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definitely the laugh track. i seriously hate comedies with a laugh track with a passion. whenever i'm interested in a comedy, i dismiss it when i hear laughing in the background. it usually distracts from the overall storytelling- and frankly, comedies (like go on, seed, sunny skies, new girl during the beginning and ben and kate) are so much better than comedies that have pauses in the middle so that the live audience can laugh. reminds me so much of shrek when they were in the church and there was a pause and a moment for the congregation to cry/laugh etc. most times on comedies with laugh tracks, the jokes aren't even funny!
Keeping the characters alive despite impossible odds just to keep the fanbase happy. That's why I love UK shows, because most of them aren't afraid of killing major characters.
Constant break ups and passionate get togethers only for it to repeat a few episodes later. If the couple was so passionate and right for eachother, they wouldn't keep breaking up.
I was just about to add love triangles. It is the most played out formula. It only works if I am equally invested in all three parties, otherwise cut it out.
I would add the whole 'will-they-won't-they' thing. Complete waste of time.
It´s funny how so many people dislike love triangles. I find that love triangles are only found in certain kind of shows (like Grey´s, Scandal, all CW shows, revenge ect). If you don´t like love triangles it seems strange to me to watch those shows.
I love shows like Justified and Sons of Anarchy, no love triangles there (well, I guess there is in SOA right now). My favorite shows are those with a good story line, but sometimes I´m in the mood for a good love triangle and then I choose the shows mentioned above.
Definitely Laugh Track Gone Crazy. I cannot begin to tell you how much i hate them.So much so in fact that is the reason i do not watch comedies anymore ( well except for Raising Hope,its hysterical).Also, Long Last Lipstick. Give me a break,please! No smeared lipstick,no runny foundation or mascara (even though its 100 degrees and humid) and their eye shadow never ounce creased.Oh, and lets not forget not one strand of hair out of place.Each wave is perfect,straight is is still straight and not one ounce of frizz..Ugh,what am i doing wrong! Ha! But then
We also have the women who portray cops,who are running ...in 3 inch heels! Drives me crazy! The only women known to be able to do this is Sidney Bristow (Jennifer Garner) but then again she could do everything well. A close second is Annie on covert affairs. So those are my pet peeves! I could go on,but won't bore you!
Long-last lipstick. (And hairdo and mascara. Our heroine comes through trauma still looking great). It is still funny to me how some put more effort in make-up and look than the credibility of the story.
The seriously hurt hero. (That was last week. He's okay now). Emphasize on the last bit - IMO, having an emotionaly borken heroes is great for the story, but not when you exaggerate it, but when you let it come naturally to the character - and that takes time. It really annoys me when they make a lost of fuss around a broken and hurt character in the beginning, and then they foget about it in the next 10 episodes or so.
To add more: -classic love triangles. -afriad of killing your main characters. but it can be other way around, too - when they kill some of the main characters just to raise the tension, without any real reason. -laugh tracks are getting pretty annoying. -IMO, those history conspiracies, like Hitler, Holy Grail etc., are now pretty much overused.
So true. On Grimm, Nick had been orphaned and raised by an aunt. Then his mother shows up with a ridiculous story about why she pretended to be dead. Don't know what the writers were thinking.
This is the best poll topic thus far. Kudos Linlighthouse for a great discussion piece. If there was an all of the above button I would surely have chosen it.
In the end it came down to Amnesia (the bane of my TV watching existence), religious people are bad (and the only group still socially acceptable to target relentlessly), let's not call the police (or even better, the police are so incompetent that calling them actually hurts your chances of survival) and miraculously healing hero (which may be the most anticlimactic cliffhanger of them all). Amnesia is a given since there has never been a good amnesia plot in the history of TV. The other three are going to come down to a coin toss.
Oh and I know it got cancelled but Zero Hour also had everything to do with Hitler. That particular story element came out of nowhere to me and now it's pervasive.
Most definitely. If your show is hanging by a love triangle or any other love geometrical shape, it is on the last throes of life. Quite frankly if the person in the middle cannot make up their mind about which person they want to be with, why would anyone want to be with them in the first place? They are obviously too wishy washy for a relationship and need to figure their own selves out first. For me a love triangle kills a show faster than anything else. There's nothing romantic about someone stringing people along.
