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Aug 26, 2013

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  1. kiaraAAugust 26, 2013 at 5:59 AM

    Was I hallucinating or did Dex say Hannah he loves her? That was fast. I mean, he needed 30 years to tell Deb he loves her. And it was a response to her saying she loves him.
    Could he really love her? Hannah? I know he said it. And I know he plans them having a future together. But I still think she's manipulating him. She always manipulated people to get what she wanted. I wish I could be sure of her feelings for Dex. Maybe I could accept them as a couple if I could be sure her feelings are real. And, of course, if I could be sure she wouldn't get between Dex and Deb again. Still hate her for that.
    "Serial killers convention?" LOL That's exactly what I thought last week.
    "Aren't you the asshole who turned her in?" Yes, that's him.
    Poor Deb! Not only her brother is a serial killer sleeping with another serial killer, she now has to take in the person that tried to kill her once and drugged her another time? I can't believe Dex is leaving with Hannah, leaving Deb behind. I mean, sure, her life would be way easier without a serial killer as her brother. But he's the one constant in her life. The one person she always could and can rely on. She's not gonna be happy.
    "What the fuck?" I so knew what she was going to say.
    Vogel's son is the killer? That was a twist. Well it's the reason she specialized on sociopaths. Makes sense. And although I understand she wants to believe ha can be saved I have my doubts. He's killed too many times. Dex was taught the code since he was a little kid. Zack only killed once before. This is different.
    Harrison already knows how to lie? Am I the only one finding this concerning?

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  2. CliffAugust 26, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    Didn't he already tell her that he loved her last season?

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  3. joeybwAugust 26, 2013 at 8:21 AM

    Yeah, it was just a "I STILL love you" because he did say it last season

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  4. ShatteredOneAugust 26, 2013 at 8:23 AM

    For some reason I mixed up the spoilery episode descriptions from a few weeks ago so I thought something else would happen at the end of this episode. At any rate, it was a pretty slow episode that mainly just set up the events for the next 3 episodes.


    I came to a conclusion tonight. While all season I've been fearing one of the Morgan siblings wouldn't survive, I've also hoped that it wouldn't happen. Yet now, that fear is becoming bigger and bigger towards the end. So, the conclusion, if it was between Dex, Deb, or Hannah, I'd rather it be Hannah who dies. I mean it'd be nice for Dex to survive, go to Argentina with Harrison and Hannah, but I'd much rather that scenario happened if Deb lived. Please, please let Deb live... although I worry more and more about it.

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  5. kiaraAAugust 26, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    If he did, I probably erased it from my memory.

    I don't like her. I mean, I do, but I hate that she always gets between Dex and Deb.

    Last year they "broke up". I mean they were separated, for the first time in their lives. I'm not saying that it's Hannahs fault, but she certainly had her part in it. And this season: they just started setting things right between them, when Hannah reappeared and in the next ep they were fighting again. She's back for what 2 eps? 3? And Dex and Deb are already breaking apart.

    Although I can't believe Deb actually ate what Hannah served her. Maybe they can get along and they could all go away together. I know, I'm a dreamer. Hannah would never tolerate Deb. She's competition. Dexter loves her (Deb) and Hannah knows it. He already betrayed her once for his sister, she won't risk that again. And I think, Deb wouldn't tolerate Hannah cause she doesn't trust her. Although she might. With time.

    It's horrible they put Dex in a situation like this. That he has to choose between Hannah and Deb. He loves them both. Don't get me wrong, but I can't believe he's willing to chose Hannah over Deb. He killed his brother for her. She killed LaGuerta for him. That is love and trust. And prove how important they are to each other. And Hannah? She's good in bed and knows how to seduce him.

    I hope that in the end he chooses Deb over Hannah. As Vogel said, that Deb would always choose Dex.

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  6. kiaraAAugust 26, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    Makes two of us, honey.
    I'm a dreamer. I still hope, Dex would choose Deb over Hannah and go away with her and Harry.
    I can't believe he's willing to leave Deb for good sex. Well, that proves one thing: serial killer or not, he's just a guy thinking with his dick

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  7. CliffAugust 26, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    We don't know how good in bed she is; all we know is that Dexter is probably not the most experienced lover ;D

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  8. DarthLocke4August 26, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    Yes! Saxon and Vogel parallel Dexter and Brian, hence also the 'brain' & 'Brian' word play! I have been waiting for this double twist for like 5 weeks! XD!!


