Well things were certainly divided with the writers' polls. Raelle Tucker was definitely preferred more than Buckner & Ross-Lemming, who got their share of unflattering comments. Today may be a smaller dose of that since Adam Glass has his fair share of detractors too. For Raelle Tucker, the most popular episode was What is and What Should Never Be with 43% of the votes. Faith came in second (27%). No other episode even came close. For Buckner and Ross-Lemming, it was a race between season 8 episodes A Little Slice of Kevin (30%) and Taxi Driver (25%). In third was Of Grave Importance with (16%). Tomorrow will end our writer polls with current show runner Jeremy Carver, who for me made a much better writer. Choosing one in that poll ought to be difficult for most people.
Poll Notes:
John Shiban wrote Dead Man's Blood with Cathryn Humphris. All others have solo writing credit.
Adam Glass has solo writing credit on all of his episodes.
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I have to go about these polls in different ways today just like yesterday. I love roughly half of what Shiban wrote. The rest are in my middling to flat out terrible rankings. He may be the writer I am most split on. Hook Man had the hideous Lori, The Benders had a great line but ho hum plot, Everybody Loves a Clown was a disaster but mostly because it followed the vastly superior In My Time of Dying, and Dead Man's Blood added vampires to SPN, something I have yet to forgive. However Skin and Scarecrow are two of the best episodes in season 1. Skin had the fabulous introduction of shape shifters, great lines, great brother scenes, and a good PiP in Rebecca Warren. Also it took place in my hometown so bonus points. Scarecrow has a scary villain, a better study of why humans are always worse than monsters, the classic "apple pie" line, and the brothers coming to better terms after a rough patch. It's the middle of the best trifecta Supernatural has ever done. Croatoan was sheer mytharc magic. It has everything - action, humor, drama, mytharc, good brother scenes. There is little that would have improved Croatoan. Tall Tales was SPN's first great comedy episode and it introduced one of the fandom's favorite characters…The Trickster/Gabriel. Who can forget slow dancing aliens? Folsom Prison Blues had a great twist with the brothers there to help the prison guard. It also had some of the best lines in season 2. It's a sheer joy to rewatch. In the end, my vote goes to Croatoan but there are a lot of great episodes in this one.
ReplyDeleteAdam Glass is more about weeding out the bad to get to the decent. So out goes All Dogs Go to Heaven (one of the most universally panned episodes of season 6), Defending Your Life (another boring god episode), Adventures in Babysitting (which saddled us with Krissy), Party On Garth (by far the best Garth episode and it still pretty much sucks), Southern Comfort (possible the worst Garth episode….Bobby substitute, yeah right), and Freaks and Geeks (although Krissy vastly improved in this one). That leaves 2.5 Men, Like a Virgin, Mommy Dearest, and As Time Goes By. 2.5 Men had Baby getting untarped so score there. It also had some good lines about babies but it was pretty forgettable. Like a Virgin had Sam back resouled and the fabulous brother hug. It also had the greatest physical comedy the show has ever had….Dean vs. the sword in the rock. It also introduced Dr. Visyak, who was one of my favorite new characters in season 6. Mommy Dearest brought Samantha Smith as Mary (well Eve Mary) back to us and that's usually a good thing. I loved that the made Dean smart again and Crowley was confirmed to be alive still. There were some great brother scenes and fabulous quotes.
As Time Goes By should win this poll easily but for me the best part didn't actually happen in this episode. The brothers getting a new home base was awesome. Henry not so much. I did like Abaddon even though canon-wise she's more than sketchy. Basically the whole episode felt like it was setting up everything to come next instead of being a full-fledged episode itself…but for season 8 that was pretty good. For now, it's a tie for me between Like a Virgin and Mommy Dearest. I'll have to mull it over a little more.
How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters quotes: This episode is majorly undervalued in the fandom. It's one of the funniest episodes of Supernatural plus gave us good dramatic moments while moving the mytharc along. Plus it has one of my favorite lines of all. Plus Ranger Rick is in my top 10 people who died too soon list.
ReplyDelete20. Bobby: "Well I'm taking a page out of Frank Devereaux's bible on this. Everybody's out to get you? Paranoia is just plain common sense."
