Starting with 23 episodes, we are down to the final 2. Sacrifice has decimated every episode that has come in its path. Can it hold on to win the whole thing or will the steady LARP and the Real Girl with favorite guest star Felicity Day make a surprise win? Voting ends at 7 pm CST Saturday. Happy voting.
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LARP and the Real Girl - most definitely.
ReplyDeleteSacrifice, because I am not a big Charlie fan.
ReplyDeleteAre you adding quotes later?
ReplyDeleteMy Heart Will Go On quotes: I adore this episode far more than I should. It's one of the few times when I really enjoyed a character coming back from the dead. The Bobby and Ellen scenes were so poignant, the music was fabulous song-to-scene bliss, and the humor was rampant. So many great lines in this one.
ReplyDelete15. Bobby: "You know when I knew Rufus was done for? The day I met him. The only question was who first, him or me? Now you want to stand there and therapize or you want to get me some coffee? Make it Irish."
14. Sam: "Poor b**. Doesn't even know how good he had it." Dean: "Yeah well what he doesn't know won't hurt him. I say we keep our mouths shut." Sam: "Yeah I'm with you. Should we wake him?" Dean: "Nah, that's probably the best he's felt all week."
13. Sam: "Wait, so you saved a cruise liner because…" Balthazar: "Because that God awful Celine Dion song made me want to smite myself." Sam: "Who's Celine Dion?" Balthazar: "Oh she's a destitute lounge singer somewhere in Quebec and let's keep it that way please."
12. Ellen: "I don't know. I've got Bobby working on it right now." Dean: "How's he doing by the way?" Ellen: "Oh don't worry. I'm kicking his a** back to health and happiness."
11. Bobby: "You two gonna stand there like the ugly girl at the prom or you going to pitch in? This so-called Eve, mother of whatever, ain't gonna gank herself. What's wrong with you two?"
10. Balthazar: "Uh sweetie, before we go…um, I could remove that stick from your…" Atropos: "Don't try me." Balthazar: "Oh we'll leave it inserted then. Alright then, let's sink the Titanic."
9. Bobby: "And then one of them writes it all down in her Dayrunner of Death."
8. Dean: "I don't know. There is definitely a skeleton in this family's closet. I mean accidents don't just happen accidentally….You know what I mean."
7. Balthazar: "Oh come on. I saved people. I thought you loved that kind of thing." Sam: "Yeah but now those people and their kids and their kids' kids…they must have interacted with…with so many other people. Changed so much cr**. You totally Butterfly Effect-ed history." Dean: "Dude, dude, rule #1. No Kutcher references."
6. Ellen: "What the hell is up with you?' Bobby: "Nothing." Ellen: "Oh please, you are a neon sign. So I can beat it out of you or we could just skip that part. Dealer's choice."
5. Dean: "Oh you've got to be kidding me." Sam: "Alright just…just keep walking." Dean: "Sam, they're juggling knives…and hatchets." Sam: "Yeah I know. Can't avoid fate."
4. Sam: "Why?" Balthazar: "Why what?" Dean: "Why did you un-sink the ship?" Balthazar: "Oh, because I hated the movie." Dean: "What movie?" Balthazar: "Exactly."
3. Dean: "What'd she look like?" Sam: "Kind of like a librarian." Dean: "Your kind of librarian or my kind of librarian?" Sam: "Well she was wearing clothes if that's what you mean."
2. Dean: "Too soon?" Sam: "Yeah Dean, I'm pretty sure 6 seconds is too soon."
1. Sam: "Alright I don't get it." Dean: "I don't either. Who do you have to kill to get killed around here?"
Frontierland quotes: I am less of a fan of this one than most people are. Generally time travel episodes bug me but this one was worse. I HATE the stupid, cheesy Back to the Future ending and it ruined the whole thing for me. Plus it's Dabb and Loflin so that's usually a swing and a miss. Still, there are quotes. There's always good quotes in every episode.
ReplyDelete15. Dean: "Iron shackles, iron bars, iron nail. See a pattern? Don't worry. Most creatures I meet can't get it up for iron. It's a common monster problem." Finch: "So you're a hunter." Dean: "Slash sheriff."
14. Dean: "You know what that is?" Sam: "Yeah it's horse…" Dean: "Authenticity."
13. Dean: "Where's the posse? I must be early." Elkins: "Or you're the only greenhorn dumb enough to go chasing after a ghost." Dean: "What are you talking about? Sheriff's tough as nails. He'll be here." Man's voice: "Oh God, the sheriff's dead." Dean: "Or not."
12. Dean: "I know where we can find one. March 5, 1861. Sunrise, Wyoming. We'll Star Trek 4 this b**." Bobby: "I only watch Deep Space 9." Dean: "It's like I don't even know you guys anymore. Star Trek 4. Save the whales."
11. Colt: "That's…I'm either too drunk or not drunk enough. So what is it I'm about to do exactly?"
10. Sam: "Colt? Colt like…" Dean: "Like THE Colt from…Samuel Colt's journal." Sam: "What? That's his?" Dean: "Yeah." Sam: "Dude, no." Dean: "Dude, yes." Sam: "Well let me see it." Dean: "Get your own."
9. Bobby: "How bad's it hurt?" Cas: "I'll heal." Bobby: "Well good 'cause we've got less than an hour before you pick up the kids at Frontierland."
8. Dean: "Great, who's the sheriff now?" (Elkins pins badge on Dean.) Dean: "Wha…what?" Elkins: "Now…congratulations sheriff."
7. Bobby: "Time travel?" Dean: "Yeah." Bobby: "That's a reasonable plan?"
6. Dean: "That poor horse."
5. Bobby: "Well we can't just strand those idjits in Deadwood can we?"
4. Bobby: "You going to a hoedown?" Cas: "Now is it…is it customary to wear a blanket?" Dean: "It's a serape and yes it's….uh, never mind. Let's just go."
3. Bobby: "Bingo. Either of you jokers ever heard of anything about a Phoenix?" Dean: "River, Joaquin, or the big flaming bird?"
2. Colt: "Well when you've done this job as long as I have…a giant from the future with some magic brick doesn't exactly give you the vapors."
1. Bobby: "Is that what I think it is?" Dean: "Ashes of a phoenix. You know what this means." Bobby: "Yeah, I didn't get a soulonoscopy for nothing."
Sacrifice, because the angels falling, the confession, Crowley scenes and Metaton take over the heaven is fantastic.
ReplyDeleteI've added the first two but I don't have time to add the last two. Tornado sirens are going off by my house. I love you guys but not that much. Will add once the storm is over.
ReplyDeleteSorry, Charlie. I love you, but Sacrifice was better.
ReplyDeleteAre you in OK? Stay safe.
ReplyDeleteSacrifice was my favorite episode from the season, the secong one being Goodbye Stranger.
ReplyDeleteI liked sacrifice but I really loved LARP and the real girl. Don't think it can win though but ill be happy either way
ReplyDeleteI believe they are equal but I went with Sacrifice. Sorry, Dahne. Most of the time, we agree, but not with season 8, it would seem.
ReplyDeleteMy Heart Will Go On
Sam: "Wait, so you saved a cruise liner because…" Balthazar: "Because that God awful Celine Dion song made me want to smite myself." Sam: "Who's Celine Dion?" Balthazar: "Oh she's a destitute lounge singer somewhere in Quebec and let's keep it that way please."
