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POLL : What did you think of Doctor Who - The Name of the Doctor?

18 May 2013

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57 comments:

  1. Marc Hartkamp18 May 2013 at 19:51

    Holy fuck. Í don't even know what to say, but it was very, very cool. Now I really can't wait for the 50th anniversary special

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  2. Sandi18 May 2013 at 19:51

    I have no words, that was brilliant!

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  3. Sandi18 May 2013 at 19:53

    Seconded! This almost felt like it could have been the anniversary special in itself, lol :)

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  4. Jan Frost18 May 2013 at 19:55

    Steven Moffat - you clever, clever man!

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  5. Emma Clougherty18 May 2013 at 19:56

    I thought it was absolutely beautiful. Clara makes sense now, and her storyline was explained gorgeously. River was amazing. Vashta and Jenny broke my heart.

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  6. Luke James Farmer18 May 2013 at 19:58

    I don't really know what to say...

    It was great, but the whole part about his own time stream just seemed so far fetched, even for The Doctor.

    John Hurt, does this mean he was the original doctor, before the "1st"? The Valeyard (I loved that reference, I thought they'd decide to forget him and extend the number of regenerations)?

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  7. Angela Robinson18 May 2013 at 20:00

    I really really enjoyed it, the ending was a tad rushed but thats okay! Clara was explained and wrapped up brilliantly as well, excited to see John Hurt as The Doc, and to see if the rumours are true about him being 9. I liked seeing the old Doctors as well, hopefully this will shut people up about them not bringing all of the old Docs back for the 50th... I see it as a two partner... excited to see what John Hurt's doctor did as well. Can't wait for November!

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  8. Myra18 May 2013 at 20:03

    I'm really really confused though is John Hurt the future or previous doctor? If he's a previous doctor, HOW I DONT UNDERSTAND

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  9. Aylass0118 May 2013 at 20:07

    I'm glad that I hadn't read spoilers for this or the 50th year episode, because I was NOT expecting John Hurt to be the Doctor...now I can't wait for the anniversary special.

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  10. Angela Robinson18 May 2013 at 20:08

    Oh and I HATE the River/Doctor pairing so much.

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  11. Lou18 May 2013 at 20:19

    I wish I hadn't been spoiled for Hurt's 50th Anniversary appearance but now its less exciting (assuming all of what the rumours said about his character are true)

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  12. Justyna Kubica18 May 2013 at 21:04

    No words. Just speechless!

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  13. Ross18 May 2013 at 21:15

    So people can time travel by having a nap? Not sure I'm a fan of that. But hey, fallen in love even more with Clara.

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  14. Aydrian18 May 2013 at 21:27

    "My Clara" that is all.

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  15. jma00a1 .18 May 2013 at 21:28

    3 1/2 hours till Americans can see it......

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  16. Mia18 May 2013 at 21:51

    Brilliant. I'm speechless. November can't come soon enough

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  17. Kaalyn Johnson18 May 2013 at 22:50

    Well, it's over now.

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  18. tsavonglah0818 May 2013 at 23:02

    My expectations were met in explaining Clara's role and from some of the comments I'm reading here it will be interesting to see how John Hurt's Doctor version will play into the Special.

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  19. Marlene Rådman18 May 2013 at 23:22

    I though they where in a trance...?

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  20. Marlene Rådman18 May 2013 at 23:23

    Loved this episode. And River! River was there. And a kiss!

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  21. Marlene Rådman18 May 2013 at 23:50

    As for your last question; I really, really hope not. Love her

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  22. Hilla Osovsky19 May 2013 at 00:01

    WOW! The Doctor/River Song final scene was a real tear jerker! And I even got a kiss!!! I so hope we will get to see River again. Alex Kingston is amazing !

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  23. Ross19 May 2013 at 00:27

    A time travelling trance.

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  24. Panos Nestoras19 May 2013 at 02:18

    Wow!! Loved everything about this episode...

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  25. Rafa_Garrafa19 May 2013 at 03:42

    Who in Hell thinks this episode is awful?? I have seen only the "new series", day by day, and a couple of episodes of old. But I think this reflects beautifully what Dr Who is all about. And the bitterness in "but not in the name of the Doctor"... genius. Can't wait for november!! Give us a trailer or something!!!