19. Dean: "If I wasn't so chilled out right now, I would puke."
18. Sam: "High end camper: TV, AC, Wi-Fi. Back to nature, zero inconvenience." Bobby: "That's idiotic." Sam: "Yeah, some people just don't know how to live."
17. Bobby: "Now you get a case of the Anne Sextons, something's gonna come up behind you and rip your fool head off. Now you find your reasons to get back in the game. I don't care if it's love or spite or a 10 dollar bet. I've been to enough funerals. I mean it, you die before me and I'll kill you." Dean: "We need to scrape some money together, get you a condo or something."
16. Dean: "Alright well, let's check its Hulk pants for some id. Oh that is just gonna ruin the leather."
15. Bobby: "Bunch of birds shoved up inside each other. Shouldn't play God like that." Dean: "Hey don't look at me sideways from that…that Chinese geezer salad there okay? This is awesome, like the perfect storm of your top three edible birds."
14. Bobby: "A glamper or two is one thing, but you've got to be damn hungry to eat a cat's head."
13. Dean: "Whoa where'd you get that mother?" Bobby: "It's on loan from Frank's Big Brother collection."
12. Bobby: "Well I'll be a squirrel in a skirt. It's Dick frigging Roman."
11. Sam: "Dean, there are at least 4 leviathans out there. We don't even know how to kill one." Dean: "Well it'll be quite a shock when we walk in through the front door won't it?"
10. Dean: "Are you kidding? I'm fine. I…I actually feel great, the best I've felt in a couple of months. Cas? Black goo? I don't even care anymore, and you know what's even better? I don't care that I don't care. I just want my damn slammer back."
9. Rick: "Tell you this though, you've got to respect Mother Nature. You respect her or she's gonna string you up and she'll eat your a** right through the Gore-Tex."
8. Brandon: "Sidewinder soup and salad combo goes to Big Bird, TDK slammer to Ken Doll, and a little heart smart for creepy uncle."
7. Dean: "This is stupid. My sandwich didn't do anything."
6. Roman: "Winning bid at auction. Beautiful…known for their peerless sighting. I imagine you appreciate guns." Bobby: "I'd appreciate one right about now."
5. Roman: "Sam, that is not how we communicate from a place of yes."
4. Dean: "Oh Bobby don't…don't go all Sigmund Freud on me right now okay? I just got drugged by a sandwich."
3. Dean: "You're talking about Bambi man." Bobby: "You don't shoot Bambi jacka**. You shoot Bambi's mother."
2. Bobby: "Well isn't this cozy?" Sam: "Yeah well Motel 6 just ain't leaving the light on anymore."
1. Dean: "I think you p** off my sandwich."
Death's Door quotes: Possibly the best written episode of them all. This was a fabulous character piece and the greatest character send off Supernatural has ever had. Too bad they had to ruin that with Ghost Bobby one episode later. This was so powerful.
ReplyDelete15. Bobby: "Hey, you did what you had to do. This is where you learn that…they pretty much never say thanks when you save them."
14. Dean: "Survival is the only criteria alright, and when the cr** hits the fan, it's not about who has skill. It's about who's the bigger bada**. Bobby, will you please tell Sam that Chuck Norris could kick Jet Li's a**."
13. Rufus: "I'll be a prima ballerina. Wait, wait Bobby, are you telling me I'm just one of your better memories?"
12. Bobby: "Ain't that deep, dad was a mean drunk. I figured I's be just like him, and hey look…I was right. No sense passing on the legacy." Rufus: "Man you're too hard on yourself. You're more of a cranky drunk. You do know that whatever you're trying to avoid with the eye rolls and the grump-a-lumping…that's exactly where you need to go."
11. Bobby: "Something bad's about to happen." Dean: "Yeah well danger's kind of on the W2. That's why we've got the guns."
10. Dean: "Listen to me, I'm gonna say this once. He's not gonna die. It's one bullet. He's gonna be fine because he's always fine." Man: "I apologize." Dean: "Why are you talking to me like he's gonna die, huh? I do my job. Do your jobs! Save him!"
9. Rufus: "You know for a guy who'd rather break his wife's heart than give her a baby, you make a hell of a nanny."
8. Bobby: "Last memory huh? Glad I saved the best for last."
7. Bobby: "No, will you listen to me, you SoB? There's a damn reaper coming for me." Rufus: "There's a damn reaper coming for all of us, Bobby. Alright, let's put this damn ghost to bed. I've got plans for Purim."