    I think Deb is the one that caused the riff to begin with, if she would have treated Hannah a little better to begin with, Hannah wouldn't have felt so pressured to poison her. Deb unfortunately has also taken steps last episode that will no doubt put them all in a precarious situation, as Elway and The Marshall are now in the picture...Deb has to take responsibility for her own actions and not continuously blame others for her own mistakes. (The same could be said for Dexter)


    I agree Saxon can not be trusted, even though I can understand how Vogel feels, as Vogel is like Dexter and feels deeper than she perhaps appears to on the surface. To abandoned your own son, is a hard thing to do...

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  9. DarthLocke4August 26, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    I think he picked up a lesson or two from Lila XD

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  10. DarthLocke4August 26, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    But Deb really doesn't choose Dexter, if she doesn't accept whom he is and the decisions he makes. I don't doubt Vogel is a voice of reason and clearly they're referencing back to season 4 (and Rita) here with this 'can't saddle between two worlds' idea, but Vogel herself can't help what she "feels" and it may end up bad for both of them...

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  11. DarthLocke4August 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    I still think Hannah will be the spin off focus along with her taking Harrison, but I think when it comes to Deb and Dexter it's anyone's best guess, but because MCH has already started to move on (Scott Buck: American Dream Machine), it looks like he doesn't want to be apart of said spin-off, at least not in any main focal point, so I think it's likely he either dies or gets caught. As for Deb her comic con comments were so bleak, that as much as I wish her character would end the series pregnant, It also sound like she wants no part of the future of this universe either. :(


    Vogel just made this point harking back to season 4 and even though I hope there is a victory in Dexter's pursuits this time, Deb has made it very hard on everyone by bringing Elway and the Marshall into the picture, because again she made a bad choice, not to say that Hannah probably should have just left, but I think emotions are the thing that are becoming more highlighted and I have a bad feeling that the story may be about how emotions are often not piratical in terms of survival of fittest, which is why Dexter is no longer a "perfect" sociopath and why he and his may not survive the series.

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  12. CliffAugust 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    Yeah, and then he burned her. What an ass!

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  13. DarthLocke4August 26, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    Well she did almost kill Rita's kids. :)

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  14. kiaraAAugust 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    Remember when she started her therapy with Vogel. When she described her dreams (when she kills Dexter instead of LaGuerta) she says, that she felt even worse (after killing Dexter). And Vogel said, that she would always choose him. Or something like that. Not sure about the exact words, but I can look it out, if you want to.
    Well, true. He can't "saddle between two worlds". But a lot changed since Rita and the early seasons. He became more human with the years. 4 or 5 seasons ago he had to fake nearly everything. Now he doesn’t have to fake it any longer. Well, not all of it.
    Exactly. Vogel can't control her emotions. And I think that is what is gonna get her killed. She always seemed so rational to me. Too bad her rational brain is not working right now. I mean, a person that was studying psychopaths and sociopaths for 30 years and more should know that it's too late for her son. Not only he's too old to learn and accept the code, he also killed several times (unlike Zack, for example). And not just here in Miami. What about the time before he got here? I bet his Miami victims weren't his first. He could have killed 100 people or more between his brother and the first Miami victim.

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  15. DarthLocke4August 26, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    I also don't think it's "good sex" alone he's leaving for. He's leaving for a vision of a future of happiness, something he hasn't felt and probably never felt so deeply, as he has with Hannah. I believe he truly loves her. Hannah represent the best parts of the other three women Dexter has had romantic attachments with, so yes, she has sex appeal like Lila, they can work together with out lying to each other like Lumen, and Hannah is nurturing (motherly) like Rita. It's thematically also playing to a 'Trinity'.


    Again I stress it's Deb that has to choose what side she's on. If she cares about Dexter, then she has to try be his friend and support him and not turn around and do something irrational and/or something that she can't control or would really be willing to control. I'm not saying in this case, that Dexter and Hannah are thinking straight either, but Hannah's choice to stay proves some degree of true affection on her part, because honestly she would have a better chance if she would have left already and not stayed in Miami...


