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18 Feb 2013

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123 comments:

  1. Aydrian18 February 2013 at 02:01

    Despite how much people complain about Henry sometimes, he's a very understanding kid. His long lost father apologizes to him for not being there, and instead of acting how most kids would, he understood the circumstances. He even understood why his mother lied to him. He's not happy about it, but he understood.

    I'm actually happy things didn't go well between Bae and Rumple. There's way too much bad blood there to fix things immediately. August has some explaining to do to Emma.

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  2. Nerwen Aldarion18 February 2013 at 02:02

    WTF??? WTF???? That ending was just.... Oh man this episode is AWESOME!!!!

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  3. klutzy_girl18 February 2013 at 02:06

    Whoa! I loved it so much. LOL at Rumpel also being Henry's grandfather. Hee at David's reaction to that.

    I didn't like Henry comparing Emma to Regina, but he's ten so I'll give him a pass on that. And ugh at Nealfire immediately thinking he had any say in how Henry should be raised.

    Not surprised Neal was Bae, but I loved the reunion. And holy shit at the end! Was not expecting that one. Wonder how Henry is going to be Rumpel's undoing.

    Can't wait for the next episode!

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  4. JoshuaAndre2118 February 2013 at 02:07

    So Rumple is gonna try to kill Henry? I think that's what the end was alluding to... and I'm confused, what does 'undoing' in that context mean anyway?...

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  5. James Swift18 February 2013 at 02:07

    One of the better episodes of the season, but mainly due to the acting. The writing was pretty lame up until the last scene. Everyone and their mother saw the "big" Baelfire twist coming, the reveal of what was in August's box was anti-climatic too and the flashbacks were a bit boring except for the last one this week.

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  6. Chase Hunter18 February 2013 at 02:09

    This episode was pretty amazing and the next two look even better. The ending is so interesting and begs me to ask will Mr. Gold go after Henry? And after watching all the episodes over before seeing this one it begs me to ask people what they think will happen at the end of the entire show?

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  7. Nerwen Aldarion18 February 2013 at 02:10

    That's the key, without knowing what "undoing" means Rumple is free to misinterpret it. He believes that it means Henry will kill him but I'm thinking it really means breaking the Dark One's curse

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  8. Lysh18 February 2013 at 02:14

    People were claiming this episode was the best since the pilot, but I disagree. I was VERY on the edge of my seat (literally) the entire time. The pilot was magical and left me with a smile. This left me with OMGWTF. But I liked it.

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  9. Lysh18 February 2013 at 02:16

    I LOVED that bar scene! I agree about Henry comparing Emma to Regina. And Neal thinking he deserves anything about Henry.

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  10. C P18 February 2013 at 02:25

    Rumple better not go after Henry. I don't think he will as he now knows he is his grandson.

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  11. Bros4ever18 February 2013 at 02:30

    I'm glad that Henry knows the truth now about his father I want to see them bonding as father and son and being a little family. Great episode!

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  12. tjmack198618 February 2013 at 02:38

    Yes everyone saw the Baelfire thing coming, but no one saw exactly how it was going to play out and that is what made this so great. Was the not knowing. The backstory was very interesting since we learned very important parts of Rumples past. I actually appluad the writers for not rushing to try to change the whole "Neal is Baelfire" thing just because everyone figured it out. Though, I do agree, the acting was amazing in this episode. Especially Jennifer Morrison.

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  13. ^Marieliwii18 February 2013 at 02:42

    Henry is Rumpel's undoing... that's the most important part of the episode... this second half of the season is going to be epic!

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  14. Klaus18 February 2013 at 02:52

    best OUAT episode ever!!

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  15. magnutude18 February 2013 at 03:12

    Pretty good ep that gave us the intersection of the storylines and some long overdue answers to boot whilst setting up for things to come.... the one thing that I didn't get (or forgot if it was ever mentioned) was how did Regina adopt Henry there in Storybrooke when if I recall correctly that Emma had Henry when she was in prison in Arizona(?)... assuming that someone had to get him there to Maine, but since no one ever left SB and outsiders never came in either..... unless it's like what Regina/Cora said to Hook that since they weren't victims of the curse, they could leave without losing their memories and then did so, but then why would she purposely seek Henry out? too much to think about that probably doesn't affect the trajectory of the plots.....

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  16. oddball8718 February 2013 at 03:12

    Holy balls this was awesome, best episode this season! The noises I was making watching this were not human, lol. Loved the scenes with Bae/Emma/Henry/Rumple. I'm assuming Henry will be Rumples undoing, as in undoing of the Dark One curse, and I don't think Rum has it in him to kill his grandson, as it would destroy his relationship with Bae; not that it's on good terms anyways, but still, there would be no coming back from that.

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  17. Lissie_Bee18 February 2013 at 03:16

    Lots of great stuff, especially regarding character development (I REALLY enjoyed Henry's talks with Gold), but my main takeaway? That child seer was creepy as hell.

