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Supernatural - Episode 9.05 - Bad Boys - Small Snippet

18 Aug 2013

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Episode 9.05 of Supernatural has a character called Robin, who is now in her 30's and is now a waitress at a small diner. She remembers Dean from their adolescent romance from nearly 20 years ago.

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120 comments:

  1. LittleDreamer18 August 2013 at 11:30

    Lisa 2.0 anybody?

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  2. Katarzyna Skop18 August 2013 at 11:50

    Perhaps she'll be like 'yeah, we had a great time 20 years ago, it wad illuminating for me, you made me realize I'm a lesbian' or sth.

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  3. Peter J418 August 2013 at 12:05

    She's not there to die or be evil, is she? And can she have a life beyond being Dean's old love?


    I wonder when this even was. I got the impression the family rarely stayed anywhere very long.

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  4. AmbarWinchester18 August 2013 at 12:13

    Adolescent romance? That's ridiculous! Please, the writers did to Dean Winchester as a Casanova, a boy who only sleeps with a girl one night and the next morning ''goodbye''. And now, he has a teenage love everywhere? That is not credible, please SPN is a serious and adult series, not about old teenage romances. It's not credible that they meet again after 20 years. She reminds Dean? I understand that the teen romance is not easy to forget, but it's crazy, an idea of writers that they don't even know what to write more!! Dean has always been a womanizer and now he fell in love with a lot of girls, please, he seems more romantic than Sam! And it seems too coincidental that all the girls who slept with him appear in the series, Cassie, Lisa... That is not credible either. I think it's silly to spend an episode inventing characters that bored the fans and it makes no sense. I prefer Dean and Jo, but I don't say this for the couple, I say this as a fan who wants to see things interesting for the possible ultimate or penultimate season of the series. I hope they resurrect the SPN family and forget about silly and bored teenagers romances in a series of this caliber.



    DEAN AND JO FOREVER & SAM AND JESS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!

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  5. klutzy_girl18 August 2013 at 12:45

    LOL, it was probably just a one night stand and she thought it meant more. Calm down and stop jumping to conclusions based on a sentence.

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  6. rehabber18 August 2013 at 12:45

    I am not going to judge the ep before seeing it, but do agree with what I would like to see on SPN. Back to the FAMILY BUSINESS, HUNTING AND KILLING EVIL THINGS. And a biggie for me, not killing canon.

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  7. LittleDreamer18 August 2013 at 12:48

    Lisa was just a "bendy weekend" and look how that turned out.

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  8. Karrie_B18 August 2013 at 12:54

    Sounds boring. I hope the show doesn't seriously expect me to care about yet another one of Dean's old flames. Would be great though if she doesn't want to start things anew with him and instead has agency beyond being Dean's (former) love interest.

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  9. tvmonkey18 August 2013 at 13:08

    This is Deans hook up that Jared was talking about. Shame the title sounded like real chance for some badass Sam and Dean not just some bimbo Dean shagged way back remembering what a bad boy she thought he was. This sounds like filler crap.

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  10. Elena Wonderland18 August 2013 at 13:15

    Just...As long as she doesn't have a kid which COULD be Dean's and she is NOTHING like Lisa,I'm ok with it.For some reason I think she'll be only introduced to give Dean some action with a girl.

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  11. Cindy Shufelt Givens18 August 2013 at 13:42

    Well I see by the comments that the fans are already frothing at the mouth at the mention one of Dean's old romance saying it's in character. Well I'm going to remind you of ' After School Special' where he had a girl friend as well as the mention of Rhonda Hurley when they were both 18. Those are adolescent romances and this is in keeping with Dean's character. Dean went to Lisa because he made a promise to Sam and he was a wreck after all he'd been through. In past episodes he did wonder what normal life would be like. But that is over. We saw Dean realize his true purpose in life and no it's not rocking the white picket fence.

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  12. browniegirl2718 August 2013 at 13:48

    While everyone else is complaining about Dean's former flame, I'm cheering that we got a semi spoiler for Dean. Give me more Dean spoilers. :)

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  13. Black In Black Tricksteress 9518 August 2013 at 14:02

    Good memory haha. Not going to judge yet seems alot more to the story.

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  14. Caroline Veronica18 August 2013 at 14:23

    Well I'm not gonna cheer about a Dean spoiler until we get a serious one that implies a PRESENT story/myth arc. Also this show has gone from horror/sci fi to drama. Yeah, that's what it's labeled as in my country, "thriller drama". I just wish they would at least a few really dark episodes with landscapes shots of the impala, just where the boys hunt a freaking wendigo or something. That'd be cool.

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  15. jensenfan197818 August 2013 at 14:27

    They stayed long enough for him to love Cassie.

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  16. jensenfan197818 August 2013 at 14:28

    There's presedent. Cassie. so Dean might be a Casanova, but he has had love in his life more than once.

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  17. Peter J418 August 2013 at 14:33

    I actually think that if Dean had a stable love interest, a recurring character who would help him be happy, yet not become his entire life, he would have more of a chance to move into other storylines beyond how broken and alone he is.


    The problem is that they never do this with Dean or Sam. That's why I dread spoilers like this. She is likely to be there just so that Dean might have a roll in the hay, then make a sad face or cry a tear over the misery of his life and the boulevard of broken dreams.


    I don't have a problem believing he had a great love in high school, but the idea has been done several times now and it just sounds like something out of a Mary Sue fic.


    I really hope this will play better than it reads. If she's just there for sex, or to die, or to be evil, it's pointless.