6. Dean: "Well I guess we found Phil." Bobby: "Wait a minute. Something's not right here." Dean: "Yeah no kidding Bobby. There's a corpse in a tree."
5. Rufus: "Alright, alright, I saw a hallway…uh, plaid carpet…uh, the apartment building from when I was a kid." Bobby: "And?" Rufus: "And I wanted out. I'm not dying on no damn plaid carpet. No thank you."
4. Roman: "Come on, Dean. I can't be killed." Dean: "You're gonna wish you could then." Roman: "That's some conviction. You'd really crush it on the motivational circuit." Dean: "You're either laughing because you're scared or you're laughing because you're stupid. I'll see you soon, Dick."
3. Bobby: "Idjits."
2. Bobby: "Uh huh, well as fate would have it, I adopted two boys and they grew up great. They grew up heroes, so you can go to hell."
1. Reaper: "Bobby…you've helped. You got handed a small, unremarkable life and you did something with it. Most men like you die of liver disease, watching Barney Miller reruns. You've done enough, believe me." Bobby: "I don't care." Reaper: "Why?" Bobby: "Because they're my boys."
very hard to decide for both polls, the first because i love most of those episode and the second because i don't really care either way about most of those episodes.
ReplyDeletefor Shiban i went with tall tales. i love all things trickster and this episode is just amazing, funny and all round awesome. from his list i also love scarecrow, skin, everybody loves a clown, croatoan and folsolm prison blues (oh how i gravely miss seasons 1 and two - my sister is finally old enough to watch and we have watched season 1-4 this last week and a half, oh the nostalgia)
for glass i voted for like a virgin because at this moment it was the only one i could think of with a memorable moment - that sword in the stone scene had me on the floor laughing. one thing i have realsed from both these and reading your lists of quotes dahne is that i really need to rewatch seasons 6 and 7 (and 8 now too) becuase ive really only seen the majority of them once while ive seen seasons 1-5 very very many times.
good thing its holidays!!! (once i finish catching up on game of thrones that is, why did no-one tell me about it sooner?????)
So many to pick from in the first poll, but I went with The Benders, mainly for the Monsters I get, humans are crazy plot. Liked the sheriff helping Dean look for Sam, but I liked Scarecrow and Croatoan also.
ReplyDeleteLike A Virgin wins this for me, if for no other reason than the Dean/Sword scene..perfect comedy timing.
Adventures in Babysitting quotes: In all fairness this one might partly have a bad rap because it was the first episode back after a long hiatus where we had to deal with Bobby's death. On the other hand Krissy, so yeah it sucked.
ReplyDelete12. Dean: "See, red-blooded American. Now…your turn." Frank: "Oh whoa, look I'm obviously not…" Dean: "Fair's fair douchebag."
11. Dean: "Sam was away at Stanford, smart a**." Krissy: "Sam went to college? I thought you said your dad was a hunter." Dean: "He was, we were…Sam quit, went to college. You could too you know…go to college. Be a hunter pediatrician."
10. Lee: "You know I got into this for a reason." Dean: "I know…your family. That's the same reason you should get out now."
9. Dean: "Don't thank us…quit. Your daughter's 14 years old…she's already a hunter with a…a kill under her belt. I'm not trying to be a d**, but what do you think that does to her lifespan? She could still be a regular kid."
8. Frank: "Just trying to make friendly conversation." Dean: "This is not a friendship, Frank. I'm paying you."
7. Sam: "So what…some kind of animal attack?" Coroner: "Or a vampire. Huh, that…usually gets at least a chuckle."
6. Dean: "Frank, I paid you 15 grand for this." Frank: "Yeah I get that…" Dean: "No you don't get that. Dick Roman is every card in my hit deck, you understand that? Those numbers, they've got something to do with him okay? Bobby died for those numbers."
5. Dean: "Yeah patience and me aren't exactly on terms." Frank: "Well then go out and kill something or whatever you kids do to blow off steam."
