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POLL : What did you think of Game of Thrones - The Rains of Castamere?

Jun 3, 2013

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101 comments:

  1. laura3341June 3, 2013 at 2:59 AM

    Wow! This has to sink in,good lord it was brutal....

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  2. DarqueModeJune 3, 2013 at 2:59 AM

    *Prepares ancks and beverages and awaits non-readers comments*


    The wedding.... the bedding... and then the deading....

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  3. patriotfallJune 3, 2013 at 3:00 AM

    OH MY GOD I have no words! As someone who has never read the books I WAS SCREAMING AT THE TV FOR 3 MINUTES MY MOUTH WAS ON THE FLOOR! IAM SHAKING RIGHT NOW afl;sjdfhkjsdhfkjhsdkfhsdfKJADSFKJ NO WORDS

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  4. MeatyStakesJune 3, 2013 at 3:02 AM

    *dead*


    *like the Starks*


    I can't believe that they managed to kill Ned again.

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  5. Paula IreriJune 3, 2013 at 3:07 AM

    I'm just breathless. What an amazing show is Game of Thrones. That last scene, the last minutes of it. Just wow. Amazing acting, music, cinematography, everything. Well adapted, it was just as I imagined in the books. Emmy-worthy scene. Awesome, incredible, epic...!!!!

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  6. nobodyJune 3, 2013 at 3:13 AM

    Just finish watching Game of Thrones. The last act of the episode........................DAMN! NUFF SAID! 4 THE HONOR!!!

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  7. downtorioJune 3, 2013 at 3:16 AM

    PERFECT. Man, I've been waiting so long for this episode and that last scene and it was everything I hoped it would be. Uuuggghh, just perfectly executed, perfectly acted, perfect everything.

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  8. actionjunkieJune 3, 2013 at 3:16 AM

    Another episode under 50 minutes. But damn they sure packed a punch in that ~48 minutes. Not sure I like how the Starks went out with no knowledge of Bran/Ricon/Arya/Sansa... did they really hae to leave the land of the living with absolutely nothing... no hope?

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  9. Susan ♛June 3, 2013 at 3:17 AM

    Just amazingly done.

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  10. Susan ♛June 3, 2013 at 3:17 AM

    That's the George RR Martin way. LOL

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  11. Laura N.June 3, 2013 at 3:18 AM

    I'm one of the books readers, but dayum! That was brutal and I was still screaming "NOOOOOOOOOO" at my screen.

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  12. downtorioJune 3, 2013 at 3:19 AM

    AAHH PERFECT. Man, I've been waiting so long for this episode and that last scene and it was everything I hoped it would be. Just perfectly acted, perfectly executed, perfect everything.

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  13. DarqueModeJune 3, 2013 at 3:23 AM

    Honestly, I'm not certain how I feel about this episode as far as ranking it...
    It was effectively brutal... traumatic even!


    However some of the pacing felt off to me and I think more time should have been devoted to the Twins and the wedding. Seeing the Stark tents on fire, seeing Greywind react on arrival, seeing the Greatjon Umber actually battle the Boltons/ Freys. I miss many parts from the scenes in the books honestly. The series did capture the brutality of the books, but something was off for me personally...


    Love the fight scene inside Yunkai and must admit, of the 3 warriors fighting the Yunkai guards, Grey Worm was the most bad ass!! (Sorry Daario and Jorah)


    I also did not like Ygritte protecting Jon. It is so diametrically opposed to her actions in the books. It does not work for me at all.


    I loved the Hound and Arya scenes!!!
    Her threatening the Hound was a very painful death was almost charming, but when she complained about how brutal he was and then without a though knocked the pig farmer out for the second time... CLASSIC! XD


    Bran going over to the dark side was powerful and I think may be overlooked with the ending being so traumatic. To me though this was the turning point from thinking Bran as on a heroic quest to Bran being maneuvered down a dark path. Warging into humans is some dark mojo!


