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Supernatural - Episode 9.01 - I Think I'm Gonna Like It Here - Promotional Photos *HQ*

Sep 24, 2013

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98 comments:

  1. klutzy_girlSeptember 18, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    Ooh, Dean's going to see Bobby. That's interesting.

    Guh, I hate that we have to wait so long for this!

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  2. Elena WonderlandSeptember 18, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    HOLY CRAP.I AM SO EXCITED!!!WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THE EPISODE NOW!?!??!?! I am so curious about the way Sam heals!!!

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  3. FredaSeptember 18, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    The 'art' on the hospital walls makes me smile. So looking forward to this season! :)

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  4. CyanaTSeptember 18, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    Exactly. There are plenty of OTS pics of Cas and the angel teen as well as Cas being featured prominently in the promos with the angel teen. Besides there may be a second set of premiere pics released.

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  5. CyanaTSeptember 18, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    LOL - My caption for Picture #4 from the left: Dean to Ezekiel "How the hell did you make it past my warding scribbles?"

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  6. CyanaTSeptember 18, 2013 at 10:41 PM

    Why can't it be October 8 yet!!!

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  7. DougF00September 18, 2013 at 10:51 PM

    Yes in one of the trailers for Season 9 it shows him and Bobby walking and talking

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  8. DougF00September 18, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    I guess you've missed the trailers that have come out showing him.


    Also I think you are really overstating the affect promo pictures has on the viewership

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  9. Sali MaherSeptember 18, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    Can't wait, It looks amazing, I want to know what will happen with Sam.

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  10. Sali MaherSeptember 18, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    When I saw the promo I tried so hard to not look at Jared's arm, but OMG this pics doesn't help me at all.

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  11. LisaSeptember 18, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    I'm just imagining a doctor walking in there, seeing all of that on the wall and just walking back out without saying a word. Like "Nope! I'm outta here!" Haha.

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  12. Elena WonderlandSeptember 18, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    I think Dean makes the Angel Proofing so that Ezekiel helps him travel into Sam's mind without interruptions.So he kinda locks all 3 of them in the room and no other Angel can enter.In the promo they did get very violent with Dean,

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  13. LisaSeptember 18, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    Me too. Although I have no idea how many episodes he'll actually be in. So far they only have him being in just this one and according to some spoilers that are going around the "angel" part of him will be sticking around but the vessel isn't. If true, then I'll be kind of disappointed because I really like the actor who's playing him, Tahmoh Penikett.

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  14. LisaSeptember 18, 2013 at 11:11 PM

    That's a good theory. Although in the promo video there's that scene where Dean's running down the hospital corridor and all of the glass is shattering everywhere, which is what happened when Cas first showed up. My first thought was that maybe an angel without a vessel was either trying to communicate with him or maybe even attacking him. Who knows? So many possibilities here.

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  15. CyanaTSeptember 18, 2013 at 11:20 PM

    Yeah! Alastair 2 (Graveyard Alastair from 4.15) to Dean and Sam "Looks like Devil Worship".

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  16. LisaSeptember 18, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    Well since Cas isn't with the Winchesters in this episode that's why there aren't any pictures of him here. Pictures of him and his storyline have been out for over a month now on other sites. Relax.

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  17. AmberSeptember 18, 2013 at 11:25 PM

    Hf Sam, hf Dean and hf that hot angel. Why hasnt the season begun already!? lol

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  18. CyanaTSeptember 18, 2013 at 11:28 PM

    Both yours and Elena's theories and explanations make sense. It could be other vessel-less angels are attacking Dean in the Hallway and Ezekiel in his vessel slipped in during the melee and then Dean applied the angel-proofing as Elena said to "lock the them in" (Sam/Dean/Ezekiel). I giddy with excitement at how the whole premiere will play out.

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  19. LisaSeptember 18, 2013 at 11:29 PM

    How hard do you think it was for Jared to just lie there the entire time while all of this stuff is going on? There's gonna be gag reel gold from this episode alone, I think. He was probably trying not to crack up (or crack anyone else up) the entire time they were filming this. It's kind of a shame that Jim Beaver didn't get to shoot any scenes in there with them because he could have returned the favor by messing with his toes the way Jared did to him.

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  20. AmberSeptember 18, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    They prob put all these pictiures of the brothers because:


    1) thats who the show is about
    2)the show is not about Cas.

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  21. Kaye237September 18, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    I was more thinking a doctor walking in:
    -0_O what the....**** is that? Why did you that for???
    Dean: You know......reasons and....stuff *bad poker face*

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  22. CPSeptember 19, 2013 at 12:46 AM

    Cas from what I heard is not in the first episode, but the second?


    If so, of course there wouldn't be promo pics for this episode of him.

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  23. JewelSeptember 19, 2013 at 1:44 AM

    I don't really like Cas but I tune in no matter what. Besides sometimes you can fast forward through his parts if you want.

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  24. marchSeptember 19, 2013 at 1:48 AM

    Cas is in the first, but not the second. Ausiello had the episodes mixed up since they filmed them out of order.

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  25. GodDamnAngelSeptember 19, 2013 at 1:52 AM

    Same here.....I hope we see more of Tahmoh than just 9x01.

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  26. CPSeptember 19, 2013 at 1:54 AM

    Ah

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  27. LisaSeptember 19, 2013 at 1:54 AM

    I don't have any problem with Cas but I do have a problem with some of the supposed fans who only watch the show for him. It infuriates me when I hear people talking about how they skipped the first 3 seasons because he isn't in them. I think that they're missing the entire point of watching the show if they're doing that.

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  28. GodDamnAngelSeptember 19, 2013 at 1:55 AM

    Yeah, sure, if you don't mind missing bits of the plot......

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  29. JewelSeptember 19, 2013 at 2:03 AM

    The thing is though that their plots are now separated. It's practically two shows into one. So what's going on with Cas is just going on with Cas and doesn't really effect the Winchesters.

