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12 Sept 2013

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114 comments:

  1. Lysh12 September 2013 at 00:26

    DEATH! I hope he's also waiting for a pizza. I love his love for food.

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  2. Paula Ireri12 September 2013 at 00:35

    DEATH! Ohhhh yeah! I cant wait!!!

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  3. Elena Wonderland12 September 2013 at 00:35

    Did...Sam...go...FLATLINE??? :O :'((((

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  4. skv 2212 September 2013 at 00:38

    Sam, Sam, Sam. Dean Who?

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  5. Dahne12 September 2013 at 00:40

    Death back! Best news for season 9 yet.

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  6. Sasha12 September 2013 at 01:09

    *HYPERVENTILATES*

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  7. Jewel12 September 2013 at 01:12

    That didn't take long. You do realize Dean is doing most of the action here and probably saves his life right? I never understand why "Dean fans" devalue Dean's purpose in a episode.

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  8. ryan12 September 2013 at 01:44

    Was that Abaddon in the trailer? Has she been re-cast yet?

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  9. Miss Supernatural12 September 2013 at 01:47

    It's Abbadon, yes. But thankfully she wasn't recast. It's Alaina Huffman (confirmed by Robert Singer)

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  10. Miss Supernatural12 September 2013 at 01:50

    Not that I'm not happy to see Julian back (I love the way he plays Death), but why is he the one coming to take Sammy? He won't take him back to the Cage, right?


    Sam wants to give up... :( ... I'm scared about what Dean will do to save his life.

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  11. ryan12 September 2013 at 02:11

    Yes! I really liked her and was disappointed when she killed/smoke-formed/whatever. Glad to hear she's back

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  12. Miss Supernatural12 September 2013 at 02:13

    Me too! She's perfect for the character, I'm happy that she's back. I wonder how it's possible, though, lol.

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  13. klutzy_girl12 September 2013 at 02:23

    Yay, both brothers are hurt! (I love Hurt!Winchesters, oops). And aw, Sam.


    This looks awesome!

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  14. CP12 September 2013 at 02:33

    Abbadon wants to force the fallen angels to do her work. Demons. Want everyone under their control.

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  15. Elena Wonderland12 September 2013 at 02:48

    GUYS.I just noticed something REALLY freaky.Do you see the EYES. http://media.tumblr.com/77c798e8c3ad2e340be709bb9291ef4a/tumblr_inline_mszohhvGSK1qz4rgp.png http://media.tumblr.com/29ea815b20fd43a01004f3cf0c67983d/tumblr_inline_mszois0Ej31qz4rgp.png WHAT DO THEY MEAN?!?!Don't tell me this is random.

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  16. kerinda12 September 2013 at 03:18

    wait she burn up come on what? well I guess if they liked her go ahead why do they always kill off the good ones and the bad one stay alive I don't get it.

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  17. kerinda12 September 2013 at 03:20

    I have no clue looks freaky just wait and see.

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  18. Back In Black Tricksteress 9512 September 2013 at 03:23

    Yes Death! I'm so happy haha.
    And I'm very excited for Supernatural to be here soooooooon.

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  19. Back In Black Tricksteress 9512 September 2013 at 03:25

    I thought the opposite of that. I think death will not only help Sam probably with a test for Dean but also give some clues to fight the angel war.
    About Sam giving up I think that's a natural reaction and both the boys will come out fighting :)

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  20. ShOwFrEaK12 September 2013 at 03:25

    Mannn, that ending just makes me hysterical.

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  21. kerinda12 September 2013 at 03:26

    NO NO NO ! not again Is this a repeat over and over again WHYYYYY! I don't even want to see it I alway going thought this again season 6 7 8 and now 9 GOD! I just wait untell oct 8 to see it and cry and then be pissed off with Dean again for what he did to save Sam and try not to be so down on the show and have a good season I will try.

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  22. Lysh12 September 2013 at 03:49

    Maybe it's the new Supernatural title card.

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  23. lsbloom12 September 2013 at 04:01

    Still don't understand why Sam didn't finish the trials. And now they think a doctor can heal him when Cas couldn't? That's just dumb.

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  24. JustinC0012 September 2013 at 04:09

    He didn't finish them because it would have killed him and Castiel couldn't heal him because he is a mortal angel now and before he said that he didn't even know what was happening to him.

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  25. lsbloom12 September 2013 at 04:18

    He's dying anyway. And it's not like he hasn't died before. All he has been doing since it starte was getting sicker and sicker. Maybe there was a loophole if you actually finished them--it is magic afterall--just stopping was dumb, he'd already passed the point of no return the minute he killed the hellhound. Closing the gates of hell=worth the risk. Now he's dying for nothing. Stupid.

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  26. lala212 September 2013 at 04:25

    You gonna check out the premiere now?

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  27. LucAltaiR12 September 2013 at 04:28

    Nice to see "Death" back.

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  28. Lysh12 September 2013 at 04:35

    It's an unpopular opinion, but I agree. I was surprised that Dean was surprised that the trials could kill them. I laughed when Sam was like, "....so?" Everything they've been working against their entire lives could have ended and I feel like they would've found a way for Sam to come back anyways. But then this is a TV show and without conflict and brotherly love, there would be no show.

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  29. Elena Wonderland12 September 2013 at 04:35

    Maybe they can't heal him but they can keep him alive for a while longer until Dean finds a way to save him.Dean couldn't have taken him anywhere else since time was of the essence.Had he wasted more time,Sam wouldn't have made it in the state he was when we last saw him.And concerning the yelling,Dean is desperate about his brother.It's totally understandable to panic and demand from the doctors to help Sam because for all Dean knows at this point there is no other way and no one else to heal him.

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  30. Dahne12 September 2013 at 04:39

    Yep, in June.

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  31. CyanaT12 September 2013 at 05:39

    I noticed this too and that's exactly what I thought - Eyes - but I have no idea what it means either. The 'Blue' seems obvious (Heaven) and the 'Red' (Hell) but that's all I have; of course, S9 is supposed to be about fallen angels and militarized demons and Abaddon is going to try to force the fallen angels to "bow to her".

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  32. CyanaT12 September 2013 at 05:47

    "Sam wants to give up... :( ... I'm scared about what Dean will do to save his life"
    .Ya know... that's my sole objection to this storyline and how far Dean (the writers allow ONLY Dean to go) to "SAVE SAM AGAIN". Why for Chuck's sake is Sam NEVER allowed to be successful at saving Dean ... I'm talking about the major saves (Hell, Purgatory)? This bugs the hell out me.