Dean: "What'd she look like?" Sam: "Kind of like a librarian." Dean: "Your kind of librarian or my kind of librarian?" Sam: "Well she was wearing clothes if that's what you mean."
Frontierland
Dean: I’ll stay here and hook-up with the posse. Because you know me, I’m a posse magnet. I mean I love posse. I’m gonna make that into a t-shirt.
Dean: "You know what that is?" Sam: "Yeah it's horse…" Dean: "Authenticity."
Mommy Dearest
Dean: (to Eve) Bite me.
Dean: Why has it always got to be me that makes the call? It's not like Cas lives in my a**. The dude's busy. (Cas appears behind him.) Cas, get out of my a**!
Castiel: I was never in your...
The Man Who Would Be King
Castiel: And of course, I remember the most remarkable event. Remarkable because it never came to pass. It was averted by two boys, an old drunk, and a fallen angel. The grand story, and we ripped up the ending, and the rules, and destiny, leaving nothing but freedom and choice. Which is all well and good, except... but what if I've made the wrong choice?
Crowley: (About the Winchesters) Don't worry about -- what, like Lucifer didn't worry? Or Michael? Or Lilith or Alastair or Azazel didn't worry?! Am I the only game piece on the board who doesn't underestimate those denim-wrapped nightmares?!
Sacrifice. LARP episode should not have beat the Pac-Man one, Charlie episode wise.
ReplyDeleteI'm in Missouri. We were lucky. Looks like it's mostly wind damage and no loss of life. All's good.
ReplyDeleteIt's not that they're myth-arcs or not, it's that I find "stand-alones" often boring and connect with main plot episodes more often. Some of my top favorite episodes have been stand-alones (like Mystery Spot) but the older this show gets the more I groan about stand-alones. A lot of them just don't reach me. I need lots of brother stuff or a favorite guest character to make a stand-alone interesting for me now. And I didn't like LARP much cause it was not my kind of comedy.
ReplyDeleteI find these last two remaining episodes to be an 'odd couple' and while Sacrifice reaching the finale is no surprise,it was the most recent ep after all, 'Larp' does.
ReplyDeleteOther than the costumes and Dean's Braveheart impression, there wasn't much else,although the attraction might well be that after the brothers fighting so unpleasantly in the first half of the season, people were just happy to see the boys semi-okay with each other once again.
I liked this ep.
ReplyDeleteI just love any format of Mary, although here she was Eve. I find her to be as complicated a character as the rest of the Winchesters.
I liked seeing the little glimpse of Lenore. She too could have been good recurring character.
A useful informant on Monster movements and equally friendly to both brothers. I was sorry Castiel killed her.
[ Crowley: "Really Cas, this is getting ridiculous. How many times am I going to have to clean up your messes?" ]
You said it Crowley!
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[ Sam: "You know what we really need is an inside man." Dean: "What
do you mean?" Sam: "Something with claws and sympathy." ]
Sam who has always had a soft spot for monsters that try to be good is portrayed in season eight as hating Benny, for no reason at all!
Of course Dean could have explained things to Sam beforehand, but he couldn't as Carver wanted to give us that 'wonderful' briother war!
A terrific episode which like 'It's A Terrible Life' I feel tends to get forgotten.
ReplyDeleteI loved the glimpse into the alternate life-style the boys and Bobby, Ellen and Jo could have had. It seemed so right somehow. :)
However, I never really got why Balthazar was helping Castiel get these extra souls. Was he okay with bringing people to life just to get their souls for Castiel's war machine or did he just think he was doing a good turn?
I thought Fate was cute and she had every reason to be unhappy, if things that were fated to happen, didn't, then she was out if a job and I love how she threatened and stood up to Castiel.
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[ Sam: "Why?" Balthazar: "Why what?" Dean: "Why did you un-sink the
ship?" Balthazar: "Oh, because I hated the movie." Dean: "What
movie?" Balthazar: "Exactly." ]
I hate that movie.too Right there with you Balthazar!
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[ Dean: "What'd she look like?" Sam: "Kind of like a librarian."
Dean: "Your kind of librarian or my kind of librarian?" Sam: "Well
she was wearing clothes if that's what you mean." ]
Gotta love a snarky Sam!
I like this episode more in the re-watches than the first.time.
ReplyDeleteThere are lots of little amusing moments. Yeah the Back to the Future ending was dumb but I enjoyed the episode.
I felt a little sorry for the Phoenix; another example of a sympathetic monster and the guy in jail got what he deserved.
I liked the exchanges between Colt and Sam, and of course the bar scenes were testimony to poor Dean's disillusionment with the saloon girls and the whole West in general, except of course for 'Posse'. :)
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Same old, same old, with Castiel; they had to debilitate his powers to add a little drama to the story. He became too weak to bring the boys back, so Bobby had to let him rummage about with his soul.
AH, Bobby what you do for Sam and Dean, :)
X[ Bobby: "Is that what I think it is?" Dean: "Ashes of a phoenix.
You know what this means." Bobby: "Yeah, I didn't get a soulonoscopy
for nothing." ]
Poor Bobby!
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[Sam: "Colt? Colt like…" Dean: "Like THE Colt from…Samuel Colt's
journal." Sam: "What? That's his?" Dean: "Yeah." Sam: "Dude, no."
Dean: "Dude, yes." Sam: "Well let me see it." Dean: "Get your
own." ]
Love brotherly baiting. :)
The Man Who Would Be King.
ReplyDeleteI didn't agree with anything Castiel did in this episode. He's limp and wimpy and just all round incompetent..His reasoning is way off and well, the Superman slip was so careless for some one who needs to have his wits about him to conquer anything , let alone Heaven!
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Then Crowley tells him that they could get Sam and Dean to help them get souls and Castiel answers, 'No, not , Dean!' which means it was okay to raise Sam from the Cage, soulless, to the dirty work along wìth Samuel.
Nice example of being Sam's friend!
[ Castiel: Sam, I am the one who raised you from perdition.
Sam: What? ... Well, no offence, but you did a pretty piss poor job of it. ]
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That he did Sam, that he did, and he also lied his teeth off about it, letting Crowley take the blame; although Crowley would probably have got it right if it was he who had pulled you out.
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[ Crowley: (About the Winchesters) Don't worry about -- what, like
Lucifer didn't worry? Or Michael? Or Lilith or Alastair or Azazel didn't
worry?! Am I the only game piece on the board who doesn't underestimate
those denim-wrapped nightmares?! *
You were wise to be wary, Crowley! Very wise! :)
Then I also liked:-
[ CASTIEL
Or what?
DEAN
Or I'll have to do what I have to do to stop you.
CASTIEL
You can't, Dean. You're just a man. I'm an angel.
DEAN
I don't know. I've taken some pretty big fish. ]
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[ DEAN
You're a freakin' child, you know that? Just because you can do what you want doesn't mean that you get to do whatever you want! ]
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You tell him , Dean!
Good to know..thanks
ReplyDeleteI am not finding the man who would be king quotes?
ReplyDeleteSacrifice, I liked how neither brother died or were sent to Purgatory for once
ReplyDeleteLARP and the Real Girl, I don't like Sacrifice.