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  26. teako of the north19 May 2013 at 06:35

    SO MUCH LOVE! and finally, a REAL goodbye for river. now i can ship clara / doctor guilt free! LOL!

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  27. Brendan Grace19 May 2013 at 06:36

    Alright so let me make sure that I have this right.


    So, River Song has been dead this entire time and The Doctor brought River along every time willingly even though he knew she was dead (Well done Moffat if you came up with that years ago). Clara is the Doctor's eternal companion and John Hurt was the original Doctor from Gallifrey who turned evil and in order for the others to distance themselves they became "The Doctor".


    Brilliant!

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  28. teako of the north19 May 2013 at 06:43

    is THAT who john hurt was supposed to be? i was sort of getting the impression he was like... old 8 or something... i have no idea. your theory makes better sense, still it has some holes. if john hurt's doctor is the original, like the first body, then does that make him '1'? or does it only start to count after he regenerates for the first time? ie, the original body dies and is regenerated as the first doctor. or do we have to call matt smith 12 now?

    seriously this is bothering me! O.O

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  29. Jo19 May 2013 at 07:19

    "Awesome" is the most positive option to choose from?
    "Speechless", "Perfect", "What Crap!"... those describe the episode more accurately. I mean holy crap, I am perfectly speechless after watching that episode ;)

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  30. Jo19 May 2013 at 07:28

    "Awesome" is the most positive option to choose from?
    "Speechless", "Perfect", "Holy Crap!"... those describe the episode more accurately. I mean holy crap, I am perfectly speechless after watching that episode ;)

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  31. Marlene Rådman19 May 2013 at 07:54

    That she is! Oh, we need more River, definitely. We haven´t seen the singing towers yet. THAT will be a tear jerker...

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  32. Marlene Rådman19 May 2013 at 07:54

    Uhm, yes...?

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  33. Marlene Rådman19 May 2013 at 07:56

    Uhm... No? The River he has been traveling with after The Library has been an earlier version, one that is still alive.

    That´s the way I have understood it anyway.

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  34. David Fischer19 May 2013 at 08:12

    So is River finally gone for good?

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  35. Marlene Rådman19 May 2013 at 08:25

    Why would you assume that?

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  36. Cherie Grant19 May 2013 at 08:30

    I loved this episode and I LOVE that John Hurt will be in future episodes. I LOVE him as a possible Doctor. And the spoiler River mentioned about her connection to Clara....Could Clara be River's and the Doctor's child? 'My Clara'.....that's my bet. Cant understand why anyone thinks it's an awful episode. I have to wonder if we were even watching the same episode. This season has been wonderful. THANKYOU Moffat, you're a genius.

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  37. Sandi19 May 2013 at 09:23

    We saw them go on the date at the Singing Towers on the DVDs for series 6 as part of the Night and the Doctor minisodes, it was called Last Night I believe.

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  38. Sandi19 May 2013 at 09:28

    John Hurt is meant to be the incarnation between Paul McGann and Chris Eccleston I think, but he doesn't have the name Doctor because he is a reject of sorts. Therefore the numbering system we use is still in place. What he did to be rejected is what the 50th will cover I assume.

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  39. Marlene Rådman19 May 2013 at 10:50

    Ah, yes. But I meant the date itself. I know we will never see that on TV, but a girl can dream, no?

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  40. Urszula Turkiewicz19 May 2013 at 12:06

    I am one of the people who voted "Awful", and let me tell you why.

    1. If River is dead and just a consciousness preserved in the library, how does she connect with them in the dream conference call? How does she connect with Clara but is visible to Doctor (but no one else?) This is So. Messy.

    2. On that note, time travelling in dreams. Seriously?

    3. It's one thing to pay homage to Old Who but it's another thing to freely rewrite it. You do realize that the scene with the 1st Doctor mean that one of the Clara is a Time Lady, despite the fact that Clara is human.