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  30. GodDamnAngelSeptember 19, 2013 at 2:25 AM

    His plots in the past 5 seasons have had a rather large impact on the Winchesters' lives and the story, in general. There may have been certain scenes here and there that were more "character moments", like the brothel visit in FTBYAM, but most of the time, when Cas is around, it's because important stuff is happening.


    As for this season, yes, he and the Winchesters are physically separated *for now*, but none of us knows how long they are going to stay that way (as the odds of them staying separated for the entire rest of the series are fairly small), and we also know, from the 5-minute preview, that they are going to make contact with each other early on via phone call. Misha's interviews at SDCC also indicated that he would be showing up at the MOL bunker at some point in the first 8 episodes, so, obviously, Castiel and the Winchesters are, at the very least, keeping in touch and interacting with each other, even while separated.


    And then there's the not-so-small matter of Metatron, the angel tablet, and whordes of Fallen angels on the ground that have already affected the Winchesters and, from the looks of it, will continue to affect the Winchesters and all of it ties back to Castiel and his actions in fairly significant ways.

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  31. Elena WonderlandSeptember 19, 2013 at 3:51 AM

    DITTO

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  32. MNSeptember 19, 2013 at 4:54 AM

    Do you also get infuriated at people that fast forward through Cas parts or skip Cas-heavy episodes? Just wondering.


    Because like it or not, Cas is a major part of this show too and a regular character again this season. That doesn't mean that the brothers aren't important, just that Cas is part of this show and his fans are part of this fandom (however much some people wish it wasn't so).

    Now personally, I watch the show for Cas, and Dean, and Sam, and Dean/Cas, and Dean/Sam, and Sam/Cas, and Sam/Dean/Cas, and Bobby, and Crowley, and Kevin, and Charlie, and the Impala and the monsters, and the scares and tears and feels, and the demons and the angels, and the mythology, and so much more.


    But I have problems with all these phrases like "supposed fans" and "real fans" because what makes someone a "real fan" and who gives anyone else the right to judge that?


    Basically (for the most part) we're all here because we love this show, for whatever reason or reasons, and I think that's enough to make us all real fans whether we're here discussing, cheering, worrying, or arguing or whether we're here for Cas or for Dean or for Sam or whatever combination of them.

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  33. MNSeptember 19, 2013 at 4:59 AM

    I have to disgaree with your second point. While the show is about the brothers, it is ALSO about Cas too. He has been a part of this show since Season 4 now, and been a the third regular character billed right behind the Sam and Dean for 2 seasons in the past and the new upcoming season as well, and all this after his character was originally slated to be killed off after a few episodes.

    And sure for you or whoever else the show is about the brothers and nothing but the brothers and for some it is all about Cas....and for others it is totally different, so what gives any of us the right to say that we're totally right and everyone else is wrong? Television is a subjective viewing experience and I don't think any of us have the right to tell someone else what the show is about or to judge them for what they enjoy or want to see on the show.



    For myself, this show is about much more than two brothers and about much more than one angel. It is a story about family (and family doesn't end in blood) and about free will and destiny and fate and tons of other things. That's what I see in this show. Doesn't mean that I'm right or that people that watch just for the brothers or just for Cas is wrong. We all have our own viewpoints and opinions and favorites and there is nothing wrong with that.

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  34. Back In Black Tricksteress 95September 19, 2013 at 6:31 AM

    after a crappy day its good to see something with spn (I don't usually whinge like that lol)
    I didn't realize Bobby was in the premiere!. Ooh so what if he was never fully gone... like he just refused?. It would be hard to picture Death bringing him back for pain-just against Bobby's will wouldn't sit right with me, but I would never know until it comes on which feels like an eternity.
    Hunter down! Hunter down! I would take right after leaving the falling angel scene Sam still didn't pick himself up, yikes this looks even more serious than getting his soul back. From looking at Dean they got attacked and Sam just fizzled in a 'normal' fight.
    Dean is on lockdown by the looks. I think I know the angel name but I forgot, it would be Ezekiel? maybe.. after just doing a close look up he looks like a reaper, it looks obvious to me because of a heartfelt high five (I just had to be stupid haha) that he sending Sam to Death.
    He dosen't look bad to me, maybe on Dean's first impression but this angelic presence (I can't really clarify because I forgot about this dude).
    I certaintly hope Bobby is real and not in Sam's head and Sam isn't going through the memory stages like Bobby did. Anyway I'm so excited I could burst! :)

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  35. LisaSeptember 19, 2013 at 7:25 AM

    Like I said before, I have no problem with Castiel. I actually like him and am excited about what they're going to do with his character this season. What I don't like about him is how some of the more shall we say...pushy...Castiel fans like to attack the writers on Twitter demanding that they write more Dean and Castiel scenes or even canon Destiel. It makes the rest of this fandom look crazy.



    When I read posts from people who just started watching the show and have admitted to skipping the first 3 seasons, yeah that bugs me. A lot. It tells me that they're not real fans of the show. Or that they even know what the show is supposed to be about. At it's core, this show is about two brothers who have been through hell and back for one another and will fight with their dying breaths to rid the world of evil. And while I think Castiel is a great character and has become somewhat of a surrogate family member to the boys, it really bothers me that the writers have somewhat accommodated these fans by making him another sidekick to Dean instead of letting him interact more with Sam, too. I think that they're giving these fans false hope about their ship one day becoming canon and detracts from the overall message of the show.



    Now that he's human I foresee a lot of interesting possibilities for Cas and I really hope that the writers decide to give him some depth this season. Him being the clueless comic relief is fun in small doses but will get old really fast after a while. Giving him some real character development this season should be an interesting thing to see if it's done well.

