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Jul 23, 2013

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92 comments:

  1. Patrick MaloneyJuly 23, 2013 at 4:13 AM

    Head busting time!

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  2. DahneJuly 23, 2013 at 5:13 AM

    Mostly it was boring. In fact it felt like just another show. At first I thought that there must be extra commercials but then I realized it was because we were a third of the way through and nothing had happened yet. One of the reasons why I love Teen Wolf is its hyperactive pace. This time I played Free Cell halfway through the episode. That NEVER happens with Teen Wolf, other shows - yes, but not Teen Wolf.

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  3. NiceGuyVanJuly 23, 2013 at 6:34 AM

    well knowing it was gonna be a flashback episode with different actor for Derek, i prepared myself. basically viewed the young kid as Derek, and yea i didn't mind it felt the pain for the old Derek just the same.





    It was funny how both Narrators were were telling half truths. Uncle didn't mind much but still was like come on they know u are bad already just tell the truth. while the Gramps that fool just lies like its in his nature lol.





    the 4 episode Promo at the end was nice, i c we will see lots of awesome.

    Episode 9 next will be the reveal of Lydia secret.
    and on words more goodness.

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  4. DahneJuly 23, 2013 at 7:01 AM

    The promo was the best thing about the episode for me. Future awesome is assured.

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  5. Rabia SalvatoreJuly 23, 2013 at 7:02 AM

    The episode pace was pretty slow but flashback episodes pretty much are like that. I enjoyed it and want to know more about Peter and Derek's past, Gerard is still a psycho so we didn't learn much there except that he was the one that blinded Deucalion. What I am most looking forward do is the Sterek scene they are setting up of Stiles talking to Derek about the whole situation to get the 'real truth' and all. Stiles and Scott have a great friendship but Stiles and Derek is an epic bromance.

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  6. Milan PavicicJuly 23, 2013 at 7:19 AM

    Episode may have been slow and not like others but you have to keep in mind it was necessary for the advancement of the plotline.

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  7. Cor MalumJuly 23, 2013 at 7:30 AM

    Everybody has been thinking Stiles will eventually lose his virginity to Lydia. After watching this episode, I think Cora might be the one, though.

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  8. InvestedInYourFutureJuly 23, 2013 at 7:52 AM

    Well, congrats Teen Wolf, you just told us an entire backstory in a way that makes us not sure which parts of it are true...


    Telling a flashback through not one but TWO unreliable narrators is brilliant choice.



    Brilliance aside, I sure hope we will have details on what is going on soon. AS brilliant as mystery is, knowing nothing 7 episodes in is dangerous and hopefully the pay-off is worth it.

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  9. prpleightJuly 23, 2013 at 8:21 AM

    I really really liked episode. I have to say I loved the Paige and Derek meeting scene…a case where the sound track made the scene better.


    What was most fun was having Peter and Grandpa tell the stories. Kinda liked that we got the truth. Definitely proof that leopards don't change their spots.

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  10. prpleightJuly 23, 2013 at 8:22 AM

    I was primed for the change of pace so my expectations were well set. In addition, I love soap operas....I was glued to the screen.

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  11. prpleightJuly 23, 2013 at 8:23 AM

    Loved Scott's threat to Gramps at the end. Don't recall him eve seeming so dangerous.

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  12. prpleightJuly 23, 2013 at 8:25 AM

    My biggest problem with the promo was that it was for the "last 4 eps" and this ep was included. Two things....(1) that means...sad face...there are only 3 eps left and (2) if you're going to show me a promo for "upcoming eps" don't load it with clips from the ep I ****JUST WATCHED****

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  13. prpleightJuly 23, 2013 at 8:25 AM

    I would almost consider becoming a 'shipper for that one. Cool idea!

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  14. NiceGuyVanJuly 23, 2013 at 8:27 AM

    yup, now hope he starts taking more charge like that and become the true alpha.

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  15. DahneJuly 23, 2013 at 8:27 AM

    That would be the big difference then. I hate soap operas and teen soap operas are just as bad as adults.

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  16. DahneJuly 23, 2013 at 8:27 AM

    That was awesome. I was hoping we would see him release some of the disease back into Gerard as well. He deserved it, but I'm not sure if werewolves have that trick yet.