ReplyDeleteMy Heart Will Go On:
- Sam: "Why?" Balthazar: "Why what?" Dean: "Why did you un-sink the ship?" Balthazar: "Oh, because I hated the movie." Dean: "What movie?" Balthazar: "Exactly." - (I hate that move too!)
- Dean: "Too soon?" Sam: "Yeah Dean, I'm pretty sure 6 seconds is too soon."
Frontierland:
- Sam: "Colt? Colt like…" Dean: "Like THE Colt from…Samuel Colt's journal." Sam: "What? That's his?" Dean: "Yeah." Sam: "Dude, no."Dean: "Dude, yes." Sam: "Well let me see it." Dean: "Get your own."
- Bobby: "Is that what I think it is?" Dean: "Ashes of a phoenix. You
know what this means." Bobby: "Yeah, I didn't get a soulonoscopy for
nothing."
Mommy Dearest:
- Bobby: "Well congrats. You discovered it. You get to name it." Dean: "Jefferson Starships… because they're horrible and hard to kill."
- Dean: "Alright look, for the last few months we've been working for an evil d**. We're not about to sign up for an evil b**. We don't work with demons. We don't work with monsters…and if that means you've got to kill us, then kill us!"
The Man Who Would be King:
- Crowley: (About the Winchesters) "Don't worry about -- what, like Lucifer didn't worry? Or Michael? Or Lilith or Alastair or Azazel didn't worry?! Am I the only game piece on the board who doesn't underestimate those denim-wrapped nightmares?!"
- Dean: "You're a freakin' child, you know that? Just because you can do
what you want doesn't mean that you get to do whatever you want!"
Sam hating Benny - it is thing that i couldn't understand. Sam met Benny for few seconds and just started not like him for no reason. Sam being angry at Dean - makes sence, Dean lied (that was unnecessary, Dean just could explain things from begining or just before going help Benny).
ReplyDeleteFor me it was another case of conflict for the sake of conflict but with no grounding in the characters or the show. A disappointment when there really was no purpose for it in the context of season 8 as a whole.
ReplyDeleteI agree. That whole story-line with Sam/ Benny was ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteEven if Sam hadn't wanted to trust a vampire right off, all that would have been needed was for Dean to tell him that Benny had saved his life in Purgatory and 'normal' Sam would have been grateful to Benny, not angry.
Carver just wanted to keep the fire of brother tension flamed up.
I mean when Carver makes Dean blame Sam for being soulless, we are at the height of nonsense, so what can one expect!
The simple fact that Benny obviously helped Dean clear out a vampire nest should have given Sam pause. They were fighting side-by-side so obviously Benny was not your typical vampire. For Sam to go straight to hate made absolutely no sense for the character or the plot.
ReplyDeleteSorry. I got busy with the podcasts for Hell House and Something Wicked. Here they are. I really dislike this episode because it bores me to tears. The best part was the introduction of Ellsworth for me. He's in my top 10 characters I wish they hadn't killed off. Crowley of course was a real high point too. Then again, he always is for me.
ReplyDelete12. Dean: "No worries, but Cas, you'll call right, if you get into real trouble?"
11. Sam: "Trust you? How in the hell are we supposed to trust you now?"
10. Dean: "No, you had a choice. You just made the wrong one." Cas: "You don't understand. It's complicated." Dean: "No actually it's not and you know that. Why else would you keep this whole thing a secret, huh, unless you knew that it was wrong? When cr** like this comes around, we deal with it….like we always have. What we don't do is we don't go out and make another deal with the devil."
9. Cas: "Those first weeks back in heaven were surprisingly difficult. Explaining freedom to angels is a bit like teaching poetry to fish."
8. Red: "Read the papers, redneck. The King is dead."
7. Dean: "You've got to look at me, man. You've got to level with me and tell me what's going on. Look me in the eye and tell me you're not working with Crowley…..you SoB."
6. Sam: "Look Dean, he's our friend too okay and I'd die for him. I would…but…look I'm praying we're wrong here." Bobby: "But if we ain't…if there's a snowball of a snowball's chance here…that means we're dealing with a Superman who's gone dark side, which means we've got to be cautious, we've got to be smart, and maybe stock up on some kryptonite."
5. Ellsworth: "Not in here you frigging Yeti. Out back."
4. Crowley: "This is not how synergy works."
3. Crowley: "Submit or die? What are you, French? How about resist?"
2. Dean: "You're a freaking child, you know that? Just because you can do what you want doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want."
1. Crowley: "Don't worry about…what? Like Lucifer didn't worry, or Michael, or Lilith or Alastair or Azazel didn't worry? Am I the only game piece on the board who doesn't underestimate those denim-wrapped nightmares?"
Agree with you 100% on the angel front. They are well overplayed. I'd like to see SPN concentrate more on monsters and urban legends again.
ReplyDeleteThere's a reason Crowley was still standing and all the others were ganked. It does no one any good to underestimate the Winchesters. Crowley always was a smart one.
ReplyDeletePersonally I think Next Generation is the best thing about the Star Trek world but I am a huge fan of the Picard character and cannot stand anything William Shatner has ever done.
ReplyDeleteWhat kept Terrible Life from being a favorite of mine was The Ghostfacers, I just can not stand to watch grown men act like they are 12. But What Is was superb and Jensen was awesome.
ReplyDeleteI will say that the Ghostfacers had a couple of great lines in IaTL, but yes, for the most part I wish they would disappear down a cavern and never return. WiaWSNB is one of the best episodes of TV I have ever seen. It's up there with some Buffy and X-Files episodes. Actually, the season finale of Arrow might join that select list too.
ReplyDeleteI don't like the original show much. I'm used to this day and age. The acting style and props make it hard for me to take anything seriously. Fans of the original would probably freak out on me if they read this. They can be intense, some of them.
ReplyDeleteI like the new movies best; I like Kirk and Spock. I like The Next Generation quite a bit too. Picard is a indeed great captain.
Yeah I loved WIAWNSB. Such emotion at the end. Dang it. :(
ReplyDeleteFor me it is that both brothers experience actual joy in the episode. I don't care if it is fictional or not. That is a beautiful sight to see.
ReplyDeleteI haven't seen much of the original but I understand where you are coming from. I think I have seen 2-3 episodes from start to finish and then a whole lot of clips and scenes. I also haven't seen the new movie although I really enjoyable the first reboot a whole lot more than I expected. I was basically dragged to it so it exceeded my admittedly low expectations. I have a friend who is fascinated with Benedict Cumberbatch (?) so I have been hearing a lot about it.
ReplyDeleteProbably because Benedict acted as Sherlock. I've never watched that show, but a friend of mine does.
ReplyDeleteI haven't watched much of the original either.
I didn't get into Stat Trek about less than a month ago, though I did see the 2009 movie in theater. I wasn't into the space thing at the time, but I love it now.
That's exactly why people are over the moon with him. I watched the first episode of Sherlock and had a few major problems with it, so much so that I still haven't gotten around to watching anything else. Maybe this summer. Maybe not.
ReplyDeleteThey seem to have. They haven't referenced them in a long while.
