really enjoyed all the twists in the cotw. Very happy that we finally got the background on Vic's past and will be addressing that now. Liked that Branch and Walt are working together without the snark that was present during the election. The only bad thing for me was having Walt's lady friend dredge up the notion that there is something between Walt/Vic... I know that they hinted at this early on in the series, it seemed (at least to me unless I completely missed it) that they had abandoned this bit since and kept their relationship very professional and more father/daughter if anything. I hope that they don't go down this route as the last thing this show needs is a romantic triangle/square and I just don't see that between them, unless this is part of the lore in the books which I haven't read..
mag -- yea, that is the novels. Vic and Walt dance around each other for awhile but they end up together by mid series. For the last several books they have been a couple and have been living together. Since it's in the foundation of the characters, it would be bad form to stay away from it in the show.
I really hope they stick Vic/Walt relatioship to father/daughter even if in the books it's different. It's a TV show it's not supposed to be exactly like in the books.
Loved it! Love this whole series! I am really on pins and needles, since A & E hasn't renewed it yet. But then this is the same network that cancelled Nero Wolfe - one of the best ever!
I disagree - gotta stay true to the books. One of the best shows on TV is Game of Thrones -- and it's great because it doesn't vary from the books that much. An example of a show that totally went off the rails is "Dexter" they further they got from the novel, the worse the show got. The author knows these characters best and his blueprint has to be followed -- the difference between a novelist and a TV writer, is the difference between a pro athlete and a college athlete, most TV writers are in television because they don't have the skills to be novelists -- they dream to it, they aspire to it, but writing novels is the big leagues -- it's just the way it is. The source creative mind MUST be respected. As far as father/daughter -- Walt has a daughter, what he needs is someone to share his life with who is thoughtful and introspective like he is... a bit haunted. That's why Vic is perfect for him. People sometimes belong together regardless of barriers. My uncle is 20 years older than my aunt, and they have been married for 50 years -- both their second marriages. The author put those two characters together for a reason. Stray from it and the show will be worse as a result.
Walking Dead is a comic book... so of course the show is going to be better. In terms of writing fiction, your entry level are journalist and comic book writers, you next level are TV script writers, then movie script writers, and then Novelists at the top of the chain.
The show is usually going to be written better than the comic. The movie is usually written better than the TV show. The novel is the pinnacle.
Just to get published as a novelist is an insane amount of work, editing, and dogged discipline. You live in the character's heads for months and months and months. Nothing is comparable to the sheer amount of writing or the difficulty in doing so. A well written novel is about the same as doing at least 5 movie screenplays or about 20 complete TV scripts, or about 100 comic books.
Also, TV scripts, Movie Scripts, and comics all get diluted and suffer from "too many cooks in the kitchen" syndrome, because there are producers, and multiple writers and editors and artists involved in the process -- the characters always get watered down by the way "someone else" wants to write them. This is why the source material in a novel is always pure and is pretty much always better unless it's a hack to begin with. Craig Johnson, who writes those Longmire novels, is an exceptional writer -- he is a solid gold pro. There is no way the show could "strike out" on it's own and be better -- writing TV is all about watering down the story to make it work -- because a truly faithful adaptation would be far beyond the budget of the show. Thus, it's important that you do not compromise in the one area you don't have to... the characters.
Where have you been Zedul ? Missed you over at dexter daily. Did you even watch season 8 ? I would love to hear what you thought of it. Good to know you are still among us. Take care buddy.
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Loved really good case and I love how they'er handling the Vic/Walt thing-if there even is a thing
ReplyDeletereally enjoyed all the twists in the cotw. Very happy that we finally got the background on Vic's past and will be addressing that now. Liked that Branch and Walt are working together without the snark that was present during the election. The only bad thing for me was having Walt's lady friend dredge up the notion that there is something between Walt/Vic... I know that they hinted at this early on in the series, it seemed (at least to me unless I completely missed it) that they had abandoned this bit since and kept their relationship very professional and more father/daughter if anything. I hope that they don't go down this route as the last thing this show needs is a romantic triangle/square and I just don't see that between them, unless this is part of the lore in the books which I haven't read..