4. Frank: "Do I look like I know? You think it's easy to see this deep into what's real and also be bipolar with delusional ideation? There is no pill for my situation sweetie pop…"
3. Dean: "How long ago did I give Frank these numbers? It's been a few weeks right? What? Is he nuts or is he just being rude?" Sam: "Probably both. Dean, I…I've got to ask you a question." Dean: "Unless of course something happened to him…he can't get to the phone because a leviathan ate his face?" Sam: "Yeah also a possibility."
2. Dean: "Relax. It's a field, not the Death Star. Dick's at a TED conference. It's all over the Huffington Post."
1. Dean: "I'm not gonna quit. It's not even an option. I'm not gonna walk out on my brother."
Since I can not stand Krissy, I went with Dean and Frank quotes, I miss Frank. Did we find out if he was really dead? Don't remember, but hope he is just missing, not that I will hold my breath that Carver would bring him back.
ReplyDeleteI feel like every poll is getting more and more difficult to answer lol In the first one, it was hard to choose between all options, but at the end, I picked Croatoan. In the second one, I choose As Time Goes By. Awesome polls :)
ReplyDeleteShiban might be my favorite writer, and Skin is at least my favorite season one episode. Even though many people might disagree, I thought All Dogs Go to Heaven was the best season six episode, mostly because of the writing.
ReplyDelete1. Croatoan - though I enjoyed and liked all the other listed episodes.
ReplyDelete2. ATGB - I loved that episode. It was a great Winchester moment and added to their history. I was also a fan of ADGTH, LAV, and TAAHM.
1. Actually voted Folsom Prison Blues - Croatoan, Tall Tales, Scarecrow, and Everybody Loves A Clown - really the only one on the boring side was Hook Man.
ReplyDelete2. Wow, I don't like Adam Glass episodes. I also hold the character Garth against him. Only liked 2 episodes - As Time Goes By and Mommy Dearest. The only reason I liked ADGTH was the dogs. ha The others were meh or bad. I only liked certain scenes. Overall episodes bad.
Since there was A LOT of blood in his trailer I assumed Frank was dead.
ReplyDeletePretty sure that was the writers way of saying it without saying it. Since he hasn't appeared since, I think it's safe to assume.
It would really shock me if he popped up out of the blue alive. He was basically a tool for the writers in Season 7.
I love HTWFAIM! Especially when the boys and Bobby were in the woods. But that ending dang. :(
ReplyDeleteSouthern Comfort was one of my least favorite SPN episodes in the history of the show and definitely the worst of Garth for me.
ReplyDeleteI love all these episodes to a greater or a lesser degree and I can watch them all with such enjoyment.
ReplyDeleteIt's very hard to choose one above all the others but Croatoan has to take the win.
It was such a perfect episode. Well done Shiban!
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In the second poll, after eliminating the Garth/ Krissy/God eps, all that ae left are are season six eps except for 'As Time Goes By'. If it had been in any season except 8, I might have voted for it but the writers just threw the MOL letters stuff in there and so far have forgotten about it.
Maybe in season nine we'll get more on the secret society but for now 'Like A Virgin' is getting my vote. It was far from perfect but the brother hug and the pulling out of the dragon sword do it for me.:)
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[ Dean: "I'm not gonna quit. It's not even an option. I'm not gonna walk out on my brother." ]
How can one not love this quote. It's a mirror one to Sam's in the last episode of season six. :)
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.[ Frank: "Just trying to make friendly conversation." Dean: "This is not a friendship, Frank. I'm paying you."]
Great line. :)
Bobby: "Uh huh, well as fate would have it, I adopted two boys and
ReplyDeletethey grew up great. They grew up heroes, so you can go to hell."
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Some great Bobby quotes here. :)
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Roman: "Come on, Dean. I can't be killed." Dean: "You're gonna
wish you could then." Roman: "That's some conviction. You'd really
crush it on the motivational circuit." Dean: "You're either laughing
because you're scared or you're laughing because you're stupid. I'll
see you soon, Dick."
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I loved the exchange between Dean and Roman outside the hospital,; when Dean is bad-ass and threatening, he's sublime. :)
I agree this was a great episode and a a wonderful send off for Bobby but strangely enough it's not an episode that I would want to watch often. Go figure!
How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters
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Bobby: "Well I'm taking a page out of Frank Devereaux's bible on this.
Everybody's out to get you? Paranoia is just plain common sense."