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  17. DahneJuly 23, 2013 at 8:29 AM

    You make a very valid point. It's like my pet peeve of when a show recaps in the middle of the same episode.

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  18. DahneJuly 23, 2013 at 8:31 AM

    I disagree. This is Teen Wolf. In any other episode we would have gotten the same information in one third the time, leaving plenty of time to actually get answers to the current problem, have 2-3 fight scenes, a twist and even room for a wacky Coach scene.

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  19. Folie-lexJuly 23, 2013 at 9:01 AM

    Mama Hale: AWESOME! More of that badassery please! (and Duke totally had the hots for her!)



    Also Gerard sucks.... I mean I've always know it but I mean after this? He really sucks.
    If Duke and Ennis come off as the sympathetic parties in that story you KNOW who's the true evil villain monster in the Teen Wolf Universe (and boy did I feel for both of those guys... I genuinely got their pain and anger)!

    Only Chris and Allison are decent hunter human beings.


    Good on Scott and Stiles not really trusting either of their narrators.


    Cora/Stiles: not gonna lie... I might ship it...


    Derek/Paige: I do ship it! Poor Derek. No wonder he's so closed off... I still think there's more to that story. (and I'm not 100% sure Paige isn't Ms.Blake but we'll see... I do think there's more to that too.)


    Ms.Morell is my #1 Darach candidate. And I'm not 100% sure Deaton is as innocent or unaware of that fact as he might seem.

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  20. Cory SkeltonJuly 23, 2013 at 9:12 AM

    Actually there ARE four episodes left, 12 in each half of the season, this was ep 8, so 4 more. :)

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  21. Cory SkeltonJuly 23, 2013 at 9:14 AM

    This is an example of how Teen Wolf can do character development in a great way, the episode may have been slow paced but it was easily one of the very best of the season, and I found myself very interested the whole episode. Loved young Derek too.

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  22. MasterWhoJuly 23, 2013 at 10:01 AM

    I think it would have been better if they wouldn't have cut back from the flashbacks. They could have filled in the flashback with normal teen wolf stuff.

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  23. Ereth ReetnithJuly 23, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    did anybody else get the feeling that Gerard Argent's been trying to provoke the wolves, corner them and bait them into a general outright war with hunters so he can commit genocide without any other hunter objecting? like, maybe that's y the showy cutting people in half and leaving them hanging, that's y he blinded Deucalion but let him leave while blaming him for the death of the hunters present at that meet, like maybe he specifically targeted the Hales, told Kate to go find a way to kill them all cuz he wanted Talia out of the way cuz she was someone the other alphas respected, came to ask advice from and Talia kept a balance, was discreet and far to clever to fall into a situation that would lead to a widespread wolf vs. hunter war. The man is a serial killer with ambitions of becoming a mass murderer and totally psychotic!

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  24. FredaJuly 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    I don't think that Deucalion is really interested in having Derek on his team (I don't think he would mind either.). There have been some comments in this season where Deucalion has made reference that he is here to kill Scott (possibly before Scott kills him) and Derek is just the tool he wants to use to do that. Concur about Morrell.

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  25. FredaJuly 23, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    Do you mean the actress that played Derek's mom in the flashbacks or the actress that plays his younger sister in present time?


    PS The cello is awesome!

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  26. CarrigonJuly 23, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    I was disappointed with the ep because I thought Kate was Derek's big love that ruined him. So I thought this would be about Kate and Derek. Adding yet another girl we've never seen before was just weird. Also adding that both stories were probably full of half truths, for me, makes the ep a waste of time. It's not my favorite ep. The only thing I liked was the part about shapeshifters and Druids and Derek's mother. And I'm a big Peter fan.

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  27. Milan PavicicJuly 23, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    Was it just me or did Dereks blue eyes seem a bit darker than Peters? Also what's his game? I mean why encourage Paiges transformation? And what about Mama Hale will we see more of her through flashbacks or?

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  28. sat3303July 23, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Cora/Stiles: See that ship possibly forming. I'm still a Lydia/Styles shipper but I can do Cora/Stiles. Even more if it makes Lydia a bit jealous and want Stiles.

    Derek/Paige: I ship them... I hope she's not some evil person that will break Derek heart.

    Hoping to see more of Mama Hale & would be nice if she's still alive being Cora was found alive.

    Hoping Chris is the one to kill Gerard. He's so untrustworthy & constantly lying.