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  18. browniegirl2718 August 2013 at 14:35

    Here's the thing. I've pretty much given up hope that we'll get a spoiler that ties Dean to the present story/myth arc. I don't know what this episode is about, but I'm going to guess that it has nothing to do with the myth arc. I'm just hoping the episode will give us some insight into Dean's psyche for a change. Maybe this episode will be the one where Sam and the audience is supposed to see a side to Dean we've never seen before.


    And yes, I'm all for Supernatural having darker episodes. It's an aspect of the show that I truly miss. Look, I have a lot of complaints about this show right now, but I just don't feel like discussing those today.

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  19. Peter J418 August 2013 at 14:45

    I thought that was after the family had already split, when Dean was on his own...I can't remember though.

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  20. percysowner18 August 2013 at 14:47

    Sam's girlfriends, barring Amelia, are the ones who die or go evil. Dean has had Cassie and Amelia who are both alive and doing fine and totally not evil.



    I do hope she has a life beyond ex-girlfriend. We need more characters like that.

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  21. Miss Supernatural18 August 2013 at 14:54

    Well, if I knew Dean, I would never forget him either. ;D


    I just hope it's good memories and that things will stay that way.

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  22. Black In Black Tricksteress 9518 August 2013 at 15:15

    I hope so too :D

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  23. ScottA18 August 2013 at 15:39

    And she's getting hit on by one of the angels who fell.



    Would Dean still need an angel blade to kill him/her?

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  24. No Name18 August 2013 at 18:06

    just look at this scene from Season 1 - Scarecrow ;)

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  25. Elena Wonderland18 August 2013 at 18:48

    YOU ARE KIDDING!!! :O

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  26. agata18 August 2013 at 22:15

    Earn big cash just by uploading videos in youtube: http://tinyurl.com/llqzxse

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  27. Dahne19 August 2013 at 02:55

    Yes, it was after Sam went to Stanford and Dean and John were working different cases.

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  28. Dahne19 August 2013 at 03:00

    She better be in her upper 30's or that adolescent romance took place when she was in middle school. Dean was pretty young 20 years ago also so I doubt this romance was as major as they are hinting.

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  29. Dahne19 August 2013 at 03:04

    As long as they didn't actually land on her in the fall...

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  30. ScottA19 August 2013 at 03:15

    Now THAT'S funny! Actually drew a parallel from the planes falling out of the night sky in Revolution and the angels falling.



    Could it be the spirits of the show are calling Kripke back?

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  31. ScottA19 August 2013 at 03:16

    Hey! That's my phone!

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  32. ScottA19 August 2013 at 03:17

    Just seems that everything I see is giving me reason to NOT tune in this year.

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  33. ScottA19 August 2013 at 03:19

    When I was in my adolescence, my romance was with baseball.

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  34. Dahne19 August 2013 at 03:24

    Nah, it's the aura of desperate fans astral projecting. On SPN, when spirits think a show sucks, they start killing off those in charge instead. :-P

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  35. Dahne19 August 2013 at 03:27

    If you do, I still expect snarky, but non-spoiler tweets after every episode. If you don't, let's marathon it over the summer and make our own Twitter fun.

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  36. SuePo19 August 2013 at 03:53

    Scott, my friend, I have one word for you: Upgrade. :)

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  37. SuePo19 August 2013 at 03:54

    Is there room for one more? :))

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  38. Dahne19 August 2013 at 04:15

    Sue's right. Even my mom's phone is more current than that and I think she got hers 10 years ago.

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  39. Dahne19 August 2013 at 04:17

    Absolutely, but you will have to join the Twitter nation if you haven't already done so. Trust me, it's a fun, snarky place to live and any annoying characters come with a banish button. Now don't you wish TV Land worked the same way.

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  40. mani19 August 2013 at 04:28

    Remember when Jared said this to Jensen:
    I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DO NOT KNOW:))

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  41. ScottA19 August 2013 at 05:23

    I did. My last one had a dial on it.

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  42. Folie-lex19 August 2013 at 06:23

    The show has a history of handling those storylines well, so I can't find myself too interested about it....

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  43. Tom Sims19 August 2013 at 09:05

    "It's not credible that they meet again after 20 years"

    in a show in which the unaccountably beautiful and healthy yet lifelong-impoverished orphan sons of two monster hunters who were fated to be the true vessels of the archangels Michael and Lucifer in the final battle of the Apocalypse and are also the last scions of a centuries-old secret society, have been traveling through small-town America for over 30 years hunting down and killing ghosts, monsters, and demons using only improvised weapons, the aid of powerful supernatural companions who defied fate and their own natures, and their own wits

    it's not believable to you that visiting a small town years later might result in meeting back up with someone who grew up in that same small town when they were younger

    o ok

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  44. rehabber19 August 2013 at 11:44

    perfect comment. lol

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  45. Genevieve Taylor19 August 2013 at 11:51

    That is awesome!

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  46. roxi19 August 2013 at 14:47

    Dean has NOT had all these romances. The thing with Cassie was so poorly done by everybody (yes including Jensen) that it can hardly be counted and Lisa was not shown as much of a romance than a promise he made to Sam in despair. Anything else was just something Dean mentioned, not ever shown. Sam has actually had three real romances. Can't Dean have an actual real romance too? Even if it can't last.

    What I see here is some people just not liking the fact that for once, Dean may actually have some kind of storylines of his own coming up, ones that give HIM some importance and aren't merely him centering his whole existence around Sam, or worrying about Cas. Sam and Cas always get all the main story arcs. Let Dean have a crumb thrown to him just once in a while.
    And not to worry; I sincerely doubt this encounter will amount to anything more than a kiss or quick tumble in the sack.