    Over all this was a very effective episode, but not awesome and not one of my favorites storytelling wise. I respect the effectiveness of the brutality of the Red Wedding though. Simply brutal and gut wrenching.

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  14. mikey3046June 3, 2013 at 3:24 AM

    I've never read the books. With that said, HOLY SH*T!!! The whole episode, I'm thinking Arya is going to reunite with Rob and Mom, I can't wait! Then BAM! I'm going to be depressed all day at work tomorrow!

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  15. DarqueModeJune 3, 2013 at 3:27 AM

    I felt that way for a split second as I watched Arya stare at The Twins in hope and fear....
    And I have read the books numerous times! XD


    That scene was just so well done that she pulled you into how she felt no matter if you knew what was coming or not!

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  16. LocomiaJune 3, 2013 at 3:28 AM

    Was the pig farmer G.R.R.Martin o was that my imagination? xD

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  17. Paula IreriJune 3, 2013 at 3:28 AM

    I loved her performance.

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  18. Dominick GraceJune 3, 2013 at 3:46 AM

    What, no Tyrion?????

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  19. Dominick GraceJune 3, 2013 at 3:46 AM

    ... and then the reheading? Think they'll go there?

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  20. Dominick GraceJune 3, 2013 at 3:47 AM

    My wife screamed "Oh my God!" Screamed.

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  21. Dominick GraceJune 3, 2013 at 3:49 AM

    lol! Not nearly portly enough to be GRRM.

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  22. DarqueModeJune 3, 2013 at 3:53 AM

    I am not sure....
    After this brutal episode I do not doubt they could go there...
    After the events in the episodes I'm not sure they NEED to go there though honestly!


    I mean,... um... they managed to kill Ned again!!!
    Did not see that coming.....

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  23. Dominick GraceJune 3, 2013 at 4:10 AM

    Agreed re: the Ygritte stuff. And then to have Jon just abandon her, presumably to get us back to the book's trajectory, just ... douchey.
    It did feel rather rushed to me as well, especially odd since they could have had several more minutes' screentime to play with had they chosen. Some pretty big plot elements from the book (IIRC) have been jettisoned (did Robb name an heir? not that I noticed) or cut back so much they're barely recognizeable.

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  24. DarqueModeJune 3, 2013 at 4:17 AM

    The song " Heir to Winterfell" is part of the Season 3 soundtrack so a lot of people assumed Robb would name Jon the heir like in the books.

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  25. Pablo TroncosoJune 3, 2013 at 4:19 AM

    It's still sinking in... it was the heck of an episode, an awesome one, but... but... NOOO!!! Robb and Catlyn :'(

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  26. Jessica PitmanJune 3, 2013 at 4:33 AM

    The look on Ygritte's face when Jon abandoned her was heartbreaking

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  27. magnutudeJune 3, 2013 at 4:43 AM

    wow. even though I knew what was coming it's been some time since I've read the book and thought that the sequence was so much larger in the book or imagined it in my head whilst reading it, but the ep was executed quite effectively nonetheless - capturing the sheer brutality/horror of the red wedding... Well done episode! GRRM needs to get writing on the final 2(?) books soon, cause I need to know that certain individuals will get their come uppance! lol

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  28. Lissie_BeeJune 3, 2013 at 4:57 AM

    What just... I don't even... I can't even... I think I need some time to process this. WTF?! On so many levels. The worst part was the stomach stabbing that started the whole massacre. I may or may not have clutched mine in sympathy for mothers everywhere. And the lack of music in the credits was haunting.

    That nasty business aside, I enjoyed moments in the first part of the episode immensely. Especially Arya's talks with the Hound and Bran coming into his gift. But dear Lord... where do we go from here?