ReplyDeleteI enjoy Sherlock, but I have more of a problem with the presentation of Watson than anything else. I love Martin Freeman, don't get me wrong, but I'm a huge Watson fangirl and this series/film was the first where I just was never engaged wtih the character. Well, the Basil Rathbone version was short-changed, too, but those morons didn't understand the point of Watson as a character. If you're a fan of Irene Adler, the second series premiere will get your dander up. I was liking it well enough until the end. Then I was just, "What the eff, Moffat? You a-hole."
ReplyDeleteLARP partly pissed me off because it did nothing to dispel the stereotypes of gamers/RPers/nerds in general.
ReplyDeleteIt helps that the guy who played Ed is a regular on CSI. I don't think he'll be coming back as a Ghostfacer any time soon.
ReplyDeleteI can never understand why Watson in any form ever put up with Sherlock Holmes. I particularly hate when they make Watson seem like a dolt just to make Sherlock seem smarter. Watson should be able to grasp at least as much as your regular professional adult.
ReplyDeleteThat might be the best news I have heard in weeks. lol
ReplyDeleteThe novels make it pretty easy to understand. But Watson gradually gains more even footing with Holmes as the stories go on and he becomes a detective in his own right under Holmes' tutelage. The stories don't run in chronological order, but when Holmes and Watson begin to interact, it's easy to figure out when in their relationship it is. Holmes regards Watson with more respect than he does in the earlier stories. He also becomes a complete d-bag post-"The Final Problem" ...
ReplyDeleteWhat I liked about the Guy Ritchie films, esp. the first one, is he addresses that very question - why does Watson put up with Holmes' nonsense? They become codependent on one another for different reasons. (Much like the House/Wilson relationship on HOUSE.) Which makes it even more interesting watching Holmes reacts when Watson tries to have a normal life, marriage, moving out of their house, etc.
I'm currently rewatching TOS on Amazon Prime and it's actually better than I remember it being as a kid. But then I love the old sci fi, like old school Doctor Who and Lost in Space. OOT acting and shakey sets don't bug me.
ReplyDeleteI am laughing my way through old Doctor Who right now. Those were some terrible effects. I still can't do original Star Trek though due to my general loathing for all things William Shatner.
ReplyDeleteI'll admit it. My favorite Sherlock Holmes movie is Young Sherlock Holmes and most of the Holmes I read was because of school assignments. I was never a huge fan. I have to have a main character I can root for. For example, I could not stand Gregory House so I could not watch that show even if I first tried it because I love Robert Sean Leonard's acting.
ReplyDeleteGlad to make your night. Let's jsut say when I was watching and he came on I had two reactions. "Oh no, not this guy" and "Woo hoo, he is too busy to be Ed anymore."
ReplyDeleteMy favorite episode this season would be ATGB, but btw Sacrifice and LARP, I guess I have to go w/Sacrifice. LARP sucked, IMO. Too much left over Amelia crap for my taste!
ReplyDeleteI voted for Sacrifice. I hated LARP and don't understand what people liked about it. It was dumb, and Sam was still moping around and feeling sad bout the awful Amelia. Ugh. I did like the last shot w/Sam and Dean running.
ReplyDeleteThis is a S6 episode I've never re-watched. I didn't care for it all that much, but Dean was super smart in it! He drank the ashes or something. Whatever he did was brilliant!
ReplyDeleteI agree. Honestly, I'd love for someone to ask Jared what he thought of Sam's reaction to Benny. I believe he would say it was OOC like he said about Sam not looking for Dean.
ReplyDeleteThere was no reason for Sam to immediately hate Benny the way he did. I read plenty of fanon, head canon, speculation that Sam likened Benny to Ruby, but why? Benny wasn't bothering Dean. Benny wasn't whispering in Dean's ear and trying to turn him to the darkside. Benny was minding his own business. Plus, Sam has always been willing to give monsters/freaks the benefit of the doubt so what changed here? It never made any sense to me, and I found it just as OOC as Sam not looking for Dean.
I also thought it was stupid for Dean to not tell Sam about Benny and how Benny helped him out. I liked Benny, but Carver introduce him solely to create unnecessary conflict and tension btw the brothers!
No, it was OOC nonsense from the start. Sam seemed irrationally jealous of Benny. The entire thing made ZERO sense.
ReplyDeleteThis is another episode I watched on its original airdate and never watched again! Haha! That's been happening since S5.
ReplyDeleteThis had the Phoenix right? He was cool. I remember there being a huge controversy on the CW Lounge about Dean riding a horse or something.
I felt incredibly sorry for the Phoenix and didn't think he deserved to be killed as he was essentially living his life and minding his own business IIRC.
ReplyDeleteAwww. . . Shatner was great in "Boston Legal."
ReplyDeleteI love ST: TNG. I've never seen the original series, but I've seen everything else Star Trek. While I love Picard and TNG, I like my favorite incarnation is ST: DS9. I just loved Sisko.
I should stop writing this but this is another episode I've never rewatched. I found the first half of S6 to be much stronger than the second half. I've only rewatched LAV, Unforgiven, M3: TR, TFM, the one w/Rufus and the Campbells, TMWWBK, and the finale.
ReplyDeleteI might give these other ones a re-watch to see if I like them better.
Summer is a great time to rewatch. I find my opinion changes sometimes once I've gotten away from the original air date. I do think it's funny that 3 of the ones you've rewatched are on my least favorite of the whole series list.
ReplyDeleteI never saw Deep Space 9 but it's on my one day list. I think Next Generation was a special case for since I'm not a huge fan of Star Trek overall. I just really connected to the characters in Next Generation.
ReplyDeleteYes, Frontierland had the phoenix and the horrid, horrid ending.
ReplyDeleteSam is the one who rode the horse. I'm not sure why it would cause a debate though.
Agreed. That was the debate I heard most in the fandom. People were very upset about it.
ReplyDeleteIrrational is the perfect word. It simply did not make sense and we never got any clarification about why Sam felt that way so it continued to gnaw at me. Sam was out of character the entire first half of this season.
ReplyDeleteI thought Benny was an intriguing character and to be totally honest, he was the character I liked most the first half of this year. However it did end up with him being nothing more than another ditch in the brother rift and an occasional reminder of how important family used to be on this show. What a disservice to his own character.
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed this episode. Partly because it was funny but also because of Smart Dean. I like when he gets to come out to play. I wish they would bring him out more often.
ReplyDeleteI think it's biggest draw is that it is literally the first episode in season 8 when the brothers are not sniping at each other. Add to it that they got to have a little fun and it was a breath of fresh air.
ReplyDeleteThat could be true. I also know Charlie/FD has a huge fanbase. She's alright to me.
ReplyDeleteThere was one episode before LARP where the boys were okay. I remember thinking Sam was very "in character" during the episode when Cas first returned. He had been so "off" before that episode, and then it seemed like "normal" Sam again. I don't remember the name of that episode or what happened in it (haha); I just remember thinking, "Wow, the brothers seem to be okay."
Agreed! Dean is very intelligent. He really tricked the MOA in that episode, which was a high point. Sadly, I don't remember much else about that MD.
ReplyDeleteOver on the Lounge and Supernatural.tv, a bunch of Dean fans were really upset that Jensen wasn't going to be the one riding the horse. They were livid! I remember the long debates. The scene was all of five seconds. Did we even see an actual shot of Jared on the horse? I don't think we did. All that drama for a 2 second scene. Oh fandom . . . .