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  47. roxi19 August 2013 at 14:50

    It was Sam who had Amelia, sorry.

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  48. Gina_D19 August 2013 at 15:49

    Oh my god, really? Is this Dean's storyline now? Is that supposed to get us excited for what's in store for Dean in season 9? I am seriously side-eyeing the writers right now. Literally the only things that have been released about season 9 is that Sam's still dying, Cas is going to HAVE SEX AND USE THE POTTY, DID I MENTION SEX, YES, A LOT OF SEX (um ok??), and Dean is going to meet an old flame, and probably HAVE SEX.


    What the hell has this show become?

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  49. percysowner19 August 2013 at 16:12

    You're right, I meant Lisa. Brain freeze, or an indication of how little I cared about Lisa.

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  50. roxi19 August 2013 at 21:42

    Hey, I'm psyched that Carver and Singer actually are remembering Dean's name now, and at least have two episodes( of course, not an actual major story arc,) that feature him. I'm so starved for Dean to get ANY kind of story that I'll gladly take it.
    And I disagree with you here, if we count from the middle of season 7 to a year in Purgatory and then all of last year, it's been 2 1/2 years since Dean's gotten laid! So if that's all that happens it's worth it. In any case I'm sure it won't be any meaningful romance, because that would actually give Dean some kind of storyline and Lord knows we can't have that.
    If I'm pleasantly surprised and it actually does turn out to be a bona-fide romance, then she will have to have some connection to the SPN world and know all about Dean. The Amelia story was all wrong for so many reasons but one of them was that the guy she was in love with was NOT Sam, She didn't know a thing about him, who he really was or what he had been through, and he had to pretend and be someone he wasn't to be with her. He could've left hunting but she still needed to know all that came before in order to be his true love and she didn't.
    I am feeling hopeful that these mentions of Dean mean he is finally getting his due as a character and will have some good story arcs coming up.

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  51. sharonally19 August 2013 at 21:48

    I agree it is time Dean had a 'romance' they cant give Sam another one and she will not be Amelia .Dean's characters tend to get the sympathy treatment so good luck to him. Dean and lack of stroy is not something I go along with just because Sam gets a story doesnt suddenly negate everything Dean has had and gets Sam got the mytharc and Dean has had everything else including season 4 Benny and Castiel and Purgatory but that is a endless argument.

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  52. roxi19 August 2013 at 21:50

    Not a problem, I felt the same way about Amelia. In fact, the only thing that kept me from fast fowarding through her scenes was the fact that Sam was in them and even that was almost not enough.

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  53. roxi19 August 2013 at 21:56

    So, do all of you truly believe that Dean is NEVER supposed to have sex again? Or Sam for that matter? It's unrealistic and unfair to the characters to expect them to live in total celibacy for the rest of their lives. Yes, perhaps ongoing romantic relationships wouldn't work until the show starts coming to an end, but these are gorgeous, redblooded, HUMAN guys, they have needs like every other human. It doesn't mean they're not devoted to eachother and their mission.

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  54. roxi19 August 2013 at 23:36

    So you think that Cassie and Lisa are the ONLY girls Dean ever slept with? For real? Sorry, but THAT'S not credible! And yes, Sam DOES seem more romantic than Dean, being that we've seen him have 3 meaningful ,love stories. All Dean usually gets are one night stands that we've mostly heard about not seen. I'm having a hard time understanding your logic; on one hand you call Dean a womanizer but then you claim he has only slept with 2 women. In his entire life.
    Also, teen romances are not 'falling in love'. They're just crushes that all teenagers have when the hormones kick in. More a sexual response than an emotional one.

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  55. roxi19 August 2013 at 23:46

    I really wish I knew what 'everything else' Dean has gotten. Season 1 was all about Sam's quest for revenge and reuniting with John, Season 2 was all about Sam psychic powers and chosen one status, with a side of Dean's guilt about John with nothing for Dean until he sold his soul at the very end. Season 3 was more balanced. Season 4 was far more about Sam's demon blood and Ruby than it was about Dean. Season 5 was about both of them being the vessels but only Sam could stop Lucifer. Season 6, Souless Sam took center stage and then Cas came front. Season 7 sucked for both of them. And then season 8, Sam was in love, only Sam could kill a hellhound only Sam could do the trials, and then he got sick. And season 9 with have a huge secret about, yep, Sam. It's not that 'Sam gets a story'. It's that to me and many others, he get almost ALL the stories. So I'm sorry, we really, really see things differently.

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  56. roxi19 August 2013 at 23:57

    Not to mention Purgatory turned out to be more about Cas,and was over in a few episodes. That story amounted to nothing, had no importance, and had no significant impact on Dean for lasting character growth. Meanwhile, almost every episode in the first half featured something pertaining to Sam story with Amelia. Even though it was a lousy story, it was still one of the main stories of season 8.

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  57. MasterWho20 August 2013 at 00:06

    It's not that people expect them to never have sex or relationships. It's that this seems to be the only thing we've got. Angels fall from heaven, Sam is near dead, Abaddon is out there somewhere and we get "Dean had a romance 20 years ago" ?

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  58. SuePo20 August 2013 at 00:14

    My apologies. You are a master of modern technology. I bow to your wisdom. :))

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  59. SuePo20 August 2013 at 00:15

    Shhhh. Let him have this one. We need him to take one for the team so we don't have to!!