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  33. Caz7412 September 2013 at 05:54

    Um, because that would have closed the gates of hell and all the demons not on earth would have been stuck down there. They are not going to do that when they still have potentially 2 or more seasons left. As to yelling at the doctors to cure him, who thinks ratinally when the one person you love is in danger?

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  34. Sawyer Orestis12 September 2013 at 07:41

    It's just a 20second promo. Relax....

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  35. tvmonkey12 September 2013 at 07:47

    ridiculous considering the episode is going to be mostly Dean and all the spoilers for the first half of the season so far suggest it is Dean centric as per the case for many seasons now.

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  36. tvmonkey12 September 2013 at 07:52

    I think its less of a test for Dean and more of a deal one that Dean will take while pushing all consequences to the side for the time being, he'll jump in head first to save Sam and watch Sam go through changes without saying anything about why its happening to Sam. Hence the guilt.

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  37. Shannon12 September 2013 at 09:14

    hahahaha how funny is that line? "you mean to tell me that my brother's life is in god's hands?!?!' That's rich, he must be thinking that his brother is a goner. lol I still don't get why "God" hasn't shown up yet. I mean what's the hold up? Did they wait this long on purpose?? Well actually, no they couldn't have, cuz they didn't know the show would last thing long.Ok so that idea is out. Well then then i got nothing. Unless every person who auditions for the role, just plain old SUCKS!!

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  38. Back In Black Tricksteress 9512 September 2013 at 09:29

    Kinda what I meant test, deal same thing (in my head). I just thought of another thing, what if Death had kept Sam-you know his out of experience body while he was in hospital and Dean found Death or vice versa.
    Or because of the small death snippet of this he was healing, because in that scene I had a feeling he was alone.
    And of course Dean would feel guilty I wouldn't need to be told that, I'm sort of focused on Death=Secret, but when Sam sees him I doubt it now because how long is this secret duration goes on for?. I did mention other theories that I won't repeat.
    On a positive note Death is back, Crowley still alive and Abaddon is fired up so lots of story to tell.

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  39. rehabber12 September 2013 at 11:26

    I love his kind of food. ;)

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  40. rehabber12 September 2013 at 11:38

    And that is the very reason I did not like last season. Why didn't Sam even look for Dean. Dean has gone to Hell for Sam and he could not even be bothered to try and find him, pick up a book, call a friend, look for Kevin..NOTHING. So not like Sam.



    I know I am being irrational but if I feel betrayed by Sam just think how Dean felt and he seems to have gotten over it MUCH faster than I have. lol Not sure if I will ever look at Sam the same way I did the first 7 years again and that breaks my heart. Maybe if they will just let him SMILE again, his smile lights up my room. ;)

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  41. JustinC0012 September 2013 at 13:29

    Chuck is God.

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  42. rehabber12 September 2013 at 13:56

    I'm glad it worked for you..did not for me. Dean always backs down when it comes to Sam, because he does not want to hunt alone. Sam is fine alone as last season showed.

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  43. SN_gal12 September 2013 at 13:59

    What exactly is Dean centic? The premier might have Dean a little more involved in the action but its really all about Sam (again). He's worrying about Sam (again). He's saving Sam (again). Sam's giving up (again). His secret heavily involves Sam (again).

    The fallout of the secret leads to a big Sam storyline (again) one Jared called a wet dream and the best ever for Sam.

    Dean will probably get center stage when when things go wrong so he can accept all the blame (again) Guess this is what was meant by a new level of guilt Instead of Dean just blaming himself for things this time Carver and Co. are leaving no room for doubt. It will all be Dean's fault (again)

    What storyline does Dean have? He gets to fight pidgeons. We get to meet a former childhood crush. Those aren't storylines. They're one offs. Guilt and worry aren't storylines there character traits.

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  44. rehabber12 September 2013 at 16:46

    Of course it is crappy writing, it is about characters, they are NOT real, so it is all writing. Sam has run away every chance he has gotten, the pilot had him in school. Flash backs showed him having run away..he has never wanted to be in the "family business". Yes he works with Dean, but has told him many times, when this is over I am gone.

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  45. Robert James Watkins12 September 2013 at 17:03

    It's not about being fine alone, it was about getting out of the life. He had a way out and he took it. After all the times he spent obsessed with getting Dean out of hell or out of a deal, etc. It always bite him in the ass. This one time, he actually did what they always told each other to do. It was well intentioned but came back to bite him, he disappointed Dean. That's who Sam has pretty much always been, a guy with good intentions that end up biting him in the ass. He never wanted to be a hunter.

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  46. Robert James Watkins12 September 2013 at 17:07

    Not another Dean vs Sam post. Both brothers carry a bunch of guilt, that's not particular to Dean. Sam didn't look for Dean, that is something he felt guilty about, not Dean.

    We don't know what the storylines are, stop complaining, you haven't seen a single episode.

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  47. sharonally12 September 2013 at 17:16

    We have never really had Sam in a hospital bed so I cannot see how it hurts not to have Sam just get up and walk away from something for a change. I felt the wall break was poorly dealt with and then quick fixed as if it was a minor injury he had. As for Dean that depends on what side of the fence you are sitting on the show is pretty much Dean centric so except for the odd time he is at the centre of everything happening and it is his view we see .


    The blame thing seems ironic considering the amount is laid at Sam's door by both fandom and show so if Dean does take some blame IMO it isnt disproportionate to most on the show .

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  48. isleofskye12 September 2013 at 17:33

    All Sam needed was a rogue reaper to get Dean out of Purgatory, easy as pie, thanks to Carver's poor showrunning efforts.

    Then the bros never said not to look for each other, only not to sell their souls etc, to get the other back.
    Dean could have merely been transported to the next town for all Sam knew.
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    As for the last scene it in no way made up for Sam not being allowed to look. The 'not looking' was pivotal to the bad contrived brother drama invented by Carver but it ruined the entire season for me.

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  49. rehabber12 September 2013 at 17:55

    Hey, mark this on the calendar, I AGREE WITH YOU 100%..There were many excellent eps in s8, but Sam not looking ruined them for me and as much as I hate it, I may never look at Sam the same way again. I loved Sam, even in his weird periods, I understood where he was coming from..not season 8. Running, hit dog, met girl..not looking for Dean...UGH.

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  50. SN_gal12 September 2013 at 18:10

    I do have 8 years of show History to go by. History usually indicates that if they don't mention Dean there's nothing for him.