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  18. phnxgrl18 February 2013 at 03:20

    This is a real game changer. Gold has to kill his own grandson!

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  19. phnxgrl18 February 2013 at 03:21

    The only person could have been August since he was immune to the curse.

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  20. phnxgrl18 February 2013 at 03:26

    Gold as the dark one could be commanded if Cora has the dagger to kill Henry then Emma and Regina oppose him.

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  21. laura334118 February 2013 at 03:30

    WOW!!!! LOVED IT! Best episode this season! Oh i feel bad for Rump,after all these years only to find out his grand son will be his undoing! Oh this episode was outstanding,going to watch it again..now!

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  22. Linlighthouse18 February 2013 at 03:42

    Oh yeah, you're right. That mother-daughter conversation.

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  23. Luana Arturi18 February 2013 at 03:56

    first episode that really interested me in a long time

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  24. Alessandra Cardullo18 February 2013 at 04:08

    no words to describe it

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  25. Kathleen Kervin18 February 2013 at 04:46

    Rumple should have learned from his first encounter with the seer that what seems obvious is not always what it seems. He survived the Ogre Wars but his son still grew up without a father because of his cowardice and becoming the Dark One.


    So while Henry may be the end of who Rumple is, what he may end up doing is taking The Dark One away and still leaving Rumple alive. No need to kill Henry just yet.

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  26. Kathleen Kervin18 February 2013 at 04:47

    That's what I think too. Now we wait and see if Rumple is smart enough to figure it out.

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  27. Kathleen Kervin18 February 2013 at 04:50

    Henry Is a little too willing to trust Nealfire. Doesn't he want to know why Emma wanted to keep him from his father? Has he learned nothing about Emma in the past year and a half?


    He's also wrong in saying Emma is like Regina because Regina is back home plotting to kill Emma, Snow and Charming so she can have Emma all to herself.

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  28. magnutude18 February 2013 at 04:52

    Agreed. the seer reminded me of one of the monsters from the movie "Pan's Labyrinth" ... totally creeped me out

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  29. magnutude18 February 2013 at 04:55

    I guess that being the "undoing" of Gold could also mean that Henry could bring about the end of Gold being the Dark One and becoming a good guy once again.. and therefore he wouldn't have to kill him... that's just a hopeful guess though

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  30. Sarah Elizabeth Ann18 February 2013 at 05:19

    LOVED the episode! Despite knowing that Baelfire was Neal, I was still on the edge of my seat when Emma knocked him down and freaking out when he confirmed that he's Bae. Really curious to see if Gold keeps up his declaration to kill the boy who will be his "undoing."


    The only thing that they never covered that I'm still confused about (and hopefully will be brought up later) is Bae/Neal's age. I know it's a minor thing but he looks Emma's age despite being at least 28 years older. Either he's also Peter Pan (a theory I saw somewhere that I doubt is true) or he was stuck in that portal for years and dropped in our world at a certain time after the curse had been enacted. (I don't know why I care about minor details like this but I do.)

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  31. Alexandra Kholodova18 February 2013 at 05:43

    I'm not sure as to 'how', but I remember in the first season Regina asked Gold how did he get Henry or something like that. So my understanding is that Gold actually acquired Henry for Regina.

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  32. Erica Hudson18 February 2013 at 06:06

    they are going into that storyline later this season. I truly think Rump didn't not know Henry was his grandson though, its just he knew he would need Henry to get Emma so that she could break the curse because Rump knew once the curse was broken he would be free to find his son.

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  33. Danielle Thomas18 February 2013 at 06:07

    Ok its official my mind is blown from this episode. Henry is Rumples grandson.WOW!!! Now the whole Regina and her mother, there is something there that just seems a little off like Regina is only going along with her mother to back stab her in the end. I think Regina and Cora will find that dagger and then Regina will betray her mother. The whole thing about Henry being Rumples undoing I think they may drag that storyline out a little bit so hopefully we can see just how that will be. In the end I do not think that Rumple will kill Henry. On to the outsider guy in the hospital, he is going to be trouble and I think that he will not last much longer. I mean him recording Regina doing magic and sending it to whoever he was talking to was not good. I can see this story line being a season 3 scenario, you know, more people showing up in Storybrook to investigate. Over all it was a great episode cant wait for the rest of the season to play out.

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  34. oddball8718 February 2013 at 06:14

    This is what I think will happen. He doesn't have it in him to kill Henry. He would lose Bae forever if he did it.

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  35. prpleight18 February 2013 at 06:22

    So, now we know. Gold never *really* heard a thing Belle said to him. Things got tough and Bae didn't immediately forgive him, so he immediately starts listing magical solutions. Though Gold admits to being a work in progress. The scenes and character work were really awesome tonight....story wise...I've come to expect more from this show than all the predictable scenes. The only surprise came at the end...with the Seer's prediction about Henry. It was a good episode, it's just that I expect more.



    I love the way the Cora sold her plan to Regina. We'll make Rumpelstiltskin kill Snow White, Emma and Charming and Henry can't blame you. Why was Hook surprised that Cora went back on her word?