ReplyDeleteAs well they should have been! I hated that Dean killed him. Maybe that's why I've never had a desire to re-watch it.
ReplyDeleteWhere I was posting at the time, there was drama over Sam, or rather Jared, riding that horse and Sam talking to Samuel Colt. You know . . . the usual Sam v. Dean, Jared v. Jensen pointless drama!
TNG is great! If you liked TNG, I think you would love DS9. It was such a great show w/many great moments and standout episodes. You should give it a try. I didn't really like Janeway, but Voyager was good. I also like Enterprise. I guess you could call me a Trekkie even though I don't go to conventions and haven't seen TOS.
ReplyDeleteHahaha :-) Let me guess: M3: TR, Unforgiven, and TMWWBK? Am I right?
ReplyDeleteI never did get into DS9. I just didn't care for Sisko, or most of the main characters, except Bashir and Dax. TNG is easily my favorite, though. I need to watch the rest of Enterprise, though. I got through the first two seasons, but then my job at the time put me on nights and I missed the last two seasons.
ReplyDeleteYou are 100% correct. I have obviously been doing this too long. :-) My straight through is anything before the writers' strike and then I tend to be a purist if I am marathoning. I usually skip large parts of season 4 and 5, with smaller parts of 6 and 7 when I am doing it piecemeal. I plan to skip almost everything in season 8 in an effort to forget it existed.
ReplyDeleteAll I watched as a kid were the old shows, so maybe I'm just more conditioned to the shakey sets? The stories I've been reviewing on TOS are really good stories, effects and Shatner aside. :)
ReplyDeleteI was a House fan for the first two seasons. But House became impossible as an ass after his near death experience with "Moriarty" at the end of season two. Reminded me of the change in the Holmes character after his near death experience with Moriarty in "The Final Problem". I guess it was easier for me to roll with House as a character because of that. I really liked the secondary characters. My favorite on that series was actually Foreman, Omar Epps' character. Then I loved the new characters in later seasons, like Thirteen, Taub, etc.
ReplyDeleteI didn't think Benny was ruined - he could still come back, and he proved he was a good man. I didn't like the conflict between Dean and Sam over him, but Benny's backstory mostly felt cliched and dull to me (his greatgreatgranddaughter was OK but if she came back she'd just be killed).
ReplyDeleteI don't have as much of a problem with the Sam/Benny conflict now that they implied Sam was just jealous and irrational from self-loathing, but I wish they would have explored this earlier.
I also really liked the Dean/Cas/Benny relationship in Purgatory.
I mainly remember it for the unpleasant one-liners they kept having Dean throw at Cas. They really were trying their best to ruin that relationship, from both sides, in season 6.
ReplyDeleteI'd watch TOS. The first season isn't that great, because they were trying to figure out what worked. But the second and third seasons, they'd realized Kirk/Spock/McCoy were the heart of the show and focused more on them. It became lighter and more like a family. Then they'd settled on Sulu, Uhura, Scotty and Chekov as the rest of the main crew. The first season, those characters were in an episode then gone for a few. It's disconcerting. Best TOS movies are 2, 3, 4. I don't know why 3 - The Search For Spock - gets such a bad rap. I've seen it several times in the past few weeks and it has a pretty great story and good performances by the main cast.
ReplyDeleteLenore mostly seemed to die because of the usual bleakness and in a vain attempt to make Eve more of a villain. What made it really suck was that they ruined the message of monsters being able to overcome their impulses.
ReplyDeleteLittle Slice of Kevin.
ReplyDeleteWow, someone else hated LARP?! I thought I was alone! and for reasons more than just Charlie was existing in it, too.
ReplyDeleteNone of that story made any sense to me. It was ludicrous that Cas would have no idea he'd brought Sam back without a soul. They rewrote all of that mess toward the end of the season (Cas was never intended to be the one who had brought Sam back), and it showed.
ReplyDeleteWell Felicia Day is the only person who actually correlates with a SPN ratings rise, but that doesn't seem to have as much sway here as it does in the ratings.
ReplyDeleteI would have to rewatch A Little Slice of Kevin to see if I agree, but since I abhor torture porn, that's not anywhere on the schedule. What I remember most about that episode is Alfie's incessant screaming, Cas as a plot device to fix Kevin's finger, some nonsense about future prophets, and Dean and Sam not even getting to be wallpaper for the main action since they weren't even in the room. Yeah, definitely not on my list to rewatch anytime soon.
That didn't bother me as much because she was in extreme circumstances. I would have liked Lenore to have played a bigger part in helping the brothers bring down Eve, as a spy not necessarily being there in the actual action, although that would have been fine too. I think it would have been awesome if after Eve was defeated, Lenore helped the brothers take down AlphaVamp. But that's just because I like that character and miss him.
ReplyDeleteAgreed, which is an even bigger shame because he was Jeremy's creation to begin with and he obviously spent time creating a back story for Benny and episodes to showcase him.
ReplyDeleteOmar Epps is always a joy to watch, even if I can't stand the show he is on. I used to catch reruns on House on TV and watch until House came on. Then I changed the channel.
ReplyDeleteTNG was in my high school/college days. Since I don't remember watching it in college, my guess is I haven't seen the last couple of seasons either.
ReplyDeleteAh that makes much more sense in the context of the overall fandom. I think both brothers got decent scenes apart, so it never bothered me one bit.
ReplyDeleteJared was actually on the horse but only for a brief amount of time. I thought it was hilarious because Sam is so big and he dwarfed the horse. Dean's line, "That poor horse" cracked me up. The CW Lounge was always a great place to avoid. Sorry to hear that supernatural.tv went that way too. I used to enjoy going to that site in the earlier years of SPN.
ReplyDeleteI had some issues with ATGB, but when the Factory of Answers didn't immediately turn into a plot device of easy answers I ended up liking it a lot better. It's not in my top 3 episodes of the season, but it's in my top 10.
ReplyDeleteMost people remember Jefferson Starships first and then the reveal that Crowley was indeed alive and that Cas was in cahoots with him the entire time. It also had some great lines like Bobby's one on how an iPad wasn't a computer. I really liked the Dean and Sam scenes in this episode. Cas had no purpose in it at all, another one where they had to put him in somewhere to fulfill the contract, until the last 5 minutes when he got to be both the plot device and the plot twist.
ReplyDeleteSo, that's ASOK. I kept reading the title but couldn't remember a thing about the episode. I have no desire to rewatch it either. From what I can recall, Sam was normal in the episode and very much himself.
ReplyDeleteThank you. Other than Dean's lame fake guilt and Sam's in character behavior, I don't remember much else. I recall Alfie's torture but thought that was in a different episode. That was annoying. Like Dahne, I don't wish to rewatch the episode though.
ReplyDeleteI do remember Dean being particularly mean and nasty to Castiel for no reason. I vaguely recall them all at a diner table, and Dean was, IMO, being unnecessarily rude to Cas.
ReplyDeleteThat Jefferson Starship reference is very familiar but I can't quite remember what it means. I pulled out my DVDs but just couldn't motivate myself to watch the disc with all those episodes I've never watched again: Titanic, the Western, this one. Maybe later this summer when I'm really bored. Haha!
ReplyDeleteLike Peter, I also thought the switch in Cas in S6 seemed tacked on and like a sudden change in plans. The story never quite flowed for me.