Another fabulous addition. Will they won't they gets a maximum of one season before it becomes more annoying than entertaining, especially when it becomes the focus of the show or even the fandom. Bones and Castle both dragged it out so long that I was rooting for the other people in their lives before they ever became a couple. It's also a guaranteed way for me to stop caring about the characters involved as a whole and look to secondary characters for my entertainment.
That one falls under drama for drama's sake to me. You know when the drama overpasses the plot and actually gets in the way of the plot or the characters making sense.
That plot line did go exactly nowhere fast. However for returning characters from the dead for no apparent reason, the top prize goes to Supernatural. No one ever stays dead on SPN or they are dead but come back in alternate timelines, as ghosts, as memories, etc. It cheapens death so much that it is no longer suspenseful or typically even that moving.
All of them and few more: -The seriously hurt hero - one second everyone is worried about him because his dying, hero looks really bad and weak, another second hero is fine and sometimes manage save the day, no one seems to care anymore or his is fine! -Just in the nick of time - sometimes i caught myself wondering about how much seconds it would left untill bomb is susposted explode when someone saves the day....and not care about was going in scene, what the charecters feels when remaining time is almost over.... -Religious people are bad - yeah of curse. I not writing about this because too much i have to say, so i can't keep short. -The amnesiac - never seems to work. - Hitler had something to do with it - just hate that plot for many reasons. - No one ever dates anyone who doesn't work here - after i hear this rule, i already know what happens next and what type promblems they have to deal with. - Let's not bother calling the police - yeah, who needs cops? Let's create more promblems for self and hope that we have a big luck. - Laugh track gone crazy - Friends only one tv show that I didn't notice laugh track, but in others tv shows i just hate laugh tracks (especialy when jokes is not even funny), so is one of reasons why i don't watch them. - Long-last lipstick - makes me wonder what i'm doing wrong, because for me it not take long before i have fix. But that is not what annoys me most. Much more annoys me is when in tv shows women who is (for example) in coma very for long time, but somehow has perfect haircut, manicure, lipstick, mascara etc.... - triangles and another geometrical figures. Makes me wonder or characters knows that is possible to fell in love with someone who is not part of some love geometrical figure. - will-they-won't-they thing - takes me max 2 season until i completely lost my interest in that and start be much more interest and care about second characters and find them more entertaining. - running in high heels - i like wear high heels so i know is not easy do that without gettig fall over. After spending whole day in high heels usually feets just hates you, but in tv show seems that feets feels just fine end of the day. - History conspiracies. - The way portraits characters from east europe or countries who was part of SSRS and what facts says about it, because often they not make sense. - when some character die, but then he come back later in the show.
For me it is the "Lets not bother calling the police" either cause they don't trust them is the excuse i usually hear from shows and the amnesia ones too
The most irritating (for me) is the variation on "no one ever dates anyone who doesn't work here" where partners (cops, FBI agents...) must have that "connection". gah! (Castle and Bones were wise enough to team their LEOs with civilians.
I'd also like to add spike heels do the hairdo and mascara.)
I was one of the few people who was happy that they actually killed off Doyle on Angel. Loved the actor and his work but the idea that I couldn't count on a character surviving a dire story...was refreshing. But most American shows won't do it. And half of those that do (especially supernatural ones) keep finding ways to bring the characters back.
It is definitely one of the many things that has drawn me to UK shows over the last 10 or so years. I'm so glad we can get them now.
The love triangles are so weird and boring. Stick with the one person sounds right. Another thing, does it always haveto be the partner they are working with, that can also be boring. Worked plenty of times as well. I voted for just in a nick of time. I would've gone with the police one, but there wouldn't be a story even though its a dumb move. The nick of time can be plain sometimes. I get with the pumped up feeling and special effects but it can be so predictable.
This was exactly why I loved Smallville. When Clark or any other character got hurt he/she stayed hurt for an appropriate amount of time. Plus there was no useless love triangles though Clark's feelings for Lana were pretty darn annoying. The 100 is also an exception to this rule. The writers aren't afraid of killing their characters and the one love triangle that appeared wasn't the main focus of the show.
For me, my big thing is that if a show is going to have a love triangle, insists on it...actually make the options both good and bad in their own ways, instead of the obvious "good, sweet guy/girl" versus the "bad boy/wild, devious girl" trope. 'Cause depending on one's preference, it's going to be so obvious which one the viewers will root for the person in the middle to go with. Instead, give both the options some shades of good and shades of bad and make the choice actually genuinely difficult, to where you can more easily sympathize with the person having to choose, and think, "Well, I like them with this person, but then this person's got some good qualities, too. And let's not forget that other guy did act like a jerk in this instance..." and so forth. But most of the time the choice is so clear that you find yourself sitting there going, "Oh, for god's sake, just pick/go be with character x already!"