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  51. percysowner12 September 2013 at 18:54

    Technically, Naomi SAID that if he finished the trials Sam would die. There is a cut scene where Kevin says he can't confirm that and even without that scene all we have is Naomi's word. Since the angels can't read the tablets, only the prophets can, I don't hold what she said as necessarily 100% true.

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  52. lala212 September 2013 at 21:37

    The scene in Sacrifice doesn't even begin to make up for the trashing Sam's character took last year. There was literally NO reason Sam couldn't have looked for Dean, gotten some incorrect information that Dean was dead, and then moved on w/the horrible Amelia. Why couldn't he have done that? What about the story would have changed IF Sam had looked? Absolutely nothing!


    Sam not looking was solely done for contrived tension and conflict btw the brothers. And it wasn't even good or interesting conflict.

    If Carver had wanted a mature story, Sam could have been shown willing to go to crazy lengths to get info on Dean, and then stopping and recognizing that he was going too far. That would have been fine and would have been in line w/that new made up rule the brothers supposedly have.

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  53. lala212 September 2013 at 21:44

    Great post, Percy! I couldn't agree more w/ you, esp. about the college example.


    It has always burned me up that Sam had to apologize for going to college - something a lot of 18-year olds do. As you said, just b/c John and Dean resigned themselves to hunting for life didn't mean he had to do the same.


    I also never got the sense that Sam always runs away from his problems. I've never seen him doing that until the OOC crap of S8.

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  54. lala212 September 2013 at 21:44

    hahaha :-)

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  55. isleofskye12 September 2013 at 22:07

    Lol.:) :)

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    The fact that we are still complaining about Sam's 'not-looking' shows that this was a really big disturbing factor for Sam, Dean and bro fans.
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    Sam fans because that action demeaned Sam's character and is OOC for him, Dean fans because they are rightly hurt that Sam didn't look for his big brother and bi-bro fans who know that the boys always have and always will look for each other! That is what the show is all about.

    Take away the bro-bond and the show becomes something else.
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    Also Carver makes Dean say that a vampire he has known for a year and who had his own agenda (and whom we now know from a deleted scene didn't deny drinking blood,) is a better brother than Sam who has saved Dean's life and tended to him since he was a kid and even told him there was NOTHING he wouldn't do for Dean!
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    No, the last scene of Sacrifice certainly doesn't make up for all the crap Carver and his under par writers gave us this season.

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  56. lsbloom12 September 2013 at 23:28

    All that says is that it was a badly paced plot. Not that it was a logical decision.

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  57. lsbloom12 September 2013 at 23:36

    Sorry, Sam has been in deep trouble since they started the trials, if Dean was going to start panicking it should have been a lot sooner. And again if an angel can't help Sam, no doctor is gonna be able to do anything...even keep him alive any longer. What is Dean gonna figure out to do? And if he was gonna to try and save Sam, why in the world didn't he start looking for a way out sooner? The entire tablet storyline was based on the brothers not knowing what they were getting themselves into. Anyone with any sense wouldn't have started the trials until they knew what they would entail. Frankly, for me that included Carver, this aborted attempt to close the gates of hell crap was an awful plot to the season, nothing happened, it was filler. And it wasn't like the brothers to chicken out. Sam jumped into hell two years ago to save the world. But nope now some lying crazy angel says he'll die so he gives up accomplishing anything so he can die for nothing. Smart thinking.

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  58. lsbloom12 September 2013 at 23:44

    Plus, God lies. "Sacrifice your son." "Just kidding stop, you've proved your obedience to me." Maybe you had to be willing to sacrifice your life. Nothing says they couldn't have had hope. Or hoped that they (or God) couldn't have brought him back later. How many times has Sam even died now?

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  59. Mellenbal12 September 2013 at 23:49

    Just a thought: why not wait until the season starts and we actually SEE how their stories play out before assuming the worst? Geez.

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  60. Anthony Bucca12 September 2013 at 23:53

    My thought was that death is the only character we know of who can enter the cage. Maybe lucifer and micheal are rescued from the cage to restore order to the world?
    leading to the series of events seen in s05e04 the end.

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  61. Miss Supernatural13 September 2013 at 00:01

    Oh God, I hope not!

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  62. rehabber13 September 2013 at 00:11

    You don't remember the flashbacks when they were in Heaven and all the happy times for Sam were when he was NOT with the family..he ran off on Dean's watch and ended up in AZ I think it was, with the dog.



    I do not think going to college was running away, other than the fact HE DOES NOT WANT TO BE HUNTING. He has said that over and over and I don't fault him for that. Like I said I have understood where he was coming from for 7 seasons, it was last season that was not anything like Sam. He has said that Dean was going to have to let him go.

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  63. Mekina13 September 2013 at 00:13

    I actually lean slightly in favor of Sam, though I love both characters. Yes, it tends to be Dean taking care of Sam, but even when it's supposedly about Sam, it's still about how DEAN feels about what Sam is going through. The show is heavily biased the last few seasons in favor of Dean. Dean is almost always shown to be in the right, he gets the interaction, bonding, and scenes with other characters...to the point where Sam gets sent off on errands to get him out of the way for Dean and whatever character to have their scene.


    I personally crave Sam looking after Dean for once and saving him because we never get that. It's always either Dean saving himself or someone else saving him, and I want Sam to be able to look after him for once.

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  64. lala213 September 2013 at 00:48

    You know . . . after the tragedy of last season, I, now, believe that Kripke probably supplied the idea behind MS and AVSC and what he wanted the episodes to show about the brothers. I sincerely doubt Carver pitched those stories.
    I just can't believe the man who wrote those wonderful episodes would pen a story where Sam doesn't even TRY to look for Dean. According to Carver, the minute Dean disappeared, Sam decided Dean was dead, hopped in the Impala, and drove around for a few months. I don't care if Sam had succeeded in finding Dean (thought that would have been nice), but I will never believe that Sam wouldn't look! The same guy who wanted to turn Dean into some immortal, zombie creature so Dean would stay alive is NOT the same guy who would essentially shrug his shoulders at Dean's death! What a wretched story and what an unnecessary trashing of a character. I'll never understand it or forgive Carver for that nonsense!