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  29. sat3303July 23, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    I like the episode. I thought the girl was Kate. I too thought Kate was Derek big love & was expecting her to be Kate.



    I like the part of Derek's mother


    I don't care what story Peter tells... true or false... I'm glad to see a lot of him

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  30. DahneJuly 23, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    Agreed. They are doing all kinds of flashback experiments this season but I don't think any of them have been successful for them so far.

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  31. DahneJuly 23, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    I agree that Deucalion is basically indifferent to Derek in his pursuit of Scott. He will use what he can to meet his agenda. In this way, Gerard made Duke exactly like himself. Morrell is my #1 also and has been since we heard of the serial killer. That of course means that she won't be it. :-P

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  32. DahneJuly 23, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    Didn't Peter say Paige is dead and Derek killed her. I know that on genre TV people can always come back but it seems pretty clear that Derek did kill her to stop her pain. As long as Gerard dies and it is not Allison who kills him, I will be happy.

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  33. DahneJuly 23, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    I totally agree. Gerard was definitely making plans to wipe out all the werewolves there by killing the hunters at the meeting. No doubt he used it to rile up the other hunters. It's just like Deucalion killing Ennis and making his pack think that he died from the fight with Derek. They are using the situation to create a revenge mindset in their people. I would be interested to hear how that turned out actually. Did the alphas flee at that point or was there a big battle? Also is did Duke convince the others that are currently in his pack to kill their betas and gain power after he did or did it just happen? Lots of good questions still left unanswered.

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  34. DahneJuly 23, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    Derek's mom rocked! She was a great addition to the story and i liked Peter's manipulative take on the story too. Still like you I liked getting answers to how druids are connected to all this best. Plus we got confirmation that Deaton and his sister are indeed druids.

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  35. Folie-lexJuly 23, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    I believe Duke came for Derek, but found Scott instead. It was him noticing Scott's "true nature" after his arrival that shifted his interest from one to the other.

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  36. Folie-lexJuly 23, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    Key phrase "Peter said"....
    (I love the character, but I don't trust him any further than I can throw him...)

    And yes we did see and hear Derek break her neck, but I'm still not 100% sure that's all to that story... That she knew about Derek, that the bite didn't take... I wouldn't be surprised if she turned out to be Lydia-like immune.

    Peter could have taken her to Deaton and Talia, Paige could have come too, Talia could have taken her memories and just sent her off... and Talia maintaining the lie, and keeping Paige and Derek apart in that way might have been her way of trying to keep them both safe.



    And if she IS Jennifer, then all the weird stuff that has been happening around her, her constant references to therapy and trauma, talking about how faking's one's death is a good exit strategy, her being so accepting of Derek and their fast connection (even if she doesn't remember him), everything would compute.

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  37. Folie-lexJuly 23, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    Honesty? I'd be fine if Chris killed his dad, but he's my second choice.


    I think Deucaulion has earned the right to that... that was LOW on Gerard's part and he does need to pay for all the crap he's pulled.

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  38. Folie-lexJuly 23, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    *nods* Definitely got that feeling.

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  39. Folie-lexJuly 23, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    Gerard is the true monster of this story.

    Much like Kate -probably under Gerard's influence- being the reason behind really pushing Peter (a man clearly on the brink of crazy to begin with) into that complete state of psychopathic, when she burned his family and pack alive, it was he himself, ALL ON HIS OWN, who managed to turn a sane, reasonable, well mannered pacifist into a sociopathic, power hungry, extremist & fanatic killer (which is a waaaaay bigger leap than getting Peter to go all nutso BTW... well done grandpapa Argent....)



    And DO NOT get me started on all his hypocrisy about how the supernatural is evil unless he's in control of it!
    I could go on for HOURS!

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  40. Folie-lexJuly 23, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    KAY! Crazy spec time!

    All the sacrifices part of a ritual to resurrect Talia so she can help out with the war...
    (might explain that female hand rising from the dirt in the credits...)

    And it's either Deaton or Ms.Morell or BOTH of them who are behind it all the killings.