    David's reaction was priceless.

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  36. inhighheels18 February 2013 at 06:53

    Considering the amount of Regina in this episode (which was disappointing to say the least), I liked it a lot. Thank acting, specially Robert Carlyle, for that.
    But, show, give me happy biological family crap to see what happens. I dare you! I double dare you! Jesus, I'm gonna be so incredibly pissed off.

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  37. Aleksandra Anna Gorska18 February 2013 at 07:10

    Oh My God! I literally spent like entire episode with my nails in my cheeks repeating "omg" over and over again. This episode was epic! I have no words!
    It explained a lot and I am glad that Bae wasn't just 'oh, dad! i missed you'. old did it all wrong. Bae ran away from magic and he tried to bring him back because of magic. No 'son, I missed you, I need you, I love you', but 'come, there is magic'.
    And the whole family reunion was just amazing! Oh God! What an epic episode!

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  38. MeatyStakes18 February 2013 at 08:47

    I think Henry is acting appropriately for his age. He's very naive and believes everyone can change ( I don't think he understand the magnitude of the evilness Regina has done in his naivete), but he hates being lied to. So that's why he lumps Emma with Regina so easily.


    He's a kid.

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  39. MeatyStakes18 February 2013 at 08:49

    Why so many downvotes? The Baelfire was a huge untwist, everybody knew it! That doesn't mean it won't open interesting narrative possibilities.

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  40. MeatyStakes18 February 2013 at 08:52

    But it was so untwisty! I'm not against Bae=Neal, but it could have been handled so much better in "Talahasse"

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  41. Alexandra Kholodova18 February 2013 at 09:15

    I also think that Rumple didn't know about Henry/Emma's connection to Nealfire. I guess, We'll c... For some reason this season I got an impression that Rumple actually didn't remember anything about the fairytale land until Emma came to town... If that's true, he couldn't have known Henry's the son of the saviour... So to sum up - everything is confusing :))) But OUaT always finds a logical explanation :)))

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  42. MeatyStakes18 February 2013 at 09:16

    Great episode! Mosly character stuff, and I love that. Rumple's flashbacks explained a lot of why he is who he is, and his confrontation with Bae was perfect. Neal is a hardened man, and he is just through with his father. It was played very realistically.

    I'm still not satisfied with the unreveal. I don't think is that "Neal is Bae" is bad on itself (It will lead to an scrumptious narrative!) but it was poorly executed in "Tallahassee". It lacked, I dunno, structure, sneakyness. It was too obvious, and they tried to make it a twist by removing any foreshadowing. It just seems sloppily handled.

    Why it was obvious? It was the easiest choice, the simpler narratively speaking. It ties everything on a neat bow. It was such a widespread theory because it was an easy solution. I would have loved that the writers had acknowledged this in Tallahassee by putting more foreshadowing on it. Neal doesn't hint being from a magical land at all, creating a misdirection that now that it was revealed that he is Rumple's son, just seems a narrative flop.

    I mean, since the idea was so obvious, wouldn't have been better to just recognize that? Build it up in Tallahasse, adding more mystery on Neal, like a knowing wink? Like "Oh, he is who you think he is *wink*"



    But instead, Neal is Bae in Tallahassee gives me a 30 Rock imagery of Tracy Jordan breaking character and pretending is accidental instead of crudely (and obviously) intentional. "Oh oh!! See? This guy can't be Bae!! He's not saying anything that could be miss-constructed as evidence of something that he so totally is not!!"


    Regardless of this ep making Tallahassee relatively worse and confusing, it put all the cards on the table and moves things forward so wondrously. It justifies why Neal=Bae was an obvious choice: it opens a whole new level of messed up for Emma.


    I like the plot, I just didn't like how it was handled.

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  43. MeatyStakes18 February 2013 at 09:18

    The wording on prophecies is always tricky!


    Maybe Gold accepting his fate this time will be his salvation. The loss of his power, but being happy with his loved ones.

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  44. Maret Hosemann18 February 2013 at 10:55

    Awesome episode. I hate that we have another break now.

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  45. Aleksandra Anna Gorska18 February 2013 at 11:22

    But seriously why Neal is the bad guy here? He tried to save himself and as he said, if he knew that Emma is from FTL he would never go close to her. He was selfish but that doesn't make him the bad guy. And besides that Emma can't say that Neal is bad. She left Henry too she is as guilty as Neal.

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  46. Ahnjayla18 February 2013 at 11:52

    but I am his grandfather!!!!! LOLOLOL....................you can have two!............LOLOLOLOL

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  47. Aleksandra Anna Gorska18 February 2013 at 12:10

    According to what Rumpel said, Bae was 14 when he left so that means that Neal is around 42-43. (Henry is 11 now so I uess a year passed since Emma cam to SB) But he doesn't look that way. So maybe I could stick with the theory someone wrote that he might stick for a while in the portal or maybe he came to real world a little bit later. there is a big chaos with the timing in this show. What if Bae came to real world when the curse was still going? and he was like in his 20's when he met Emma.