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  29. ShatteredOneJune 3, 2013 at 5:03 AM

    Loved the Arya/Hound scenes, Bran was actually interesting for once this season, and got some great fight sequences with Jon vs. the Wildings and Jorah/Grey Worm/Daario vs. the city. Jorah kicks major ass! The actor (his name is escaping me at the moment) portrayed pride and exuberance in telling Dany that the plan had worked, only to turn that look to heartache when Dany asked of Daario, phenomenal acting right there.

    And... that's not even mentioning Michelle Fairley as Catelyn in her absolute horror and dread in the final act. I may not have read the books but I've known of the Red Wedding, and God it was more brutal seeing it with knowing what was to happen than I anticipated. GRRM is not afraid of killing off the characters, and while I like the realism in the twists and turns and betrayals of human nature, I also hate that favorite characters get killed off.

    Can you all join me in a resounding... Fuck the Freys!

    For me now it goes (for who I hate the most and who I look forward to dying the most): Joffrey, The Freys, Cersei, Tywin, and Littlefinger.

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  30. João PauloJune 3, 2013 at 5:08 AM

    The best episode of the season and my love of this series ends here. Sorry GoT don't have my love anymore.

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  31. start_wearing_purpleJune 3, 2013 at 5:13 AM

    I'm just going to come out and say it. Ned and Robb Stark were both idiots. They seemed to have this unflinching belief that people in the end will be honorable despite all the evidence to the contrary. Both have been basically stabbed in the back while they were in the belly of their respective beasts.


    I had heard the term Red Wedding before associated with the books but didn't quite know what it was. That said, good name and I'm willing to bet those who actually read the books were pleased with the portrayal. The touch about Robb's wife being pregnant was a particularly cruel touch.

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  32. tsavonglah08June 3, 2013 at 5:16 AM

    Direwolf-pups for all...oh wait that was only in my dreams.

    I hope I haven't raised your expectations too much...but yeah if you don't know by now you should NEVER get attached to any of GRRM's characters, you will be a lost cause.

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  33. tsavonglah08June 3, 2013 at 5:17 AM

    hehehe, besides the snacks and beverages (at 5am) I felt the same.

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  34. tsavonglah08June 3, 2013 at 5:17 AM

    Game Over, Ned...GAME OVER!! :D

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  35. tsavonglah08June 3, 2013 at 5:20 AM

    Only a few more days...that track should be one of the highlights of the soundtrack.

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  36. Yuki PapJune 3, 2013 at 5:25 AM

    Oh, just wait . . . don't leave yet . . .

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  37. mikey3046June 3, 2013 at 5:28 AM

    I originally felt the same way. I love Catelyn and when she died, I had this feeling like the show is over, but I also felt the same way when Ned died. Then I started thinking of all the other characters I also love and will continue their journeys along with them. That last scene was up there as an emotional train wreck on par with a few episodes of 24.

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  38. João PauloJune 3, 2013 at 5:29 AM

    Ok, but I'm still mad.

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  39. DarqueModeJune 3, 2013 at 5:29 AM

    I think most were pleased despite the Red Wedding playing out somewhat differently than in the books.

    For one, Talisa being at the wedding and pregnant. In the books Robb's wife was kept back at Riverrun with the Blackfish. Also, it was never officially mentioned in the books that she was pregnant. So it was more horrific and brutal to see her killed there.
    RIP Ned II.

    A few things were missing from the books though.
    -When arriving at the Twins Grey Wind acts nervous and growls at the Freys trying to warn Robb not to go in. I understand why they cut that... too heavy on foreshadowing maybe.
    - During the slaughter Robb's banner men actually fight in the books. The Greatjon (Clive Mantel in Season 1) takes on 8 men at once before being over powered despite being drunk.
    - Grey Wind takes out a few Frey men before being killed.
    - Catelyn in horror and madness scratches at her own face after seeing Robb killed.
    - In the books the drums kept playing. So we felt that drumbeat of horror and tension as we read.

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  40. Nick ScryerJune 3, 2013 at 5:57 AM

    Amazing. That is all.

