Someone’s got
a secret on
Supernatural,
and it’s a
major one.
When the CW series returns Tuesday, Oct. 15, the Winchesters will have to band together like never before to deal with the aftermath of Metatron’s actions in Heaven, not to mention handling Crowley and his ilk.
But all of that may prove difficult when a key piece of intel threatens to pull the brothers apart.
Read more at TVLine
When the CW series returns Tuesday, Oct. 15, the Winchesters will have to band together like never before to deal with the aftermath of Metatron’s actions in Heaven, not to mention handling Crowley and his ilk.
But all of that may prove difficult when a key piece of intel threatens to pull the brothers apart.
Read more at TVLine
A secret, oh joy.
ReplyDeleteHa! Brother rift in t-minus 6 episodes. Enjoy!
ReplyDeleteoh good gosh. And Crowley's still around. sigh.
ReplyDeleteWell we do know that we're going to see Castiel getting potty-trained, so that should make up for the continued brother drama. I mean..... what moe can one ask!
ReplyDeleteThey've all been very hush-hush this tear; either that's just caution or maybe it's because they writers haven't a clue yet.
I prefer to think of it as learning from their mistakes in last year's ComicCon fiasco.
ReplyDeleteAgreed.; and if i trusted these writers i would admire that silence but as I don't, I fear for the ideas they are cooking up.
ReplyDeleteMy take on it
ReplyDelete-In the season premier Sam is still sick and by the second episode he's all better so something happens in that time to 'cure him' or at least naturally help him get better
-Dean is either instrimental in that in that he somehow is directly resposible for whatever has 'cured' Sam or he finds out somehow and decides not to tell Sam. He just wanted Sam to live.
-Dean deciding not to tell Sam becuase he doesnt want to burst Sam's bubble, as Sam thinks he's pure now or at the very least purer than any other time in his life (comes back to the whole freak thing)?
-Sam will slowly start to go through some interesting changes according to JC that will probably clue him in that something isnt right and then the shit will hit the fan
-Sam off course will be pissed for obvious and justifiable reasons but I agree with Jared in that I hope and well I'm pretty confident Sam will get over it quickly as he's understand that Dean just wanted Sam to live. Also like he said Sam is alive due to the secret even if he possibly is forever transformed into something else.
Some people have guessed that Sam will transform into an angel I'm starting to agree with this
The spoilers all sounds really good to me, the season sounds interesting to me and I dont mind the brother conflict because this time it seems more entwined with the actually storyline of the season, tying the brothers to the mythology whereas in season 7 and 8 it felt forced.
Call me crazy but beating the Lucifer, chance to close the gates to hell.... they're setting a pretty high bar for any series finale.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I'll be interested in seeing and be a little disappointed if I don't, how guilty will both Sam and Dean feel about not closing the gates of hell. We're talking about a pretty epic feat there. a sacrifice up there biblically speaking with a guy prominently featured in the New Testament.
ReplyDeleteDo you know what I think it's gonna happen? Sam becoming an angel. Talk about being an angel in a world of fallen ones. This could completely tie the brothers with the mytharc. Besides, they are setting up Castiel to experiment being a human so later he has to make a choice: stay human or become angel again. And I think Castiel is gonna choose the last one and somehow he is gonna take Sam's "grace" or something, making Sam human again in the process.
ReplyDeleteThis angel diea is interesting, but I don't think it's a straight up angel transformation. Remember that angel that fell into the water near them? What if Dean takes some of it's blood or grace, and does a "reverse YED" and gives Sam some of it. And it slowly turns Sam into a new thing altogether - the angelic version of a PsyKid.
ReplyDeleteThat gives Sam powers again, and the writers more stories for him. And now one of the brothers has the power Cas had, so they keep Cas depowered, and it's Sam who can heal, smite etc. It's a pretty elegant answer to the way they've been backdooring the brothers lately.
(Soup!Nazi to Dean: No Story for you!)
Jensen says in one interview that Dean doesn't always think things through all the way and then says it's a 'band aid' that he's put on the situation...referring to Sam. So it sounds like Dean is desperate to help Sam, them jumps into something to 'fix' Sam, without seeing all the consequences and eventually having the band aid peel off. Evidently whatever it is, happens at the end of the season premiere, so we'll find out pretty quickly what Dean did.
ReplyDeleteNow, Jared sounds over the moon about it, saying he's not been this excited for a season in forever (we know how high energy he is)...but of course he can't spill the beans on what heals Sam since Carver and crew didn't let the cat out of the bag on that one. Which I'm glad for. Can't have too many spoilers...ruins things if you know it all in advance.