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So true Bobby, especially in your world!
[. Sam: "Dean, there are at least 4 leviathans out there. We don't
even know how to kill one." Dean: "Well it'll be quite a shock when we
walk in through the front door won't it?"]
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Blind foolish heroism in the face of cerrtain death. Love it! :)
I picked ATGB for Glass as well. It's easily my favorite episode of Season 8. Then again, that's not saying much in my case.
ReplyDeleteFor Shiban, I picked "Dead Man's Blood", knowing it's not gonna win, and I really didn't care for "Croatoan". Mostly because the preview had me convinced it was gonna be zombies then NO ZOMBIES. Dammit.
Tall Tales and As Time Goes By are my winners in this poll. I had to toss both of the 'Krissy' episodes that Glass did. I think given better guest star performances in those 2 eps, they would have been much much better. I think the guest performances even dragged Jared and Jensen down a bit in those, and that's tough to do.
ReplyDeleteShiban is another I wish would come back.
ReplyDeleteCroatoan and Like a Virgin.
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Dean: "I think you p** off my sandwich."
Bobby: "Now you get a case of the Anne Sextons, something's gonna come up behind you and rip your fool head off. Now you find your reasons to get back in the game. I don't care if it's love or spite or a 10 dollar bet. I've been to enough funerals. I mean it, you die before me and I'll kill you." Dean: "We need to scrape some money together, get you a condo or something."
Death's Door
Bobby: "Uh huh, well as fate would have it, I adopted two boys and they grew up great. They grew up heroes, so you can go to hell."
Reaper: "Bobby…you've helped. You got handed a small, unremarkable life and you did something with it. Most men like you die of liver disease, watching Barney Miller reruns. You've done enough, believe me." Bobby: "I don't care." Reaper: "Why?" Bobby: "Because they're my boys."
Adventures in Babysitting
Dean: "I'm not gonna quit. It's not even an option. I'm not gonna walk out on my brother."
Dean: "Sam was away at Stanford, smart a**." Krissy: "Sam went to college? I thought you said your dad was a hunter." Dean: "He was, we were…Sam quit, went to college. You could too you know…go to college. Be a hunter pediatrician."
Southern Comfort was a mess. First Adam Glass pushed Garth as a replacement for Bobby when no one could replace Bobby. Then we had teh lame plot with the penny montage, which was either massive filler or Adam Glass thinks we're all idiots who cannot follow a simple plot. Then we've got the brothers spatting all over the place about issues that have either never been issues before or have been put behind them several times before. It was like Adam Glass scotch taped some past issues to a board and said, "Hey we'll go with these again. They worked awhile ago. Who cares if they've already been resolved? Maybe the fans won't notice."
ReplyDeleteThis episode is criminally undervalued as a comedy and it has some of the most touching moments of later seasons. Plus there is a Bobby and Sam conversation that everyone was waiting to have happen. However for me drugged Dean and Ranger Rick are comedy gold and that's the major reason why this episode will always be high on my Best of list.
ReplyDeleteAgain it is a tale of two very different polls. So glad you have been able to experience the first few seasons with your sister. I love getting new people's reactions to each episode and reliving the twists. I am really enjoying my stroll down memory lane with seasons 6 and 7. There is so much good there that I think people buried under the regime change. I too have seen season 6 and 7 the least times, but again they've been out the least so I'm sure I will get caught up on them eventually. Maybe over this next year.
ReplyDeleteTall Tales would probably have been my second choice although Skin was right up there for me too. I agree TT gets bonus points for Trickster. It's going to be hard to choose in the next poll because it will have the 2 best Trickster episodes against each other.
The Benders did have that classic line that I still use in conversations today....well the "people are crazy" bit. People get nervous when you use the "demons I get" part.
ReplyDeleteIf Sera Gamble were still running the show, my guess is that we would have seen Frank this season. Since she is not, my guess is Frank is gone and will never been seen again...unless the actor comes back as a different character.
ReplyDeleteFrank would have been more than capable of making it look like he died. To be honest, I think Frank is more a casualty of switching show runners than anything. If Sera Gamble ran season 8 my guess is that Frank and Garth would have switched off the information role.