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  41. Luana ArturiJune 3, 2013 at 6:36 AM

    Brutal! So sad Robb died, and shocking to see them stabb his wife, I have to say I'm a bit happy about Catelyn dying, I never liked her. Also I'm very dissapointed with Jon, one of his best qualities is his honor and I thought he wouldn't betray Ygrite

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  42. MurderMondaysJune 3, 2013 at 6:40 AM

    Cat's last 'line' is what made me tear up and throw the book. I was very annoyed that wasn't in the show.

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  43. Jorge Castro SalinasJune 3, 2013 at 7:07 AM

    Loved this episode, although they should have kept key details of the Red Wedding from the books, such as the constant drum-beat, which just showed the tension of the scene. Also, Cat scratching her face as Robb died. The Talisa-pregnant thing was a nice touch, brutal actually, but it worked. I hope the show Grey Wind's head sewed into Robb's body on the next episode.

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  44. LockeUpJune 3, 2013 at 7:13 AM

    Oh I'm sure they will. Hoping it's the opening scene for next week.

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  45. DarqueModeJune 3, 2013 at 7:14 AM

    In the books,Jeyne Westerling (Robb's Wife) was never really stated as being pregnant as far as I recall. I never understood why people thought she was pregnant honestly. I thought they went out of their way to dispell any pregnancy rumors honestly when her mother asked for a Lannister escort to monitor her for two years ensuring she was not kidnapped by Northern bannerman and to show that she had no children by Robb.


    Some people may have seen clues, but I missed them if there were any.

    Plus in the books it was quite a bit different since Jeyne Westerling's father was one of the conspirators behind the Red Wedding along with Roose Bolton, Tywin Lannister, Walder Frey and a few others... . Knowing her dad was partly responsible she went into mourning. The Lannisters eventually sent her back to her dad as a favor for their part in setting up Robb.

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  46. Jorge Castro SalinasJune 3, 2013 at 7:15 AM

    By the way, Jorah Mormont is now a certified badass.

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  47. DarqueModeJune 3, 2013 at 7:22 AM

    I missed the drum beat a lot as I watched, and I missed Robb's bannerman actually fighting back a lot! Also agreed on Talisa's pregnancy and death... Brutal.

    Catelyn scratching her face off I knew would not make the show though...
    I thought the long still and silent seconds before she had her throat sliced was awkward, but.... I think they attempted to show her mental snap by her going catatonic instead.



    The silence at the end during the credits worked for me though! Brilliant choice.

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  48. Jason ParrishJune 3, 2013 at 9:44 AM

    Congratulations Walder Frey. You have done the impossible and surpassed Joffrey as one of the most hated characters in fiction within the span of one episode.

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  49. tsavonglah08June 3, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    Like they did with Ned's head and the bloody blade of Ice.

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  50. tsavonglah08June 3, 2013 at 9:50 AM

    I think the Freys (Walder in particular) trump even the sadistic Joffrey. Even now I'm hoping to hear of his demise in the books.

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  51. tsavonglah08June 3, 2013 at 9:56 AM

    Yeah, having re-read those chapters now, many more signs are given that something HORRIBLE will happen at the Twins. This way it becomes much more surprising in the show. But I really noticed Lame Lothar in the scenes during the feast, very nice background action that actor got to do so you could get a slight baaad feeling. Of course especially when he closes the doors. I also missed a bit more of resistance from the Stark bannerman, like how Dacey Mormont went, but well...

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  52. tsavonglah08June 3, 2013 at 9:57 AM

    It was more like an inner-thought about Ned liking her hair. I can see when they didn't let her say that aloud.

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  53. tsavonglah08June 3, 2013 at 9:59 AM

    As far as I remember Jayne's mother gave her the Westeros version of contraception so she wouldn't get pregnant. All orchestrated of course by Tywin.