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  60. SuePo20 August 2013 at 00:18

    I would like a universal banish button. So many uses. :)). I'm on twitter but pretty much useless. I'll figure it out eventually. :))

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  61. ScottA20 August 2013 at 00:18

    After years of my friends telling me; "You don't need brakes. You've got feet like Fred Flintstone." I appreciate the support!

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  62. SuePo20 August 2013 at 00:20

    Don't ask. We may not like the answer. :/

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  63. roxi20 August 2013 at 00:25

    Myself, I hope they get back to doing a straight comedy episode every now and again like they used to in earlier seasons. We need a break from all the sad stuff and everybody, both Jared and Jensen, shines when they do comedy and those episodes are usually well written and funny as hell.

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  64. roxi20 August 2013 at 00:42

    I don't remember any 'great love' Dean had except Cassie.I don't remember there being several. And I didn't think Cassie was a great love anyway, just the first girl he really had strong feelings for.
    Besides, a teen romance doesn't imply being in love. Most teen romances are just the first crushes we have as our hormones are going crazy.
    I doubt anything will come of this other than a good time in bed which Dean in long overdue for anyway. I don't think true love will ever come for either Dean or Sam until the end and who knows? Maybe it really will turn out to be that Cas is Dean's true soulmate after all. I didn't used to think that but lately I've been warming up to the idea.

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  65. Dahne20 August 2013 at 00:59

    I didn't even know you were on Twitter. How did that happen? What's your @? I have pretty much stopped tweeting about Supernatural but Ro and I are having fun with Teen Wolf and I generally talk about any other show I am watching. Tonight's that's Under the Dome and my increasing concern that Junior is alive to punish me while the dome is a giant alien conspiracy to protect the endangered butterflies on their home planet. When Disco Egg hatches, don't say I didn't warn you.


    If UtD and TW aren't your speed, Ro is all about Sherlock and some others on Twitter too. Plus cricket. I never knew anything about cricket until Twitter. :-P

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  66. rehabber20 August 2013 at 01:44

    Don't forget his slice of Angel Food cake, Anna in the back seat of Baby..which I was very happy to see. And I think Dean is way more romantic than Sam, he is sweet and gentle with his love making and to me Sam is much rougher.

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  67. CP20 August 2013 at 01:52

    Don't feel bad. I have a flip and I'm not out of college. I don't text and I don't like calling, prefer email, so why get a fancy phone? I figure.

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  68. CP20 August 2013 at 01:56

    Most teen romances, anyway. I know a few people who were dating in high school and married, but I come from a small town state.

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  69. roxi20 August 2013 at 02:42

    Yes, I remember about his one time thing with Anna. My point was, he has obviously had sex with far more women than just two or three, and they have certainly not appeared on the show. And I agree about the tenderness, I prefer that too, actually, that is much hotter to me.

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  70. SuePo20 August 2013 at 03:46

    Teen wolf, huh? Never even considered it but what the hell. I trust your judgement. I do watch Under the Dome, but I'm one of those freaks who actually read the book, so needless to say I'm confused. Half the people are supposed to be dead, and some of the ones who are are still supposed to be alive. And your theory about the egg... I'm not going to ruin anything for you. :))

    I found you on twitter... I think I sent you a message but I have no idea. Look for an orange fish. It's under my name. Hopefully you can find me since I'm apparently not very good at this. :))

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  71. Sarah20 August 2013 at 04:46

    i don't want to be that person, but i am totally going to be that person, and say i PERSONALLY think that the relationship dean has formed with cas could be heading in that direction. now this is just my opinion, i could be entirely wrong, but i'm just saying from what i have season develop over the seasons, especially throughout season 8, has the potential to go somewhere further. will it? maybe not, but i truly think it is at least in some realm of possibility.

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  72. Sarah20 August 2013 at 04:59

    "I actually think that if Dean had a stable love interest, a recurring character who would help him be happy, yet not become his entire life, he would have more of a chance to move into other story lines beyond how broken and alone he is."
    just take a second and think about that will you
    -reoccurring character
    -help him be happy
    -not be his whole life
    isn't there already someone who could quite easily fill that role. logically speaking, i mean.

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  73. Dahne20 August 2013 at 06:13

    I am now following you on Twitter. It's a whole lot of fun to Twitter snark during certain shows. You have just the right humor for it. loved your "jumps in logic" comment. I couldn't have made it through The Following or Revolution without my fellow confused and horrified twitterers.


    I hope you try Teen Wolf. People had been suggesting it to me for over a year but I kept putting it off. Silly name + MTV didn't sound like my thing. But I devoured that series in time to wait for summer episodes to begin. It's my new TV addiction. Ro and I had an hour long discussion about the finale today and it was a blast. I hope you get into it and join us. I'd love to see what you make of certain things. Best yet, the first 2 seasons only had 12 episodes so you're only 36 episodes behind. After SPN, that's a walk in the park. The first 2 seasons are available on Netflix streaming. Season 3 has been the best so far. If you do try it, let me know what you think. Even better let me know when you start watching and I'll try to marathon at the same time.

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  74. roxi20 August 2013 at 14:25

    I was totally against this idea until very recently. I mean, how do you explain a man who has always been straight for 35 years of his life falling in love with a man? That's NOT homophobia , that just logic. But little by little I started to see the strong chemistry between them and yes, it could be just the chemistry of dear friends but, I don't know. I still think overall Dean is straight and if in the end he found a woman who was his true love great but I think I would be happy if something beautiful did develop with Cas also. In a show where the two leads have died and come back a bunch of times, I guess I could buy a strong, true love soul connection between two beings could possibly overcome one's ingrained sexual orientation. But I doubt this will ever happen on SPN.

