This one does not move me nearly as much as many of th other new shows.
It just feels so familiar to me having the little girl be the key to everything.. Babylon A.D. , Children of Men, and many others similar movies make it an overused plot device to me.
That said, I am a fan of clandestine agencies and multinational conspiracies so I will be checking it out. Of course it does not hurt to have Delroy Lindo, Rami Malek, and Kyle MacLauchlan in the series!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDDUP this is what i will compare the show to, just in this case the girl seems to have more powers. the rich / powerful people are +richer +powerful. the main dude not sure yet in what he is capable in terms of fighting and taking care of business as like the main dude in the linked series.
Awwwwww, the Butterfly/Moth is such a nice touch (Fringe/LOST) and between this and "Almost Human", I def feel like we have our FRINGE back! Miss Sequoyah gives me chills!
I really don't understand what you guys see in JJ Abrams... Maybe he was talented, but now he's only interested in making money. And public TV is only getting worse.
What I see in him is someone who gives you a tapestry in a tapestry in a tapestry. Every single work has some aspect that relates to other works, but the angle at which the new workm comes at homes in on something more specific.
EX: LOST manifested Alcatraz (magical Islands and prisoners) and shares bend with Revolution in terms of being a limited technology adventure story. Alias Spawned Undercovers (as if Francie would have married Charlie and they were the spies instead of Sydney) and Fringe (see Alias episodes 3x09 = Fringe Pilot parallels + similar shape shifter tech with Project Helix. s3 is very Fringey). Fringe and POI has spawned Almost Human (Buddy Cop with something futuristic and beyond human. -like an Observer or artificial intelligence) and Fringe also spawned Believe (young girl with kinetic powers = cortexiphan children, but cult-like aspect is similar to The Others, ZFT, or followers of Rambaldi).
J.J. Abrams is a good negotiator and an idea man---he finds talent and other ideas and mixes it all to bring it to light. It's true his plate is full, but the people that work for/with him share in his visions and he doesn't need to be "present". They know what he wants.
Bad Robots stuff all goes together. Is all in the end pro humanism, it's character driven, it's seeing people be in unique circumstances, It's facing existentialism, it's empirically exploring identity through comparative narratives, it's giving it's viewers an underlying realization in pointing out a universal human factor that often makes their works feel timeless and nostalgic. At least that is what it is for me, which is why I always look forward to their stuff. To me it's art.
It's just like Rembrandt or Picasso in the sense that if you see their works you usually can spot them because of specific characteristics that their works, as a collection, has, but in this case, it almost more miraculous that it continues to have those characteristics because more and more talent keep mixing into the pot!
I used to find connections between Lost and shows produced by it's creators, which was pretty fun, but is it a reason to watch a series I don't like? I don't think so. And some of them I just don't feel - as you said. Revolution - I hate awful acting and love-family-issues really got me bored. Alcatraz - too much procedural in it and very weak scenario.
The problem is that Abrams is only an idea man, as you said, and in fact the quality of a series depends on it's showrunners. That's why his name means nothing to me, because even if the concept of a series is brilliant (and the world without power in Revolution or prisoners of Alcatraz coming back sounds really great), it's enough plot only for Pilot episode. But you also have to do episode 2, 3 etc. For example, I considered Alcatraz Pilot as one of the best since Fringe. But then I stopped watching after episode 5 and came back only for the finale.
The problem of Alcatraz was that the showrunners didn't have any idea what to do in the middle episodes of the season. They knew how it would start - thanks to Abrams - and how it would end. But the prisoners' standalone cases were just awful. On the other hand, Person of Interest also started as a procedural and now became the best show on public TV for me (Fringe is even better example). Why? Because Jonah Nolan (Pinkner/Wyman) knew what to do with this series through 22 episodes. Neither Alcatraz crew nor Kripke in Revolution did.
Coming back to Fringe for a while, that's a perfect example of a way how family issues might become the core of a show, if written properly. And as I mentioned - one of the reasons why I hate Revolution is the Mathesons in the foreground. There is just too much about them. For me, family issues can't be considered as a plot itself, because it always ends like Alcatraz, Terra Nova, The Event and more did. They should be only really interesting background for the characters which forces them to act in situations created in the show. Like Peter-Walter dynamic IN the conflict with Jones, then alternative universe etc, which made the show so exciting. So it always depends on showrunners, writers, actors, but there is no Abrams here. He only gives idea and some money.