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  54. start_wearing_purpleJune 3, 2013 at 10:00 AM

    Frey is a psychotic dirty old man who ordered a massacre out of vengeance and probably money and favor from the Lannisters. Joffrey is a delusional teenage sexual sadist with a god complex and on the road to being a serial killer. I'd say Joffrey is still on the top of the most hated ladder.

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  55. tsavonglah08June 3, 2013 at 10:01 AM

    2 Weeks ago after Second Sons aired I was thinking how they would musically close this episode. Since The Rains of Castamere played at the feat my money was first on the sad Winterfell/Stark Theme closely followed by utter silence. Was a good choice to let people scramble their exploding heads.

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  56. tsavonglah08June 3, 2013 at 10:02 AM

    YES!! Finally non-book readers (or those who haven't gotten that far), know that there always is someone to surpass in loathsomeness.

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  57. tsavonglah08June 3, 2013 at 10:04 AM

    Depends on the personal opinion who is first. But as long as both are in the top 2 spots, all is fine.

    How do you feel about Roose Bolton now? Has he betrayed Robb because he saw the Northerners can't win, or because Robb didn't let him flay some prisoners back in Season2?

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  58. DngnRdrJune 3, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    I was wrecked most by the death of the direwolf... another one down :(

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  59. start_wearing_purpleJune 3, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    I don't think it's about personal opinion more than how you view everything as a whole. I haven't read the books so I can't gauge the characters as well as you, but I've kinda been looking at characters partially in how they view and seek power, in other words how they actually play the game.

    In my eyes Frey betraying Robb was personal but also was meant as a personal power play. Joffrey on the other hand is a pawn who believes he's a king. So to me they're different animals, Frey is cold and calculating and Joffrey is a monster. As for Bolton, to be honest I don't remember him in season 2 so all I can say is I believe he saw a chance to secure personal dominance in the North and getting paid by the Lannisters to do so was a bonus.

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  60. Rick GantherJune 3, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    Well, for the first time in the history of the show, I am very disappointed in Game of Thrones. The end scene was poorly written and horribly shot. A real shame since with a few different camera angles, they could have made it something epic. They better show GreyRobb in the next episode....

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  61. Ali Al-AnsariJune 3, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    I just read that Catelyn is gonna be back for next season.. what the hell?!

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  62. Jim 108June 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    I think that might end up being from the scene where Bran parted ways with Rickon. He mentioned Rickon ending up as the heir of Winterfell if something happened to him or Jon. A new version of the Stark theme played during that scene with roughly the same length.

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  63. Jim 108June 3, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    What was it? I was already spoiled about all of this, and I'm afraid to open my (still unread) book now!

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  64. ShoggJune 3, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    Yep. Has there been any mention of characters coming back from the dead this season? Hm?

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  65. stormqueenJune 3, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    Michelle UNFairley, tbh. Unfair to the rest of us.

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  66. stormqueenJune 3, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    I was super excited. I know I'm used to Spartacus, where this kind of brutality and main character death would be a low-key episode but for Game of Thrones it was intense.

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  67. Dominick GraceJune 3, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    The book also made a big deal of the bread and salt-sharing as an unbreakable commitment to hospitality to one's guests, thereby making Frey's betrayal an even more fundamental oath-breaking than Robb's to him. I still haven't read on beyond book three yet, but wonder whether this might come back to haunt him--though the potential for his actions here to pursue him later is certainly set up by the end of book three. I thought it was odd, actually, that they had the bread/salt sharing in the show but made no comment on its significance.

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  68. DarqueModeJune 3, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    There is one way in which Walder Frey is even more despicable than Tywin Lannister...

    At the beginning of the ceremony when Robb entered the Twins they showed him eating bread and salt and exchanging some words with Walder. That was the traditional pact of "Guest Right".

    That oath of protection and hospitality is thousands of years old and held as one of the most sacred and powerful traditions on Westeros. Even Craster never went against Guest Right. In the thousands of years of Guest Right there is only one known case of anyone breaking the oath. The Rat King.

