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POLL : What did you think of Teen Wolf - Chaos Rising?

Jun 11, 2013

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19 comments:

  1. Samantha PetrelliJune 11, 2013 at 4:17 AM

    This episode was completely AMAZING!!!

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  2. klutzy_girlJune 11, 2013 at 4:36 AM

    This was better than the premiere, tbh. I loved it so much. Laughed a few times. Erica's not dead. Calling it now!


    And oh God, Cora and Derek's voice when he saw her and I can't even. (LOL at Laura and Cora Hale. He got left out of the rhyming!)

    Cannot wait for next week!

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  3. patriotfallJune 11, 2013 at 4:46 AM

    Soooo was that Erica or Heather in the room with Allison? God damn, Jeff Davis just loves to mess with us. Anyways, great episode!

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  4. Cory SkeltonJune 11, 2013 at 5:14 AM

    Not quite as good as the premiere but I still loved it. What the hell is up with the counselor? Hm. Overall a very very solid episode I wish it was next Monday already.

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  5. curly215June 11, 2013 at 5:18 AM

    There was a picture of Erica on set so she's not dead.

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  6. AmanpreetJune 11, 2013 at 5:24 AM

    great episode and bye to Erica good luck to Gage

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  7. Cory SkeltonJune 11, 2013 at 6:38 AM

    That could have been her on set to play the corpse of Erica but if they can up with a legitimate explanation I'm so down for Erica coming back.

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  8. prpleightJune 11, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    Well, that's not good. Two half starved werewolves on the loose in Beacon Hills cannot possibly be good. :-)


    Really liked the episode. I laughed quite a lot. We have another great comedic team... Stiles and Peter. I do like that Derek is trying to grow up and be a good Alpha.


    I knew it was gonna happen but I hated that it happened....and that was that the girl Stiles was about to hook up with (sorry, can't remember her name) was going to disappear in such a way that he'd thing he'd been blown off. Come ON People! Give Stiles a romantic break! :-)

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  9. InvestedInYourFutureJune 11, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    Really pissed off at how they are treating Allison while at the same time whitewashing Derek.

    DId show SERIOUSLY imply that a young teenage girl grieving for her mother's death is way worse than an irresponsible incompetent Alpha going around turning teenagers into monsters? SERIOUSLY? Allison Argent does not owe you anything, show. Her actions were understandable and human and the fact that show treats her this way while ignoring everything Derek did is not sounding good


    Add to it the horribly stupid way they stuffed Erica into the fridge, so to say and this episode is very upsetting in terms of sexism...

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  10. Ereth ReetnithJune 11, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    Allison IS a great character and i think she deserves to know what exactly happened with her mother; that won't turn her grief worthless or make her at fault.

    i don't think they're whitewashing Derek, he's trying, and sometimes (a lot of times) failing, he's as fallible as the next person.

    And the 'they' that stuffed Erica into the fridge, within the context of the story, is the Alpha pack, and we're supposed to see it as awful and see them as the bad guys so...

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  11. InvestedInYourFutureJune 11, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    Yes, but the way they are handling Erica is very disgusting in itself - they did not even get the actress for the death, they just went "oh by they way she's dead, bye" and that's no doubt because of fan pandring due to hate sexist parts of fandom spewed during S2.



    As for Allison - there' s notable diference with how the show handles Allison compared to Matt(who got a sobstory), Peter(who is accepted by the show even though he has no remorse for what he did) or Derek(it seems everyone already forgot about him trying to kill Lydia).



    Allison's "Sins"(I would not even call them that) are miniscule in comparison to those people, yet show demonizes what she did by arguing that Derek turning people into monsters is less worse than ALlison grieving for her mother? That's not right.

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  12. Ereth ReetnithJune 11, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    eeemmm, but we don't know that, do we? the story of Erica's 'death' will continue next ep. maybe she's not even dead!

    and, i'm sorry, but i can't see the show's point of view about it. what i 'see' is a revolving point of view from character to character.