I can't sub to the Sam will be an angel idea. Some were talking about it last year, but I never saw it then, and can't picture it here either. To me, personally, it doesn't make much sense.
But I am absolutely loving what I'm hearing so far about S9. Sounds awesome...esp for an old show. Few shows go this long, but to have one that can breath life into itself and keep going strongly and that the actors still get excited about...that's pretty special. There's a comic con video with Mark Sheppard to that affect somewhere out there, a press room interview where he talks about the show's longevity and kudos to the J's.
It was said that Dean regards the bunker as home while Sam regards it as a work-place; this could mean that once the secret Dean is keeping from Sam is revealed, Sam will get mad and would move out of the bunker, angry with Dean. Ho-hum. Been there, done that, and as far as we know poor Dean doesn't get to do anything. He will probably have to baby-sit Castiel. What a waste of a terrific bad-ass character.
ReplyDeleteI see that you are optimistic but I didn't get anything interesting out of Comic-Con; just more of the same; secondary characers all the way, and I wouldn't be surprised if Sam's big secret turns out like his Amelia story -line did; very under-par.(
I'm starting to fear Sam will be turning into an angel. I really didn't want that kind of story for him, though I hope it's something interesting. I just hope it's not that. I'd prefer to have Dean linked to the angel storyline.
ReplyDeleteNah, with demons and angry angels roaming the earth, Sam won't be leaving anywhere. Not unless he's got a death wish. And I don't think Jared would be so psyched for boring storyline.
ReplyDeleteI just love this show and I can't help but be excited that its still on the air and still going strong. :)
Yes, you're right. Dean never gets to do anything interesting. He never got to kill Dick Roman after PROMISING to do that very thing and carrying through with it. He never got to kill Eve, he never killed Zachariah, he never killed Yellow Eyes. He seems to have missed saving the world quite a bit too. All major plot points to his character and how it is depicted.
ReplyDeleteNo offense but I disagree with you. Dean is portrayed as a very strong positive male lead, with vices, imperfections & his totally co-dependent relationship with his younger brother. This is what the show is about. There will always be conflict with the brothers ( & Supernatural fandom ) I fail to see why leave a negative comment? Not questioning the right, merely the substance.
The foundation of them being brothers & big brother taking care of small brother is a well known historically & mythologically based relationship. Cain & Abel. Except these 2 characters are written with the writers take on these older stories.
I don't really know where you're coming from here ,I was commenting on what was said at comic-con where no-one seemed to mention any kind of action for Dean in the upcoming year. I was not referring to past seasons.
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I agree completely with what you say about Dean, his character and his relationship with his brother, which I love and for me is the heart of this show; and with the concept of big/little brothers, I was not referring to any of that.
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On the contrary, what I don't like is that there has to be on-going conflict between the brothers, as that has already been presented in every way possible; especially now as they have angels to fight as well as demons.
It would be nice to see them as a united front against evil, having each other's back and defeating the bad guys, not having more tension between them.because of secret-keeping and of not being completely honest with each other.
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For me these writers made a mess of season eight, were careless of past canon, had plots that went nowhere and had very few episodes which I liked.
Basing myself on that and on the fact that the same writers and showrunners are still there, plus the overabundance of boring angels I can only feel more negative than positive about the upcoming season.
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As for past seasons, I enjoyed all of seasons 1-7 except for a few odd episodes and so I have nothing but positivity about them.
I love that you are so positive. :)
ReplyDeleteHowever i know what I like, and it's the Winchesters and their story. That's what I watch for.
Call me nostalgic but two brothers, one Impala, some classic rock and an open road is what i love about this show. The rest is only background music.
I love the earlier seasons too but we can never get that back. Supernatural changed when Eric introduced the angels in season 4 and made Sam the demon/dark/wrong/ brother and it is a label Sam has been carrying ever since .
ReplyDeleteI have not expected the show to drastically change each brother in how they are written after 9 yrs . Has much has I would love for plain ordinary good old human Sam to be explored they are not really going to do that even when they had that chance last season with Sam's normal/Amelia sl we didn't really get much except I ran and my world imploded He doesnt even see the MOL Bunker has a home which is tragic in many ways but is now back to changes within him to make a freak feel even more of one.
The show is set up a certain way now .