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  48. Michał Baczyński18 February 2013 at 12:57

    Kick me if I'm wrong but I still think that Regina i playing Cora... :) When it comes to chosing between "mommy dearest" and her son, she will definitelly choose Henry... and ALL EVIL REGAL WILL REJOICE! :P

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  49. DarthLocke418 February 2013 at 13:01

    Thought this one was a GREAT episide emotionally, despite having Neal be Bae being predictable, it turned out to be a good predictable, as MRJ really adds something unique to the mix.

    Of course I love stuff like Seers and Fate and typical Bad Robot concept of piece of the puzzle that H. & K. continue in the tradition of! The Seer herself reminded me of a character in the film "Pan's Labyrinth", as her eyes where in her hands, but unlike that film, the Seer was clearly connected to 'fate' (collective conscience) through these visions and it was interesting that The Dark One didn't come with this power, that Rumple took it from her!



    I think the phrase "Undoing" is the catch 22, because what "it" is that Henry or Bae (The Boy) could "undo' might be something good and not the end of Rumple, but just the end of a certain part of his identity.


    The Boy is special, We're gonna have to take the boy, the boy must live!


    Even though I think at times Emma does have things in common with Regina, I think Henry was a little out of line with Emma here, but I know he's a kid and his feelings are hurt, but I hope it doesn't turn into something...I also could see Regina making moves on Bae (which would be a little icky if Bae is truly Rumple's biological son) to get closer to Henry...


    Oh and I really want a Felicity-styled Thanksgiving Episode now thanks to David! :D

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  50. DarthLocke418 February 2013 at 13:09

    I think truthfully you're right, but Emma and Neal clearly have abandonment issues and I think it's hard for Emma to forgive in general, because it didn't just happen to her once and because she really had established no relationship with her parents at all...Emma spent the rest of her life fighting against people who are irresponsible in their relationships (Bonds women) to try and make the world the better place. She thought she wouldn't be a good mother and I think she feared having her own son abandoning her, but the truth be told, now is really her chance to try and fix her own mistakes and try and trust and love again.

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  51. DarthLocke418 February 2013 at 13:14

    Yeah it really was good one! (and the next few sound great too!). I feel good that Neal is Bae. I think MRJ adds something good to the narrative. It allows for doors to be open for Emma, Rumple, and Henry that I think are much needed (especially Emma) before the season ends.

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  52. DarthLocke418 February 2013 at 13:28

    Well we don't know if the evolutionary rate is the same in all of these parallel realities, as how long it takes for this thing to evolve (or what their definition of a year is) isn't the same from place to place.


    But I think since the future(s) in some way already exists in "vision" (conscience--FATE!), then it's plausible that sometimes magic can spit you out where "it" thinks you need to be. (Like Lost's Island). And/or he didn't age the same way...


    But I wonder if he did stay in The Land Without Magic the whole time?

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  53. DarthLocke418 February 2013 at 13:30

    That is what I think the whole point of the series is! Doing to re-do, to undo what was done to get to a better place (happier endings).

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  54. DarthLocke418 February 2013 at 13:32

    Exactly. -As Rumple explained and was frustrated with, seeing the future is hard, because one doesn't know what context to put the vision in. Rumple might usually have a leg up because his negotiating skills create physical bonds and is ultimately a "people skill", but the catch 22 is what to apply what to, like the word "undoing" for example...

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  55. DarthLocke418 February 2013 at 13:34

    I agree about Regina. She has been acting very strange indeed!

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  56. Jay Gibbs18 February 2013 at 13:35

    No, it's too easy to have Neal be Bae. I think he's just playing Rumple, like August tried to do.

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  57. Leonie198818 February 2013 at 13:40

    I understand that Henry is now angry with Emma, but I hope they'll continue to have their cool relationship.

    Everybody knew Neal was Bae, but it was just so damn predictable. I loved how Snow and Charming tried to untangle all the relationships :)

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  58. Leonie198818 February 2013 at 13:43

    Yes! That's what I thougth myself. Well maybe he just needs time to process, he is just 11 after all.

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  59. DarthLocke418 February 2013 at 13:44

    I think it's anyone's best guess if when they arrive to Storybrook if Gold's memories included his visions, but I have been asking this question since season one, if Gold had to "prepare" in order to procure Henry for Regina or is The Curse basically took care of it by having all variables in place? ( I also find it interesting that it had to be Henry Sr that had to be killed for the curse, as this might be why Henry Jr. is a "key" piece in the here and the now--->there's a quantum mechanical relationship that also suggests that FUTURE was effecting the past) -This episode ultimately suggests that the curse is apart of these characters fates, so it seems like whether any of them know certain things or not may become moot.