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  75. ScottA20 August 2013 at 15:41

    You have it right. The fewer things that move, the fewer things that can break.

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  76. CyanaT20 August 2013 at 19:26

    I firmly approve your recommendation of TW to Sue. There's only a few post SPN season premiere shows that have captured my complete attention and TW is one of them. My 20-something daughter raved about it and I was equally leery of some dreadful teen love triangle with a werewolf twist but it's nothing like that. There is abundance of teen angst, of course, but all the characters are truly fleshed out and there's a great balance of the parents, playing their own strong roles. If you have Netflix, Sue, S1 & S2 are on it; I have no idea if they're on Hulu/Hulu Plus since I don't subscribe.

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  77. CP20 August 2013 at 20:49

    More like if I drop it in water it's not expensive to replace and I have less buttons to press to screw it up. lol

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  78. SuePo20 August 2013 at 22:43

    Yeah, the book ending wouldn't play well in the TV version. It did work in the book, but half of the ppl involved in the reveal are either dead or not even inside the dome on the TV version. ( Rusty, Linda's husband, was a central character and on TV he's with the fire dept outside.) and the jump in logic? How in the hell did they come up with "it's almost like opening a lock" simply from putting their hands on an invisible dome?? I was like, huh???

    I'm willing to give TW a whirl!! I don't get Netflix streaming ( need faster Internet!!) but I'll find the DVDs. I need a new show to watch while I run. Done with Banshee and Hell on Wheels so good timing! I need something new. I'll let you know when I pick it up.

    I'm amazed you can watch a show and comment at the same time. I'll need lots of practice to keep up!!!

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  79. Dahne21 August 2013 at 05:10

    I like that the characters are not stereotypes and each engaging in their own way. I find I root for them more than most other shows, similar to the way that I was instantly engaged with the Winchester saga. Teen Wolf might not completely fill the Supernatural void for me but it comes a whole lot closer than any other show.

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  80. Dahne21 August 2013 at 05:20

    Wow, I never would have thought Rusty was important based on the show. I know that Linda is a TV thing too and that Angie goes quickly. I am considering still reading the book even though the ending was spoiled because I would love to see how they compare.


    I started walking with Teen Wolf. It is so fast-paced that it is a good show to exercise with. Season 1 has too much teen romance angst for my taste but the action and humor balance it out well. Glad you are trying it.


    As for Twitter, I cannot always tweet and watch TV at the same time. I learned that with Hannibal, but it seems like most people do their tweeting during commercials or in downtimes in the action. I do tweet more during the hour than most people so tune me out if I am overwhelming. Mostly I tweet on Mondays and Thursdays. Thursday will be all about Burn Notice and Graceland. If you watch Graceland, try tweeting with that one. The producer, Jeff Eastin, often tweets with us and is good at interacting with fan tweets. He does that with White Collar too.

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  81. CyanaT21 August 2013 at 05:32

    I agree. I just watched the TW "Summer Finale" a few hours ago and really enjoyed it. Can't wait for January.

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  82. rehabber21 August 2013 at 12:08

    White Collar used to be my favorite USA series, but last season was very weak, moved Suits to my favorite..

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  83. roxi21 August 2013 at 15:44

    I'm beginning to think that maybe they were both so young that sex wasn't even involved, just puppy love, and that Dean's dalliance is more likely to be the hot female hunter and THIS woman will be Cas's human sexual fling. I'm thinking he should probably be back with them by then. And it would make more sense that Dean would have a romance with someone who is a part of their world, and sounds from the description like she's a lot like a female version of Dean.
    And although I wouldn't object to Dean realizing he has stronger feelings for Cas and something developing there, I highly doubt it will.

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  84. lala221 August 2013 at 18:00

    Yep. Dean was an adult when he met Cassie and had a relationship w/her.

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  85. lala221 August 2013 at 18:34

    Well, Dean was getting close to that girl in ASS. It didn't seem like he was spending time w/any other girls when he was hanging w/that girl.

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  86. Dahne22 August 2013 at 02:37

    Burn Notice and Leverage surpassed White Collar for me last year. They all tended to flip flop in my favorites order. Never could get into Suits because I dislike all the characters.

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  87. Dahne22 August 2013 at 02:38

    Teen Wolf certainly knows how to do a cliffhanger. They have one almost every episode.

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  88. rehabber22 August 2013 at 02:49

    I hate this wait until next year for TW, this has been a great first half.

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  89. Dahne22 August 2013 at 03:42

    I'm not complaining at all. Any other year we would have to wait until summer to see what happens next. This time we only have to wait until January. I can do that.

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  90. CyanaT22 August 2013 at 05:59

    Yup. *Beep* sorta reminds of what Meg said about Crowley in late season 7: "Don't you get it, Crowley's always the problem".

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  91. rehabber22 August 2013 at 12:14

    Since there is nothing I can do to make it faster I can wait also. ;)

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  92. Graydon23 August 2013 at 07:41

    Yeah no, Dean's straight and I'm pretty sure Cas is given his reaction to watching porn and calling Meg a "thorny beauty".

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  93. rehabber23 August 2013 at 11:07

    And if the writers ever go there that will be the last show I watch of SPN.

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  94. roxi23 August 2013 at 22:00

    I did say that it would have to be a real strong soul connection in order to overcome Dean's natural heterosexual orientation. As for Cas, he's always been an angel. I don't think he would be strictly hetero or homo as angels wouldn't have a fixed sexual orientation. I still would love to see Dean have a real romance, not a promise type situation, with a female hunter. But any important story seems unlikely for Dean. So no, I highly doubt that you have to worry about Destiel actually happening.