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  65. lala213 September 2013 at 00:59

    Isle, I agree w/you too!
    I stopped posting at TWFB last year b/c people there seemed upset that I kept harping on Sam not looking for Dean. Sorry. I just couldn't look past a huge piece of crappy, OOC writing like that. It really colored the entire season for me. I'll never understand why Sam was trashed the way he was.
    I found Dean's problems w/Sam (illustrated in SC and Sacrifice) to be OTT and OOC. Unlike Bobby, Dean didn't blame Sam for his time while soulless but in SC, Dean blamed Sam for being soulless and accused Sam of lying to him from the moment Sam got in his ride. It was crazy and OTT.

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  66. lala213 September 2013 at 01:29

    Do you honestly believe that the only happy memories Dean has are with Sam? Do you seriously believe that Dean has no happy memories where he is NOT with Sam?

    I’m sorry, but I do not believe that. I am sure Dean has happy memories w/just him and John, with him and his mother, with him and Bobby, with him and Cassie, and with him and Lisa/Ben. No one could ever make me believe that the ONLY happy memories Dean has include Sam. I just don’t believe that to be true.

    Heaven was supposed to be made up of the person’s happiest memories, right? So . . . what . . . Sam only has three happy memories in his entire life? Is that what I’m supposed to believe? Where was Jessica? Considering Sam was planning to marry the girl, I’m sure she’d be included in his Heaven.

    But let’s examine Sam’s memories:

    (1) Thanksgiving dinner – that was happy memory for Sam – NOT b/c he was away from his family – but b/c it was a simple, normal dinner. We all know Sam desired normalcy and safety. Sam got to dress up and experience what he had only seen in TV and on movies. I get the feeling the Winchesters didn’t celebrate Thanksgiving/Christmas. Sam thinks fondly of that dinner b/c it was his first "real" Thanksgiving dinner. There’s nothing wrong with that.

    (2) Sam and the dog – yes, Sam ran away from home, but so do many kids. It doesn’t mean he hated his family. I hate DSOTM so I’ve never re-watched it but I believe Sam had a fight w/John before he ran away. Sam didn’t get to say much during the episode but I think he was happy b/c he spent a week doing what he wanted instead of what his dad wanted.

    (3) Sam leaving for college – This may be a painful memory for Dean, but Sam saw it as a way out of a life he hated. Sam didn’t want to be a hunter. We saw that in ASS. Sam didn’t want to be scared all the time. He didn’t want to do that for the rest of his life, and he had a right to make that choice! Sam had every right to leave and make a life for himself. John is the one who told Sam to stay gone if he left.

    I think many fans dismiss Sam’s desire for safety. When Dean recounts to Gordon his first hunt, he mentions Sam waiting in the car. Think about that . . . . .that means an 11-12 yr old kid is waiting in the woods in the middle of the night for his father and older brother to return from killing a werewolf or whatever. That has got to be frightening and terrifying. It sounds terrifying to me, and I'm an adult. I can only imagine how I'd feel if I were 11.
    “What if they don’t came back?” That had to be the running thought constantly running in Sam’s head from the moment Dean told him about hunting. And remember the Pilot. Sam mentions the craziness and fear
    surrounding the life. I completely understand why Sam wanted nothing to do w/hunting and why he has always (even Meg mentioned it) desired safety.

    No, I refuse to fault Sam for his memories. It is normal for Sam to have happy memories that don’t involve Dean, and I fully believe Dean has happy memories that don’t involve Sam. We saw one during that episode.

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  67. Shannon13 September 2013 at 03:44

    Yeah I still never believed that.

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  68. lala213 September 2013 at 04:13

    I still don't understand what you're saying. I know they didn't show any happy memories w/Sam and his family. However, I never took that to mean Sam had NO happy memories w/his family. Maybe others did, but I never saw it that way. I never thought the episode showed the extent of their happy memories. Even during the episode, Sam told Dean he wasn't choosing the memories; they were just coming to him as they were coming to Dean.
    You say you don't fault Sam for his memories, but still feel compelled to point out he didn't have any of his family. So, what are you saying? I can only take that to mean you feel Sam has NO happy memories w/his family. If that is your point, I strongly disagree w/you. If that is not your point, I am confused as to why you're mentioning the lack of Dean/John in Sam's memories.
    And Sam leaving on Dean's watch doesn't - in my mind at least - preclude Sam running away b/c he was upset w/his father or had an argument w/John. They could have argued over the phone. They could have argued before John left. As I said, I only watched that crappy episode once so I don't remember the details. Heck, maybe Sam had an argument w/Dean. We don't know. But having an argument w/a family member doesn't mean you don't love your family or want to run away from them.
    Yes, Sam did not like the "family business." We knew that from the Pilot. Dean has also desired normal. That doesn't make either of them bad people. While I don't think hunting is Sam's ideal lifestyle, I don't think he hates it as much as he did when he was a kid.

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  69. Helen Golod13 September 2013 at 07:15

    To be honest... This whole thing with Sam annoys me... Sam was just doing what he should have being doing being normal... If you remember the episode the mystery spot in season three the trickster (Gabriel) tells Sam that his obsession with saving Dean will always end badly and destroy himself in the process... Which after all these seasons we have learned that yes there is always a price and it usually comes at a high cost... So either Samis a crazy ass for being obsessed about saving Dean or he is an ass for trying to get over someones death like a normal person and try to make something good come out of everything.... Hence why he fell in line with Ruby, if he got over it like a normal person maybe Ruby would not have so easily got to Sam...


    However I do agree that they could have done a better job of explaining Sam's actions and his reasons for trying to let go the healthy way and avoid another disaster that seems to always end in pain and sacrifice... So I would have like Sam to have been a bit more outspoken about his reasons..


    I also think that Sam was strong but for me was out of character when he met Benny.. I understand his skepticism in the beginning but its not like Sam to see black and white he usually is good at being the emphatic one...So for me if anything bugged me more, it was that.... and Dean was also not himself when he accused Sam of being soulless and not telling him.. However I chalk that up to being possessed because as we know ghosts and twist your anger and turn it into half truths...


    either way I am a Sam girl but I love when Sam and Dean are together and fighting as a unit which I think they will... I think that the relationship that will need repair this season is Cass and Dean...I think Sam is half dead and probably so damn tired which is why he says he wants to give up like the time he was sleep deprived because of seeing Lucifer... Once he is able to gather his strength and think straight he will fight like he always has with Dean and of course the new human Cass.. I am looking forward to Season 9 and even though season 8 had a few bumps it wasnt awful.. I just wish they would have added some explainers and stop making Sam out to be the bad guy because he has done a lot of damn good but it seems to always be forgotten.. we are human we fuck up sometimes even with the best intentions... Because lets not forget that Dean sacrificing himself for Sam was what led to Dean going to hell and he is the one who broke the first seal... However that seams to be forgotten so easily.... Sometimes letting go is better then breaking the natural order... I am glad they are both alive for the show sake but just saying stop the hating Sam crap...