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  36. LisaSeptember 19, 2013 at 7:29 AM

    Yes, it bothers me when people skip out on his episodes, as well. See my reply above for more of my insights about this issue.

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  37. tvmonkeySeptember 19, 2013 at 7:53 AM

    I havent seen it yet but thanks, I do know that Sam and Bobby are going to have a moment.

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  38. tvmonkeySeptember 19, 2013 at 7:57 AM

    I believe the role is recurring, we will most likely see him later in the season after just the premier in the first half if my theory is correct.

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  39. tvmonkeySeptember 19, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    well the ratings have shown that Cas has no impact on the ratings one way or another most people are tuning in for the storyline and/or the brothers.

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  40. tvmonkeySeptember 19, 2013 at 8:06 AM

    I think he is because I'm pretty sure he is on the phone to Dean while Dean is standing in the hospital which is from the premier episode. Obviously Dean is going to busy and have more important things going on so Cas has to fend for himself for a while hence them not all meeting up for a few episodes.
    I also vaguely remember Carver or Singer saying that Cas wont just be hanging around the MOL bunker that he's be off doing his own thing.
    Also not 100% sure but episode 7 is going to be Cas centric, Jared wont be filming most of the episode and rumour has it this is where Cas meets his recurring love interest?

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  41. Merlin EmrysSeptember 19, 2013 at 10:08 AM

    HATE ME, i skip every Cas scene :v :v :v

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  42. Rena SamaSeptember 19, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    Honestly, I'll skip the whole season if Castiel is on his own, I want TFW and more Dean/Cas not more nonsensical excuses to keep them apart.

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  43. MNSeptember 19, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    I'm not planning on skipping any part of the season or any episodes at this time myself, as I still have hope that Cas will be back with Dean and Sam at some point and any Cas/Dean or TFW moments are worth waiting for, for me. Plus there are some small but good parts of episodes where Cas is missing (like that wonderful prayer in that one episode written by the amazing Dan Loflin) that I really enjoy, as well as good Dean and Sam stuff. I'm a Cas girl and a Dean/Cas fan, but I love Dean and Sam too and can't skip their stuff.
    Now if the show continues to keep Cas away from them and on his own or even attempts to write Cas off altogether, they might be losing me as a viewer then. I love Dean and Sam, but Cas is my favorite and him being on his own for an extended period of time or being gone off the show for good would severely impact my enjoyment of the show.


    I am whole-heartedly with you on wanting Team Free Will and Dean/Cas together soon! I'm tired of them all being kept apart too. I love it most when the three of them are together.

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  44. KamiSeptember 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    What can I say... I agree with everything that you've written.

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  45. GodDamnAngelSeptember 19, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    This post is beautiful. Nothing more needs to be said.

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  46. GodDamnAngelSeptember 19, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    Yes, that would be Ezekiel, played by Tahmoh Penikett. =]

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  47. Back In Black Tricksteress 95September 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Thanks :)

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  48. CPSeptember 19, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    His own thing being trying to help the angels. Yeah.


    Makes sense, on the part of him being in the first episode.

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  49. CPSeptember 19, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    To group Cas fans as one and to just hate a character because of their fandom is not really fair (If I'd have done that I'd hate all the characters on the show because each character can have fans I really don't like - I ignore the ones I dislike).


    Not all Cas fans are the same, just like all Dean and Sam fans aren't the same.


    I like Cas, consider myself a fan, I like his and Dean's friendship, but I am not a Destiel fan (I don't ship anyone and don't think it's the kind of show for it) and the brothers come first to me.


    I have been a brotherhood/Dean fan ever since I began watching in Season 2. I love Season 2 for the brother scenes. My favorite seasons overall were 4 and 5, but my favorite character season for Sam and Dean is Season 2, plus I miss the film quality Season 1 and 2 had. Also, the writing for the characters was best then, more serious and real. The jokes were funny, not silly a pet peeve of mine for the later seasons.


    I have not been happy with Sam and Dean's stories in later seasons at times, not just with Cas's. I have concerns more about the brothers than him.


    I don't like Garth one bit so I can understand you wanting to skip the scenes if you truly don't like the character for the character.

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  50. CPSeptember 19, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    I don't think we can really tell one way or another in less we send vote sheets in the mail to viewers who is watching for what. We have stable viewers but the type of viewers can change without notice. Maybe, maybe not.

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  51. chris684September 19, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    I don't hate you because you want to skip episodes that you're not interested in. I've done it too. I don't enjoy the episodes where Adam Glass gets all mushy with Dean and kids, and I still haven't be able to bring myself to watch the episode last season with Krissy. History has shown that ratings don't drop on episodes without Cas, so you're not hurting anyone by abstaining.


    What's curious though it that you chose to post twice about it here. You're upset that's he's not featured in one group of pictures from one episode, and this is in a season where Misha has been promoted to a Regular. It seems more like your intent here is to make other people feel bad about being excited about a good story for Sam and Dean - which is why I think you're getting the down votes.

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  52. chris684September 19, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    I think it's safe to say that the people who comment on the Internet about Supernatural and who follow spoilers make up such a small proportion of the SPN viewers, that if they all abstained from an episode, it would barely make a blip in the ratings. There are no doubt Cas fans who don't post on the Internet, but people who don't follow online spoilers most likely aren't going to know in advance whether Cas will be on the show or not.

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  53. Merlin EmrysSeptember 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    clap clap clap...,
    beautiful post, good now you know where the hate came :D
    this ignorant b1tch called themself fans, when they skip episode even the season where cas isn't there bithching want this story line hate that characters bla bla bla, like the show is theirs


    what you think others can't do the same, while always hurting them? we are same blood and flesh with brain and heart called human


    i watch this show for 8 years and this called fandom want to ruin the show because their crazy fantasy of destiel lol

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  54. Merlin EmrysSeptember 19, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    ooh you can skip the show if you wants and i will be happy :v ;)

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  55. IndySeptember 19, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    Exactly. I'm not going to watch any Charlie-centric episodes, but I won't try to ruin them for other fans by saying that the ratings will go down. And I certainly won't be saying it with a "cute" emoticon just to piss people off. Very childish IMO. And certainly not the kind of behaviour that Misha and his GISHWHES crew would approve of. People like OP give Cas fans a bad name.