    Matt thought, from his point of view, that he had a right to what he did, we saw the 'sobstory' by his point of view. the rest of the characters did not agree with that giving him an valid excuses for serial killing, nor did the story itself. one might even argue that the story did paint him clearly as a villain giving him a terrible death (alone, out of his control, nobody backing him up, not even his pet kanima who just stood and watched, his death having no emotional impact on any other character, lacking meaning or resolution) and before that, within the story, he was already turning into a kanima himself. what i saw was the show portraying him as an out of control, delusional, unstable killer.

    Peter now? Who accepts Peter in the show? as Derek said in ep2 'we don't like you, now shut up and help'. Derek is in no way shown to have forgiven him for killing Laura. Lydia is not shown to have forgiven him for using her like that. Scott is not shown to have forgiven him for the bite and trying to make him kill his friends. Nobody's expecting them to. Nor is the story vilifying them for not forgiving Peter. Instead the story gives them 'right' for using Peter in return (Derek so far is using him for his knowledge and that's that). Peter himself doesn't expect them to forgive him or excuse him. And i was under the impression that most of the fan-base loves to hate him.

    Derek now? Nobody forgot about him trying to kill Lydia. He is often referred to, within the confines of the story, and by other characters, as a failure of a leader. That doesn't mean that should stop one from recognizing some good qualities in him though (he was willing to risk his life, and forfeit it, if it meant he could save Erica and Boyd. and i think in s03e01 it's mentioned that he's spent months trying to find them and never giving up). At the point he was trying to kill Lydia, he was certain she was the kanima and thus an enemy. He is willing to kill his enemies to protect his people. Yes, he was wrong, but from his point of view, his motivation was justified.

    Exact same thing for Allison. Boyd and Erica had spilled no human blood so according to their own code, the hunters, any hunters, not just Allison, had no right to hunt them down and attack. Allison, in her grief and mourning, was manipulated by Gerard and he is portrayed as quite the monster, regardless of species. From her point of view, her actions r justified, doesn't mean those actions weren't wrong.

    I don't know why but i don't see what u're saying. I see the show giving the story, the same decisions and actions, from different points of view.

    the show showed, through Derek's eyes, Derek thinking he's doing the right thing hunting Lydia and right after, through Scott's, Allison's, and Stiles' eyes, that he's being monstrous and would probably deserve an arrow in the head. the show showed me through Allison's eyes that she's trying to handle her grief and protect others from such a grief by hunting what she now perceives as monsters, and then it showed me Erica's, Boyd's and Derek's point of view, them being hurt and scared to be considered monsters and thus worthy of being hunted down.

    PS Derek is NOT turning people into monsters, is he? He's turning people into werewolves. Werewolves, in the specific context of this show, r just another species, a subspecies under the classification of humans (i may be using wrong terminology here; english is not my first language)

    ps sorry this is so long...

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  13. AlexJune 11, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    Preach it!

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  14. InvestedInYourFutureJune 11, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    Oh yes, they are totally treated equally, that's why Derek just victim-blamed Lydia, ignoring that the culprit is Peter.



    That also must be why the show thinks that killing countless people out of revenge/ego is equal to shooting some arrows in grief.



    That also must be why Male members of Derek's pack survived while female one died offscreen to give some angst to the males.



    Totally Equal.~

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  15. sashafeinJune 11, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    So amazing, and so much Peter!!

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  16. Jill St. CyrJune 12, 2013 at 12:53 AM

    makes me wonder if lydia's original audition involved a lot of screaming lol

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  17. MatthewJune 12, 2013 at 8:59 AM

    Coach and Peter Hale scenes. Excellent.


    Greenburg got a mention, so he was that class up to no good per usual.