So we know that Jared is very excited about what's in store for Sam this season. From that K-Site interview he says, "And specifically this season, I’m so excited about it. I am more excited for
ReplyDeletewhat I get to do with Sam in this season than I’ve been, ever." And good for Jared. But what about Jensen and Dean? What kind of journey of discovery will Dean be going on this season? I read through articles and watched vids, and there seems to be NOTHING regarding a storyline for Dean. I don't get it.
Cas has to learn all these things about being human and how to deal with all these fallen angels now on earth, so that's his storyline. Sam is the one who can heal demons, and he's got this super-exciting storyline about the massive changes happening to him. So, why is it that Jensen had absolutely nothing to talk about regarding his own character's journey this season? Well, other than driving the car. Yes I remember Jensen did mention that. *sigh*
I agree with you about how you feel in some ways. I do not think the fans give the writers credit for the correct things they do. In my opinion the episode Taxi Driver was great. S8 was not so bad, although it seemed to lack a certain amount of Meta episodes.
ReplyDeleteInsofar as they already explained in S6 why things changed. Namely AFTER the Apocalypse that various Supernatural beings like Werewolves had changed and that since they chose freewill over destiny it changed the fabric of reality. So based on that I can forgive and even understand why there are Rogue Reapers now.
Purgatory was already stated to be separate from Hell but very close too, so going through that Rabbit Hole didn't bother me as much as it did some people.
I would honestly take ANYTHING that is released information wise with a grain of salt. Remember Lucifer's Sword? It was an error by the network and it seems that these tidbits are merely that, tidbits that always change drastically when the episode actually airs.
As for Sam possibly becoming an Angel? I absolutely LOVE that. I can forgive him NOT looking for Dean simply because the sheer amount of torture the writers ( God ) have put him through.
Being altered as a child to become Lucifer's true vessel, dying and going to Heaven the 1st time when Dean made the crossroads deal. Becoming Lucifer's vessel, having his soul spend 1000 years or more in the Cage in Hell time. Coming back, having his soul reinserted, plus the other myriad ways he has changed as an individual. Dean being the grown up big brother taking care of the young brother echoes the choices they made that Lucifer and Michael never could. If Dean takes care of Sam I can understand that.
In real life I never had a big brother, but if I did I would want it to be someone that would watch out for his family, as long as he didn't sell his ( Or my ) soul to resurrect me ;)
Actually isleofskye I did want to ask you one thing about Dean from the show in general. What is your most enjoyable Dean related event? My favorite was when he told Dick Roman that he was coming for him, and not just to hunt him but to kill him, and then carrying through on that promise. NOW that was BADASS. Plus killing the Whore of Babylon, and last but not least. When he killed Zachariah, as he did so he looked straight into Zachariah's eyes and the Holy Light did not harm him, confirming that he was a true servant of God.
Have a good evening!
Well we are taking what the writers said at Comic-Con as gospel, when most of that they have to skirt along the does of truth so as not to give away too much information. I would take that with a grain of salt since it was mentioned and depicted on screen that Sam likes the research.
ReplyDeleteDean did mention the power they have now and all the information they were not privy to earlier in the show with the Men of Letters Bunker. I loved how casually Dean picked up the Spear of Destiny and didn't even know what it was :)
Honestly from a film makers perspective, the biggest change NO ONE ever mentions about the show is that during S3 the cinematography changed which depicts what light the show is shown in. It lost that gritty visual imagery that was present in S1-S2. If you watch the earlier seasons watch for the grittiness versus what it looked like in S3. That was the only change that really disturbed me. It looked more realistic and less like a CW TV show.
Dean said it best, that with the knowledge they have now, the Men of Letters Bunker, the ability to cure demons that they are in a much better place than they were 9 years ago. I view this as a positive.
ReplyDeleteWell... that's rather... unoriginal... for SPN....
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. Pardon, I just didn't think it was right to entirely jump the gun on a negative conclusion just because the info coming out of Comic-Con was a tad light on Dean related stuff.
ReplyDeleteAs for the canon parts, I do not think that there was that large of a problem last year. Unlike most of the fandom I was pleasantly surprised by Taxi Driver. If there was no explanation for a rogue reaper I offer the explanation that was offered in S6.