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  95. Donna C24 August 2013 at 04:17

    Yeah, Amelia showed up evil and we all wished she would die.

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  96. Donna C24 August 2013 at 04:18

    .. Sam is much rougher.


    Maybe that's why all of his chicks go evil or die. He drives them insane or just flatout kills them with his ... *coughs* Leaving now ...

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  97. Donna C24 August 2013 at 04:19

    "Dean was getting close to that girl in ASS."


    I read that as "close to getting that girl *IN* the ASS" ... I was like, "Damn, that must've been in one of those eps I skipped ... " LOL

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  98. Donna C24 August 2013 at 04:22

    Same here. I haven't been impressed with the way it handles 98% of its female characters.

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  99. lala224 August 2013 at 15:48

    Hahahaha!

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  100. Folie-lex25 August 2013 at 06:54

    *nods* The good ones usually die too soon, and the rest are usually written rather badly.... and then those die too.... but they do get to stick around a little longer....


    Thank God for Sheriff Mills. I still have her to hold the banner.

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  101. Graydon26 August 2013 at 05:01

    You can't overcome being straight, nor can you being gay.

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  102. SamualColt183514 September 2013 at 19:21

    People can make the choice to be Bisexual though.

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  103. SamualColt183514 September 2013 at 19:23

    Please try and remember though that even the Synopsis is not really a good guage of what the episode will be about. Anyone remember Lucifer's Sword? I think the network has made more mistakes in regards to that than the writers have ever made.

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  104. SamualColt183514 September 2013 at 19:27

    I really LOVE Burn Notice. One of the most original and fun shows of the past 10 years :)

    It is too bad it is finally coming to an end. I'll need to pick it back up again and start watching it. Since I lost my cable TV I have missed out on a few good shows, so hopefully I'll either buy Burn Notice on DVD or catch it on Netflix or some other subscription service.

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  105. Dahne14 September 2013 at 21:18

    I highly suggest catching up on Burn Notice. It had a down season in there but mostly it was a thrilling ride. Plus the season finale was great which adds to the feeling of completion to the series as a whole. The last 2 seasons were some of the best in my opinion.

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  106. Graydon16 September 2013 at 03:50

    No you can't.

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  107. Jamie Robison6 October 2013 at 15:51

    I love when dean's past womanizing comes back to haunt him. But i do have a question about the series. How come they never have any supernatural creatures that aren't humanoid. Is it too hard to do, and why no good creatures like the foo dog or an opposite of a hell hound, or guardian types. Then again they did have the familiar, but that is the only one i an remember.

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  108. Jamie Robison6 October 2013 at 16:30

    I love the idea too, but they tried that with Jo. Female fan went crazy at the idea of Sam or Dean hooking up with someone (that made them unavailable) and they had to tank of the idea.

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  109. Graydon8 October 2013 at 00:41

    He's not bisexual, there's absolutely zero evidence of it. This Cas and Dean crap simply won't happen.

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  110. April Gunn8 October 2013 at 14:03

    Actually, Dean's behavior since as far back as season two has occasionally suggested that he might be a closet bisexual. Whether he feels or will feel something more than a close friendship for Castiel or not, I would love to see them explore that possibility for Dean's character. There was actually some commentary on the season eight DVD from the writers about seeing that potential as well.


    I'd like to pose a question: I understand why people would say that Dean is not gay, given his past relationships with women. But considering that bisexuality IS a thing that exists and also considering that they've never explicitly stated that he ISN'T bisexual, what evidence do we have that he's not?


    And before anyone says we've never seen him with a guy, I'd like to point out that the closet is also a thing that unfortunately exists, and that Dean has grown up in a pretty homophobic culture.

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  111. Graydon8 October 2013 at 22:26

    I agree with a lot of what you've said, but still unless there are spoilers hinting at it, or the writers have mentioned it, I very highly doubt that it'll happen. Honestly, I'm more irritated by the idea that fans actually want it, because come on why can't two characters just be really close friends without it having to evolve into an romantic relationship. It's the same thing with this Johnlock stuff, there's no indication that either of them is attracted to the other, but once again fans just have to ship it. As for the evidence, hmm how about there's never been any moment where Dean expresses feelings towards Cas or any man that is anything more plutonic.Or how he watches female porn all the time, but never gay porn. Or how he's never stared at another man longingly or inappropriately. The simple fact is nothing backs up this notion that Dean is bisexual, no matter how much some fans want it. (Also this weird slash shipping crap is really, really irritating).

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  112. April Gunn9 October 2013 at 04:30

    ....Dean's never stared at another man longingly or inappropriately? To quote Dean himself..."what show have you been watching?" :P


    No, in all seriousness though...two characters CAN be really close friends without it having to evolve into a romantic relationship. J.D. and Turk from Scrubs is a great example of a bromance. Nick and Hank from Grimm is another one. But there are many moments in canon that suggest there's more to Cas and Dean than just friendship. Maybe not romance in the traditional sense, but something neither of them really have a label for, for sure.


    When I think of relationships similar to Dean and Cas' relationship on the show, there are two that come to mind: Castle and Beckett, and Mulder and Scully. No one thought it was "weird" to ship those couples before they became canon (some people disagreed with it, sure, but no one thought it was WEIRD). So why is it weird to ship Dean and Castiel? The fact of the matter is, if either Castiel or Dean were female and the two characters had the kind of chemistry they currently have on the show, the writers would have written it into an explicit romance a long time ago.