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  41. rehabberJuly 23, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    I liked the young Derek, but again "Krissy" left a lot to be desired. I thought it was fast moving and enjoyed the two different versions with a lot left out of each telling. Just a thought, maybe instead of playing free cell you should have been watching the show to get more out of it. ;)

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  42. sat3303July 23, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    sorry... meant to say the teacher Ms. Blake

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  43. DahneJuly 23, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    Ah, I get it. Thanks for the clarification. I think Blake knows a lot more than she is saying but I'm not sure if that means she's Darach or not. She's #2 on my list right now. Definitely agree about Gerard though. He needs to die this season with no possibility of recurring.

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  44. DahneJuly 23, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    Not only am I capable of watching a show and playing Free Cell (I'm multitalented :-P) but I obviously could not Free Cell in the two rewatches it takes to write the recap. It hasn't gotten any less boring in those. As a matter of fact it is worse. The pace is so slow that even 15 minutes into the show the only significant action was the opening scene with Teen Derek running in the woods. By that time in a regular Teen Wolf episode, we'd have had a fight, a comedy scene, a twist, and some few werewolf gymnastics at least. Compared to regular Teen Wolf, nothing happened in this episode. Now compared to most other TV shows, it was the same mix of talk to action - 90% talk, 10% action.

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  45. InvestedInYourFutureJuly 23, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    I really hate the the sexism going on in this season. Jeff Davis just fridged YET ANOTHER WOMAN to forward male character.

    That's what? 3 female and 2 POC characters dead?

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  46. sat3303July 23, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    interesting... is this a true spoiler or a guess?



    I'm hoping it's not Deaton.... but his sister, I don't trust. She's very confusing to me. It's someone we've seen before because the teacher told that person he did everything he could to help them & that they still needed him.

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  47. Cor MalumJuly 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Your accusation of sexism is a little far-fetched, considering the Argents are organized in a matriarchy and the most powerful and respected wolf was Derek's mother, don't you think? You would have a better chance at proving racism than sexism, I think. Although I don't see that yet, either.

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  48. InvestedInYourFutureJuly 23, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    Argents are organized at matriarchy yet every matriarch is dead and through all three seasons it has been a MALE who is in charge. I was half-okay with it since Allison did get quite a lot of empowering storylines.



    But in this case we have we have yet another female character who is fridged to give us some man-angst, which is impossible to understand since Derek already has enough ,man-angst from the whole family fire.



    First they fridged the girl in first episode, then they fridged Erica to give Boyd and Derek angst and now they introduced a female character just to kill it for more man-angst. Sorry if I have the problem with that, but female characters existing solely to give angst for male characters IS sexist.

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  49. DahneJuly 23, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    InvestedInYourFuture accuses most shows of sexism or misogyny at some point.

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  50. rehabberJuly 23, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    LOL, as many things as you keep on your plate, you would have to be "multitalented". Did we finish the favorite writers poll? If so who won? Having a senior moment. ;)

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  51. DahneJuly 23, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    Yep they are all finished. Instead of having all writers go against each other we polled favorite episodes from each of the major writers so there were a lot of episode winners. I have round 3 of quote polls ready and waiting for a break in both the polls and other SPN info coming out. It seems like whenever we don't have a Fav Show poll, we do have a new article everyone's talking about instead. Starting production again will do that. :-)

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  52. Cor MalumJuly 23, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    Well the only other alternative would have been to make Derek gay then, wouldn't it? That way they could have killed off his lover without offending you...I guess. Try to remember that this is just a story. Any story that is totally 100% politically correct would be deadly boring. Just as long as it doeesn't get totally off-balance, I'm ok with it.

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  53. InvestedInYourFutureJuly 23, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    More like - I do not see the reason for this storyline - everything in this would have worked exactly the same without the girl being there. The Derek and The Girl storyline felt unnecessary and did not contribute to deucalion plot that much. Remove it - nothing changes, Derek still becomes a social outcast after the fire and Deucalion still gets blinded.



    The only reason that sub-plot exists, the only reason that female character was introduced and killed off, is to give some angst for Derek, which in on itself feels unnecessary.


    As for the whole "this is just a story" - everything in fiction is just a story. But that "just a story" is also a reflection of real world problems and ideas. That "just a story" is written by real world humans with preferences and ideologies. And that "just a story" usually reflects upon those ideologies and portrays various relatable real world ideologies and themes through itself, because of that.