ReplyDeleteThe next poll should be the hardest of all for people because no matter I think of him as a show runner or as a writer in season 8, Jeremy Carver wrote some truly awesome episodes. There will be fan favorite after fan favorite in the next poll and choosing just one will be difficult.
ReplyDeleteSometimes previews can do that to you. Did it help to see Croatoan zombies in The End?
ReplyDeleteHook Man for me was another casting problem although I really do not like anytime Supernatural visits religion because they are so stereotypical in it. As for Adam Glass, what I really hold against him is the fact that he cannot write an episode without at least mentioning Garth. I swear the man gets paid a bonus every time he is mentioned. It's irksome.
ReplyDeleteI think we eliminated the same Adam Glass episodes and came to the same conclusion. Amazing how the very best parts of Like a Virgin are also the parts with very few words. Sometimes I think the writers would be better off just letting Jensen and Jared's faces tell most of the story. They communicate better that way.
ReplyDeleteI am actually bummed about Sam's reverse quote in The Man Who Knew Too Much because I do not think it is going to make it into the quotes contest and it may be the best serious Sam line of them all.
ReplyDeleteIntenseDean is a personal favorite and that scene reminded me a lot of one of my favorite scenes in the whole show...the exorcism of Meg in Devil's Trap. We all know what happens to villains who underestimate the Winchesters. Hence my Crowley is the only one still alive.
ReplyDeleteHa! The Winchesters never do the smart thing when the case gets personal. It's actually one of the things I like best about them. That and I know that no matter what, they are still going to be on my screen in the next episode. Best thing about having only two leads. They can't get rid of either one of them for long.
ReplyDeleteI just got done transcribing Adventures in Babysitting so while I agree the acting was terrible, I do think most teen actors would have a hard time making that dialogue come off as palatable. There were a lot of whiny, petulant scenes.
ReplyDeleteHe's half and half for me which is a vast improvement over everyone's season 8 episodes, so yeah it would be an improvement from my standing too.
ReplyDeleteI think this is the first time we voted the same way all year. Hmmm. :-P
ReplyDeleteDean's sandwich quote is one of my all time favorite lines. It was in the delivery even more than the words. Very much like Sam's "I lost my shoe."
Sounds great ;)
ReplyDeleteThis is another one that should have 2 votes.
ReplyDeleteAnd maybe we would not have gotten that lame, Sam did not look for Dean story.
ReplyDeleteHa! If only we could retcon.
ReplyDeleteI have debated it for over a week now weighing the pros and cons, but in the end I was feeling evil. It's going to be a one vote poll, which hopefully will make the comments that much more interesting to start a discussion.
ReplyDeleteCrowley has always known how to make himself scarce at the right time.
ReplyDeleteHe did it from the first moment when he gave Sam and Dean back the colt to go kill Lucifer, then he fled from Godstiel and retreated from Dick Roman when he brought him the muffins.
That's why he survives! He's street-wise, cunning and crafty which many of the puffed up self-righteous monsters and demons aren't. :)
I wish they would've stuck with the notion of Dean growing out from under his Father's influence
ReplyDeleteActually it just barely made it into the contest. Hope it goes far. It's a great quote.
ReplyDeleteAgree on poll 1, but I'm going to have to give it to Fulsom Prison Blues just for noticing how well Dean fit into prison life. :) as for poll 2, I'm going with Mommy Dearest. The boys rarely get to be smarter than the monsters (especially season 6-8) so this one was very welcome.
ReplyDeleteDeacon is one of my favorite one-shot PiP's. I would love to have him back again someday. The lawyer was pretty awesome too and quite frankly they could still use her. Seeing the opposite reactions to prison life by the brothers was a lot of fun. All around Folsom Prison Blues was a great episode.
ReplyDeleteI toyed back a forth with Mommy Dearest because I adore when the writers remember to pull SmartDean out and let him shine. He's been sitting in the attic for far too long. If I were judging the episode solely from the point that the brothers entered the diner to confront Eve until the end, it would win hands down for me. I also loved the Jefferson Starships naming scene, Sam and Bobby working together, and the brothers in the apartment of ick. Other than that, not so much. That is my real problem with choosing. Both Like a Virgin and Mommy Dearest had some exceptional scenes and some real clunkers. However in Mommy Dearest there are scenes I very much can't stand where in Like a Virgin they are mostly just unmemorable.