    In fact, the character of Castiel was supposed to die in season four, episode sixteen, and Anna was supposed to perform the function that Castiel currently holds in the story...as well as be Dean's endgame love interest. But there was no chemistry between Anna and Dean, and fan reactions toward Castiel were so positive, that his character ended up living on while Anna's character did not. Castiel is everything Anna was ever supposed to be and more...including the most significant relationship Dean has outside of Sam. Whether you see romance in that or not is up to you, but I don't see why it irritates you so much that some of see the possibility for love in such a close friendship.


    I have to wonder about where you're coming from, to be honest, dude. Maybe you don't mean to come across that way, but "weird slash shipping crap" sounds more like you have some latent homophobia that makes you uncomfortable with the idea of two dudes than anything else.

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  113. Graydon9 October 2013 at 05:55

    I'm not homophobic, I support gay marriage and adoption. I merely hate slash shipping of any kind (not between two guys, ANY character). I wasn't denying that bromances exist, on the contrary they're everywhere where which I love, since they're awesome! What I hate is this idiotic notion that fans of shows like Supernatural have that there's an underlying sexual chemistry between two characters, when there is none. Take Patrick Jane and Lisbon on The Mentalist for example, people ship them, yet the writers have never acknowledged planned romantic chemistry between the two, or Sterek on Teen Wolf. Also Caskett is nothing like Dean and Castiel's relationship, since there was and IS sexual tension in that show, unlike Supernatural which has never hinted towards any with Dean and Cas. What I dislike is when fans start shipping characters who will never get together, and when you disagree with them, they merely say "Dean could be bisexual" or I think you have some latent homophobia." Really? No wonder Supernatural's fandom was voted that most off-putting in that recent USDP. I'm sorry if I've offended you, but I don't call me homophobic, because I'm NOT. But once again, it won't happen. Since, neither of them are gay or bi, despite your well argued points about why it could be possible. Not to mention Cas is getting a female love interest this season.

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  114. rehabber9 October 2013 at 12:00

    I'll start out the way you did..NO CHEMISTRY between Anna and Dean, WHAT show have you been watching? I thought they were HOT together. I don't see Dean acting any different with Cas than he does with Sam. Dean has said Cas was like a brother to him. So should there be romance between Sam & Dean??? HELL NO.

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  115. April Gunn9 October 2013 at 16:32

    Eh, I can only shrug at the first part. You saw chemistry between Anna and Dean? That's awesome, not gonna dispute that. I personally didn't see it. Partly because of the way Dean and Anna first met, I couldn't really see him viewing her as an equal. I honestly found it a bit creepy that they slept together. The situation was just a little too much like a damsel in distress showing the hero her "gratitude," which I've always found to be incredibly off-putting.



    I see Dean acting INCREDIBLY different with Cas than he does with Sam. He's more honest with Cas, more willing to discuss his emotions, less afraid of appearing weak. More importantly, the way Dean acts with regards to Cas' actions TOWARDS Sam is different than anyone else. Do you think Dean would hesitate to end anyone who broke Sam the way Castiel did at the end of season six? And yet Dean grieves for Castiel's death, and grieves differently than he does for Sam. With Sam, Dean's grief springs him to action.


    With Cas, Dean's grief paralyzes him. When Cas comes back, Dean forgives him. Forgiving him for breaking the world is really no big deal; honestly Dean would be a hypocrite if he didn't, all things considered. But forgiving Cas for breaking Sam's head? That's a big freaking deal, and it's forgiveness no one else would EVER get. Dean said it himself at the end of season eight, and asked Sam WHY he should keep forgiving Cas the way he does because even Dean doesn't understand it. Sam just gives him this meaningful "do you really not get this yet?" look and says "Because it's Cas."


    Dean HAS said that Cas was like a brother to him. He's said they're family. Then again, brotherhood and family are really the only meaningful relationships Dean has ever known. He doesn't view his relationships with women that way, even the woman he really loved. Dean pretty much sees people in three categories: civilians (to be protected), soldiers (allies), and family (people he loves).


    This keeps him at a distance from most people he could meet, because they're almost always civilians (people he needs to protect, and people he puts in danger with his very presence). The few hunters (fellow soldiers) he's met, he doesn't feel he can trust. Sam and Dean have been on the outs with hunters for a few years now, for the most part. That leaves family. Dean trusts his family. He loves his family. He sticks with his family, and no one else. He would do anything for them, including die or even sell his soul. Everything comes second to his family, up to and including the lives of everyone else on the planet.


    All of those things describe his relationship with Castiel. So maybe he has an incomplete frame of reference. He has no other word for what he feels for Cas, because the way he loves his brother is the only thing that approaches it.

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  116. Graydon10 October 2013 at 02:13

    Wow, that was really well put. I applaud the eloquence of that. I too actually really enjoy this sort of debate. What you said actually does make a lot of sense, and I really see now why it could theoretically occur. I agree, that if the show ever explored something like this it could be a great way to really explore what bisexuality or pansexuality (are they the same?) really means, and help maybe advance acceptance of it in the media. However, I still personally only see their bond as that of brothers (not opposed to the idea of them, but I still just don't see it, but that's me), but I really do get why someone else, could. But there is one thing, where did you get this notion of homophobia? I don't doubt that it exists in America (hell it's everywhere from the law, religion, politics, media) but were you referring to the hunter lifestyle? Just asking, since I don't see it as a homophobic at all.