    I won't their relationship to improve before the series ends just as much as everyone else, but Hannah IMO is not the problem. It's Dexter and Deb and Saxon and the Marshall that are. Deb and Dexter are being impatient, something Hannah reminded us is virtue in 'adaptation'.

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  16. DarthLocke4August 26, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    Because I think people are irrational, because we feel. -We are "flawed" another thing Hannah pointed out in "Are We There Yet?"...


    You see straight away when I saw Hannah with "orchids" and a lots of sex appeal I automatically thought of the film "Adaptation" (based on the novel "Orchid Thief")...and then a minor character from "Adaptation" played by Jim Beaver ends up also playing Hannah McKay's father. I feel pretty strongly that Hannah will survive for this very reason, because she has what Deb and Dexter do not in order to survive and that is why they have given her this lines about adaptation and survival of fittest...


    I do agree that things have changed since season 4. Season 5 IMO looked very hopeful, but once we got to season six the bigger tragic side of series had reemerged and I feel we have been on a downward spiral since. I hope I'm wrong and one of the Morgan's can survive it or at least have scenes that prove their loyalty to each other (<--which to the latter, I'm fairly confident we will see that), but the tie backs to season 4 are becoming more predominant and we all know how that ended...

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  17. kiaraAAugust 26, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    You can't blame Deb for not accepting a serial killer as her brothers girlfriend. And if
    we remember back, she also had problems accepting Dex as serial killer. And she knew him all her life (or so she thought).
    Besides, there is a difference between Dex and Hannah. He kills only killers after he proves their guilt. Hannah kills to solve problems. Remember the author? I still believe that a lawyer could have prevented his book from being published. And Dex told her he would take care of it. But she had to kill him. She couldn't wait for Dex to solve this without killing. And what about the old lady she worked for? She killed her to get her money and her house.
    That is the difference. And even if you accept that Dex "takes out the trash" as justification, Hannah can't justify her killings. You can't blame Deb for maybe accepting what her brother is doing (killing to save others. Okay, that sounds wrong. Killing to protect is not his motive. But he's not killing innocents.) with what Hannah
    is doing (killing to get what she wants and solve problems).
    Well, I have to agree that Deb is not as good as Dex in covering trails or lead authority on false trails. She's relatively new at this.
    As I posted above, I understand Vogel. But she should know better than to trust a serial killer she knows has killed several times since early childhood. And if you now think "But she's trusting Dex and she's right for doing so". Well, yes. But Dex was raised by the code since he was 7 or 8 and made his first kill at 19 (if I remember correctly). The code became second nature to him. That is the difference between him and Saxon.
    But then again, I don't know if I could betray my son and let Dex kill him. I would
    probably too try to save him

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  18. kiaraAAugust 26, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    Okay, don't get me wrong, but it sounds like Deb has to make all the sacrifices and compromises. She has to accept Hannah as Dex girlfriend, she has to let her go (as in not arresting a killer on the run), she has to say goodbye to Dex so he can run away with a wanted killer … I'm disappointed at Dex that he's expecting all this from Deb. I mean, in S1 he said that if he could love he would love Deb. He killed his brother for her. He was literally willing to give everything for her. And now he chooses Hannah over Deb? At least he should ask Deb to go with them.

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  19. kiaraAAugust 26, 2013 at 4:33 PM

    I hope they
    both survive. Dex and Deb.

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  20. DarthLocke4August 26, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    I agree it's a lot to expect, but If Debra wouldn't have gone to Elway and he to the Marshall (which was Debra's suggestion), then none of this would be expected of her. Debra brought this on herself, because she didn't take Vogel's advice and think before she acted...

    At the end Deb will try and go with them. :)

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  21. DarthLocke4August 26, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    I can blame her somewhat if she allegedly can accept her brother as a serial killer. It's hypocritical to not then try to understand Hannah, especially since she has two under her own belt.