    4. On that note, is it only me who has difficulty finding it believable that after 4-5 episodes with the Doctor Clara's already sacrificing herself and devoting her entire existence to the Doctor?

    5. Entering the Doctor's timeline - firstly, that is not a physical place. Even if I can stretch my suspension of disbelief enough to believe that the shiny thing in the middle of that room IS the Doctor's timeline (why would it present itself this way), entering it? Shouldn't the Doctor explode into million versions of 11 as well? The last scene, WHERE does it take place? Physically, where are they? Saying "This is my timestream so everything around you is me" is kinda blowing it off. If the Doctor is to resume his normal adventures, they have to, well, get out of there. If they're already exploded, then how?

    6. This ties to point 3. It's one thing to pay homage to your predecessors, but it's another to rewrite it. If John Hurt's Doctor is the one between 8 and 9, I am seriously worried that Moffat is just going to rewrite the Time War.

    Doctor Who was a different show when I started watching it. The Doctor's companions were normal, relatable people who had a life outside of the Doctor and if they decided to stay with the Doctor (Rose, Donna), it was made into a big decision and not something taken for granted. They weren't all super-pretty, super-smart and talking in the same, fast, way. They didn't have a big secret that was the motor of their relationship with the Doctor - they were enough. The focus back then was on scripts, not on flashy effects. The last couple of episodes, I felt like I was watching sth written by someone with ADD, just faster, don't wonder about anything unbelievable, oooh, look at those special effects!
    I don't buy it. If the November special is as bad as this half of season was, I am going to stop watching the show. It's terribly sad, but the show lost its heart.

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  41. Alder19 May 2013 at 12:10

    "Could Clara be River's and the Doctor's child?"

    Cool theory, but considering we were explicitly shown Clara's parents and her upbringing, I wouldn't bet on it.

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  42. Sandi19 May 2013 at 12:27

    Ahh, gotcha, lol.

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  43. Hilla Osovsky19 May 2013 at 12:57

    Me too. But maybe she can still form a link to him like she did with Clara, and then she IS always with him.. She's his damn wife! They will always be together in my head and heart..

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  44. Hilla Osovsky19 May 2013 at 12:59

    That's up to Moffat to decide, and for us to see .. (:
    I hope not though. I wish she could be his companion for season 8, though it will never happen

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  45. Sandi19 May 2013 at 13:10

    I took it to be River's goodbye to the Doctor, rather than our goodbye to us. Meaning the character will, most likely, never see him again, but we may well get to see a younger version of her character in the show still.

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  46. James Waite19 May 2013 at 14:03

    Dude, it's a science FICTION show. Stop trying to apply logic to it. Also, timey-wimey wibbly-wobbly answers most of your criticisms here. Time isn't necessarily linear

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  47. DngnRdr19 May 2013 at 14:26

    The Valeyard still existed - pulled from between the 12 & 13 Doctors, even though regenerations have since become unlimited (at least there's no one around to limit them) so he could be the Valeyard.
    The other theory is that he's from in between Paul McGann and Christopher Eccleston (it's the only regeneration never shown on screen) making him the version that fought in the Time War and committed atrocities he feels guilty over.

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  48. Urszula Turkiewicz19 May 2013 at 15:09

    re: the secret as motor of relationship with the Doctor.

    I miss the times when we had relatable female companions who were interesting purely because they were interesting, not because they had some big secret that the Doctor had to investigate. Rose, Martha and Donna had lives outside of the Doctor.

    In Moffat's era you have Amy, who has cracks on the wall and her family is gone for some reason, so the Doctor must investigate! And she runs away right before her wedding and throws herself on the Doctor because, hey, who wouldn't. The Doctor, right. Totally justifies cheating. Suddenly the choice between the Doctor and Rory is a big plot point - and then we need it bashed into our heads a few times, because unbelievable, she really does prefer Rory over the Doctor. And then she's there, but she's not, but she's pregnant with a time baby, but the baby is River.