    I don't think political correct-ness affects story in any way or form. Sure it can feel forced, but that's more of a writing shortcoming if that were the case and Teen Wolf has sufficiently good writers. There's nothing to be gained from offensive material like that. (note that I am talking in of how narrative handles it, not how characters handle it, as introducing a sexist character is entirely okay as long as narrative deals with it properly)



    For the whole "off-balance thing"?
    This season they:
    - Killed off a female character in the opener episode. The said female also happened to be a person of color.
    - Off-screen fridged Erica in very disrespectful way for her character, in order to give some angst for Derek and to satisfy the sexist parts of fanbase who were angry at that character in previous season and flamed Jeff Davis about it.

    - Introduced a female character and "sacrificed" her just to give Stiles some angst.
    - Killed off a lesbian.

    - Introduced and killed off a female love interest for Derek, solely to give off an emotional response about Derek.



    Hmm, most of them are female, aren't they? ANd most of those cases were used to propel male characters forward, weren't they? And it has been just 9 episodes out of 20-something so far....

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  54. FredaJuly 23, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    I would love to see Talia come back - hope you are right about the sacrifices thing. :)

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  55. Cor MalumJuly 23, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    Hmmm...Are you really sure Paige is dead? Besides, they've killed off a lot of guys as well. And teacher Harris did not exactly come across as an example of masculine superiority as he begged for his life, did he?

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  56. FredaJuly 23, 2013 at 10:56 PM

    I don't think that is the case. At the very end of the first episode, you have Deucalion and the girl who was looking for Scott talking.

    Girl: "Because I know something . . . I know that you are afraid of him."

    Deucalion: "Of a teenage boy?"

    Girl: "Of the man that he'll become."

    Deucalion: "I am aware of a potential threat. But then someone taught me of a very smart way to deal with a potential threat . . . get someone else to do it for you."

    Girl: "Derek"

    Deucalion: *smiles and kills girl*

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  57. FredaJuly 23, 2013 at 10:59 PM

    Watching the background story, do you think that Peter was reasonable and well-mannered originally? Completely agree that losing his family and himself for such a long time made him nutso. But I get the impression that he always was untrustworthy.

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  58. Jill St. CyrJuly 23, 2013 at 11:05 PM

    this idea of Deaton doing it to bring back Talia is intriguing to me... and the producers like making us crazy. :P

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  59. InvestedInYourFutureJuly 23, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    "but the other side suffered too" does not work when we are talking about privilege.

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  60. Lilith HellfireJuly 23, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    Two unreliable narrators? Jeff just loves messing with us. But I hope I'm not the only one who didn't take this episode at face value. This was about Peter not Derek. And they still managed to beat around the bush about the age question to boot. Flashback episodes are usually ones I look forward to but this episode was slightly off in pacing, plus no Lydia or Isaac. But seriously how did Chris turn out so well with a dad like Gerrad?

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  61. Arianne GarciaJuly 24, 2013 at 12:16 AM

    No. No. No. Guys you misunderstood the story. Peter wanted Derek to be the protagonist of his story. It wasn't Derek who lost that girl, it was Peter. Peter explained why he he became the man he is now. Rewatch the episode, you'll see I'm right. Also a lot of theories around net are available in one click. All of them say this.

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  62. rehabberJuly 24, 2013 at 1:23 AM

    OK, that is why I did not think it was over, did not go against each other..to bad. lol

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  63. rehabberJuly 24, 2013 at 1:26 AM

    You said that Dracula was a limited series, how many eps is it supposed to be?

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  64. DahneJuly 24, 2013 at 1:31 AM

    10 episodes I believe.

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  65. DahneJuly 24, 2013 at 1:32 AM

    It is over for me, but I'm sure a writer contest next summer wouldn't hurt. Go for it.

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  66. DahneJuly 24, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    I think Peter was manipulative from the beginning. He was jockeying for power and messing with Derek from the beginning.

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  67. DahneJuly 24, 2013 at 1:43 AM

    Agreed. It seems like Duke's mission from the first was to remove Scott as a potential threat to his power. I wonder if Morell told him about Scott and that's why they came to be honest. It seems to me that he wanted Derek to join the pack simply to get him to take out Scott. Even now, he seems to hope that by killing one of his own betas Derek will get bloodthirsty for the extra power boost it gives. Duke's fallback plan seems to be to make Scott "impure" for lack of a better word by having Scott take someone else's life.