I would LOVE to see more instances of women actually looking less than glamorous in their respective jobs or when they wake up in the morning or have just come from an intimate encounter or whatever. I know it's TV and people gotta look good on TV, but if you are trying to strive for some form of realism, well... And yes to women running in more comfortable shoes, too. Women can still be sexy in sneakers or tennis shoes, people, really. I promise.
I will admit to having a bit of a weakness for the "unresolved sexual tension" trope...but in a quiet, "keep it subtly lurking in the background" sort of way, instead of obvious angst over it every other episode. And I do agree that if you do have a main potential pairing dancing around each other, at some point you need to make a decision if you'll go there or not. If you do, great, if you don't, then let them sort out where they go from there, individually and as friends/partners, and then just move on.
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definitely the laugh track. i seriously hate comedies with a laugh track with a passion. whenever i'm interested in a comedy, i dismiss it when i hear laughing in the background. it usually distracts from the overall storytelling- and frankly, comedies (like go on, seed, sunny skies, new girl during the beginning and ben and kate) are so much better than comedies that have pauses in the middle so that the live audience can laugh. reminds me so much of shrek when they were in the church and there was a pause and a moment for the congregation to cry/laugh etc. most times on comedies with laugh tracks, the jokes aren't even funny!
ReplyDeleteKeeping the characters alive despite impossible odds just to keep the fanbase happy. That's why I love UK shows, because most of them aren't afraid of killing major characters.
ReplyDeleteThis x100!
ReplyDeleteI ticked "Just in the nick of time" and " Long-Last Lipstick", but...
ReplyDeleteThe thing that irks me most is when a show has a catch-all character that does the jobs of what would be 5 or 10 real world people.. ie Abbey on NCIS,
not mentioned on the poll but the ever lasting love triangles. plenty of things they do for drama without having a third party involved.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this one, that would be my pick too. Love traingles (or even squares) are so over done.
ReplyDeleteDetectives in high pumps and love triangles that last years.
ReplyDeleteConstant break ups and passionate get togethers only for it to repeat a few episodes later. If the couple was so passionate and right for eachother, they wouldn't keep breaking up.
ReplyDeleteI was just about to add love triangles. It is the most played out formula. It only works if I am equally invested in all three parties, otherwise cut it out.
ReplyDeleteI would add the whole 'will-they-won't-they' thing. Complete waste of time.
It´s funny how so many people dislike love triangles. I find that love triangles are only found in certain kind of shows (like Grey´s, Scandal, all CW shows, revenge ect). If you don´t like love triangles it seems strange to me to watch those shows.
ReplyDeleteI love shows like Justified and Sons of Anarchy, no love triangles there (well, I guess there is in SOA right now). My favorite shows are those with a good story line, but sometimes I´m in the mood for a good love triangle and then I choose the shows mentioned above.
I voted long last lipstick.
dead mother or father are suddenly alive. Leave the dead one to die
ReplyDeleteDefinitely Laugh Track Gone Crazy. I cannot begin to tell you how much i hate them.So much so in fact that is the reason i do not watch comedies anymore ( well except for Raising Hope,its hysterical).Also, Long Last Lipstick. Give me a break,please! No smeared lipstick,no runny foundation or mascara (even though its 100 degrees and humid) and their eye shadow never ounce creased.Oh, and lets not forget not one strand of hair out of place.Each wave is perfect,straight is is still straight and not one ounce of frizz..Ugh,what am i doing wrong! Ha! But then
ReplyDeleteWe also have the women who portray cops,who are running ...in 3 inch heels! Drives me crazy! The only women known to be able to do this is Sidney Bristow (Jennifer Garner) but then again she could do everything well. A close second is Annie on covert affairs. So those are my pet peeves! I could go on,but won't bore you!
Agreed!
ReplyDeleteThanks Laura.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the female leaders who are 'victims' should be another option. I mean, SOMETIMES they are annoying.
ReplyDeleteLong-last lipstick. (And hairdo and mascara. Our heroine comes through trauma still looking great).
ReplyDeleteIt is still funny to me how some put more effort in make-up and look than the credibility of the story.
The seriously hurt hero. (That was last week. He's okay now).