    River who knows a big secret that no one else ever knew or will know, who somehow is always portrayed as more clever than the Doctor and then she's a Time Lady. And Amy's baby. And Doctor's wife. And she makes a Dalek beg for mercy. And she pilots the TARDIS better than the Doctor and is generally best thing since sliced bread.
    (also there's this bit when she says that one day the Doctor won't recognize her and it's going to kill her. her actions in the Forest of the Dead seem a bit suicidal in perspective)

    Finally you have Clara who dies not once but twice trying to defend the Doctor, so he must investigate! And people were already crazy with theories, that she's River and Doctor's child, or Rose and Handy's child or whoever - because that's what this show became (I blame George Lucas and his "Luke I am your father" anyway). And as of the last episode we are explicitly told that her life's sole purpose is to save the Doctor, over and over again. No other thing. Who needs a life of their own.

    I also find it annoying how the three characters are written very much the same way, feisty, sassy, overconfident, flirtatious and talking way faster than the Doctor. It's lazy writing. Covered by special effects to make it seem better.



    So in general, what I'm saying is I just wish we had a well-rounded lead female character who was relatable and whose life in its entirety didn't revolve around the Doctor.

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  49. Urszula Turkiewicz19 May 2013 at 15:10

    sooo any plot hole can be just excuse as "eh, it's timey-wimey"? seriously? that's lazy writing.

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  50. teako of the north19 May 2013 at 17:45

    OHHH!!!!!!! THANK YOU! this has been bothering me all night and makes PERFECT sense! i bow to your superior Whovianity! :D

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  51. Marlene Rådman19 May 2013 at 19:52

    I can be confusing at times :D

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  52. Sandi19 May 2013 at 20:56

    Exactly. I can totally accept that some people will find this episode awful, we are all different people at the end of the day. But hyperbolic rants and twisted half (un)truths spouted at fact I don't have much time for.

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  53. Rafa_Garrafa20 May 2013 at 23:02

    I don't really know how can you say that the Doctor that Moffat writes is "lazy". You have the beutifully wrote River Song story arc, since before 11th. That's amazing, really. And the first 11th season was superb, with the Pandorica and so.


    It's normal that you don't like complicated stuff, and science fiction doesn't really makes sense, and its continuity sometimes is flawed. But the focus is not, in my opinion, in the details. Is in the story itself. I liked LOST for the characters, I liked Fringe for the dicotomy of the parallel universes, I liked 10th for himself, how that Doctor was with people, how ancient and angry he seemed sometimes. And I like 11th for the wanting to solve mysteries, because he looks for them. Not just stumbles upon them


    Moffat's Doctor is a curious one. He likes to solve a mystery, and keep it close. In my opinion, that's the main characteristic of 11th...

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  54. Donna C22 May 2013 at 02:52

    Curious ... why so mad?

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  55. Donna C22 May 2013 at 02:57

    I believe Moffat wants to address the Time War, so he made up this "forgotten" incarnation to do so. They cannot do anything with the Eighth Doctor because of licensing issues with Big Finish. Big Finish, in turn, cannot touch on the Time War. So that solves the problem for both mediums. Moffat can deal with the Time War head on and Big Finish doesn't have to worry about the show and they can have Eight regenerate any way they like.

    With all of the allusions to the Doctor's monstrous side, with the Great Intelligence telling the others how much blood he was drenched in at Trenzalore ("a minor skirmish to him"), I fully believe this. And if he doesn't consider that incarnation a "Doctor", as Hurt "broke the promise" to uphold the ideals of the Doctor, that, metaphorically, allows Nine, Ten and Eleven to remain the Ninth, Tenth and Eleventh Doctors. I think Hurt may be "The Beast" the GI mentioned while listing off names, since Whovians know both "The Oncoming Storm" and "The Valeyard" already. It's plausible. It may also explain the more fearful view of the Doctor other corners of the universe have, harkening back to "A Good Man Goes To War".

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  56. Donna C22 May 2013 at 03:00

    I'd hate for Clara's parentage to be rewritten that way. I was agitated enough with the clumsy way they handled River being Amy and Rory's kid. Something Moffat had never planned until he got work Alex would be available for filming during those months.

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  57. DngnRdr8 April 2014 at 03:56

    Two rumours: He's the Valeyard or he fits in between 8 and 9.

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