    The Rat King was a cook in the Night's Watch who killed a visiting King's son and baked him into the King's dinner pie causing the King to eat his own son unknowingly. (He even asked for a second slice of pie) The Gods were so angry that the cook harmed a guest after Guest Right had been invoked that they turned the cook into a rat that could not eat anything but his own offspring for the rest of its life.

    This was not just revenge on the Starks, but a dismissal of society, tradition, and order in general.



    Al varying degrees of scum to me but as far as tradition goes Frey is the worst kind of scum in the story.

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  69. DarqueModeJune 3, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    Guest Right is not to be fucked with!
    IT will come back to haunt the Night's Watch for Rast's mutiny against the Old Bear... and I'm sure it will come back to haunt the Freys as well. Although I do not recall it happening so far in the next couple books...

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  70. DarqueModeJune 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    Yeah I recall that. That was when I knew they left out the letter naming Jon heir.
    They can still do it in retrospect if they feel they need to by having the Blackfish find the letter at Riverrun or something on those lines.... Maybe?

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  71. magnutudeJune 3, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    a great reason to read the book to find out the details...

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  72. DarqueModeJune 3, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    Jason Momoa was back after being killed....
    For one scene in a vision of Dany's.


    So appearing on the show again after death is not necessarily the same thing as having a large or even recurring role.... Just saying.

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  73. CliffJune 3, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    I believe the guest right was talked about in the Craster scenes a lot, probably why they devoted so much time to him earlier ;)

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  74. Marc HartkampJune 3, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    Shocking episode: Rickon spoke! Multiple lines!

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  75. DarqueModeJune 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    HA! XD
    That may indeed be the most shocking thing that happened in the episode now that I think about it!!!

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  76. Eric PharandJune 3, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    Despite some much needed culling, it was mediocre.

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  77. Donna CJune 4, 2013 at 12:53 AM

    I remember Catelyn being almost frantic to a point when reminding Robb to eat the bread and salt as soon as he possibly could, because she knew that was a bad idea from the get-go. It's tragic - Catelyn told them about all of these things these people would do (Theon, Frey) and her advice goes ignored. Everyone's dead or burninated. Men in Westeros would live longer if they'd listen to the women.

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  78. Donna CJune 4, 2013 at 12:57 AM

    Don't be so happy about the culling, we're gonna get a CRAPLOAD of new characters next season.

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  79. OpinionJune 4, 2013 at 1:05 AM

    You are an idiot. Lord Frey is a hero. In one absolutely justified massacre he ended the war and slaughter of innocents those idiots caused.

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  80. John ThomasJune 4, 2013 at 1:58 AM

    Poor Arya.

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  81. omabinJune 4, 2013 at 2:50 AM

    I have no comments for this, literally. I was shocked!!

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  82. omabinJune 4, 2013 at 2:51 AM

    I agree with this in hindsight (I didn't read the books so I had no idea what was coming). I had always viewed the Starks as the characters I was supposed to root for and the "good guys" who eventually would come out of all this, so sad what happened to them

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  83. omabinJune 4, 2013 at 2:58 AM

    This this this and this again

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  84. thedane5June 4, 2013 at 6:36 AM

    All season I have complained that there was not enough scenes with the direwolves. This episode certainly made up for that! Loved all the direwolf action, though it was sad to see Grey wind die.

    Great great scene when Arya watch him die from her hiding place only a few meters away.
    All of Arya´s scenes were amazing.

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  85. thedane5June 4, 2013 at 7:02 AM

    Oh, I don´t know. Joffreys sadistic ways seems more personal. The joy he get´s from hurting others, both physically and mentally, still puts him on the top of my list.

    As much as I hate the Freys I can see why the did it. They had everything to gain.