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  56. JewelSeptember 19, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    Some fans seem to be disillusioned into thinking that every fan is involved on the internet. We have shippers thinking the majority of the fandom ships their ship and wants it canon which they solely base on the internet and online polls. In reality, they are actually a minority because too few of the viewers actually interact online. Most viewers are casual fans who may not even be aware of these ships.

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  57. Merlin EmrysSeptember 19, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    well then i call you supernatural fans, because you watch this from before that angel appears to the show, well yes i skip all his scene, i've been honest i start to hate him more and more for many reason i wont denied that
    and i only skip his scene, not the episode or the season, i just ignore cas part :)


    if it cas centric well i just watch once and dont pay attention and never bother to reply, i never absence to watch and download every single episode even if i puke from my elbow to watch it :v :v because i love the show and want me to count as ratting even as only one viewer :D

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  58. JewelSeptember 19, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    You're just being really spiteful, childish and nasty now. So you only like Cas? Good for you. I don't care if you don't tune in you're the one missing out. But it won't matter in the ratings. I remember Cas fans a season or two ago saying they wouldn't watch and there was no dip in the ratings at all. To think the majority of fans are this extreme and only watch for one character or don't tune in at all is ridiculous and delusional. Cas is supposed to be in more episodes this season and instead of being happy about that you're boycotting the episode despite there being clips of him being in this episode? You make no sense.

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  59. NIMSeptember 19, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    Tahmoh!!!!!!! Jensen!!!!!!

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  60. NIMSeptember 19, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    Tahmoh is a ball of hotness plus he will forever give me residual Helo feels!! Looking forward to seeing him on the show.

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  61. SuperMishaAmigaSeptember 19, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    seriously, 2 exact same comments: one from a Cas hater who won't watch Cas scenes, on from Cas lover who won't watch Cas-less episodes. Everyone jumps on the latter. Good job fandom, always SO unbiased;)

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  62. sharonallySeptember 19, 2013 at 6:05 PM

    Well maybe it is the way it is being worded ?. I have never been a Castiel person , there are others I liked more that have felt less intrusive for me but I certainly would not miss a episode because of him. I have missed episodes for other reasons but Castiel was not one of them. My only wish with him is that some more militant elements of his fandom who like Destiel would calm it down abit .

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  63. chris684September 19, 2013 at 6:05 PM

    I don't agree with either comment because they turn something positive (nice photos) into something negative (fan fighting). But I think you have to look at who started it. Considering there were no Cas photos in this post, the comment from someone saying they won't watch Cas scenes makes no sense unless it was in response to the comment about the person saying they won't watch Cas-less episodes.

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  64. LisaSeptember 19, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    From everything I've heard it's a decision that is made because of the fact that there's a price on Castiel's head from the other fallen angels. The boys are too busy taking care of other things and Cas is trying to keep a low profile. Having him running around with the Winchesters would be like a huge flashing neon sign that says "Hey, come and get me!" so there's definitely a good reason why their storylines will be separate for the most part in the beginning of the season. I don't think it has anything to do with the writers intentionally snubbing any portion of the fandom. It just makes sense from a storyline perspective for him and the boys to be separated for now.

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  65. LisaSeptember 19, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Even though I've been watching this show since the very beginning I've always tried to kind of keep myself distanced from the online fandom because of the reputation it has. There are some places where I can go to discuss the actual show without things getting too ugly but more often than not the more radical factions of the fandom tend to show up and turn everything into a huge fight. I couldn't care less who ships whom, people are welcome to do whatever they want but it does kind of bother me when some of these people go out of their way to harass the writers and now even the actors at conventions with their questions about shipping. If it's not in canon, then it should stay in the fanfic realm. That's what these places are there for, right? For like minded people to gather and celebrate these sort of things together. I think it's rude and disrespectful to the people who are putting this show together for us to continually be asked to comment on things that have nothing to do with the actual TV show that they're making.

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  66. LisaSeptember 19, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    Yes, that would totally make sense. Dean praying in the chapel probably is what sets them off. Pissed off angels hearing a Winchester's prayers for help would make for some pretty good conflict.

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  67. GodDamnAngelSeptember 19, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    This. I don't have a Nielsen box, so I know my viewership isn't affecting the ratings one way or another, but my family and I have been watching this series since the beginning, and I consider myself to be a Casfan and have many friends--both in person and online--who love him as well. Even the people I know who favor Sam or Dean more still don't have a hatred for Cas where they would want to fast-forward or stop watching because of him.


    That said, for most of the time, I didn't really follow spoilers for the show, outside of whatever got printed in TV Guide. I always looked forward to seeing Cas, but I never knew when he was going to be around. I didn't even realize that he had been added to the series as a regular until season 6....and then I was left wondering why he was still absent so much even with his new status.


    When he was written off in season 7, my friends and I were devastated. Some ultimately switched to DVRing the series instead of livewatching, and some faded away from the show altogether. I stuck it out until "Death's Door", when Bobby's death proved to be the final straw in my list of grievances. I had no plans to return to the show after hiatus, but then they announced Misha's return. And so began my saga of following spoilers for Supernatural....probably more closely than I've followed spoilers for any series ever. So, while I did not start watching the show for Cas, I literally would not be here (or on other sites) if not for him....and I likely wouldn't still be watching the show.


    Whether or not people have Nielsen boxes to affect ratings or post on spoiler sites, it doesn't mean they don't exist somewhere out in the world.