ReplyDeleteHaha! Nope. Not alone at all. In fact, that episode has ZERO redeeming qualities for me. I don't care for Charlie, and I hated the leftover Amelia crap.
ReplyDeleteI also hated this idea thst Dean caused Sam to lose Amelia! Huh?!?!?!? Last I checked, Sam had ditched Amelia way before he reunited with Dean. Dean didn't cause Sam to lose crap. If Sam had wanted that boring waste of space, he had his chance. He left her ..... again. It had nothing to do with Dean.
I also didn't care for the lack of interaction Sam and Charlie had. I hate when the show acts as if the recurring guest only knows Dean and can only interact with Dean. It's odd and weird!
I know. Benny could have been an ally and friend to both Sam and Dean. The conflict was unnecessary and poorly developed, and TO was wasted!
ReplyDeleteTy Olssen is always a joy to watch. Too bad his show Borealis did not get picked up. It's still the best pilot I saw all season.
ReplyDeleteI still don'tthink it was clear to me why Sam had issues with Benny. I always thought he seemed jealous but I don't necessarily interpret his confession as saying that. If we were supposed to link Sam's speech to Benny, it should have been better written, IMO. I don't know. I have issues with the whole Benny thing and how it played out on screen.
ReplyDeleteThe idea, which was talked about for months before the season started, was to make the whole season a film noir feel with red herrings all over the place. They definitely got the red herring part right. They just didn't get the constant suspense part right or the everything makes sense in the end part.
ReplyDeleteJefferson Starships is the name Dean gave the vampire-wraith hybrids Eve created. He called them that because "they're horrible and hard to kill."
ReplyDeleteIt was the episode that renewed my faith in the show. Before ATGB aired, I was seriously considering giving up the show. I loved it so much. It felt like a completely different show and the "real" start of the season. Then, shockingly, I greatly enjoyed the following three episodes that aired, and I thought the show had been redeemed. I was wrong, but I, at least, enjoyed four episodes in a row for the first time that season.
ReplyDeleteYou enjoyed Man's Best Friend with Benefits? I'm shocked.
ReplyDeleteUgh . . . no way!!!
ReplyDeleteThe four episodes I liked were: ATGB, EHH, T&E, and Prometheus. MBFWB was after Prometheus, wasn't it? I don't remember. MBFWB was just plain gross. The thought of that guy sleeping w/his dog just squicked me out way too much! Ugh! Plus, S&D disappeared for way too long IIRC. It seemed like an episode for the guest stars rather than the leads.
Whew, I was worried there for a second. Remember the Titans came right after MBFwB.
ReplyDeleteI wasn't a fan of Trial and Error, but I did mostly like Everybody Hates Hitler and the RtT was decent.
Agreed. The ending scene in Sacrifice did not do much to explain Sam's reaction to Benny at all to me. I mean he hated Benny on sight.
ReplyDeleteOh, I wasn't aware. Yeah . . . it didn't quite work for me. I remember thinking, "Well, I guess they just randomly decided to throw Cas under the bus." I can't believe that was all planned.
ReplyDeleteAhh . . . yes . . . it slowly comes back to me. There's still a haze and/or cloudiness over the memory. Vampire-wraiths . . . is that a reference to those two evil kids S&D "rescued?"
ReplyDeleteYeah . . that's the part that doesn't make any sense. Why? He met Benny. He reached for his knife, which was understandable. Dean gave him a look that said, "stand down" so he does.
ReplyDeleteSam's a smart guy. Clearly, Dean is friendly w/Benny. That should mean something, but from that moment on, Sam seemed determined to MURDER Benny. Why? What did Benny do to him? What did Benny do to Dean other than help him survive Purgatory for which Sam should be eternally grateful since he was doing absolutely NOTHING topside to help out Dean?
Don't get me wrong. I also think Dean's choice to keep Benny a secret was just plain OOC, stupid, and irrational, but Sam's OTT reaction to Benny was simply ridiculous. What was his issue w/Benny? I guess we'll never know. At the end of the day, I considered it more bad, OOC writing for the purposes of contrived conflict/tension. We can't have enough of that, you know!
It has become increasingly harder - since S5 - for me to remember episode titles, the episode lineups, and what happened in the episodes. I'll go back and correct my other post :-)
ReplyDeleteYeah, I enjoyed ATGB, EHH, and T&E. I know a lot of people didn't like that bickering family but I loved them. I found them quite entertaining. I liked the way the country singer snarked at everyone, and I really enjoyed her banter w/her dad.
And you know me . . . I'm a sucker for schmoopy brother speeches, and we got TWO in one episode so I was in bi-bro girl HEAVEN! Hahaha! It's all about the brotherly bond.
Now, did Sam's speech really pan out . . . not really but I loved hearing it. Dean's as well. I no longer expect consistent, quality writing so I have to treasure the "broments" when I get them.
Vampire -wraiths were in the bar the Eve infected and everyone killed each other while she watched. Technically, only Ryan the younger brother was evil of the two when Dean and Sam met them. Eve made him a monster. Then Ryan infected his older brother and they both ganked their uncle before Crowley's demons ganked them.
ReplyDeleteActually it was Kripke who intended to "throw Cas under a bus" because he wanted Cas to stay dead in Swan Song. The only reason he didn't was because Sera Gamble begged him to keep Cas alive for season 6 and then she made Misha a contracted player on top of it. Personally I was with Kripke on this one.
ReplyDeleteI agree. He was very sympathetic and was hurting no-one; he was the one who had been offended.
ReplyDeleteAdd me to the don't like Charlie list also. Although on my don't like characters list she is above The Ghostfacers, but then so is everyone else.
ReplyDeleteShe was a little better in PMF than any of her previous episodes but I hated the fashion montage and didn't think the episode should have ended with her. That said, if I never saw her again, that would be fine with me.
ReplyDeleteI'm with Kripke too. Well, I think it was fine to heal Cas and for him to return to Heaven. I like Cas. I didn't want to see him dead. He should have remained in Heaven though and only returned on the rare occasion. The angel arc, IMO, needed to be concluded.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the summary! It's a shame I couldn't remember.
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't too bad. Both sites are well moderated so no one was too disrespectful. I just thought it was a silly debate. Did it really matter? And as someone who likes both brothers equally, I didn't have a stake in the argument. It was interesting though.
ReplyDeleteSisko was awesome!!!! And I loved Garek. And Odo! You should give it another try. Worf was added in the later seasons.
ReplyDeleteI will give it a try!
ReplyDeleteI loved House. He was such a jerk, but I liked him anyway. I was never a huge 13 fan though. She was okay.
ReplyDeleteYay!! I was right. I tend to enjoy episodes most online - at least - seem to hate like Route 666 (I adored Cassie/Dean), Bugs, M3: TR. Apart from the lame pointless Dean/Lisa drama, tge case was fine, IMO. I honestly never understood the hate for it online. But then there are episodes I find just okay that everyone else praises like DSOTM, WAB, DD GS.
ReplyDeleteI just wished Sam would've been the one to interact with Henry. I've always thought Sam followed in the footsteps of the Winchester family line, he's the most like John and seemed to be more like Henry, too. I'm sure people will bitch, saying I'm wanting Sammynatural, but it would've been more interesting to see Sam learn from Henry how hard it was to balance a normal life with his MOL life. Maybe they could've helped each other. Instead, it's 42 minutes of Dean ruling from the moral high ground over Henry. Sam ended up the hostage. Again.