    I am beginning to think that beta blood is an addiction that turns you half mad and craving more. The only thing that doesn't make sense though is why they are turning randoms into betas just so they can kill them. I wonder if it is because new betas don't have enough power to be of interest to them.

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  68. rehabberJuly 24, 2013 at 1:52 AM

    thanks

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  69. rehabberJuly 24, 2013 at 1:55 AM

    It is so long between favorite series polls, can't you stick one in.

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  70. FredaJuly 24, 2013 at 3:29 AM

    I had assumed that the girl who died in the first episode was one of their betas and they always planned on killing her. There is no evidence to support this claim, but until the writers gives us a reason as to why she was there and how she knew about Scott and Deucalion . . .


    I don't think it is ever addressed, but Derek didn't turn Scott - so would killing him have the same effect as say killing Boyd or Issac? Or do alphas absorb the power of any beta they kill?

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  71. Folie-lexJuly 24, 2013 at 5:20 AM

    Pure speculation. But I think there's some interesting details that could back up the theory...
    Also Scott's persistence that Deaton can't be involved is a little too persistent, and being proven wrong on that would be an interesting twist. He's always belittling Derek from not making good decisions, and putting all his faith and trust on Deaton and then have HIM be the one who's behind it all could be an interesting journey for Scott.

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  72. Folie-lexJuly 24, 2013 at 5:21 AM

    True that! Though as I said I haven't landed purely on it being Alan... Ms.Morell on her own or both the siblings working together on this are still viable options.

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  73. Folie-lexJuly 24, 2013 at 5:27 AM

    Consider this: when that exchange happened, we have nearly 3 months unaccounted for... that Duke might heard about Scott from Erica and Boyd, and assessed Scott as a threat in that period of time, is not out of the question.

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  74. Folie-lexJuly 24, 2013 at 5:32 AM

    But seriously how did Chris turn out so well with a dad like Gerrad?


    That is such a good question!!!
    I guess with them being a matriarchal family, maybe his mother was the sane one?

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  75. Folie-lexJuly 24, 2013 at 5:45 AM

    Okay so clearly I should punctuate more.... smaller sentences usually work better. Not your fault for not getting my point.

    So, to clarify:

    No Peter was not reasonable and well mannered. If anything, his role in the flashback story just proved that losing his family and pack the way he did, was a much bigger boost that what he might have needed to lose it his mind completely.

    The "sane, reasonable, well mannered pacifist" and "sociopathic, power hungry, extremist & fanatic killer" were supposed to reference Duke.
    Before Gerrard used the parlay as a trap and took Duke's eyes, Deucaulion seemed like the most composed and level headed alpha after Talia.

    The comparison was in the Duke/Gerrard situation, what Gerard did, how it affected Duke was a much bigger leap because of Duke's personality and composure. And that is all on Gerard.
    Whereas , in the Kate/Peter situation it seemed Peter was a much more unstable case, so him losing after the fire incident it wasn't that big a shock.

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  76. Folie-lexJuly 24, 2013 at 5:49 AM

    Peter was a dick.... I still love him but he was a complete and total jerk.


    Having said that I do think he did and still does care about his family and his pack. He just has an odd way of showing it. You know with the "killing them if he believes he has to" thing...


    I am looking forward to see him fight and actively get involved from those bits in the rest os the S3 reel.

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  77. Lilith HellfireJuly 24, 2013 at 6:09 AM

    I don't know, I think Gerrad's wife might have kicked the bucket early or something... they haven't talked about her, not that I recall anyway. Gerrad is the root of all evil in Teen Wolf, wouldn't be surprised if he killed Stiles mom somehow at this point.
    Chris better get his head in the game and soon and somebody please tell Papa Stilenski what's going on ASAP (ps: I know it's coming just not soon enough).

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  78. DahneJuly 24, 2013 at 6:58 AM

    I really wish we got more info or time with Mysterious Motorcycle Lady. She was awesome. I keep hoping they will bring her up again. Now that I think about it, maybe she's Darach. It would be a complete shock and if it is true that Darach was in the premiere, she fits. Hmm, I think I need to rework my recap now.

    I'm assuming that the beta has to be of your pack to get their energy because each of the alpha leaders killed their own betas. They didn't kill the other ones. Also, then it would make more sense for them to be going around killing as many werewolves as they could instead of hanging out in Beacon Hills for months.