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  68. GodDamnAngelSeptember 19, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    You only count for ratings if you have a Nielsen box. If you aren't part of a Nielsen family, you don't affect the ratings in either direction.


    Whatever you watch is for your own enjoyment.

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  69. chris684September 19, 2013 at 8:19 PM

    Understood. People often drop shows because they don't like a direction it's taken. I think there's a difference though between saying you're dropping a show because you haven't liked it for months and saying the ratings are going to significantly drop whenever one specific character doesn't appear in an episode.


    I think there are lot of reasons why fans may have dropped off from watching SPN. Cas getting killed off is one. Unhappiness over Dean's storyline is another. Unhappiness with Sam's storyline is another. A sense that the show has lost it's heart and sense of family is another. That the show has lost the horror feel could be another. That the show doesn't have that "brothers on the road" feel of the earlier seasons is another. That the characters seem too depressed could be another. The list is endless. In the end, I think the show's staff should just concentrate on telling a good story, quality writing and characterization all around, and block out the special interests, because whenever they try to please one, they end up alienating another.

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  70. GodDamnAngelSeptember 19, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    I do agree with that. A good story that is compelling and surprising and makes sense is the most important thing. And, honestly, I think a lot of the upset over Cas being killed off, in my experience, had to do with the way it was handled, rather than the mere act of him dying. The fact that what came after wasn't particularly enjoyable didn't help any either. I know my reasons for wanting to leave, and I know my reasons for staying. And I know my friends reasons as well. I also know that our reasons aren't necessarily everyone else's (for staying or going).


    But I do think there's a lot of confusion over the whole ratings thing, in general, and the way it relates to both the fandom and the overall viewership. When people in fandom say that the ratings are going to drop because of no Cas....or the appearance of a love interest...or a specific storyline choice for Dean or Sam....or even the infamous Destiel-or-no-Destiel argument (as there are people who threaten to stop watching if it does happen, as well as if it doesn't), I know what they are really thinking/saying is that *they* will stop watching in that case, and they know a sizable group of people who feel the same. Some of these people may be bluffing; many may not be. But I do find they are generally saying it because they *have* been unhappy for awhile and feel that this would be their breaking point, rather than an instantaneous thing. The part where things get mixed up is that every section believes that the group they are speaking for will affect the ratings because, naturally, if this many people are unhappy in the fandom, it must make some kind of dent, surely? Unfortunately, this is not necessarily the case, since none of those people are going to affect anything if they don't have Nielsen boxes.


    On the flipside, though, there are also people who use the ratings to try to justify or disprove the feelings of the "majority" of fans or even the majority of the general viewership, despite the fact that the majority of people who own TVs are not Nielsen families, and it stands to reason the majority of SPN fans and viewers are not either. Case in point: SPN has 10 million "likes" on facebook, but only averages around 2 million viewers based on Nielsen ratings. That's a pretty large difference. People use these numbers to make faulty assumptions that the unhappy people who are threatening to quit are either bluffing (because the ratings didn't go down, so, they couldn't have actually left) or that they did leave, but are so small in number that they aren't even a blip on the radar screen of fandom. In truth, they could make up a significant portion of fandom, or even of the general viewership, but if most of them don't have the All-Powerful Box, then they aren't counted and make little impact on the numbers.


    Cas is a good example for demonstrating this because of the fact that he doesn't really seem to impact the ratings on an episode-to-episode basis, but anyone who looks at other aspects outside of the ratings can see that he is obviously a popular character. This doesn't mean *everyone* loves him, or that everyone has to, but he definitely has more of a following than some like to give him credit for.


    And the same logic can be applied to other things as well. But it is true that casual viewers do not generally pay much attention to gossip about upcoming episodes, so the overall effect of losing those people, if they did stop, would also not be instantaneous, since it would likely take them a few episodes to figure out what was going on and how they felt about it and they likely would not leave all at once, the way some seem to picture it should be.

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  71. dharmabum8September 19, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    I watched the first three seasons. I'm kind of over the Winchesters at this point who seem to be stuck in a creepy codependent rut since Kripke left, but I'm still interested in Cas's story as he continues to evolve. For me, what was emotionally engaging about Sam and Dean's devotion when they were in their twenties and coming to grips with their family history now just seems a little weird and stunted in their thirties soon to be forties. So guess what? At this point I mostly watch for Cas and I think people who lecture "Cas fans" continuously that this show is only about the brothers are the real, true scary part of this fandom. I don't give a flip why fans who still care about Sam and Dean's unbreakable umbilical chord enjoy it so long as they back the heck off and let me enjoy the Cas storyline without the constant lectures. There has been woefully little Cas in the promotional material for season 9 and If I want to point that out and say Im worried that too many important parts of his storyline are going to happen offscreen again like they did the last time he was a series regular, I will. I'm having bad season 6 déjà vu so for me, so far, the season 9 promo is an epic fail, but I hope I'm proven wrong.

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  72. dharmabum8September 19, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    You can repeat that as much as you want but it doesn't make it true. I would be willing to bet that if the show continued on the way it was headed in season 7 to end with Cas dead, Bobby dead, Crowley dead, and no engaging support characters left over from the first 5 seasons, and it was just Sam and Dean and the demon or monster of the week, the CW wouldn't have been negotiating for a season 10. I always have hope that Carver will turn things around for ghe Winchesters, and the Men of a Letters thing was a nice touch, but until Sam and Dean stop regressing and falling back into old patterns, IMO the fallen angels/Cas/Crowley vs. Abbadon fight for hell portion of the show is the going to be the only part of the show that seems fresh and exciting in season 9.