    Debs animosity is pure jealousy, not that Hannah is killer. It's the relationship Hannah has with Dexter that Deb hates, because she wants it to be the one. Deb has animosity towards sexual appealing younger women, She hated Lila (but there was truth to Deb's argument there -but Lila was not a serial killer), she treated Christina Hill appallingly (which was a secondary contributing factor to Christina's death), there was another young women she was certain was guilty of something that she also treated bad (and it turned out Deb was wrong), and even in this episode she showed little respect for Nikki, despite Nikki's ignorance, and of course she hasn't always been nice to Jamie either (and she just gave Cassie some pretty bad advice about sticking with Olivier Saxon)

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  22. Jordana33August 26, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    Deb going to Elway wasn't necessarily the "wrong" thing, especially because she really believed that Hannah had come back to hurt both of them and thought Dexter wasn't thinking clearly. She changed her mind after Hannah convinced her that she loved Dexter. This is why I've never see her actions as trying to take something away from Dexter, they've been more about protecting him. And I can hardly blame her for ignoring the advice of Vogel, who seems slightly off herself. If the tables were turned, and Deb had started dating a known killer that she had put in jail, I'm pretty sure that Dexter would have done something even more drastic to protect her.


    I'm really hoping that Hannah is sincere about Dexter, but I'm still not 100% certain that she isn't up to something. It's just hard to believe that she wouldn't be angry about Dexter turning her in. But I'm guessing that's where the writers are hoping that we suspend our disbelief...

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  23. DarthLocke4August 26, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    No, because she never thinks how this will hurt Dexter. She's thinking how it could hurt her chances with Dexter (romantically-emotionally.). She refuses to think of half of humanity as human beings...granted I will say that it has to be hard on Deb in the sense that Dexter just worked so hard to save Debra's life and repair their relationship and now he's willing to just leave her behind...but I still say it never had to be this way, if Debra could just that Hannah is person and maybe has reason,to be the way she is, just like she and Dexter do. Debra often lacks empathy for other people.


    At the beginning of the season she pushed Dexter away for something she did to herself and now she decides when he might be happy again that she wants him back. It like what they say, Misery loves company.

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  24. kiaraAAugust 26, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    How do you know she'll leave with them?

    And well, guess you could see it like she brought it on herself. Then again, she did what she thought was right. Bring a killer behind bars. Can you blame her? Hannah tried to kill her before. And she drugged her just a few eps ago. So I don't blame. But I agree: thinking before acting.

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  25. kiaraAAugust 26, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    She did had some hard times accepting Dex as a killer. But at the end I think she accepted that his was is sometimes the only way to stop a killer.
    I too think that she is driven by jealousy. In both ways. As a woman loving a man (if we assume that she still is IN love with Dexter) and as a sister loving her brother. The question is, which one bothers her more. I think it's more the sister/brother part. Besides the 6 months between S7 and S8 they were never separated. They were always together, always relying on each other. Now a blonde serial killer shows up and takes him away.

    I think she had problems with Lila, cause Dexter broke up with Rita for her. Deb liked Rita. She brought them together.

    I don't think her problems with Jamie had something to do with Jealousy.
    And she gave Cassie the advice to stay away from Dex, cause he's a serial killer. I'm sure she wouldn't have brought Dex and Rita together if she would have known back then. Just a guess.

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  26. DarthLocke4August 26, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    Well I didn't say she'll leave with them, but I know she wants to leave with them, just as I know they want to leave, but I don't know if they will actually leave....(I know certain things from spoilers)

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  27. Vito LuisAugust 27, 2013 at 1:19 AM

    This show used to be amazing......really sad that THIS is how they decide to end it all. Go watch the first episode and last episode of season 1 and compare it to this.

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  28. DarthLocke4August 27, 2013 at 2:32 AM

    "I don't think her problems with Jamie had something to do with Jealousy. And she gave Cassie the advice to stay away from Dex, cause he's a serial killer. I'm sure she wouldn't have brought Dex and Rita together if she would have known back then. Just a guess."


    Even though Dex is serial killer and Deb thought she was doing the right thing, Deb is just in no position to give advice, because so many times she doesn't think about other possible outcomes. She doesn't consider the fact that she has been in love with two serial killers who are borther (Brian, Dexter), a person a little too fascinated with serial killers (Sal Price), and was being helped by someone who endorses and helps serial killers (Dr. Vogel), and someone who has killed unnecessarily twice (LaGuerts, El Sapo) making her on the way to being one herself, as a flaw in any respect!!