ReplyDeleteJesus, I hated that montage! I just cannot stand anything dealing with her. And it irritated me she didn't know how to pronounce "Salina"! If she's supposed to be from Kansas, which is what this ep was suggesting, she should know that. Maybe FD just didn't know, but someone on the damn set should've been aware it's "Sa-LINE-a" and not "Sa-LEEN-a". I need to stop. Remembering Charlie/FD sets me off in away few others do. Just ... cannot STAND either one, the character or the person.
ReplyDeleteThe montage was completely asinine. Why would I want to want Dean watching someone trying on clothes? It was so pedestrian I thought I wandered into the wrong show by accident. Bad call and filler of the worst kind.
ReplyDeleteI have no problem with Felicia Day. I loved her in Dr. Horrible. However that clothing montage made the entire episode go down a full letter grade for me. Just terrible drivel and a waste of time.
ReplyDeleteI wished that Henry had died halfway through the episode so I wasn't at all heartbroken when he bit it in the end. He was smug, arrogant, and a complete clueless jerk most of the time. Talk about someone coming from the moral high ground. That was Henry to me. It became yet another episode where the guest star ended up being more of a focus than the brothers. In the end I was glad the episode happened because now the brothers have a home base again. I'm just glad I won't have to see Henry anymore as a result.
ReplyDeleteYou and are on the exact same page! My jaw was literally to the ground when that montage started. It was awful. It wasn't funny at all! Like you, I wondered if I was watching a different show. Definitely filler of the "worst" kind!
ReplyDeleteYeah . . . that montage was pretty awful! I must say that I could tolerate Charlie much better in PMF than Dragon Tattoo and LARP. After the lame montage concluded, the episode flowed pretty well.
ReplyDeleteI hear ya. I wish Sam had had more interaction w/HW. When Dean left, I was hoping Sam and Henry would start talking but, of course, they didn't.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. With exception of the pointless filler montage, I liked Pac-Man Fever. It's a little said though that the best character moment of the season was a secondary, recurring character.
ReplyDeleteI honestly believe it was written in so we could hear the song again. What kind of lame idea is that?
ReplyDeleteI don't remember the songs, but I do remember the ugly outfits. I just couldn't believe it was happening. I never in my life thought I'd see such a cliché, sappy montage on Supernatural. I thought the one in S6 w/Ben and Lisa was bad, but this one was even worse! At least we didn't get one for Sam/Amelia! Ugh.
ReplyDeleteThat's sad, isn't it? Charlie had the best character development of the entire season, and she's not even a main character.
ReplyDeleteDo you think Carver thinks Sam got a good story and good character development this year? I'm guessing he does, but he's so wrong! You know I loved that final talk in Sacrifice, but it didn't mesh well w/what came before it. What was Sam's journey this year?
Ha! That is a small blessing.
ReplyDelete- What was Sam's journey this year? -
ReplyDeleteTo the woodshed. To get spanked by everyone.
It was that annoying ass Katrina and the Waves song, "Walking on Sunshine". I hate that song even more now that it reminds me of Charlie.
ReplyDeleteI didn't have a problem with the song...until the montage. Killed it for me.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah . . . . . now I remember! I don't mind that song but isn't it usually in sappy montages like the Supernatural one? Is the classic rock gone forever? I'm assuming that's NOT a classic rock song.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely not. Katrina and the Waves were ska/British New Wave. Which I do love, I'm an 80s kid to the core, but that song was always annoying.
ReplyDeleteI read that Kripke had also intended to kill off Castiel and replace him with Anna in that horrid two-parter where Anna was introduced. So that way, they'd have their parallels with the brothers - one with the female angel on his shoulder and the other with the female demon. I think strong fan reaction to Castiel made Kripke decide to change the ending, so he didn't die. I wish Kripke would've stuck to "no angels on the show, EVER. it's not about that", but crap in one hand and wish in the other ...
ReplyDeleteI know, right? But we saw NO happy scenes btw Sam and Amelia so the lack of the montage is not surprising. There was nothing happening there.
ReplyDeleteThat sounds about right!
ReplyDeleteI just wonder if we were supposed to gain anything from Sam's time with her. That entire arc was pointless. What was the point of all that?
Ugh . . . . I hated Anna. She was awful. I'm actually happy it worked out the way it did. I stopped liking Anna when she remembered who she was, and I hated her chessy sex scene with Dean.
ReplyDeleteI hated that whole episode. The first part wasn't so bad, but the grace in a bottle and just ... UGH. I honestly sat there slack-jawed because I couldn't believe I was watching and episode of Supernatural. I fell asleep for about ten minutes in the to, too, so I never did see the cheesy sex scene. But I'm weird in that I don't care for sex scenes in shows/movies/whatever. Unless it's absolutely vital to moving the plot along, I don't want to see it.
ReplyDeleteI'm beginning to think they did it to have some sort of story to tell for Sam for flashbacks and tie it into the lame "Sam didn't look" storyline. They were all, "Well what would Sam be doing if he weren't looking for Dean?" Then someone else goes, "I know, he can be banging this chick who is emotionally unavailable because of her unresolved issues with her dead husband. But, surprise, he'll turn up to not really be dead!" I often sit around and wonder if that's not how things go down in the writers room. A few instances, I think someone does bring in the Panama Red, though. The only way to explain some of the crap going on the past four or five seasons.
ReplyDeleteYeah . . . . I wish I could have been in the writers' room when that lame story was being tossed around. I just someone who cared about Sam had been around to object or at least flesh out the story a bit. This season was such a mess!
ReplyDeleteI Know What You Did Last Summer / Heaven and Hell is the turning point for me when season 4 itself went to hell. From that point until Ruby finally died is my least favorite part of Supernatural....well, except maybe for season 8. It probably surpassed season 4 in that it made me quit SPN, but I'd have to rewatch it to be sure. Anyway, I join in the no need for sex scenes in Supernatural though. I also don't need the brothers shirtless. I'm good with great storytelling and usually sex scenes don't add anything there.
ReplyDeleteI don't love or hate Anna. She was just there for me. I do think she was one of the smartest angels though. The problem was that she was yet another angel and by this point I was tired of all of them. I wanted them all to go.
ReplyDeleteNeither brother has a character journey this year. Both brothers got spanked by the writers when they bothered to remember that they were supposed to be crucial to the show. Dean got Purgatory. Sam got the trials. They both were poorly treated throughout the season. It wasn't just Sam.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to see someone who cares about Sam AND Dean AND making the brotherly relationship a brotherly relationship again. I don't care about the co-dependency because I think that they should be working to overcome that. Just not at the expense of the characterization for one or both of the leads. Because Dean's just been downright MEAN in the past few seasons. And Sam, they ultimately use him as a plot device, not as a character. They put Sam into situations where he's the cause and leaves Dean to react to that cause. It's not a character at the center of the story, it's a plot device. That must be why it seems to so many people "Sam gets all of the SLs". Seriously, read the definition for it - it fits Sam to a T, almost since the beginning to the series.
ReplyDeleteI don't mind a good sex scene (hahaha), but the one with Anna was just bad. H&H has never been an episode I've rewatched in its entirety. I only enjoyed certain parts of it.