ReplyDeletemag -- yea, that is the novels. Vic and Walt dance around each other for awhile but they end up together by mid series. For the last several books they have been a couple and have been living together. Since it's in the foundation of the characters, it would be bad form to stay away from it in the show.
ReplyDeleteI really hope they stick Vic/Walt relatioship to father/daughter even if in the books it's different. It's a TV show it's not supposed to be exactly like in the books.
ReplyDeleteLoved it! Love this whole series! I am really on pins and needles, since A & E hasn't renewed it yet. But then this is the same network that cancelled Nero Wolfe - one of the best ever!
ReplyDeleteWhat's even stranger is that in the books, Cady marries Vic's brother.
ReplyDeleteAwesome episode! So glad they finally revealed Vic's past.
ReplyDeleteYeah. Also I personally think Walt/Vic would be a little weird because of their age differences. Walt is old enough to be Vic's father.
ReplyDeleteI disagree - gotta stay true to the books. One of the best shows on TV is Game of Thrones -- and it's great because it doesn't vary from the books that much. An example of a show that totally went off the rails is "Dexter" they further they got from the novel, the worse the show got. The author knows these characters best and his blueprint has to be followed -- the difference between a novelist and a TV writer, is the difference between a pro athlete and a college athlete, most TV writers are in television because they don't have the skills to be novelists -- they dream to it, they aspire to it, but writing novels is the big leagues -- it's just the way it is. The source creative mind MUST be respected. As far as father/daughter -- Walt has a daughter, what he needs is someone to share his life with who is thoughtful and introspective like he is... a bit haunted. That's why Vic is perfect for him. People sometimes belong together regardless of barriers. My uncle is 20 years older than my aunt, and they have been married for 50 years -- both their second marriages. The author put those two characters together for a reason. Stray from it and the show will be worse as a result.
ReplyDeleteNot so strange if you think about why Walt loves Vic...
ReplyDeleteWalking Dead is a comic book... so of course the show is going to be better. In terms of writing fiction, your entry level are journalist and comic book writers, you next level are TV script writers, then movie script writers, and then Novelists at the top of the chain.
ReplyDeleteThe show is usually going to be written better than the comic.
The movie is usually written better than the TV show.
The novel is the pinnacle.
Just to get published as a novelist is an insane amount of work, editing, and dogged discipline. You live in the character's heads for months and months and months. Nothing is comparable to the sheer amount of writing or the difficulty in doing so. A well written novel is about the same as doing at least 5 movie screenplays or about 20 complete TV scripts, or about 100 comic books.
Also, TV scripts, Movie Scripts, and comics all get diluted and suffer from "too many cooks in the kitchen" syndrome, because there are producers, and multiple writers and editors and artists involved in the process -- the characters always get watered down by the way "someone else" wants to write them. This is why the source material in a novel is always pure and is pretty much always better unless it's a hack to begin with. Craig Johnson, who writes those Longmire novels, is an exceptional writer -- he is a solid gold pro. There is no way the show could "strike out" on it's own and be better -- writing TV is all about watering down the story to make it work -- because a truly faithful adaptation would be far beyond the budget of the show. Thus, it's important that you do not compromise in the one area you don't have to... the characters.
Comic Book > TV Show > Movie > Novel
The Walt's girlfriend stuff was pretty lame, but otherwise not a bad episode.
ReplyDeleteWhere have you been Zedul ? Missed you over at dexter daily. Did you even watch season 8 ? I would love to hear what you thought of it. Good to know you are still among us. Take care buddy.
ReplyDeleteNot necessarily. The Walking Dead has deviated plenty from its source material, and it's doing fine.
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