I wish it would've but I generally hated "The End", too. I disliked all of the time travel eps, except the first one, because it was a gimmick and easy to roll with, and ATGB because I liked the intro of MOL and Henry Winchester showing up to be a nooga-douche. Just like his son was.
ReplyDeleteWell we definitely agree on John and Henry, but I love The End. I usually consider it more alternate universe than time travel but it is my second favorite alternate universe episode and my favorite time travel one.
ReplyDeleteI waver between wishing we never heard of John in the in-between episodes and wanting Dean's reversal to be a little more subtle and staggered throughout. I loved Dean telling John off about the phone calls in Salvation but it came a little out of the blue and I wish we saw more how the cracks in Dean's John-built armor started crumbling.
ReplyDeleteCrowley is a great combination of book smart and street smart - a clever manipulator that always seems to be one step ahead and has the wit to make the manipulation snarky fun. Mostly he takes his survival seriously but rarely his circumstances. It's the best combination for a villain and I will miss him if he turns into a sappy human-demon hybrid.
ReplyDeleteHa! I might need a little more plot and action than that, but I understand where you are coming from. My favorite small moments in Supernatural rarely have words, like when Dean holds out his arm to keep Sam from walking into the street when a car is coming. A perfect "blink and you miss it" brother moment that wasn't part of the plot and not a big deal but said a world about their relationship.
ReplyDeleteI really didn't need to see that, maybe in fear that they would go overboard with it
ReplyDeleteI had a lot more confidence in season 1 writers pulling off a season long character arc than I have in anyone right now.
ReplyDeleteI didn't like the way they wrote Dean and Cas in Mommy Dearest, it was just belittling and unpleasant.
ReplyDeleteProbably the one I liked most of Glass was the second one with Krissy, mostly because Dean was able to be a great mentor/hunter.
I felt like Frank was just more of the same (a grizzled old white guy who tells Dean to stop feeling or caring). I wish they'd tried something different.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure why Cas was even in Mommy Dearest until the last 3 minutes. It felt like fan service or needing to meet contract minutes.
ReplyDeleteI think he was in there to show people that he and Dean were now mostly at odds and to show that Cas was becoming "darkside" (he immediately killed Lenore while Dean and Sam hesitated; he tortured one of Eve's minions in a way that disturbed Bobby). I thought the whole idea that he was sneered at as a "baby in a trenchcoat" and simultaneously written into a corner as a hardcore killer was bizarre writing to say the least.
ReplyDeleteI can see where that could have been the point, but if so Glass failed pretty miserably on that. The Lenore thing shocked me but they have all resorted to questionable torture techniques before.
ReplyDeleteI thought Frank was funny, but yes the 32 guest characters in a row that told Dean to suck it up was repetitive and annoying.
ReplyDeleteI don't like Adam Glass so Mommy Dearest being second favorite isn't saying much about the episode. I agree about Dean and Cas.
ReplyDeleteHa, I know. It's because Garth is his character, I assume. It's like "Hey, my man Garth exists. See the characters talking about him? Remember my best man?"
ReplyDeleteMe: I don't want to!
I would have liked that a whole lot better than Garth taking over. How can the guy Bobby in 6x04 was wondering how he could still be alive looking after a whole bunch of hunters? Carver and Glass are trying too hard to make him smarter than he acts.
ReplyDeleteSo would I. Garth feels so forced what with them mentioning him 8 episodes in a row. Plus Frank obviously had a skill set. Garth could barely walk and chew gum at the same time. His skill set was Mr. Fizzles, and I still wish that thing had been salted and burned.
ReplyDeleteI think that the mere fact that he is mentioned every single time Glass writes an episode is equally annoying to the idea that Glass thought Garth could replace Bobby.
ReplyDeletePlus no matter how awesome all the others thought they were, Crowley has proved to be the smartest cookie in the jar. I thought YED was an awesome plan ahead guy, but my guess is that Crowley has plans for every contingency in all his plans. Well except in season 6. He kind of disappointed me in that one although he certainly new when to change the deck to get a new hand.
ReplyDeleteSkin is pretty high on my season 1 list also. The more I watch 2.5 Men the more it grows on me. I love the dialogue over Bobby John.
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