    Its Dean and Sam together that we love.. They both we do anything to protect each other but ask yourself when does it cross the line of becoming wrong and harmful? As we saw with bobby the ghost....


    Rant over!

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  70. sharonally13 September 2013 at 07:15

    Well I am no fan of DSOTM it was manipulative tripe with all the Dean happy memories with Sam and Sam's memories not being with his family. I would imagine both boys had a mixture of memories with and without each other it was just that Dean has to be painted all the time as being about family and Sam has not . That somehow simply wanting normal and out of hunting with good reason actually has been some sort of betrayal of his family because Sam's desires or reasons are deemed irrelevant. The writers esp Eric made it Sam verses his family and that was not true . I never saw Sam going to college or leaving in Scarecrow to find John or needing to find some sort of sense of the secret as running away.

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  71. sharonally13 September 2013 at 07:29

    I will believe in the Sam and Dean relationship and feel better about it when we have a Sam side to the it and his side validated . And not every season Sam being berated because he didnt do something , did do something , had no right to feel something and how he hurts/upsets Dean. And the writers to stop with the Dean will go to the end of the universe for Sam portrayal and make it look as if Sam wouldnt cross the road for Dean. It is over the top paints Dean as a matyr. The brothers relationship in the earlier seasons was far more balanced and then it went stupid after the deal sl.

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  72. isleofskye13 September 2013 at 09:16

    Lovely post

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    Sam isn't an impulsive person. Everything he has done has had a motivation behind it. I have never seen him as 'running away.'

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    He was still only a kid when he won a full ride to Stanford in difficult scholastic and family circumstances, and in a 'normal' family he would have been praised for that, instead John was annoyed and told him to stay away if he went.

    I'm sure that Dean on the other hand was proud of his little brother but back then he too was influenced by John's forceful personality.

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    In S2, going to investigate on his own, doesn't mean Sam was running away. He was following a lead which he must've thought Dean wouldn't have been good with so he went on his own. Where's the bad in that.

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    Sam dedicated all year in season 3 in rying to get Dean out of his deal, grasping at the most out-of -the box ideas to try and save him.

    We saw in Mystery Spot how obsessed Sam was in getting Dean back That isn't how a person that doesn't care about his brother acts or subscribes to 'running away' acts.

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    We saw how desperate he was too in season 4 and how he had been reduced to a drunken hobo by Dean's loss and the guilt of Dean suffering in hell because of him.

    This is the true Sam, he even tried to change places with Dean in hell.

    When Ruby gave him the only option left to get back at Lilith and avenge Dean, he took it.

    THIS would have been the perfect time for Sam to go live his life. He knew where Dean was, he had tried in every way to get him out, but couldn't; instead he was willing to go dark to get Dean back. No running here!
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    In S5 Sam spent the whole season trying to make up for having killed Lilith (something that Dean was going to do too ) and letting Lucifer out.

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    S6 Sam , even soulless stayed with Dean once he had met him again and when he got his soul back, never left his brother.

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    In the laboratory end S7, the last thing ANYONE would have predicted was that at the start of season 8 Sam would just have walked out, got into the Impala without even a superficial search for Dean, and driven off!

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    Here I'm not going to try and explain Carver's writing of Sam because there is NO explanation, only crappy writing and trashing of Sam's character.

    I'm not against Sam having tried to make a ife with a woman or even going back to college, but only after having looked and being unable to find Dean.
    Not having even having tried is so outlandish for the character and his past history, that no amount of theoretical explaining can condone it

    We don't know why Sam didn't look, we're just not told!

    It couldn't have been because of Amelia because he met her much later.
    It couldn't have been because he didn't have the tools or the ability to trace Dean because Sam did have them, all tucked away in his hunting lore and abilities.

    It couldn't have been because he didn't care about Dean because we've seen in the past what he was willing to do to find him.

    All we are told is that his world 'imploded' and he drove off. Not enough Carver!

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    The rest of the season might be canon ,but I will take from it only that which I deem reasonable, which is very little because the writing, canon-trashing and OOC brothers won't let me accept what I am supposed to believe.

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  73. isleofskye13 September 2013 at 09:30

    Yeah, it's site that gushes a lot, squashing any negatives; I suppose they need to do that to get interviews and stuff.
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    As for S8, we could write various dissertations on all that was wrong with it.

    The only positive I took was the MOL and as that has yet to be elaborated ,we'll see how it plays out.

    It too ,in true S8 tradition was invented with disattention to details; eg, young John's line in ITB that his dad was still alive into his adulthood..
    Then is it possible that the bros had never noticed the HW initials on their dad's journal. Ha Ha!
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    As for Carver thinking he wrote a great story, that is very worrying for if he happens to have a bad day, who knows what he might come up with! ;)

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  74. isleofskye13 September 2013 at 09:37

    Yeah, I forgot about that. Sam was really getting desperate there, wiling to go with the 'mad doctor' experiment to keep Dean out of hell.


    I really like that episode, it's one of those that doesn't seem to get as much love as it should.

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    You used a good adjective; 'wretched' fits the bill like a glove.
    I can't forgive Carver either. 23 episodes which I could have added to my love of watching SPN but most of which I just don't want to watch again.

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  75. rehabber13 September 2013 at 11:30

    I am mostly agreeing with you, the only difference is I do not add things to the show that I have not seen on screen. If it has not been in an ep or approved book I do not count it. So Sam may have had MANY happy memories, but not many have been shown and I can't think of any that included John. Maybe when they were talking about the college fund and John said he spent it on ammo. Sam even smiled at that. I try and trust the writers to tell me what they want, which sucked big time last year, but I wanted so badly to think that there was a reason for Sam not looking for Dean other than ran, hit dog, met girl, I wanted to do like you do and add stuff in my mind. For me if it is not in an ep or approved book, it just did not happen. That is just me, other fans can think what they want, I was not trying to change you mind, just tell you what I thought.

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  76. Sawyer Orestis13 September 2013 at 13:00

    They have to deal with monsters, demons, bad Angels, Hell, Purgatory, Heaven.. Do you think it's easy for them to stay alive? Well, except Chuck Norris, you know. But, Sam and Dean are humans.
    It doesn't matter if it's Sam, Dean or Charlie. It matters a good story. Nice plot. We care about all the characters. About Supernatural. About this Supernatural Family. It doesn't mattter who dies. It matters NOT TO DIE.