ReplyDeleteLike you, I greatly enjoyed the beginning when Uriel and Castiel busted in the room to grab Anna. The next part I liked was Uriel and Dean's conversation where Uriel gave Dean an ultimatum. And then I really loved the very last scene with Dean's confession on the Impala.
From what I recall, there was no chemistry btw Dean and Anna. He hadn't been flirting with her or doing anything to catch her eye. I rememberthem talking and her essentially but not literally saying, "Hey....wanna have sex?" Dean may as well have shrugged his shoulders and said, "Sure. Why not? I'm not doing anything else." Haha!
That's how their sex scene played too me - chessy and boring. It makes me happy we never got Samelia sex scene. The aftermth was torture so I'm sure the actual scene wouldn't have been much better.
Cas, Anna and the Angel/Demon arc is the very reason season 4 is my favorite season. Supernatural became my favorite series with the pilot, and I did not think I could love it any stronger, but s4 made an already awesome show even better....for me. Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here so the other side would be heard from. ;)
ReplyDeleteI LOVED Dean getting a slice of Angel food cake and that big back seat in Baby being used. lol
ReplyDeleteI liked that LINE by Uriel. Can't say I enjoyed the actual scene.
ReplyDeleteLike I said below, I don't recall Dean and Anna, or rather the actors, having any chemistry, IMO. The sex came out of nowhere as I hadn't seen even a single hint that Dean was remotely interested in having sex w/her. She just brought it up randomly, and they next think you know, they're having sex. It just didn't work for me.
Since Sam had had sex w/a demon in the previous episode, they wanted Dean to have sex w/an angel in the next episode. I think that's all the thought that was put into that scene.
I don't think either of those episodes (IKWYDLS and H&H) was particularly strong, and while I continued to enjoy S4, those episodes aren't my faves.
ReplyDeleteAs usual, Sam's time apart was focused more on a recurring star than Sam (see 1st half of S8 as further evidence) and didn't address the more interesting parts of Sam's summer like the blood drinking.
H&H was just. . . . cheesy. For me, the only redeeming aspects of H&H were the beginning, Uriel's conversation w/Dean, and the end w/Sam and Dean on the Impala. That's it. I HATED Anna w/a passion. She was more interesting when she was a psycho in a mental ward. I can't remember what, if any, role Ruby played but I hated GP's interpretation of Ruby so I know it was a huge FAIL in my eyes. I preferred KC's Ruby. To me, H&H is only good for the three scenes, esp. the last one, I noted above.
That's cool. I can't change what the show became. At least some of fandom liked it. :)
ReplyDeleteFor me a large part of why I like LARP and the Real Girl is because the brothers get to have a moment of fun together and it felt like we might see an end to the incessant brother rift. No brother sniping alone is enough to boost an episode in season 8 for me.
ReplyDeleteI so agree with you on It's a Terrible Life. That episode was a breath of fresh air and way undervalued in the fandom. This one did an excellent job with being an alternate universe too. Still What is and What Should Never Be is my favorite alternate universe episode.
ReplyDeleteMommy Dearest quotes: This was a great episode. I love the fact that the brothers were smart and that Crowley was, of course, still alive. It was an added bonus to get Samantha Smith back, even though I hate when the bad guys use Mary as a weapon against the brothers.
ReplyDelete15. Eve: "Phoenix ash…I'm impressed. I bet you had to go a long way for that." Dean: "You have no idea."
14. Dean: "Phoenix ash, one shell, one ounce of whiskey…down the hatch. Little musty on the after burn. Call you later Mom."
13. Dean: "Been a long time. You remember us?" Lenore: "I remember. Your hunter friend almost killed me." Sam: "Well if it makes you feel any better…uh, he turned into a vampire and I chopped his head off." Dean: "Yeah, with razor wire. Wicked."
12. Dean: "Beat me with a hanger, answer's still no."
11. Bobby: "Shifters usually run in families. This looks like an infection. Nobody touched nothing?" Dean: "Well I am bathing in Purell tonight."
10. Crowley: "Really Cas, this is getting ridiculous. How many times am I going to have to clean up your messes?"
9. Dean: "Is there anybody in this diner that is not a flesh-eating monster?" Sam: "Uh…me and you."
8. Sam: "You know what we really need is an inside man." Dean: "What do you mean?" Sam: "Something with claws and sympathy."
7. Dean: "Well I was expecting more Zombieland, less Pleasantville."
6. Bobby: "That's the plan?" Dean: "Yeah, pretty much." Bobby: "Well at least it ain't complicated."
5. Bobby: "Alright, I finally got the police database, no thanks to this. I asked for a computer." Sam: "It is a computer." Bobby: "No, a computer has buttons."
4. Eve: "Relax, I'm not here to fight." Dean: "No, just to rally every freak on the planet. Bring in Khan worms and…and half-a** spidermen…and dragons. Really sister? Dragons?" Eve: "So I dusted off some of the old classics. I needed help."
3. Dean: "Alright look, for the last few months we've been working for an evil d**. We're not about to sign up for an evil b**. We don't work with demons. We don't work with monsters…and if that means you've got to kill us, then kill us!"
2. Bobby: "Well congrats. You discovered it. You get to name it." Dean: "Jefferson Starships…because they're horrible and hard to kill."
1. Dean: "Bite me."
There is no way it will win but I am pleasantly surprised that it made it to the finals. I thought I would have to stop voting by the third round for sure. I'm glad there are so many Charlie fans.
ReplyDeleteI never expect anyone to agree with me. I am glad you liked season 8 and I hope you will be even more pleased with season 9.
ReplyDeleteHa, the Star Trek quote gets me now since I've been really interested in that lately and now know about the whales. Though I haven't watched much of the original, mostly it's The Next Generation and the latest movies. I just can't quite get used to the props and acting style. It was all so different then, obviously.
ReplyDeletePac-Man Fever was definitely the superior Charlie episode and for me I would say it was the best episode of the season. There was so much right with that episode that I felt like I was watching an episode from seasons 1-7. That's the highest compliment I can give it this year.
ReplyDeleteFor me it doesn't matter if the episode is standalone or mytharc. It matters more that I connect to it and want to rewatch it over and over again. My top 10 will be a mix of standalone and mytharc episodes. After all, Faith and What is and What Should Never Be are both standalones, but I have watched them both upwards of 200 times and still find them just as awesome as the first time.
I felt very sorry for the phoenix too. I always wondered why they had to kill him. If phoenix's rise from their own ahses, couldn't they have at least asked him to burn himself and then rise himself back up? It would have been worth a conversation at least. As for Cas, I remain very suspicious. Why couldn't he get another angel to do it? It's all hinky to me. I get that Cas was underjuiced. I just don't get why the ONLY solution was for him to siphon off Bobby's soul.
ReplyDeleteThat makes sense. I agree that the standalones in season 8 were particularly bad for the most part. I thought season 7 standlones were mostly better than it's mytharc ones, especially at the end. I am quite fond of season 7 because of the standalones.
ReplyDeleteNow that was a refreshing change. I just wish they hadn't negated the entire season to do it.
ReplyDeleteI was sad to see Lenore go too. She was a complex character and could have been like a Charlie in the SPN universe....someone we know enough about to care but who only comes in a few times a season.
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