past, tends to complain about his responsibilities from time to time. But with Roy it is all "I have done nothing useful up to this point, and doing this, makes me feel like my life matters". It was certainly one of the best decisions the writers made for the show. I hope they stick to it.

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  22. Simon Aitken1 November 2013 at 16:05

    League of Assassins + Potential introduction to the Arrow version of Ra's al Ghul = AWESOMENESS!

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  23. omabin1 November 2013 at 19:21

    Like I said, this show just keeps bringing it! Can't wait!

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  24. Alex Forrest1 November 2013 at 21:25

    Do we even know for sure that Roy's parents were/are horrible? Obviously, the fact that they're not around isn't reassuring, but that's all we know (if I remember correctly). I mean, in his first episode he told Quentin that his mom is a drug addict and he's mugging people to help her, but then he implied to Thea that it was a cock-and-bull sob story.

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  25. swanpride1 November 2013 at 21:37

    He later said something along the line to her, and this sounded honest. Was just a throwaway line and I can't remember the episode.

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