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  77. tvmonkey13 September 2013 at 14:52

    so Sam doesn't really like the family business he does it anyway, I dont get the point you're truing to make

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  78. tvmonkey13 September 2013 at 14:55

    well we never actually saw Dean do anything to save Sam for the year he was in the cage and Dean was living the life with Lisa and Ben, yeah he said he read books but anyone can say that. How is that any better/any more proof than what we saw of Sam while Dean was in Purgatory?

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  79. tvmonkey13 September 2013 at 14:59

    then dont watch and let others who dont care how much of the show panders to the Dean fans only get on with it and enjoy it without having to put up with the constant whining.

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  80. rehabber13 September 2013 at 15:35

    That is all Sam would have had to say, was I tried to find you..he said nothing when Dean asked him.."did you look". I did not need Sam to save Dean, but he WOULD HAVE LOOKED.

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  81. Elena Wonderland13 September 2013 at 17:00

    Wow,thank you for warning us about the season 9 plot which you probably know all about.THOSE WERE 20 SECONDS for crying out loud.And only from the first 2 episodes so take it easy and if you don't like what you see then you know what you have to do.Turn off your damn TV.

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  82. Elena Wonderland13 September 2013 at 17:00

    I second that!!!

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  83. lala213 September 2013 at 18:30

    Well, do you believe Sam and Dean only have three happy memories in their entire lives? We only saw three each (I believe), so is that the extent of their happy memories in your opinion?

    I'm not being sarcastic, but I am genuinely curious. I don't think I'm adding onto the show by assuming we only some some of Dean's and Sam's happy memories. It is only logical to think we only saw a few of their happy memories, right?

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  84. lala213 September 2013 at 18:36

    I don't get it either.

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  85. lala213 September 2013 at 18:44

    That's what worries me about Carver. He doesn't seem to get that the Samelia story tanked, and that everyone hated the idea that Sam didn't look for Dean. The reason I think he stands by his story is b/c there was an article in the Spring w/Carver, and people were still asking if an explanation for Sam not looking for Dean was coming. Carver basically said Sam had given his reason and people needed to get over it or accept it! He didn't seem at all willing to admit he had made a mistake w/the story or at least the execution of the story. So, while the promo is the only thing that has excited me about the new season, I'm remaining cautious. Who knows what he'll do next year!



    I agree that the MOL was the best thing to come out of S8. Not much was done w/it, but it was a nice addition to the Winchester history. I'm also willing to overlook the ITB inconsistency b/c John's mother may have re-married for all we know.

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  86. percysowner13 September 2013 at 19:16

    He was ELEVEN, GOD FORBID he ever be forgiven for being a CHILD. Children run away because their lives are so miserable that they are usually trying to save themselves. Living with only a dog in a ramshackle hut with no utilities (that I saw) and eating pizza he got who know how is actually pretty bleak. It says more about the pain Sam was in than a tendency to run away. Heck in After School Special we were SHOWN that Sam didn't run from the bully. In the Amy episode, Sam worked the case even though he was completely alone because Dean and John were hunting the monster. I could make a pretty good case that Dean abandoned Sam time and time again while growing up. He admitted that he dumped Sam at Plucky Pennywhistle's multiple times when he began to notice girls. Dean told Gordon that he killed his first werewolf when he was 16, but the indications are that Sam was left behind during those hunts, due to his age.



    I do find the idea that Sam's best times didn't once include Jess to be telling about what was being selected by Zachariah. Heck, Sam was visibly uncomfortable to be hit on by an eleven year old girl when he was a grown man. Do you really think that being made to feel like a pedophile made Sam happy? So the getting the happiest memories seems off here. And if he enjoyed things without Dean, so what? Sam was not put on this earth to be Dean's own personal happy making machine. Sam was unhappy with his home life, he wanted to live a different life. Why should he have to give all that up just to make Dean happy? And why is taking care of his own needs and wants less important than taking care of Dean's?

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  87. percysowner13 September 2013 at 19:22

    Well GOD FORBID that Sam not want to do what Dean wants him to do. That is obviously the greatest sin. No really, Sam's confession was that he let DEAN down. Dean stuck by John's ultimatum that Sam could not come back once he left, so why does Sam get stuck with ALL the blame for that split.

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  88. percysowner13 September 2013 at 19:29

    The writing on Sam not looking stunk, but maybe Sam just didn't see a point in lying to Dean about what he did and Dean felt he should have had to try to get Sam out. Dean knew of TWO ways to get someone out of Hell and possibly the Cage. The first was a deal, which he was smart enough not to do and probably couldn't make. The second was Cas. But in The Third Man, it was made very clear that Dean NEVER EVEN BOTHERED to call Cas to see if Cas had any ideas on saving Sam. Heck he never asked Bobby to look for hard to find books that might give him a lead. He went to the local library in BumF*ck wherever, checked the card catalog and then said, can't find anything, well I tried. Sam had no tracking device, no handy angel to ask, no Bobby to help him even start to find out what happened to Dean. He apparently blew up Dick Roman's facility, because it was mentioned that the place exploded. After that, what was he supposed to do, where was he supposed to look?

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  89. rehabber13 September 2013 at 20:37

    Do you want me to write it in blood, I have been very clear on what I believe..if it is NOT in the series or approved books then I don't count it. What more can I say. You are going to just have to disagree with me and go your way.

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  90. lala213 September 2013 at 21:32

    It's sad, isn't it? S8 is definitely the WORST season of Supernatural, IMO. I have no interest in it at all.



    I actually re-watched an episode (Heartache) for some reason - oh yeah . . . it was mentioned in some polls and for the life of me, I couldn't remember a thing about the episode and Dahne or somebody said it wasn't half bad so I decided to watch it again - and it was torture! Apart from how gorgeous Jared's hair looked in the episode, it was largely forgettable to me. And I felt that way about too many of S8's episodes. Many of them were just okay or meh.

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  91. lala213 September 2013 at 21:36

    So you do think Dean has only three happy memories? Okay.

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  92. rehabber13 September 2013 at 22:05

    Are you 12, if you will go back to the start of this, I said in the FLASHBACKS in HEAVEN, all of Dean's happy memories were with family and all of Sam's were away from family. Of course they have both had happy memories and we have seen them happy together. Now can you tell me I am wrong about that??

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  93. MLTC13 September 2013 at 22:37

    Amen.

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  94. MLTC13 September 2013 at 22:38

    Amen again.

