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Arrow - 2.03 - Broken Dolls - Best Scene Poll

Oct 26, 2013

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45 comments:

  1. DahneOctober 26, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    Very tempted to vote "other" this time because I had to cut out a lot of my favorite scenes. This episode had many scenes I loved and hated. I really liked the Queen family scenes and almost everything about Quentin when he wasn't with Laurel. I also liked the bombastic music as Roy chased Sin and I loved Roy's fence. He screams fun, quirky recurring character to me.

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  2. Aylass01October 26, 2013 at 1:38 AM

    This was a great episode. It was nice to explore Quentin a bit more, what he went through after Sarah died, so I voted the one where Quentin talks with Arrow (The Arrow?) while waiting for the Dollmaker, and not only for that, but also because, well, team arrow in action. More of that please.


    I want to mention two sequences I liked. One, when Roy chased Sin, loved the way it was shot, and the 2nd when Slade and Oliver were running in the middle of the bombing.


    And finally, thank you writers for resolving Laurel's issue with the Hood so quickly, that's one of the reasons I love this show, they don't give you enough time to get tired of a storyline.

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  3. Cor MalumOctober 26, 2013 at 1:40 AM

    The way Quentin's smiles when the Dollmaker's lawyer tells Quentin he won't tell him anything unless he comes back with a detective's shield or a court order...because Quentin knows he has something better...the Arrow.

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  4. DougF00October 26, 2013 at 1:42 AM

    Clearly it was when the name Ra's al Ghul was mentioned. One of the greatest villains in comic history. Uh yes please

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  5. CanadagraphsOctober 26, 2013 at 7:00 AM

    I voted "Other"
    The Roy/Sin chase scene was really well done and deserves at least to be on the ballot.

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  6. BellerinaOctober 26, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    I voted other- The scene where Arrow and Quentin broke into the forensic lab, that scene stood out the most for me. Loved it.

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  7. omabinOctober 27, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    Laurel breaking down hands down for me. Katie Cassady brought it and I felt very emotional with that scene

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  8. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 3:11 AM

    " they don't give you enough time to get tired of a storyline."


    Ha! I agree with that and it's one of the things I love most too. I think having a Quentin-centric episode was awesome and only hope that we get one for Moira as well, since she is obviously still keeping secrets. I also loved the action scenes. One thing I can always count on with Arrow is a fast pace and lots of stunts.

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  9. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 3:12 AM

    It was great to see Quentin smile at all. While I liked that moment, the rest of the scene was on my least favorite list. Too much old school Arrow and Quentin didn't protest as much as I expected.

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  10. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 3:13 AM

    It was on the ballot until the very last round of cuts. Unfortunately this year I can only have 12 options, including Other, or else some Arrow episodes would have 16 options like I did last year.

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  11. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 3:14 AM

    I, as a non-comic book fan, am looking forward to finding out why people are so excited about this character.

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  12. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 3:15 AM

    Ha! That almost made the final cut as well. I loved how Oliver smiled at Quentin's disbelief that Felicity could pull up the skin cream so quickly. I thought the interactions in that scene were a lot of fun.

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  13. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 3:16 AM

    That was the only scene with Laurel that I liked htis week. Such a shame because it felt like we were looking at season 1 Laurel again after the premiere with Laurel 2.0 was so cool. I am hoping that this breakdown will transform Laurel into a character I can really root for.

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  14. omabinOctober 28, 2013 at 8:25 AM

    I liked the Laurel from season 1 better than the Laurel from the previous two episodes this season. While they explained it quite well that she was just projecting her guilt to the Hood in this episode, it still didn't make her actions rootable when she was pursuing him like that. This being said, I also have high hopes that they transform the Laurel character into something else moving forward. I want to see change and evolution in the characters and her going back to what she was would not be that.

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  15. omabinOctober 28, 2013 at 8:26 AM

    I also thought it was a pretty cool scene and I was very happy to see Bullet from The Killing Season 3 again! I had read spoilers that she would be on this season but I had totally forgotten them already!

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  16. omabinOctober 28, 2013 at 8:27 AM

    I kind of agree with you, I thought we got a scene with the Hood instead of the Arrow in that scene which was odd considering the progress he was making, that came out of the blue. But yeah the smile was awesome!