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  60. Aleksandra Anna Gorska18 February 2013 at 13:48

    I would be grateful for some exact times in this show. I mean Emma was there the whole year or maybe just half year? We don't know what year and what month Henry was born. So we can just assume that it has been a year. And Neal another mystery. I mean he was 14 in FTL, but here? For him it also could be just 28 years or maybe even less. Rumpel was jumping here and there in time so we don't really know when Bae was gone and how many years took Rumpel to create the course since Bae was gone. Maybe Neal is also 29 or maybe 35. I really would like to know that.


    And also I want to know how August found out about Neal being Baelfire since nobody knew about Rumpel's son.

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  61. Aleksandra Anna Gorska18 February 2013 at 14:02

    And the thing I really didn't like was Emma saying that Neal is really bad guy because he is a thief. Hello, miss Emma Swan car thief?

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  62. DarthLocke418 February 2013 at 14:05

    But she's not one anymore...As for Neal we don't know in any capacity if he changed.

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  63. DarthLocke418 February 2013 at 14:08

    Ya! August and what he knows and if he is working for anyone in particular is a good mystery!

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  64. Aleksandra Anna Gorska18 February 2013 at 14:12

    But neither does she! I mean she saw him like 11 years ago so she cannot jump to conclusion that bad Neal from the past is still bad. But anyway he wanted to settle down with her and the watches were the last con. He was running away when she rang the bell, but still she can't just do that.

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  65. Aleksandra Anna Gorska18 February 2013 at 14:35

    That's a good mystery. So I am looking forward to know how he got to this information. He must have watching him or something since he had everything ready to show him.

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  66. Pauline NICOLAS18 February 2013 at 15:07

    "so she can have Emma all to herself." :D lol

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  67. mzso18 February 2013 at 15:11

    When will we find out that Rumple is Regina's father too? :)

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  68. DarthLocke418 February 2013 at 15:15

    I'm not disputing that Emma doesn't know, but people aren't perfect and all of the characters reflect truth about flaws. For Emma, her perception or reality is more understandable to the audience IMO, since we know more about her and know she was trying to do the right thing. It's just now knowing the Curse is apart of fate makes the situation much more complicated, especailly since "the family" keeps expanding...

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  69. Brubrubs18 February 2013 at 15:27

    August has to come back !! After all, the curse was broken before he "died"

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  70. Aleksandra Anna Gorska18 February 2013 at 15:31

    Well I love Emma and usually I am on her side. But sometimes I just don't like what she is doing. Like with Regina, when she raised Henry and then Emma decided to be a mother so Regina is the bad one. Now with Neal when she told Henry not to tell Neal his age. But I hope that she'll get to the right point, she was the one without family and so was Neal so now they want it so badly that they are gonna be perfect parents

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  71. Carrie Reich18 February 2013 at 15:44

    Somebody please tell me how Regina is Henry's step-great-grandmother? She was Rumple's step-mother? When was that revealed? Apparently I missed something in his backstory along the way...

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  72. DarthLocke418 February 2013 at 15:53

    Well what Regina was all willing to do to get "here" does make her a bad person IMO, but ultimately we see that Rumple, Cora, and Fate (including the curse) all play a bigger role in why things are the way they are. I have empathy and hope for all of them, but they all make mistakes and do some pretty horrible/unfair stuff (some more than others), but this is their second chance to become better people. (and IMO it's all because of Henry)LOST Quote:"All roads lead here."

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  73. Ralissa Vassilissa18 February 2013 at 16:10

    She's Snow White's step-mother. Snow is Henry's grandmother. Therefore, Regina is Henry's step-great-grandmother.

    Try explaining this with a straight face to someone who doesn't watch OUAT!

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  74. Feekk18 February 2013 at 16:14

    No, I'm done with that, plus it would be a repeat concept... I don't want it to happen... As much as I don't like either, this is it...

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  75. Feekk18 February 2013 at 16:16

    I know!! As much as I like David, he sounded a bit, um, respectfully idiotic in there... I laughed out loud...

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  76. Carrie Reich18 February 2013 at 16:22

    Gotcha...I wasn't thinking of it from Snow's side because they were so focused on Rumple's story this ep.

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  77. C P18 February 2013 at 16:57

    I think he was just in shock. People can say things that don't make sense when they're stunned.

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  78. DarthLocke418 February 2013 at 17:03

    Well I have been reading around online a little and have noticed that some think maybe that the Seer is the Blind Witch from "True North" (The which of Hansel and Gretel)...

    I don't think they are the same being, but I can't deny the possibility of a parallel or a relationship dynamic, as Henry was reunited with his father, Bae was reunited with his father, just as Hansel and Gretel where and how H and G parallesl Emma and Neal's own past (runaways thieves). -As for the Seer and the Blind which, thinking about The Dark One and the weird shout out to "riding horseback" here, I wonder if they might have been sisters and if these aren't also allusions to Sleepy Hallow as well? (especially considering Orci and Kurtzman's Pilot for a modern day retelling is a go!)

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  79. Lilith Hellfire18 February 2013 at 17:12

    I'm sorry but did anyone else find the typewriter thing lame?