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  95. MLTC13 September 2013 at 22:38

    Is it okay for me to keep saying amen?

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  96. Lise14 September 2013 at 02:06

    I'm glad to go, I cannot tell a lie.....

    Goodbye...!

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  97. lala214 September 2013 at 02:54

    What are you talking about?
    Our entire conversation started b/c I said Sam didn't run away from his problems. I agreed w/Percy that the times Sam has left as illustrated in the show weren't times I viewed Sam as "running away" from his problems. You, then, asked me if I remembered DSOTM and how all the happy times Sam had was when he was not w/his family. That's what started this entire debate/conversation.
    If you believe Sam has happy memories of Dean, then why do you keep on bringing up DSOTM? If we both agree that DSOTM did not reflect the extent of Sam's happy memories, I'm not sure how that episode is relevant to the conversation/discussion.

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  98. kerinda14 September 2013 at 03:55

    well then why don't you to turn off your TV I read all this crap every New Ep last season WAAAAA! I hate Sam's new girlfriend or OH Benny he is cool as a vampire knowing that he kills people but wait he a friend come on and the Sam and Dean Bitch Fest that happen the whole season my god get over it all ready. To me the whole season was kind of a wast they was all up on closing the gates of hell and then in the last mins they could not pull it off and that sucks to me sorry and now to see that Sam is in the ER ( HA! ER take me back to the show) all most Dieing I go do this again or have some like what happen in season 7 where it just Cas did some thing with Sam and then it was done and I say WOW that was fast are they really going to do that again. But I guess they are and that's what I am sick of them doing that over and over thing again can they try something new for once not have a Bitch fest in the middle of the season and you know when Sam finds out what Dean did this season there is going to be one it just makes me mad that there doing this again that is and hey I never seen the preview so I only seen Pics that's it so I don't want to see them in tell oct. so don't get mad a me.

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  99. Helen Golod14 September 2013 at 04:48

    Your Welcome... The comments upset over how Sam is so horrible so I had to say something... plus I am re-watching season four and I am also realizing just how Dean (even though unintentional) was always looking at Sam like your freak while Sam was struggling to make sense of this Demon blood in him....


    I love Dean too and I love the brothers but I can understand both parties and feel as though they both share blame and a lot of what goes wrong that's why they are able to get past it in the end..... anyway love the show its awesome I am glad someone agrees with me and cant wait for Season 9!!!

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  100. Helen Golod14 September 2013 at 05:27

    The problem is, is that we will not see Sam's story explained however at this point after eight seasons I can say that I know Sam. Sam has so much goodness in him and love that he wanted to take on the trials to show Dean that there is a way out, just says alot.. Sometimes you do not need to say anything to understand.... I guess the writers felt that way and did not really take into considerations that there are people who need words not just actions... Not saying I dont agree, I wish Sam was more vocal in this season as he has been in the past but whats done is done... I like that they got there acts together and the season ended strong...


    I know how they made it look and I can see how people would think that Sam doesnt care but really I just think he learned from his mistakes that he made in the past and did not want to start another disasters chain of events... Either way I think by doing the trials himself which he wanted to do anyway, was what made up for his actions not just the finale scene of the season... Because I believe both brothers share blame in things that go wrong.... I love Sam always will, I love Dean always will and hope that the writers will do a better job in season 9 to keep both brothers more in character then in this past season... I guess we shall wait and see what happens but promos look good

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  101. Helen Golod14 September 2013 at 05:51

    Honestly I think its because if got where to appear then maybe it would become way to religious and scare away certain fans... Because I can appreciate this storylines as some who is non-religious and even if they had a god I would still watch.. So not sure but something says its just a slippery slope to have a god... Also if god had appeared when all this was going on then there really wouldn't be a need for the brothers and all that I would think.... So its not so much casting as it is story line and also crossing into political correct lines of what to cross and what not to cross...


    They are trying not to preach merely tell a story and let every one get from it what they will.. which i can appreciate... I have a feeling when the show ends (which hopefully is not soon) we may see god make an appearance or maybe even this season they will try.. who knows but i will be interested to say what they come up with and how they play it... I trust the writers will be respectfully to all parties no matter what your beliefs are or religion..

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  102. Helen Golod14 September 2013 at 05:59

    Because Dean did not want to lose Sam... Yes Dean should have known especially becacuse he initially wanted to do the trials himself.. He even told Sam the reason for it was because the one who does it will probably die... I think Dean just wanted to believe so badly that he would live.. so i think the writers could have done better with that but it does explain why he trusted noami who usually lies. He trusted what she said because deep down he knew it may come to it...


    What i really hoped for was a more analytical conversation about what the consequences of closing the gates would mean... kinda like good and evil balance each other out and if one side has more power then the other wouldn't that disturb the natural order of things... or if you close the gets then what happens to souls who should be going to hell because doesn't closing a door go both ways? those are things i wish were talked about... it wasn't a bad season but it wasn't the best however season nine looks to be a good one.. one can only hope

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  103. Shannon14 September 2013 at 06:16

    Well i'm not religious, But tbh I would still like to see "God" whoever it may be. The thing i don't get is that they've been talking about God since season 4, what with pulling Dean out of hell and all. We're going into our 9th season and he STILL has been yet to be shown. I just don't get it. Like seriously what are they waiting for?? I honestly don't think that if they introduced God it would scare the fans away, on the contrary I think it would make the show more interesting. I mean ALL this stuff had happened throughout the yrs and til this day they make God a deadbeat dad?? Even Castiel gave up on him. His OWN Angel, that had so much hope in him. Idk what they're looking for in a God character, but it should be soon, b/c and this is JMHO, that the teasing has gone long enough. If God showed up, idt it would no point for the brothers storyline. I think it would make it soooo much more interesting, to say the least, Dean would have SO many questions and well as Sam, Castiel, etc. And the fact that Death is coming back would raise the question, would he bring god up again?? I mean he did say he was older than God, so that makes me think he knows God personally. And my real question is.,..if all the Angels have fallen, foes that mean God has fallen too?? When we see god (whenever that may be) Will he appear as Human and we just won't know it?? Idk personally i would like to see God, but that fact that he's been brought up for 5 seasons and we STILL haven't seen him...It really just bothers me. It's like he's too ashamed to show himself, And i swear if he finally shows up and has the nerves to say "I work in mysterious way" I will be SUPER pissed. That's just me. Cuz no way would he have all this go on, and not do something about it. I mean the way they "introduced" him, It just makes me think that he was letting all this shit unfold while everyone was struggling, and sat back and watched on went on vaca or something, and had a bag of popcorn in his hand!! That's something I could see from Crowley, but not God, I think they should give him more credit than that. As long as he steps in and interfers in one way or another, BEFORE the show ends, I will be satisfied. Again this is coming from someone who is NOT religious. How ironic is that?? I don't judge anyone who believes in god. By all means go ahead, u have a belief cool go with it. But what i don't like is when people who believe in god end up judging them or forcing religion on them. I don't get that, like just accept people for the way they are, and call it a day. I'm just saying. But ok i'm getting off topic...anyways i'm just really looking forward towards this season, and I hope God does show up in one way or another, b.c the wait is long overdue!!