Emphasize on the last bit - IMO, having an emotionaly borken heroes is great for the story, but not when you exaggerate it, but when you let it come naturally to the character - and that takes time. It really annoys me when they make a lost of fuss around a broken and hurt character in the beginning, and then they foget about it in the next 10 episodes or so.
To add more:
-classic love triangles.
-afriad of killing your main characters. but it can be other way around, too - when they kill some of the main characters just to raise the tension, without any real reason.
-laugh tracks are getting pretty annoying.
-IMO, those history conspiracies, like Hitler, Holy Grail etc., are now pretty much overused.
So true. On Grimm, Nick had been orphaned and raised by an aunt. Then his mother shows up with a ridiculous story about why she pretended to be dead. Don't know what the writers were thinking.
ReplyDeleteMy bad for forgetting to put the "other" option on the poll. I'm happy to see people are going ahead with their own great ideas.
ReplyDeleteout of this list, I picked nick of time and the laugh track. Another element that is played out is the romantic triangle....
ReplyDeleteSeriously hurt heroes, unless its a show which might actually for real kill a main character like GOT then it really dampens any kind of suspense.
ReplyDeleteYes!! God damn love triangles.
ReplyDeleteno worries it worked. ;)
ReplyDeleteThis is the best poll topic thus far. Kudos Linlighthouse for a great discussion piece. If there was an all of the above button I would surely have chosen it.
ReplyDeleteIn the end it came down to Amnesia (the bane of my TV watching existence), religious people are bad (and the only group still socially acceptable to target relentlessly), let's not call the police (or even better, the police are so incompetent that calling them actually hurts your chances of survival) and miraculously healing hero (which may be the most anticlimactic cliffhanger of them all). Amnesia is a given since there has never been a good amnesia plot in the history of TV. The other three are going to come down to a coin toss.
Oh and I know it got cancelled but Zero Hour also had everything to do with Hitler. That particular story element came out of nowhere to me and now it's pervasive.
Most definitely. If your show is hanging by a love triangle or any other love geometrical shape, it is on the last throes of life. Quite frankly if the person in the middle cannot make up their mind about which person they want to be with, why would anyone want to be with them in the first place? They are obviously too wishy washy for a relationship and need to figure their own selves out first. For me a love triangle kills a show faster than anything else. There's nothing romantic about someone stringing people along.
ReplyDeleteAnother fabulous addition. Will they won't they gets a maximum of one season before it becomes more annoying than entertaining, especially when it becomes the focus of the show or even the fandom. Bones and Castle both dragged it out so long that I was rooting for the other people in their lives before they ever became a couple. It's also a guaranteed way for me to stop caring about the characters involved as a whole and look to secondary characters for my entertainment.
ReplyDeleteThat one falls under drama for drama's sake to me. You know when the drama overpasses the plot and actually gets in the way of the plot or the characters making sense.
ReplyDeleteThat plot line did go exactly nowhere fast. However for returning characters from the dead for no apparent reason, the top prize goes to Supernatural. No one ever stays dead on SPN or they are dead but come back in alternate timelines, as ghosts, as memories, etc. It cheapens death so much that it is no longer suspenseful or typically even that moving.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Dahne! And obviously, since I thought of them, these are all pet peeves of mine as well.
ReplyDeleteI think there's a legitimate case to be made for the use/overuse of all of these except for the Hitler thing.
ReplyDeleteAll of them and few more:
ReplyDelete-The seriously hurt hero - one second everyone is worried about him because his dying, hero looks really bad and weak, another second hero is fine and sometimes manage save the day, no one seems to care anymore or his is fine!
-Just in the nick of time - sometimes i caught myself wondering about how much seconds it would left untill bomb is susposted explode when someone saves the day....and not care about was going in scene, what the charecters feels when remaining time is almost over....
-Religious people are bad - yeah of curse. I not writing about this because too much i have to say, so i can't keep short.
-The amnesiac - never seems to work.
- Hitler had something to do with it - just hate that plot for many reasons.
- No one ever dates anyone who doesn't work here - after i hear this rule, i already know what happens next and what type promblems they have to deal with.
- Let's not bother calling the police - yeah, who needs cops? Let's create more promblems for self and hope that we have a big luck.
- Laugh track gone crazy - Friends only one tv show that I didn't notice laugh track, but in others tv shows i just hate laugh tracks (especialy when jokes is not even funny), so is one of reasons why i don't watch them.