    I think another reason Deb was ok with Rita was because she thought she was happy and was still pretty far removed in admitting her own feelings for Dexter, but still she didn't pick someone young and/or sexually vibrant, proving that she subconsciously had a problem with, as she has always been anti-feminine. (wearing a dress makes her feel like a transvestite).

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  29. kiaraAAugust 27, 2013 at 7:19 AM

    Well, yes. She was in love with two killers. But she didn't know. Now that she does, I'm sure she's not happy about it. Unfortunately you can't chose who you love. Or do you think that she loved them because they were killers? She didn't know. She fell for Brian cause he was like Dexter (as we learned thru her therapy in S6): distant, had secrets, … And her feelings for Dex came because they had such a close relationship since childhood. They were there for each other.

    You know what I miss? A nice talk. Dex and Deb never talked about Brian. Or the fact that he was Dex brother. I think fans would like a talk like that.
    Have you read the books? I haven't. I wonder if they talk about it in the books.

    As I said, she had no idea Brian and Dex were killers when she fell in love with them. Sal was an author. The reason he wrote about the killer couple was cause he hoped it would sell because it's a real story. I think. I imagine that some authors, writing about true crimes, are fascinated with the killers, the violence, … But some write about it, cause it probably sales better than fiction. Can't argue with the Vogel part. On the other side, she's the best (actually the only) therapist for them since she knows the truth. I somehow can't imagine Deb going to the same therapist she visited in S6 and saying "My brother who I was/am in love with turned out to be a serial killer, just like his brother and I killed my boss for him. Can you help me?" "Being helped by someone who endorses and helps serial killers" well, she specialized on serial killers. If you're sick, you go to the dr. who's specialized on that field. I mean, if you have toothache, you won't do to a dermatologists, right?

    Interesting point of view. Never considered it. Never thought, she brought Dex and Rita together cause she (Rita) weren't young and sexy. Rita was thru hell with her husband and I thought, Deb brought them together cause Dex was a good and decent guy. No drinking, no drugs, he would never hit a woman, …

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  30. omabinAugust 27, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    I know people were expecting something different for the final season but I am really digging what they are doing this year, I feel it's very compelling. Nothing was a major shocker in this episode, but it was still very good, and I am very interested in knowing how will Dexter deal emotionally with Vogel's betrayal. Also, the Deb-Hannah dinner scene was hilarious. PS: Major Juliet flashback everytime I heard the "Make Your Own Kind of Music" song, god I miss Lost

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  31. omabinAugust 27, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    I have also been saying since the beginning of the season that I do not see both Morgans to live. But I don't think killing Hannah would be enough to spare one of them. I seriously doubt both survive, regardless of how it's done and who else dies. Unfortunately.

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  32. omabinAugust 27, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    I could never envision a spin off in which MCH is a major part. That would just be Dexter IMO.

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  33. omabinAugust 27, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Wow, you've nailed in terms of Hannah reuniting the qualities of all three previous women from Dexter's life. Well said.

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  34. DarthLocke4August 27, 2013 at 3:53 PM

    Agreed. The narrative and story, the discussions between the characters, and the way the plots and really everyone's emotions have been dancing around themselves I think has been most interesting and really nicely tying back to seasons 1,2, and 4, as this is the time for the writers to tell us what it is we should be thinking about in terms of what the series means.


    And ya the LOSTie in me still has me realing too every time I hear the song! XD

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  35. DarthLocke4August 27, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    Yep. I was just trying to explain that to my mom the other day. That unless it's a prequel or really far in the future, they would have to find a way to at least temporarily seal MCH off in order for the spin off to work, otherwise it's just Dexter season 9...

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  36. DarthLocke4August 27, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    Yes because she's not willing to put her brother behind bars or herself. All the characters are doing what they FEEL is right and that's a big problem right now....

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  37. LockeUpAugust 28, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    The "Make Your Own Kind Of Music" intro was the Season 2 intro of Lost with Desmond in the hatch.

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  38. DarthLocke4August 28, 2013 at 11:14 PM

    I think all of the references to the song related to Desmond if I remember correctly.

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