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  18. EloJune 13, 2013 at 2:12 AM

    I really doubt anyone knows that Lydia was possessed by Peter to be honest. I really think they all thought she was becoming mad because of what happened with Peter at the end of the 1st season. The problem in this show is that non of the characters actually really communicate, they all knows things, are living things but don't particularly share with each other, for a question of trust, shame or because they're simply scared.
    And how Derek is supposed to know that Lydia was a victim and was used by Peter, if he's never in contact with her or no one would care to tell him about it.
    The same goes with Allison, how was she supposed to know her mother was about to kill Scott and Derek bite her to save him, so basically she killed herself after one of her plan turning bad if no one told her. I think only four people knew about it: Derek, Scott, Stiles and Deaton. Derek isn't her friend and she wouldn't have believed him, Stiles is Scott's best friend and if Scott told him to say nothing he won't, Deaton has better thing to do than being part of a teenage drama and finally Scott, I understand that he wanted to protect her feelings and he had good intentions but it wasn't the wisest thing to do.
    I like all of the characters, but I don't get the need of people in general to reduce a character A to make character B looks better. If you like a character more than another that's your opinion, I don't understand why you should always try to explain why you prefer that character or another character.
    Derek and Allison are their faults and made mistakes like all the other characters, I can understand why people love them or hate them, but I can't see myself be all bitchy just because they are receiving some hate for good or stupid reasons. If it doesn't make sense to me, I'll simply ignore it.

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  19. Ereth ReetnithApril 8, 2014 at 5:55 AM

    but that is Derek's point of view, not the show's. and Derek can have any opinion he wants; i don't expect any character to be a saint or always right. i suppose Derek blames Lydia and maybe even Scott for not helping him get Peter sooner, Lydia blames Peter AND Derek for not stopping Peter sooner, Chris Argent blames all of them, Scott blames Peter etc etc
    1. they were not countless. 2. if we accept grief as carte blance for anything a character does, then Peter is totally justified in killing everyone he did kill in his grief of losing his family because of them. But i'm not willing to absolve Peter. And i'm not willing to absolve Allison either. Grief does not justify one lashing out to people around them. I could also point out that the people Peter killed had directly hurt him vs. the people Allison hurt had not done anything to her. There is no 'just some arrows'. One can't just have permission to wound and hurt as long as they don't kill. It's torture and two wrongs don't make one right.

    I shall need a larger sample than the three members of the pack to make a decision on that. And i still can't b sure that Erica is dead. i hope she's not.
    In general i'm having awesome fun watching a show with imperfect characters being occasionally assholes basing decisions and actions in faulty logic and suspect motives :D i would find a show where every character was flawless and all their actions politically correct and morally right, utterly boring.

    i liked Erica even when she hit Stiles on the head with a car part! i liked her going on a powertrip when she first turned. i liked her being a smug 'bitch' to all those who had shunned her before! i liked her for all these, not despite them! i think it made her a more well rounded character, more real, instead of a papercut 2dimentional copy of what an empowered female character should be. i liked Allison not giving a fuck and going on her 'revenge' binge in her grief, not despite it! she is there as Allison Argent, a three dimensional character in a fictional universe and if she were always morally right, she'd b fake.
    should a story be written on the basis of 'equality'? or 'drama'? or something else? should it combine them? should an interesting subplot happen based on...what? i'm not sure. i'm not really a 'writer'. i know though that when i write, i think in terms of storytelling and having an emotional impact on the reader, telling something interesting, leading them somewhere they did not expect, maybe showing them a point of view they haven't considered themselves, and taking into account the characters. would character x react like that? i can't 'betray' characterization for anything else. yes, Derek blamed Lydia, but that is consistent with his character, with who he is (and also with the fact he was trying to make a point to Scott, which was consistent with narratology at that moment). i would hardly expect him to stop and think if Lydia is really to blame or not. That wouldn't be Derek. Derek is broken, and faulty and weak at some things, and strong in some others, i do not expect him to think clearly.

    actually what i find kinda weird is him saying in the first ep thanks to Scott for pulling that plan in the last ep of s2. that was weird. i read an interesting analysis somewhere about victims blaming themselves in conjuncture with that ep though and it was fascinating.

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