- Long-last lipstick - makes me wonder what i'm doing wrong, because for me it not take long before i have fix. But that is not what annoys me most. Much more annoys me is when in tv shows women who is (for example) in coma very for long time, but somehow has perfect haircut, manicure, lipstick, mascara etc....
- triangles and another geometrical figures. Makes me wonder or characters knows that is possible to fell in love with someone who is not part of some love geometrical figure.
- will-they-won't-they thing - takes me max 2 season until i completely lost my interest in that and start be much more interest and care about second characters and find them more entertaining.
- running in high heels - i like wear high heels so i know is not easy do that without gettig fall over. After spending whole day in high heels usually feets just hates you, but in tv show seems that feets feels just fine end of the day.
- History conspiracies.
- The way portraits characters from east europe or countries who was part of SSRS and what facts says about it, because often they not make sense.
- when some character die, but then he come back later in the show.
Where's "Mum earlier presumed dead is actually alive"?
ReplyDeleteFor me it is the "Lets not bother calling the police" either cause they don't trust them is the excuse i usually hear from shows and the amnesia ones too
ReplyDeleteThe most irritating (for me) is the variation on "no one ever dates anyone who doesn't work here" where partners (cops, FBI agents...) must have that "connection". gah! (Castle and Bones were wise enough to team their LEOs with civilians.
ReplyDeleteI'd also like to add spike heels do the hairdo and mascara.)
Fun list.
"any other love geometrical shape" I almost choked on my water. :-)
ReplyDeleteI was one of the few people who was happy that they actually killed off Doyle on Angel. Loved the actor and his work but the idea that I couldn't count on a character surviving a dire story...was refreshing. But most American shows won't do it. And half of those that do (especially supernatural ones) keep finding ways to bring the characters back.
ReplyDeleteIt is definitely one of the many things that has drawn me to UK shows over the last 10 or so years. I'm so glad we can get them now.
I was trying not to name naes. :-)
ReplyDeleteI'd add, "The bad guy(s) will always fail."
ReplyDeleteThe only show I know that doesn't follow that rule is Game of Thrones.
Interesting poll.
ReplyDeleteThe love triangles are so weird and boring. Stick with the one person sounds right. Another thing, does it always haveto be the partner they are working with, that can also be boring. Worked plenty of times as well.
I voted for just in a nick of time. I would've gone with the police one, but there wouldn't be a story even though its a dumb move.
The nick of time can be plain sometimes. I get with the pumped up feeling and special effects but it can be so predictable.
Exactly but Lana Lang was 100% annoying and always in trouble
ReplyDeleteThis was exactly why I loved Smallville. When Clark or any other character got hurt he/she stayed hurt for an appropriate amount of time. Plus there was no useless love triangles though Clark's feelings for Lana were pretty darn annoying.
ReplyDeleteThe 100 is also an exception to this rule. The writers aren't afraid of killing their characters and the one love triangle that appeared wasn't the main focus of the show.
For me, my big thing is that if a show is going to have a love triangle, insists on it...actually make the options both good and bad in their own ways, instead of the obvious "good, sweet guy/girl" versus the "bad boy/wild, devious girl" trope. 'Cause depending on one's preference, it's going to be so obvious which one the viewers will root for the person in the middle to go with.
ReplyDeleteInstead, give both the options some shades of good and shades of bad and make the choice actually genuinely difficult, to where you can more easily sympathize with the person having to choose, and think, "Well, I like them with this person, but then this person's got some good qualities, too. And let's not forget that other guy did act like a jerk in this instance..." and so forth. But most of the time the choice is so clear that you find yourself sitting there going, "Oh, for god's sake, just pick/go be with character x already!"
I would LOVE to see more instances of women actually looking less than glamorous in their respective jobs or when they wake up in the morning or have just come from an intimate encounter or whatever. I know it's TV and people gotta look good on TV, but if you are trying to strive for some form of realism, well...
ReplyDeleteAnd yes to women running in more comfortable shoes, too. Women can still be sexy in sneakers or tennis shoes, people, really. I promise.
I will admit to having a bit of a weakness for the "unresolved sexual tension" trope...but in a quiet, "keep it subtly lurking in the background" sort of way, instead of obvious angst over it every other episode. And I do agree that if you do have a main potential pairing dancing around each other, at some point you need to make a decision if you'll go there or not. If you do, great, if you don't, then let them sort out where they go from there, individually and as friends/partners, and then just move on.
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