That since the apocalypse was averted that the very nature of Supernatural beings has changed, like the Werewolves & such. As for the backdoor to Purgatory it was mentioned they were next to Hell so it isn't that far of a stretch to go down the rabbit hole so to speak :)
I believe or would like to that Sam is healed by the grace of an Angel. If he were to slowly over the course of the season turn into an Angel it would be fitting. Since Lucifer was a fallen Angel and Sam suffered the equivalent of 1000 years of torture in the cage by Lucifer & Michael. Because the show at it's very core is about the brothers, Sam being cursed as the vessel of Lucifer and dean, the older brother beholden by his father to help his brother through the curse and to lead him down the right path. I have no problem if Dean takes care of Sam. personally I never had a big brother, I always wanted one and it would be cool to have one look out for you like that. So I'm a bit easier on the writers and how Dean is portrayed.
I love the family aspect to their story and even if at times Sam and Dean do take their relationship to extremes like selling their souls for one another, I can understand that perfectly given the life they have led; coming to know about a world of monsters since they were children and having to even fight and kill them, so the fact that they have come to depend so exclusively on each other is perfectly normal, in my opinion.
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I have to say that Dean ( and Sam) are in threatening mode and out for revenge are sone of my favourite moments.
I like all the events you have listedabout Dean, but I have to add the time he threatened to kill all the Benders while he was tied up was epic, and also when he pulled a gun on Gordon Walker and then tied him up and punched him.
Then what about when he was a vampire and took out the whole nest, finishing up with his foot on his head.
There are so many episodes with bad-ass Dean. :)
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This woiuld be a good poll for Dahne to do. Best threatening moments!
As for Dean's eyes turning blue when he killed Zachariah, and being callled heaven's weapon when he killed the whore, always puzzled me too.
I thought for sure Dean would have been part angel or something which would have contrasted nicely with Sam's demon blood, but they never went anywhere with that, at least up until now. :)
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As for season eiight, I stand by my opinion that it was a bad season, at least for me.
It's normal that we all see things from a diferent viewpoint, you enjoyed Taxi
Driver, but I thought it was terrible, canon wise, I mean.
It made getting into Purgatory and Hell look so easy that it denied all the suffering and pain the brothers had gone through before,in trying to get in and out.
It made hell look like a cozy condominium, and the fact that Bobby was there, nice and peaceful, while Sam and Dean had been tortured mercilessly made me laugh.
Then what do they torture Bobby with; visions of Sam and Dean we're told. What about his own wife and the painful childhood memories we got to see in Death's Door?
Bobby had killed his dad, so he was not an innocent soul.
I won't go on for there is just too much that was wrong with that ep for me, but I suppose if you watch it without worrying about these things, it's enjoyable enough.
Even if the world has changed since the Apocalypse, some rules must be respected, otherwise the story just become chaos
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As for Sam,not looking, it may be canon now, but I ignore it completely. For me there is no doubt that Sam, based on his past history would have at least tried to find his brother, So for me he looked; it's the writers who got it all wrong! :)
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Even if the world has changed since the Apocalypse, some rules must be respected, otherwise the story just become chaos
I have never seen Sam as the dark wrong brother, but as an innocent soul who was sold to Azazel before he was born.
ReplyDeleteSam has always tried to do the right thing. Perhaps it didn't always come out as he had anticipated, but for me he is intrinsically good and I admire him even more for managing to battle on with the burden he carries and all he has been through.
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I agree that the early seasons can never come back, but really nothing has happened to change the basis of the show.
Theoretically, there's no reason they can't have a story-line that gives us the brothers back on the road, saving lives and killing evil.
There's nothing written on stone that says they have to stay in the bunker.
As for the angels, do the brothers really care about what goes on in Heaven?
Castiel is there for the angels to relate to; maybe he could turn into a hunter of angels!
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I don't know if you see it the same way, but I see the brothers as a team and while I enjoy them having a night out with the girls, for me their lives are too complicated and full of past baggage to ever have a normal life and quite honestly i would not want that for them.
It would be so boring compared to hunting and I don't think Sam wants it now either, despite the not-looking and the Amelia thing.
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Yes, it would be nice to get more on Sam' s thoughts and feelings, especially for the start of season eight; "my world imploded" is no explanation for not looking for his brother, so the writers failed miserably here.
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As for Sam not seeing the bunker as home; that sounds bad to me because it could mean that his 'real' home is elsewhere, not in the bunker with Dean and I want the brothers to be good with each other, and not the writers making Sam go off and leave.
When I first look at it I think of Dean trying to figure a way of fixing Sam. But-regardless, I believe this secret is with Dean, whether he's participating in trial thingy or something else (lets Crowley loose for good intentions?).
ReplyDeleteIt is hard to picture Sam having a secret this time round, but you never know.
This is interesting even though it sounds dreadful but its a unexpected suspense :)