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  73. chris684September 19, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    I agree with most of this. Just a couple of things to add. One is that people tend to search out friendly environments to post in. In other words, they don't stay somewhere if they don't find like-minded people, so different groups and online cultures develop on different sites. Because people mostly stick to a few groups where there are people of the same mindset, friendships form, and they start forming group opinions. When they all start saying the same thing, that strengthens their perception that they speak for the majority of fans - because everyone in their same group has come to an understanding of certain "truths" in the fandom. They experience culture shock when they visit a new site and realize that no one has heard of these truths they consider universal.


    Second point is that there's a difference between people who like or love Cas, or any other character, and those who would drop the show if that character wasn't around. Off of the top of my head, I can't think of any show that I've dropped just because one character wasn't around anymore. That doesn't mean that I haven't felt a big loss or sense of disappointment when a favorite character is written off. It depends on my overall satisfaction with the show. If there's still something I'm enjoying about it, I'll stick around and see if someone or something new can fill the gap. But the fans weren't enjoying the show much anymore, and that was the last straw, then I can see how people might leave. But with that said, I think the SPN's online fandom has a tighter bond with their favorites than in the case of most shows, but I'm not sure this would carry over to the nononline fandom.

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  74. Merlin EmrysSeptember 19, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    whatever that Nielson box mean lol :v
    im not live in america so im not watching them when it aired, so i watch it online and download the link while available, then i watch it when it aired in my country while it took few month from the original aired date, and buy the ORIGINAL DVD for me and for my family so they know about the show, and i count that as help for the show rating


    and yes i watch for my enjoyment, i dont enjoy cas part and i skip it, but still i watch the show for the story and the brothers, and i dont have any problem with others character even Garth or crazy Martin, are you mad? :v

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  75. chris684September 19, 2013 at 11:30 PM

    I think there are a lot of Sam and Dean fans who want more attention paid on the Winchesters so that they have more interesting storylines developed than their codependent relationship, just like there are Cas fans who would like his development expanded beyond fish-out-of-water comic relief.

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  76. GodDamnAngelSeptember 20, 2013 at 12:10 AM

    Oh yes....Group think obviously runs rampant in this fandom. Part of the reason I check out reactions on various sites, even when I know it's biased against my own interests, is that I prefer to be aware of all perspectives, whether or not I agree. If it's too volatile, I tend to just lurk rather than posting, but I'll still poke my nose in to see what's being said. I know most people do not do this, though.


    That said, I definitely experienced massive culture shock, myself, when I first dipped my toes into the online portion of SPN fandom, after watching the show as a casual viewer for 6 1/2 years. I've participated in other fandoms before, so there were certain things I was expecting as par for the course (including shipping, in all its forms, rumors, BTS gossip, jealousy and hatred of wives and girlfriends, fandom elitists hating on noobs, etc), but there were a lot of things that straight-up blindsided me as well: the Bro Wars, people talking about how Sam or Dean are under-utilized and should just be written out of the series, taking tally of individual characters' screentime, the venomous hatred and suspicion of any one with female parts, the resistance toward the addition of new characters, in general, and, yes, the inordinate levels of hatred of Castiel/Misha (I did expect to find *some* Cas hate, as nothing is universally liked, and this *is* the internet where negative opinions and trolls both run wild and free, but not to this extent).


    BUT becoming a part of the fandom, as overwhelming an experience as it was, didn't change my opinions on anything that I had as a casual viewer, though I can't accurately say how I may have interpreted anything else going forward. In most cases, I find that fandoms tend to be a more passionate manifestation of feelings and thoughts that are already present in the general audience, with a finer eye for details as well (since the casual audience doesn't pay as much attention or often forgets things after awhile), but then the communal aspect of it feeds on itself and intensifies those feelings further. But, again, the SPN fandom is highly unusual compared to most, so I have no idea what to make of it a lot of the time.

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  77. GodDamnAngelSeptember 20, 2013 at 12:37 AM

    SPN is an American show so its continued existence is dependent on the American ratings, which is the Neilsen ratings system. This system works as a sort of survey, in that TV owners from varying demographic backgrounds are given Set Meters that monitor their TV consumption, as well as being asked to fill out monthly viewer diaries with their own watching habits. Not all Americans are monitored this way, only a select but diverse group of people.


    Outside of the U.S., the ratings for your local channels will help decide whether that channel continues to carry SPN for you, but it has no impact on whether the show continues to be made or not. Unofficial streams and illegal downloads (as opposed to iTunes or Amazon purchases) definitely are not factored in to the equation. DVD sales and legal episode downloads (as welll as any streams from the CW's official site) sometimes are taken into account, but are often not the primary deciding factor in a show's survival.


    I am not mad at all. But I am quickly realizing that you are, indeed, a troll and not much worth anyone's time.

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  78. Merlin EmrysSeptember 20, 2013 at 12:44 AM

    well thank you for explaining thing and stuff


    glad this troll can help a little for the show to continue, i think thats the most important part LoL


    and yeah you not angry at all :v :v

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  79. GodDamnAngelSeptember 20, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    I'm not fond of either of this person's comments here, and I won't defend them. But I have to be honest that there *is* a definite bias around here. Anytime anyone posts anything pro-Cas, it always gets at least one downvote, whether it was warranted or not. Often, it gets several. I've tried to be open-minded about it, but it does get pretty ridiculous at times.


    There are other comments that get downvoted for silly reasons too, but the Cas ones always get more, unless someone said something particularly nasty in response, or one of the Cas-friendlies posted the link on twitter or tumblr, causing a Casfan deluge.


    And even then, I've seen people being outright rude or trollish regarding Castiel, Misha or his fans and actually be *defended* by people on here because its their "right" to have an opinion and express it, and people should just ignore it if they don't like it or agree. But if a Cas fan does the same, then they are instantly vilified for the exact same actions. I wouldn't mind any fan being called out for rudeness or hate, but that sort of treatment should be applied both ways.