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  80. tjmack198618 February 2013 at 17:22

    Yes it was so "untwisty" but you have to realize that not only with a show like this but with television this day in age, it is extremely hard for anything to be "a major twist" unless it is shot in the studio where fans cannot witness it happening, or unless they completely close down the set that they are filming at and not allow fans to witness the filming. They aren't going to do that unless it's going to be a huge, huge twist...or they will take precautions like they did with the season one finale.

    This show is not all about the "big twist", it's also about the emotional twist, and that is what this episode about. So yeah, we all knew that Neal was Baelfire, but we didn't know the depth of the emotional fallout behind it. We didn't know how anyone in particular was going to react, which added major depth to the emotional side to the episode which made this an emotional twist more so than a storyline twist.

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  81. Aleksandra Anna Gorska18 February 2013 at 17:38

    Well that is interesting. Maybe you are right, everything is kinda connected. There was prophecy that some boy will lead Rumpel to Bae, but firls there should be Emma and course and fatal love with Bae who left her and she gave up the kid for adoption who landed in Evil Queen's life and then he found Emma and the circle is complete. And all of that suddenly changed all lives. Regina is trying to be a better person and all the things are leading her one way or another. If Emma will treat her like she is now Regina will be the bad one, but if something will change then Regina maybe gonna be the nice mother.

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  82. laura334118 February 2013 at 20:15

    So true! Fringe everywhere i look but where i want it to be,dammit,ha!

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  83. oddball8718 February 2013 at 20:52

    Ew, no. I really hope they don't go there.

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  84. mzso18 February 2013 at 21:05

    Well, the there were hints with Cora. And Bae was in a timeless place (according to the promo) so that fits too.

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  85. Aleksandra Anna Gorska18 February 2013 at 21:34

    This is oing to be kinda sick then :D It is all family complicated. Jeez :d Poor Henry

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  86. Linlighthouse18 February 2013 at 22:42

    I think we're going to like the addition of Neal/Bae. Loved how he and Henry connected. I've started to wonder, though, as to the seer's vision of a young boy being Rumpel's undoing, could it be another boy? We just assume it's Henry, but I've got a bit of a Fringe hangover.

    Of course Cora can take over the likeness of Gold and frame him the way she did her daughter. Such a classy lady.

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  87. DarthLocke418 February 2013 at 22:53

    Yes! I think you are right! I forgot about her and you're right they are way too similar to be coincidence! Thanks!

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  88. DarthLocke418 February 2013 at 23:04

    Yes and no. My first reaction was that it was a bit lame, but then I thought about what stories mean to humanity (knowledge, preservation, communication) and how August comes to own this old type writer of all things. So I think It was poetic. I've also wondered if August has an ability to write a story, word, or phrase and can make things happen, spinning the concept of fate and course corrector a little more?

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  89. lsbloom19 February 2013 at 00:14

    Wait like August "made" him Baelfire? I liked "Delirious" okay, but I'm not sure that works. If he could write fate, why wouldn't he write Emma to believe?

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  90. DarthLocke419 February 2013 at 00:38

    It's just an idea. I have no evidence. If he would have an ability like that, then he surely hasn't used it often, but I thought it was curious thing that his sudo-occupation would be "writer" of all things...


    But his name (and role in "Tallahassee") might be parallel to the Observer August from Fringe...Observers seek to course correct based on a future they can see and/or believe in, as August could see a future with Christine Hollis, where the others could not (and August's Story was about love and hope and ends up ringing true to changing fate, or find a way to create another future at the end of the series. And Fringe had telekinetic pairs of type writers...)


    It wasn't anything concrete or even serious just something I thought about.

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  91. DarthLocke419 February 2013 at 00:50

    But really, if Bae is truly Rumple's biological son, then Regina is also Henry's Aunt, as Regina would be Bae's half sister...

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  92. Kyra19 February 2013 at 02:23

    loved this ep but wish they would clarify Regina/Emma/Henry custody thing before they added yet another element to that

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  93. oddball8719 February 2013 at 02:35

    That's a nice theory! I was just assuming that Rum had killed her/she died after giving her powers to him.

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  94. Kathleen Kervin19 February 2013 at 02:57

    Emma decided to stay in Storybrook after she saw how Regina treated Henry. Before that, she was going to go back home. So it's not that she suddenly decided to be a mother but she saw that Regina wasn't being a good mother to Henry so she on the job.


    As for Neal, I think he's the bad buy because he turned Emma in to the police for having the watches that he himself stole, and because he let her spend a year in prison because of it, never checking up on her to see if she was all right. Emma was a minor, Neal was an adult, even older if he spent time in Neverland before he got to Manhattan, so he shouldn't have .


    Emma loved him, and he bailed on her and left her in prison.No wonder she doesn't want Henry to count on Neal.

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  95. Kathleen Kervin19 February 2013 at 02:58

    Oops. :-)
    And I am so not a Swan Queen shipper.