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  79. prpleightJuly 24, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    Hmm, Mysterious Motorcycle Lady struck me as a Druid rather than a beta. I think it was the imprint she left on Allison and Lydia's arms. It seems more 'spell work' than wolf work.


    As for the absorption I've been using the Highlander Quickening analogy...the older the beta is the more power the alpha gets when they kill them. Duke's first kill was his second...which could mean a pretty strong beta.

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  80. prpleightJuly 24, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    That is a really interesting approach to the episode.

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  81. prpleightJuly 24, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    The older woman that turned into a wolf. Is she not the alpha that was killed by Peter (season 1) just before Derek returned in the pilot? I thought that was his sister. Apparently, I'm confused. But the actress that played her is someone whose work I've enjoyed every time I've seen her on screen.

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  82. Cor MalumJuly 24, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    Hey Invested, maybe you should go watch the new sneak preview on this site. But then again, a kickass Alison goes againsty your theory, doesn't it? ;-)

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  83. Folie-lexJuly 24, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    wouldn't be surprised if he killed Stiles mom somehow at this point.

    HA! Truth? Me neither....



    Back on topic: You're right, they've never really mentioned Chris's mother, I'm just mentioning in terms of show mythology, his mother should have been a pretty prominent figure in the family.

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  84. FredaJuly 24, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    Derek's mom is the wolf in this episode. The alpha that was killed by Peter in season 1 was his older sister, but I am not sure that we ever see her (can't remember...)

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  85. FredaJuly 24, 2013 at 10:58 PM

    Interesting. I could definitely that that as a possibility too. I hope that the writers don't leave it as a loose thread.

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  86. FredaJuly 24, 2013 at 11:00 PM

    Lol That would be crazy if she was the Darach - I wouldn't throw anything past the writers as dead doesn't really mean dead in this series. They brought back Peter.

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  87. Sarah van BinnebekeJuly 24, 2013 at 11:02 PM

    I liked the episode it was cute, calm tempo a bit edgy.
    But i do have a lot of questions i would like other people's opinon on.
    Every time scott eased gerard's pain i was scared he was taking gerard's sickness away or that he was accidentaly poisening himself.
    peter has to have known something about scott would be special or else i think it's strange scott has the potential to be an ''all powerfull'' alpha if he was bitten at random (by peter).
    With peter spying on derek and maybe others i'm wondering if he saw something that says my feeling about derek and scott being related or maybe half-brothers is not just in my head.
    I am wondering if his mother took derek's memeries about what he did to his girlfriend away?
    Could it be that ducalion is actualy trying to ''train'' scott to be the new alpha the other alpha's look up to, so actually working for the greater good? (but in a verry sh*tty way).
    My english sucks sorry about that. Ik kom uit nederland:P

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  88. DahneJuly 25, 2013 at 12:34 AM

    She is currently #8 on my suspect list. I would love if Duke just thought he killed her but her druid powers left her alive.

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  89. DahneJuly 25, 2013 at 12:37 AM

    I think the Highlander theory is limited here because it would make more sense for them to kill Derek and his pack than do these roundabout schemes.

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  90. prpleightJuly 25, 2013 at 1:52 AM

    I was applying the analogy in a very limited sense. In general, I've decided that trying to apply too much logic to this is dangerous. The whole alpha pack plan would fall apart pretty quickly.

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  91. DahneJuly 29, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    Derek's older sister was the one who put the robe on Derek's mom. There was casting news about it a few months ago although at that time I figured she would have a bigger part.

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  92. DahneJuly 29, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    I also got nervous when Scott took away Grandpa Evil's pain. The idea of a well grandpa, or even one only slightly sick, makes me very nervous. You know he has to be planning something.


    I don't know if Peter knew something about Scott or not. For me it felt like a bit of opportunity. I feel like if Stiles had been in the woods alone, he would have bit him instead. I don't see Peter purposely biting someone who could be a major challenge to him in the future, more that he wanted to increase his strength by amassing a pack.


    I really hope Derek and Scott and NOT related. That moves way too much into soap opera territory.


    Interesting idea about Deucalion. We are seeing him from other people's points-of-view so it could be. I have a feeling that he is more straight up though and he wants to take Scott out because he perceives him as a threat to his power.


    Your English is impressive. Don't worry about it. SpoilerTV has a lot of people who comment that do not speak English as their first language.

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