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  80. CyanaTSeptember 20, 2013 at 4:27 AM

    I just read the synopsis for the premiere and Dean is praying and offering a favor for whoever (angel) can help. Naturally most of them are pissed at the Winchesters - alone - for pulling the plug on their "apocalypse" and chance for "angel's paradise", let alone any beef for their Fall that they imagine the Winchesters were complicit in, and Dean just willing gave up their location. I agree what's SPN without heavy duty conflict, only this year's should start out making much more sense than last year's debacle of a "Sam storyline",

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  81. LisaSeptember 20, 2013 at 4:32 AM

    Yes, I even posted about it over there that your theory was correct. That he's the one to trigger the angel attack with his prayers. And I agree, that Sam storyline was so WTF? worthy it's not even funny. Makes me wonder what the hell the writers were thinking. So far from the spoilers we have for this season it at least looks promising.

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  82. JewelSeptember 20, 2013 at 4:45 AM

    Thanks for proving you were just trolling. Only interested in reactions. Transparent.

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  83. CyanaTSeptember 20, 2013 at 6:09 AM

    IA ... about 100x more promising that the artificial conflict of the S8 premiere.
    Carver repeatedly said that Sam made the "mature decision" in moving on after "Dean's Death" but then he gave Sam no "validation" for his decision. Dean, Meg and Soul!Bobby bitched at him and he was not allowed to rationally explain his decision - at least very little "aired". I want to forget all about "Samelia" but I did buy the S8 Blue Rays - the Purgatory scenes and generally eps 8.11 through 8.23 (with a few exceptions) were solid enough that I decided to buy S8.

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  84. JewelSeptember 20, 2013 at 6:40 AM

    To be honest, the show is about the brothers and that's it. It's about Sam and Dean not Cas. So when his fans are constantly trying to make EVERYTHING about him it's disrespectful and annoying as hell. His fans like it or not, have actually attributed to any dislike towards the character. It's hard to like him when all his fans act as though he's the only character that matters, it's hard to like him when people act as though he should replace Sam, it's hard to like him when he screws over the main characters, it's hard to like him when fans only watch for him and ignore what the show is about. YOu may complain about Cas hate but honestly, his fans don't exactly make it easy for people to like him. His OWN FANS alienate him from the fandom. Intended or not.



    You guys insisting he deserves his own show actually just alienates him from the current one. I'm not saying Cas hate is deserved but I don't like the character and it's not hard to see why others don't. YOu have got to cool it with the Cas love. It's too much so that people actually start to resent him and you all look like jerks. COOL IT.

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  85. LisaSeptember 20, 2013 at 7:00 AM

    It was nothing short of character assassination and I'm still pissed off about it. But you're right, from episode 11 on the season did get much better and I'm thankful for that at least. I haven't been this excited for a SPN premiere since season 5, not even joking. I've stuck with this show through a lot over the years, so hopefully season 9 lives up to my expectations.

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  86. MissDaisy1776September 20, 2013 at 7:59 AM

    Me too... I'm so excited it's not funny anymore!

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  87. MissDaisy1776September 20, 2013 at 8:26 AM

    The beginning of S8 was about Reality vs Illusion / Make believe, cause the brothers saw only theire perspectiv, and by the flashbacks Purgatory haze/grey/brutal & Amelia haze /bright/ sunny, the viewer saw that both memories were exaggerareted both memories had nothing too to do with what really happend -false memories- . Both suffered theire loss in a differend way. Therefore you can't but the blame on Sam or Dean. That's how the human brain acts when something tragic happens. Both brothers have their nemesis, the deep angst of loosing each other. Don't forget Sams fragile world literally exploded when the Leviathan blew up. The worse case scenario happend to Sam. Dean, Sams guiding figure throughout his entire life vanished in total nothingness. No time to prepare, to time to plan and no time to evaluate. The only way for Sam imo to survive this immense loss was to flee from reality. And therefore accepting the total annihilation of hope. Cause „looking & hunting“ for Dean, would imply the deep profoundly hope that his brother is still alive. But how can someone believe in hope when there is no hope no more. And Sam seeing his brother alive, not knowing what to believe. Shock and awe. Sam the profound thinker, lost again, tourn apart by inner turmoil. By noticing how careworn his brother appears, to hear that the one he mourned for a year has spend the time in a neverending battlefield,
    must be breath taking. Sams only conclusion is the ultimate inner
    retreat. Then how could you campaire bloody purgatory with the
    darkeness beeing lost in total forlornness. You can't, it would seem
    inconsequential.
    When S8 started I also thought wtf, in retrospect it makes sense.

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  88. MNSeptember 20, 2013 at 9:30 AM

    Actually, I thought that the OP's intent with this comment largely stemmed from just a direct response to the comment above theirs about skipping every Cas scene. I'm not defending this, but I have noticed that many times some fans tend to lash out when they feel they or their favorite character are being attacked. I personally don't believe this person's comments were meant to try to make anyone else feel bad for being excited about a good story for Sam and Dean, but rather just someone that felt left out by not having their favorite included, and then felt attacked by other comments made above. Of course, when you try to decipher intent behind other's words or actions, things can often get murky, so who knows. I often wonder what reasons some people have for down voting comments. I've seen perfectly nice comments receive down votes before that baffled me why people didn't like those comments.


    I do think too that a lot of fans (all kinds of fans) do tend to try to use the ratings as a threat towards the show. I'm not commenting on whether it is right or wrong, but just that it does happen. We're not happy about something and we say that we're not going to watch it anymore, in the hopes that our opinions matter and what we are unhappy with gets better. I've done that with businesses and products other than just televisions shows, and I know many other people do too. People are unhappy with a service or product and threaten not to use that service/product/company anymore in the hopes that things will improve. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. To me, it is just another way to tell customer service that you're not a happy customer.