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  96. João Paulo19 February 2013 at 05:25

    For me is one of the best episode of this season, Henry, Rumple, Emma and Bae reunited is incredible. The episode have a excelent character delevopment and great storyline very coherent actually.



    Know the Rumple is Henry's grandfather is awesome, because both with Regina, Snow and Emma are my favorite characters, Snow first of course.

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  97. Aleksandra Anna Gorska19 February 2013 at 07:16

    Well yeah, but August promised him to take care of her. I know it was all his fault but seriously it wasn't really that bad.

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  98. DarthLocke419 February 2013 at 14:05

    Ya. There's def similar Lost and Fringe themes her with making "a boy" important an having them be a threat, but I'm not 100% sold that it is Henry, or Henry alone, as Bae will always be to Rumple, his child, his son, his boy...

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  99. Qwerty19 February 2013 at 14:49

    Will Rumple go after Henry? No, just no... He said that when he even didn't know Henry at all, when he had no idea how this ends. And remember that awesome talk between him and Henry while they waited for Emma? By then he must have realized that the boy the seer was talking about is Henry. And what did he do? He thanked him, treated him well and bought him a hotdog :D

    Even if Henry was simply Henry and the son of Emma, I don't think he would ever go after him. If at some moment he would really have to decide between himself and Henry, he would probably choose himself but that's all. And now, when Henry is his grandchild... And after all those sons-fathers moments, I believe he would even choose Henry over himself now, partially so that there will be at least one moment in his and Bae's life where he makes the right choice...



    And how the show ends? No idea :)) But I have a decent idea about how THIS SEASON ends and that includes going back to FTL. After all that would make season 3 awesome. Plus I think that in the next season we're also gonna explore that 'other realms' thing which was both heavily hinted at and also does sound pretty interesting.

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  100. stormqueen19 February 2013 at 15:03

    Neal's birthday is presumably close to the age he's 'supposed' to look. So he should be in his mid-30s. He was 24 when he met Emma.

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  101. laura334119 February 2013 at 15:47

    Your right,i'm not absolutely sure its Henry either..


    Do we know who Greg is,or what he does? I feel like i missed something.At first i thought he was just passing through,and he wasn't important but now i'm not too sure ?

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  102. NatterTV19 February 2013 at 16:19

    I would love it if season 3 took place in FTL with flashbacks to Storybrooke and maybe Young Emma/ How Henry came to SB, What Mr Gold was really like, Maybe even a little background on August's life ..etc. I think that would be cool

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  103. NatterTV19 February 2013 at 16:28

    Maybe Henry will be the Hero at the end of the season ..Remember how he said he wanted to be the hero? Since Regina and Cora are after the dagger maybe Henry will be the undoing of that. I'm also hoping Regina is playing Cora and there is a good chance she will be the one that saves them at the end of the season. Now that would be a fun twist. I wouldn't be surprised if COra has Regina's heart. Something is just not right with her lately.

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  104. NatterTV19 February 2013 at 16:31

    I kind of feel stupid for not thinking that honestly. We knew he had a type writer in there....it kind of makes sense that it would be something with words on it... but yea I didn't think of it at all.

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  105. NatterTV19 February 2013 at 16:35

    I'm with you. I hope she was just a "Price" rather then his child. If they are keeping up with the original Rumple story, then he should have made a deal with the miller's daughter for her first born in order to make her the Queen by spinning gold for her and Cora would totally take that deal. But of course OUaT likes to twist it up so I guess we'll see

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  106. NatterTV19 February 2013 at 16:36

    Loved when Mr Gold Says "you two know each other..?0" and then realizing it's true "YOU TWO KNOW EACHOTHER!!!"

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  107. DarthLocke419 February 2013 at 17:28

    There's an episode coming up titled, "Lacey". Some think it will relate to a place, like Lacey, Washington, and someone came up with the 1980's female detective show "Lacey and Cagney" (as I'm sure you know we have that special flashback coming up)!

    I thought his Star Wars ringtone was interesting, as it kind of relates to Regina and this ever expanding family saga we have going on, but also because Greg is so unreadable. Does Greg believe in magic/fantasy and what if his wife or close friend is a detective or a scientist? Would he want to expose it and make a prophet like Charles Widmore, or is he Innocent and just in aww? -What happens if Greg dies? (<-these kinds of things go along with "Expose`" too, which Bell was watching in a previous episode!)

    The thought crossed my mind that this could be a red hearing, but I hope not. I like the prospect of having to protect Storybrook (and maybe even the bean stalks) just long enough to escape and/or go home?!

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  108. Sandra M. Pereira19 February 2013 at 21:17

    Explain please.

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  109. DarthLocke419 February 2013 at 22:57

    In "The Name of the Brother" there is an implication that Regina could be Cora and Rumple's biological daughter, as opposed to Cora and Henry Sr.'s biological father. (Some speculate this also because she is the one who has to enact the curse-suggesting 'family' is like a bridge) With Bae, some speculate that Mila might have cheated on Rumple, but we don't know for sure. If not, then Regina and Bae are blood related, as they have the same father, thus they are half siblings making Regina biologically related to Henry, his father's [half] sister, his Aunt for all intended purposes.