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  17. Alex ForrestOctober 28, 2013 at 8:47 AM

    This one was tough, lots of great scenes in this episode. I went with BC/Masked Blonde saving Oliver because A, the sonic scream was very cool (I like that they find technological, non-paranormal ways to give characters their powers from the comics) and B, I'm glad Oliver didn't magically pull something out of his sleeve to escape. It would've been far-fetched, even more than BC knowing when to show up.
    I would've voted for Oliver and BC taking out the Dollmaker... but frankly, he got off way too easy. One pipe to the chest and he's dead in a second? That sick, sadistic MF'er should have been shot, stabbed, poisoned, strangled, skinned and then set on fire.

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  18. Alex ForrestOctober 28, 2013 at 8:51 AM

    Frankly, it feels like Oliver was no less cruel to the lawyer than to the actual Dollmaker, who deserved it approximately 1000000000000000000 times more.

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  19. Cor MalumOctober 28, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    Yes, but that smile signified to me that Quentin had finally gone over to the Arrow's side... wich is why I considered that moment to be one of the most important parts of the episode.

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  20. RiverOctober 28, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    Seriously where are the ROY HARPER scenes???, he is the most interesting character with an interesting journey and story in season 2 so far . Colton Haynes also works well in the role, and of course he is good to look at too.
    That scene when he was chasing Sin was so awesome, his parkour moves are sick.

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  21. Cor MalumOctober 28, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    The writer's of TV shows use dream sequences in almost every other episode. I don't understand why they couldn't have used something like a dream sequence in this case, just to let fans know about the guilt feelings Laurel was suffering from. That would have spared us quite a bit of Laurel hating, in my opinion.

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  22. Cor MalumOctober 28, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    I see your point. On the other hand, Quentin was obviously planning on using the Hood's reputation to scare the lawyer into talking. When he didn't talk, Oliver had to use force. Unlike Clark Kent, he couldn't superspeed the lawyer onto the roof and then dangle him from said roof by his feet...hence, the arrow through the shoulder. I mean, honestly, who's gonna talk to you, if they know you're not gonna hurt them? Morally ambiguous, I know. But what else were they supposed to do= I guess they could have injected the lawyer with truth serum, but that constitutes a physical attack on a person, as well.

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  23. omabinOctober 28, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    I think that would have been a good idea, yes

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  24. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    It shocked me because it felt like several characters took a huge leap back to where they werein season one after they made such a big deal out of how they had changed in the premiere.

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  25. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    Absolutely! I am glad Masked Blonde took him out because he was one I never wanted to return to Arrow.

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  26. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    I think it was Oliver's commitment not to kill people added to them working together to stop the quake machine. Quite frankly, I am surprised Quentin didn't pull back away from working with Oliver once he shot the lawyer. It seemed somewhat out-oc-character to me until I rationalized it as Quentin replacing his Hood obsession with a Dollmaker one in a enemy of my enemy kind of thing.

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  27. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    I don't think Oliver is going to be able to walk that line. Either he uses Hood's reputation and stays the Hood or he does an about face and becomes Arrow. They've made such a big deal of Oliver's new name and attitude that this scene came off as either a throwback to season 1 or a writer who didn't get the memo about the new changes. Since the latter is definitely not true, it makes this choice circumspect to me.

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  28. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    I am all for character growth, especially in Laurel. For me season 1 Laurel was far less likeable since she tended to come in 2 flavors: hypocrite or martyr. I really liked Laurel in the premiere, so I am perfectly fine if she drops her crusade but still becomes more gray as a character. If she internalizes her guilt and therefore does not come off as holier than thou with all the other characters, that would be a great start. Mostly though I want Laurel to be her own person, not part of a love triangle, not kidnap victim, not plot device. I think they made a decent start with thatalready and really hope this breakdown leads to a Laurel renaissance.

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  29. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    I love Roy scenes as well and in every other episode at least one scene of his has been in the poll. However, this one was much more Quentin-centric and as such, both Roy scenes faltered in the final cut to get the list down to 12 choices.

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  30. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Yikes! You would make a good comic book character. :-P Seriously, I thugh Dollmaker got off too easy as well. I was not a fan of the beginning scene because it didn't make sense that Oliver had to be rescued in this situation when he's been in much worse. However, I adore the sonic scream being technological. It keeps the faith that the writers are not going to delve into metahumans any time soon. I love that!