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  104. isleofskye14 September 2013 at 07:33

    Lol.. :)
    Certainly. Feel free to continue as long as you like. :D

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  105. isleofskye14 September 2013 at 07:58

    I can't see Carver admitting that he made any mistakes, for it would be a sign of weakness on his part, but actions speak louder than words and the fact that half way through the season he practically chopped all the story-lines he had started out with, shows he must have realised that everything wasn't as perfect as he had thought.
    IMO the last scene was a bone thrown to complaining bro-fans to pacify them for the non-looking, but for me anyway ,it didn't compensate

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    It's true that John's dad was a tiny thing compared to all the rest and completely forgettable, and I agree about the Mol, It's always fascinating to get more about the Winchesters' back story.

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  106. isleofskye14 September 2013 at 11:28

    Technically, Dean's first dream was a happy one with Sam but it works both ways there.

    The way Sam hugged Dean and thanked him for the fireworks, clearly states that the memory must have been a happy one for young Sammy too.


    Then Dean's second dream was esentially only his; Sam had no access to such a memory with Mary.
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    Zachariah or who for him, obviously manipulated their memories to cause more distrust between the brothers and he succeeded, seeing that Dean threw away the amulet.
    If Zach could propel Dean into the future, then I'm sure he had no problem in sifting through the boys' memories on his home ground of Heaven.


    Remember the whole theme of that season was to make Dean out to be the obedient son who obeyed his father, aka Michael and Sam the rebel who didn't., aka Lucifer.

    That's probably why Dean got to dream family and Sam the opposite.

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    As yiou say we have to go with what we see in the ep. but there's no doubt in my mind that Dean had many happy memories that didn't Include Sam, just as Sam surely has many happy memories that include Dean

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  107. rehabber14 September 2013 at 11:55

    I agree and we saw them both happy and laughing together many times, I was ONLY talking about the Heaven flashbacks. The problem with the first one and the fireworks, when we saw the ones that Sam had they did not include the fireworks. My only point was Dean's were with family and Sam's were not.

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  108. Jewel15 September 2013 at 02:03

    Yeah I know you hate Sam. That's nothing knew. You were just looking for a reason.

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  109. kerinda15 September 2013 at 03:27

    yes and I just sick of the blame that Sam gets a lot and damn it really pissing me off to were I do even want too see the show anymore and Dean gets no blame what so ever and that sick too I mean my God Dean took Sam out of the better place in season 2 after Sam died how selfish is that and now in season 8 Sam had a chance to save the world and close the gates of hell and guess who took that away again. It really makes me hate Dean even more then I did and I started the show loving Dean but I can not stand to see what he does to Sam I just really hate it right now. I just wish that the fights the blame would stop and get back to what season 1 and 2 was those are the seasons I still love.

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  110. rehabber15 September 2013 at 11:08

    NO you do NOT know I hate Sam because I have always liked him. I did not even vote in the poll who do you like better because I like both the same. But last season the way he was written made me feel very differently about him. If I hated any of the main characters in a series I DO NOT WATCH IT.

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  111. Miss Supernatural15 September 2013 at 15:06

    You want Sam dead?

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  112. Helen Golod15 September 2013 at 17:48

    Its not that She hates Dean for saving Sam its more that in a way Dean had to have known that this was gonna happen... and the fact that Sam gets blamed for everything that happens... I LOVE SAM but i am sick of the blame going all to him and being laid out on his feet... I believe that closing the gates is bad because you need to balance good and bad and when one has more power then the other it can be a bad thing... so honestly if Dean is going to save Sam it better not come with a deal with the demon or Dean's soul on the line, because that is selfish for him to put that kinda of guilt on Sam... I really love both brothers just wish they would stop it with this Sam is the reason for all the crap that goes wrong!

    So if Dean can find a way to save Sam without giving up his own life I am all for it.... but this martyr stuff is not healthy and comes with a high price tag not just for Dean but for Sam and usually the rest of the world...

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  113. Helen Golod15 September 2013 at 17:52

    Maybe it means that everyone is watching them... The angels want to kill them, so do the demons.... Just a thought but i guess we wont really know until the season starts......

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  114. CyanaT23 September 2013 at 00:01

    I’m sorry for delay as your response got buried in my email,

    Preaching to the choir, here, but I put the blame firmly on Carver for his “O-oo, I have a thought. (insert Lightbulb smiley...) Instead of letting Sam "rescue Dean/Kevin and Meg - YAWN - so boring and predictable -let’s find what would happen if one of the boys didn’t look for the other” experiment. And explain that "not looking (or even attempting to rescue Kevin and Meg) and moving on" was 'the mature thing to do" “And now let's add a’ fake agreement’ between the boys” to kick up the "fake tension" between the boys and finally to add even more dung to the compost pile the show buried Sam’s character in at the beginning of the season let’s have Soul!Bobby rake Sam over the coals because he TAUGHT the boys the “fake agreement” and about shout “it was a non-agreement!"

    HEADSLAM! Did I hallucinate the S7 Finale where calmed down from a murderous "high" Ghost!Bobby told them “When it’s your time, GO”?

    Then Carver sits back while a substantial portion of the online fandom implodes (and eats popcorn or roasts marshmallows or 'wieners')
    I do "get" what Carver was going for. As fans of this storyline argue - including the poster after (or before my reply as sometimes replies get shuffled slightly) frequently whenever the boys do try some other worldly way of "saving each other" the endless cycle seems to what "The Trickster/Gabriel's lesson to Sam" ... "it just ends in blood and pain". My problem besides the obvious easy answer of "Not looking is 'OOC' for Sam AND Dean" was that the Samelia storyline just did work well for me at all.

    Fresh start in S9 and all I've seen I'm Ioving so far with the exception of how I started this post. (Whhhyyy?!)

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