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  110. phnxgrl19 February 2013 at 23:35

    Well so far the only way to get rid of the Dark One is to become him yourself. So is Henry going to become the next Dark One? Could his innate goodness destroy this evil once and for all?

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  111. Qwerty20 February 2013 at 09:31

    That's a good idea :)

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  112. Folie-lex23 February 2013 at 00:43

    I believe the argument here is Rumple probably hasn't learnt. He knows that being able to see the future is more complicated, but he is selfish and a coward and I can see him going after Henry despite them being family, so save himself just in case his assumption is right. He's not the type to care about consequences as long as he gets what he wants. It's part of who he is. His incompetence to sacrifice and make compromises yet yearning to be loved regardless is what makes him a tragic character... and a villain...

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  113. Rory8 April 2014 at 01:09

    And I am sure he will be. Because he knows how it is without a father so I am sure that he will make it up for these lost years. That's why he'll come back to Storybrooke with Emma and Henry.

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  114. Rory8 April 2014 at 01:09

    But this is different. I mean Emma and Neal were alone, no parents and Henry has a lot of parents and grandparents so it is different for him. Emma and Neal had this situation that stealing was the only option for them and I don't approve stealing, but they lost their way and there was absolutely no-one who could guide them. And Henry has Emma, Snow, Charming, Regina and now Neal and even Rumpelstiltskin.

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  115. EvilZygonRabbit8 April 2014 at 04:56

    I KNOW!! These breaks are so frustrating!

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  116. EvilZygonRabbit8 April 2014 at 04:56

    Good theory! That's what I'm going with.

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  117. MeatyStakes8 April 2014 at 04:56

    Of course; my beef is not against "Manhattan" It played all the necessary cords emotionally and it was a well crafted hour of television based on character interactions. My favorite.

    It was Tallahassee that made any revealing pay-off of Neal=Bae difficult. It didn't commit to the idea at all, omitting any possible connection to cause a missdirection (that no one bought)

    I didn't liked that it was treated as a twist, when it clearly never was. If the writing had been more foreshadowy in Tallahassee, it would have been much better IMO. WHat I mean, Manhattan is good, but it makes Tallahassee worse in retrospective.

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  118. EvilZygonRabbit8 April 2014 at 04:57

    :) Yeah, I think we're going to find that out soon. Probably in "The Miller's Daughter".

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  119. tjmack19868 April 2014 at 04:57

    While I will agree that Tallahassee made no point to foreshadow Neal as Bae, I don't think they were wrong in that.Tallahassee was in no means a Neal/Bae or Rumple storyline, so there would have been absolutely no reason to foreshadow it. It was about Emma, who didn't even know that Storybrooke existed, so why would they take the time in Emma's backstory to foreshadow that Neal is Bae? There is no reason for it.

    I also, know that if they did that, then there would have been plenty of fans who complained about it. The way I see it, is that Adam and Eddie and the entire OUAT writing team work really, really hard to bring us fans quality television. They in no way can make everyone happy. No matter what they do or write, someone is always complaining that it was wrong. Writing for a television show is probably not the easiest thing, especially when coupled with the complicated mythology of the show. I think that fans need to be a bit more understanding, and stop trying to find every little thing that is or could be wrong with a show, and just enjoy it. Once Upon A Time serves its purpose of letting you relax and forget about real world problems for an hour a week. It's great storytelling and one of the best shows on television, at least out of all of the ones that I watch, and I watch a lot of television. It's just very upsetting to see fans complain so much, when the show is just that good. Not every episode of a show is going to be "OMG fantastic", but this show is able to bring at least a little bit of a wow factor every single week that it's on.

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  120. Aaronia8 April 2014 at 04:57

    And what about the other Blind Witch, the one who appeared in episode 1.2? She had also her eyes sewn up like the one in this episode, and she did look much older. So, if they were the same character, that could be a fact to take into account to calculate how much time passed between Rumples attacking her and the enacting of the curse.

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  121. EvilZygonRabbit8 April 2014 at 04:57

    I think the point there is that she doesn't want Henry to turn out like her *or* Neal.

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  122. MeatyStakes8 April 2014 at 04:57

    Indeed!

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  123. omabin8 April 2014 at 05:10

    Probably the best of the season. I liked it a lot. We all knew it was coming that Neal was going to be Bae. I wish they would have swapped the order of the episodes though. They should have shown this one now and in a couple of episodes flashback to when Emma meets him and then we would see why he left her and all that. I would have prefered to be in a dark for a few episodes to whether or not he was good or bad. Anyway, very emotional and intense episode. Jennifer Morison was excellent and so was Robert. The storybrooke plot was very meh, I find it very annoying that the villains are sneaking around like that, they have no need to be. Looking forward also to the see what comes out of the storyline with the out of the town patient.

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