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  89. LisaSeptember 20, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    Yes but they're also relying on the viewers to use their own headcanon to get to those conclusions, which really isn't a good thing. I did catch the parallels between both storylines, with Dean only remembering Purgatory the way he wanted to and Sam doing the same thing with Amelia. But what I couldn't understand is why the writers hanged Sam out to dry by leaving it out there that he never looked for Dean. I get that he had some sort of breakdown and that he was miserable and found someone equally as miserable to be miserable with, but if they had just shown one scene of him at least trying to look for his brother it would have fixed the misconception that a lot of viewers had that Sam didn't actually care about Dean.

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  90. MissDaisy1776September 21, 2013 at 6:25 AM

    Your right about the writers, eventhough I studied pshychology it took me a while to seek "the elephant in the room". About Sam, well the viewers were "observing" it through a "healthy mind". Thats the main problem, a broken soul or pshyche is not right away detectable, like a broken leg for example. You only recognize it by the irrational behavoir. And Sams behavoir was irrational, thats what upsetted the fans, cause they couldn't understand why he didn't react.
    In depressing moments people do not act rational, they only react
    without thought, they function in world to wich they lost connection.
    The writers in a way showed Sams "disfunction & disconection", but the fact is the "viewers" only wanted to see, what they wanted to see ;-).
    The common theme in the beginnig of S8 was the PERSPECTIVE = Deans, Sams and important the viewer(!).
    Imo the main factor in the beginning of S8 is the perspectiv of the „to
    wish-ego-sight or high expectation“ and the human disability to
    admit that „what we want to see“ doesn't always correspond with
    the reality. We all can relate to that kind of flaws, we all have high expectations and we are all disapointed when reality strikes back, and also to
    discover that are expectations only were an illusion out of our deepest core.
    The way we would like the world to be.
    Heavy stuff, I felt that the SPN writters & directors used an old renaissance
    symbolic technic the „hiding in plain sight“, and only by deciphering the symbolic one could persive the elephant in the room.

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  91. GodDamnAngelSeptember 21, 2013 at 7:24 AM

    I am well-aware that Castiel is polarizing, and I have already said that I didn't agree with this person's comments on this thread (Cas has had plenty of promotion this year, and certainly getting worked up into a tantrum over it is no good....though the same could be said for those throwing fits about "too much Cas"). The only point I was addressing is a trend that I have observed over the course of my time posting here, on many articles, where one group of fans seems to get treated harsher than another group of fans for the same behavior. I find that to be unfair, personally. Everyone is biased when it comes to expressing their opinions, but I wish people would be more mindful of double standards in treatment of their fellow fans.....or just people, in general.

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  92. Samuel PierceSeptember 22, 2013 at 10:36 AM

    To your last point -
    There used to be a bunch of Hebrews who were made to stomp around in mud and straw like a bunch of despairing old workers in a winery (or so The Ten Commandments taught me) and then forced to build the pyramids. They were used like workhorses because they were smart enough to do the job - and yet somehow not quite good enough, not quite human enough, to count for anything else.
    There were appalling numbers of African natives who were either captured or sold down the river by their rival tribes (or relatives) and shipped off to England, the Caribbean, the Americas, etc and used exceedingly poorly for centuries, in fact only in the last century finally attaining some sort of understood equality in which they, as fully functioning members of our species, were allowed to behave and act like the rest of us. Even now, pockets of denial as to the bona fideness of their humanity still exists.
    The Women's Suffrage movement sought (and was essentially successful) to undo an equality from the dawn of time where basically one half of our human population - the useful, necessary and intelligent, child-bearing, dress -wearing portion - was not deemed equal to the other, and unallowed to be, think or do as the other.
    There's so much hate everywhere. It's so easy to hate. It's so easy to discount someone else's feelings simply because they are different. It's so easy to act like someone who loves something you don't love or don't understand is unworthy or lesser than you. It's so easy to believe that hatred is OK because you are better than them. And if not actively thinking so, that feeling is put forward simply by not allowing the others to be held in the same stead. It's so easy to dismiss others who show the same fervour for their beloved passion-project as another party shows for their own, and claim that hatred is OK because it is expressed for the love of something else.
    Subjugation and denigration are funny things, and we as a species are always so happy to embark on that journey and fight that crusade because the infidel isn't as human as we are.
    Denying a fandom the right or allowance to express their love is admittedly not as heinous as those other historical examples, yet it's certainly in the same vein, the same strain of abhorrent behaviour and mindset. Don't we all feel a little more warmer, fuzzier and more secure now that we know we're following such high-minded examples?

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  93. Courtney CatesSeptember 27, 2013 at 2:50 AM

    I am really looking forward to this season. I am curious as to what the Winchester brothers relationship is going to be like! I hope it is goingbto be similar to the brothers realationship with Castiel or is it going to be same old song and dance like their relationships with angels like Gabriel? Plus I have been hearing that there is the possibility of the Archangel Gabriel's posssible return. I know that there was a claim by one of the writers that he is alive. I would for him and his portrayer Richard Speight Jr to return,but I am not going to hold my breath.

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  94. CarrieSeptember 27, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    I would love for Gabriel to return!

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  95. Elena WonderlandApril 8, 2014 at 2:54 AM

    In the 5 minute sneak peek it seems Bobby and Dean interact because Bobby tells him "Are you dead?Because I am!" and Dean looks at him and kinda rolls his eyes in frustration.

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  96. klutzy_girlApril 8, 2014 at 3:34 AM

    Did you miss the multiple behind the scenes pictures of Misha? And Cas in the promos? They're probably keeping his storyline a secret or something.

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  97. sharonallyApril 8, 2014 at 3:34 AM

    Not really .It is just the show in the first episode will focus on the brothers and rightly so. Cas will be there , he is always there , he never goes away. It just wasnt needed for these promo pictures.

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  98. tvmonkeyApril 8, 2014 at 5:14 AM

    I wonder if he will or if only Sam will be able to even inside his own head?

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