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  117. April Gunn10 October 2013 at 05:34

    Generally I ship things because I see potential for the relationship to work and/or be epic story-wise. :P


    As for that notion of homophobia...Supernatural, as far as I can tell, takes place in our world. The way the show is written, it's like it's just a part of our world that most of us never see. And American culture is very homophobic. It's probably not the MOST homophobic country in the world, but it's pretty bad. It's made worse, I think, by this kind of American pioneer "savage ideal" that still exists in a lot of small towns and rural areas. Considering that hunter lifestyle seems to occur mostly IN such areas, it makes sense to me that Dean would have grown up around some of the worst of it. This idea is strengthened by the instances of Dean insulting Sam by implying that he's being "gay." (He uses femininity to insult Sam more often, but he does use the gay label as an insult as well). At the same time, Dean's grown up independent of any kind of large-scale community censure or religious programming, so to some extent he rejects that mindset in practice while still paying occasional lipservice to it, if that makes any sense. As in, Dean doesn't seem to actually have any hatred for gay people, but he DOES seem to be surprised when confronted with a gay couple and he uses "gay" as an insult. So it's a lesser degree of homophobia, I guess, but it's still there.


    No apology necessary. I know it's unfortunately a common belief that all slash shippers are just in it because "HOT BOYS ZOMG" but there are also a good many of us who see real potential there for the characters. Glad I could represent a little for that set. :3


    (And yes, Sam and Dean is messed up to me. Not, weirdly enough, because they're brothers, because I'm all about adults making their own choices even if I don't get it...but because Dean has also been something of a father figure to Sam, the power imbalance in that and all the other dynamics of their relationship...just no. I could never see it as completely consensual and THAT is where I draw the line. All's fair in love and sex as long as all parties are freely and enthusiastically consenting. But if either of those things are even a LITTLE bit not true, I'm out. No thank you.)

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  118. Hellboy17 November 2013 at 00:03

    Budget is kind of an issue, and it kind of goes back to season 1 with the wendigo; Kripke hated how the make-up turned out, and it was really only saved by the lighting. I think the last full on monster make-up they did was for the siren.

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  119. April Gunn8 April 2014 at 05:59

    I know you weren't denying bromances exist. What I don't understand is why some people are so adamant that ONLY bromances exist. Any time two men are close, the people who see it as a bromance are so upset at the notion that other people see something MORE than a bromance there. And they want to know WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE GAY WHY CAN'T ANYTHING JUST BE BROMANCE?! Maybe it's because there's a sad and honestly, incredibly annoying lack of actual, canon LGBT romance in movies and television. Maybe some of us have to use our imaginations a little bit in order to find ANY love stories we can relate to at all. And maybe you should be happy you can turn on the television and see characters like you instead of begrudging those of us who can't our attempts to find something to relate to.

    I can't force you to see something you don't want to see, and I don't want to. I just don't understand why it's so horrible for you that I see something beyond bromance between Dean and Cas, or John and Sherlock. (By the way, speculation on the subtext in THAT relationship goes all the way back to the original Sherlock Holmes stories and can hardly be blamed on Johnlock shippers as if they thought it up somehow, especially since the writers of the latest two iterations absolutely intentionally play that up.)

    Dean COULD be bisexual. In fact, any human being on the face of the planet COULD be bisexual, or gay, or straight, or asexual. The idea that straight is the default, that everything else is a deviation from the default, and that everyone is straight until proven some degree of gay is called heteronormativity, and it's an enabling factor in homophobia. If recognizing that and calling people out on it makes me off-putting, I can live with that. I'm tired of people treating my orientation like an infringement on their enjoyment of life and my attempts to relate to characters on television as though it's ruining it for them. After an entire lifetime of dealing with it, I guarantee you I'm more tired of that than you are of slash shipping. Which, by the way, specifically occurs to same-sex ships, not just any ship that isn't canon (your last post made it seem as though you were iffy on the use of the term).

    Phew. All that being said, I have no idea why anyone would think that Castiel getting a female love interest (or ten female love interests, for that matter) would negate the possibility of his having a male love interest at any point, considering that he's technically an ages-old genderless being in a body that happens to be male, who has said himself that he is utterly indifferent to sexual orientation.

    Like I've said: you don't see it, that's cool. That doesn't mean I should stop hoping or should never be excited about Dean/Cas moments or interactions on the show, or mention it online. Especially when the writers and actors frequently make allusions to the relationship and its possibilities. For example, Misha Collins at a convention meet and greet in 2012:

    "C’mon, in the first few episodes, Dean’s running around Purgatory, chopping off heads, Where’s the angel, where’s the angel, you know, the guy I’m in love with?"

    And after the loud fan reaction of "DEAN DIDN'T SAY THAT!"

    "He might as well have. You know, we know what it is, what’s going on. We don’t talk about it. The actors don’t, Jensen and I don’t. But we’re all perfectly aware of how the relationship is, the writers are completely aware of how it’s being written. It may be unspoken but that doesn't mean it’s not there or not true."

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  120. April Gunn8 April 2014 at 06:08

    People don't choose to be bisexual any more than they choose to be straight or gay. That being said...Dean COULD be bisexual. It wouldn't be that unusual for him not to have mentioned or explored it. I know a lot of people who didn't come out as gay OR bisexual until much later in life due to the social stigma and the persecution they would face. Hunter culture being, as far as I can tell, somewhat based on the small-town American good-old-boy lifestyle, I can't see a guy raised since birth as a hunter feeling particularly comfortable with admitting that or exploring it.


    So yeah...guys...Dean could totally have spent the last 35 years of his life sleeping with women and enjoying it, and still fall in love with a man. It's called closeted bisexuality.

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