Why did I write this message in this topic? Because I have a feeling that Believe might be really low quality TV. I think I've seen a lot in my life and this mixture of Touch/Heroes/Fringe is really likely to end badly. Unfortunately, Almost Human doesn't look good either. Wyman without Pinkner might not be able to create such a good show as Fringe. I'm really afraid that it will become another show 'about human', 'about family', but without any interesting plot in the foreground.
First it's not just the idea that there are connections, it's the idea that if you saw a glimpse of a story somewhere, but it didn't flesh out or wasn't introspectedly explored, you may see it so in another work (no stone unturned)
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ReplyDeleteInteresting. It looks better than I though it would.
ReplyDeleteLooks awesome! I have a feeling I'm going to like Bo a lot.
ReplyDeletehummm this looks interesting!!! Alfonso Cuarón and JJ Abrams? I'm in!!!!
ReplyDeleteJJ ABRAMS gonna own a channel one day
ReplyDeleteI think this will be one of the better shows this year!!!! Cuarón and JJ Abrams, with Kyle Maclachlan
ReplyDeleteThis one does not move me nearly as much as many of th other new shows.
ReplyDeleteIt just feels so familiar to me having the little girl be the key to everything.. Babylon A.D. , Children of Men, and many others similar movies make it an overused plot device to me.
That said, I am a fan of clandestine agencies and multinational conspiracies so I will be checking it out. Of course it does not hurt to have Delroy Lindo, Rami Malek, and Kyle MacLauchlan in the series!
Cuarón directed Children of Men didn't he?
ReplyDeleteThis should feel familiar for him then....
Yep he did ;)
ReplyDeleteI'm so excited for this I really hope it does well in the ratings.
ReplyDeleteI'm definitely in!
ReplyDeleteExcited for the show. Torn on the casting choices, hopefully the actors will grow on me like they did for revolution.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure how I feel about this, based on the trailer. I tend to hate "child saviors" and "chosen ones", but it looks like it could have potential.
ReplyDeleteEven with a very familiar theme/plot, the show has a great pedigree, cast, and I'm in definitely for a check out
ReplyDeleteThe butterflies and all of the typography are giving me Fringe feels. It's pretty distracting.
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDDUP this is what i will compare the show to, just in this case the girl seems to have more powers. the rich / powerful people are +richer +powerful. the main dude not sure yet in what he is capable in terms of fighting and taking care of business as like the main dude in the linked series.
ReplyDeleteLooks interesting.
ReplyDeleteOh God, heaven help me if that happens! XD
ReplyDeleteAwwwwww, the Butterfly/Moth is such a nice touch (Fringe/LOST) and between this and "Almost Human", I def feel like we have our FRINGE back! Miss Sequoyah gives me chills!
ReplyDeleteand Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban!
ReplyDeleteOr like watching cortexiphan child being protected by a Jack Sylvane, Sawyer Ford, or a Desmond Hume like character ;)
ReplyDeleteHer "thank you" def gave me chills..
ReplyDeleteall they had to say: JJ Abrams and I'm ready to check it out.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely looks interesting.
ReplyDeleteI really don't understand what you guys see in JJ Abrams... Maybe he was talented, but now he's only interested in making money. And public TV is only getting worse.
ReplyDeleteWhat I see in him is someone who gives you a tapestry in a tapestry in a tapestry. Every single work has some aspect that relates to other works, but the angle at which the new workm comes at homes in on something more specific.
ReplyDeleteEX: LOST manifested Alcatraz (magical Islands and prisoners) and shares bend with Revolution in terms of being a limited technology adventure story. Alias Spawned Undercovers (as if Francie would have married Charlie and they were the spies instead of Sydney) and Fringe (see Alias episodes 3x09 = Fringe Pilot parallels + similar shape shifter tech with Project Helix. s3 is very Fringey). Fringe and POI has spawned Almost Human (Buddy Cop with something futuristic and beyond human. -like an Observer or artificial intelligence) and Fringe also spawned Believe (young girl with kinetic powers = cortexiphan children, but cult-like aspect is similar to The Others, ZFT, or followers of Rambaldi).