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  86. CliffJune 4, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Because everyone has already commented on the obvious, I just want to say that I thoroughly enjoyed Edmure's look when he saw his very cute future wife :D

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  87. DarqueModeJune 4, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    My favorite of the Red Wedding reaction videos or gifs..

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  88. DarqueModeJune 4, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    First try changed the gif to a jpg so here isa tinypic link

    http://oi43.tinypic.com/35k7pc0.jpg

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  89. CliffJune 4, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    I wonder, does he even have to name a heir? I mean, Jon's the oldest Stark still alive, so shouldn't he be the heir in any case? (Except if Robb had named another one as his heir, of course, what he didn't.)

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  90. DarqueModeJune 4, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    I think Robb naming Jon the heir was important because Sansa still lives and her husband would inherit Winterfell upon marriage, because she is the oldest legitimate hair alive.

    Plus, Jon is a bastard and for them to inherit can be complicated. A king can announce them as part of a house officially, as can the Lord of the house legitimize them, but I think other branches could still make claims. Who knows.

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  91. CliffJune 4, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    Ah true, I always forget about Sansa somehow =)

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  92. N27June 5, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Finally seen the episode and what a letdown. Not because of the horrifying scenes but the overall bad plotting. Whenever many characters get killed off at the same time, while they ha d a pivotal role before, it reminds me of Stephen King´s The Stand, where he kills off a bunch of characters because he doesn´t have any story for them anymore. Same here.
    That´s really weak and I expected more.

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  93. 24601June 6, 2013 at 4:04 AM

    Finally watched it tonight. That was faster than I thought -- but none of the Stark camp saw it coming until it was too late.

    Having read the book, it didn't surprise me. But I do think some elements from the book -- something being off about the musicians, the chaos, the way everything fell apart -- it really was much more intense. The TV show was just heart-wrenching -- and very well done in it's own right.

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  94. MorbidPetJune 7, 2013 at 12:04 AM

    I screamed at the last frame. So did not see that coming. I don't know how to rate this episode, both hate it and loved it. I'm conflicted. And sad. And angry. And...

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  95. N27June 7, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    I don´t doubt that they are story-driven or foreshadowed. To a certain degree it happened of the Stand as well. The Deaths on the Stand meant something to the remaining characters as well.

    What I want to point out is, GRR Martin stated that the first four books actually covered the originally planned first book. So given all the developments in this and the next book, you have to admit that he very likely sat down and wrote about characters that weren´t THAT important to the overall story in the beginning but became while he was writing them, e.g. many Stark Family members that die one after another.

    So when he was focusing back on his original plan he realised that certain characters weren´t needed and wrote them out, instead of integrating them and adjust the story. Instead the long characterizations feel like a red herring because ultimately these characters do not have a pivotal role in the future. I just wanted to point out that this is weak writing. Nothing else.

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  96. laura3341June 15, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    Ha,love this!

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  97. 24601April 8, 2014 at 3:54 AM

    Since they've already spoiled some from the later books for me (Theon's story, especially) I'll go ahead and ask -- Robb's wife in the books -- what happens there? I finished the third book thinking Robb might have had a son and that it would play a part later on somehow.

    Perhaps there was nothing there, but did they simply transplant Jeyne Westerling's (Talisa's) fate to this event, thus condensing the timeline somewhat?

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  98. tsavonglah08April 8, 2014 at 5:39 AM

    Well said!! :))

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  99. start_wearing_purpleApril 8, 2014 at 5:39 AM

    Let me guess... raised by the Lord of Light?

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  100. start_wearing_purpleApril 8, 2014 at 5:39 AM

    I really need to read the books. At the very least to get a fix while waiting for the 4th season.

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  101. DarqueModeApril 8, 2014 at 5:39 AM

    I think if you read the first book or two during the off-season you will enjoy the series even more!


    That way you can get all the background and exposition not in the series to better understand the saga and the characters, but still be blissfully ignorant for Season 4 since you will not have read Book 3 or Book 4.

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