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  31. Cor MalumOctober 28, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    I didn't say that anything in that scene actually led to the change in Quentin's attitude. You're right, that change was something that developed over the last 4 or 5 episodes. This episode, however, was the episode in which Quentin came to terms with his own change of attitude.That smile was the first visual manifestation of that change. In his final exchange with the Arrow, he then even goes even a step further, in that he explicitly admits that he has accepted Oliver's premise, that the end sometimes justifies the means.

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  32. omabinOctober 28, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    I agree with this. The distinction is being made for a reason and that line is way to thin to be walked on by Oliver at this point

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  33. omabinOctober 28, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    I think things are looking good. I doubt they ever do away from using her as the damsel in distress and honestly I don't mind that so much because it leads to great dramatic moments like in this episode, but I also want her to become more of her own person. I like her but I could like her more!

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  34. Alex ForrestOctober 28, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    It's been suggested that Fyers' mysterious female boss from 1x22 could be Talia al Ghul.

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  35. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    I am just hoping they don't drop it altogether. I'd love to know who was pulling the strings and how it tied back into Starling City or Oliver in particular.

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  36. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    I'm not quite sure how I feel about Quentin's about face. On one hand, i like him being an ally of Team Arrow and I really, really like his extended screen time. On the other hand though, it feels like he has gone too far the other way. I tried to figure out the dichotomy in my head for an Arrow article this week, but it just didn't gel for me. Maybe after I give it more time and thought.

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  37. Cor MalumOctober 28, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    I can see where you guys are coming from, but seriously...where is the difference between what Oliver did in this episode and what, say, John Reese of POI has been doing for the past two years? The difference ist the way they started Oliver's story in Season 1. They didn't need to start him off as a killer. As I've said before, they (Arrow's writers) are just not very good at origin stories.

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  38. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    I think her damsel in distress routine is used too frequently. If they scaled it back to only once a season, I think it would sit well with others. I look forward to when she becomes a kick butt female in her own right (as seen if a handful of scenes so far) and I would love to see her beat the stuffing out of someone trying to kidnap her and then have her rescue herself. I know that it would not have made sense last season but if she starts training to be BC this season, it would be a thrilling change.

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  39. Cor MalumOctober 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    The dichtomy is simple: Our rational side tells us that we should do everything acording to the law, as otherwise our whole civilzatiion will eventually collapse. The more primitive side of our nature, however, enjoys seeing bad guys get the crap beaten out of them. Superhero shows do not necessarily always appeal to the more rational side of our nature :)

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  40. DahneOctober 28, 2013 at 11:20 PM

    Yes, I get that. That's not why the article wouldn't come to me. I have never been a fan of the anti-hero though.

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  41. Cor MalumOctober 28, 2013 at 11:36 PM

    They made things unnecessarily hard for themselves in Season 1. I remember reading, before the show debuted, that the show's makers wanted Green Arrow to be darker and "more adult" than he was in Smallville. However, I think they went a bit too far in that attempt last season. What Oliver did in this last episode is objectively not ethically worse than John Reese shooting out knee caps on POI. If they hadn't made such a point of making Oliver a merciless killing machine last year, we probably wouldn't now be discussing the ethics of his actions in this last episode. But, they wanted to go the "guilt and atonement" route and now they have to somehow make that work. And I think it will, as soon as we leave all of these origin stories behind and settle into "normal" superhero mode.

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  42. Back In Black Tricksteress 95October 29, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    Wow its hard just to vote one so I went with The Hood and the Masked blonde saves them. Not only did I involved them all, it was epic :)
    If I had a second choice I would've voted for Quentin explaining about grief because it was powerful and the third would've been one of those island scenes because its always add to the insight of the past.

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  43. omabinOctober 29, 2013 at 8:23 AM

    I think the difference between what Oliver did and, let's say, what John Resse does, is that Oliver made a point in the last three episodes of saying that he didn't want to do that. I don't know, it just felt out of character for what he was trying to be at the moment to be that aggressive.

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  44. omabinOctober 29, 2013 at 8:24 AM

    I understand where you're coming from. I happen to not have that many issues with how much they use it but I understand why some would have. Also, I am glad that she is taking some guilt for what happened on the finale because the reality is that hadn't she been that stubborn and stayed there up until so late, things would be different.

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  45. Cor MalumOctober 29, 2013 at 10:23 AM

    Just my point...clumsy writing. They're artificially building up internal conflicts for what they hope will be dramatic effect. However, it just feels forced...not credible.

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