J.J. Abrams is a good negotiator and an idea man---he finds talent and other ideas and mixes it all to bring it to light. It's true his plate is full, but the people that work for/with him share in his visions and he doesn't need to be "present". They know what he wants.
Bad Robots stuff all goes together. Is all in the end pro humanism, it's character driven, it's seeing people be in unique circumstances, It's facing existentialism, it's empirically exploring identity through comparative narratives, it's giving it's viewers an underlying realization in pointing out a universal human factor that often makes their works feel timeless and nostalgic. At least that is what it is for me, which is why I always look forward to their stuff. To me it's art.
I just have to say I love your avatar! It rocks! :)
ReplyDeleteMe too! :)
ReplyDeleteI couldn't have said it better!
ReplyDeleteI KNOWWW !! imagine all the shows are BAD ROBOT production ...one word : EPIC
ReplyDeleteJJ Abrams + concept which has zero appeal to me... Sigh, yet another pass.
ReplyDeleteLOL! Nice to know I'm not alone! :D
ReplyDeleteThank you.
ReplyDeleteIt's just like Rembrandt or Picasso in the sense that if you see their works you usually can spot them because of specific characteristics that their works, as a collection, has, but in this case, it almost more miraculous that it continues to have those characteristics because more and more talent keep mixing into the pot!
:D Thank you :p This show rocks!!! :D
ReplyDeleteLOL no you're not !! i belive in ABRAMS
ReplyDeleteso no one's going to mention how this seems like TOUCH... and we all know how that turned out
ReplyDeleteI used to find connections between Lost and shows produced by it's creators, which was pretty fun, but is it a reason to watch a series I don't like? I don't think so. And some of them I just don't feel - as you said. Revolution - I hate awful acting and love-family-issues really got me bored. Alcatraz - too much procedural in it and very weak scenario.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that Abrams is only an idea man, as you said, and in fact the quality of a series depends on it's showrunners. That's why his name means nothing to me, because even if the concept of a series is brilliant (and the world without power in Revolution or prisoners of Alcatraz coming back sounds really great), it's enough plot only for Pilot episode. But you also have to do episode 2, 3 etc. For example, I considered Alcatraz Pilot as one of the best since Fringe. But then I stopped watching after episode 5 and came back only for the finale.
The problem of Alcatraz was that the showrunners didn't have any idea what to do in the middle episodes of the season. They knew how it would start - thanks to Abrams - and how it would end. But the prisoners' standalone cases were just awful. On the other hand, Person of Interest also started as a procedural and now became the best show on public TV for me (Fringe is even better example). Why? Because Jonah Nolan (Pinkner/Wyman) knew what to do with this series through 22 episodes. Neither Alcatraz crew nor Kripke in Revolution did.
Coming back to Fringe for a while, that's a perfect example of a way how family issues might become the core of a show, if written properly. And as I mentioned - one of the reasons why I hate Revolution is the Mathesons in the foreground. There is just too much about them. For me, family issues can't be considered as a plot itself, because it always ends like Alcatraz, Terra Nova, The Event and more did. They should be only really interesting background for the characters which forces them to act in situations created in the show. Like Peter-Walter dynamic IN the conflict with Jones, then alternative universe etc, which made the show so exciting. So it always depends on showrunners, writers, actors, but there is no Abrams here. He only gives idea and some money.
Why did I write this message in this topic? Because I have a feeling that Believe might be really low quality TV. I think I've seen a lot in my life and this mixture of Touch/Heroes/Fringe is really likely to end badly. Unfortunately, Almost Human doesn't look good either. Wyman without Pinkner might not be able to create such a good show as Fringe. I'm really afraid that it will become another show 'about human', 'about family', but without any interesting plot in the foreground.
First it's not just the idea that there are connections, it's the idea that if you saw a glimpse of a story somewhere, but it didn't flesh out or wasn't introspectedly explored, you may see it so in another work (no stone unturned)
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