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Dec 3, 2012

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122 comments:

  1. Abhiroop SalujaDecember 3, 2012 at 2:00 AM

    That was one hell of a episode
    can't wait months for another one...... at the end i was like
    not the town watch tower again..... not again.... and the ship came :)

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  2. ALLADecember 3, 2012 at 2:01 AM

    I was losing my interest in that show, but the truth is it was a good episode.
    I keep disliking Hook and Regina being not a villain but......

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  3. Jesus Tadeo Ibarra GuerreroDecember 3, 2012 at 2:01 AM

    That's how you show you want to change. Poor Regina!

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  4. inhighheelsDecember 3, 2012 at 2:04 AM

    Anybody who tells me Regina is a bitch is going to freaking die. AND SOMEONE PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT HENRY, GOD! I'm sorry, I never liked him, but now I officially hate his guts.
    /rantover

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  5. AydrianDecember 3, 2012 at 2:07 AM

    They did a better job with the special effects.

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  6. klutzy_girlDecember 3, 2012 at 2:07 AM

    Why? He was right.

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  7. klutzy_girlDecember 3, 2012 at 2:08 AM

    I loved it so much! Charming family feels all over the place. Glad everyone's back. And holy crap at the end!


    And can Mulan and Aurora make out already, or...?

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  8. C PDecember 3, 2012 at 2:14 AM

    I was felt bad for Regina when Henry left with the others, but at least Henry showed his appreciation and hugged her.

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  9. C PDecember 3, 2012 at 2:16 AM

    Awesome episode. So glad Emma and Snow are back in Storybrooke and Charming's awake.

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  10. Elena WonderlandDecember 3, 2012 at 2:18 AM

    Poor Regina.She saved the day but she was left alone in the end :( They weren't even kind enough to invite her to dinner.How do expect from someone to become good and loving when all you do is despise them and keep the away??If the Charmings and all the others were the so called GOOD ones they would be familiar with the terms:forgiveness and compassion.

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  11. Jesus Tadeo Ibarra GuerreroDecember 3, 2012 at 2:23 AM

    how can i give you 10,000 likes?

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  12. Chase HunterDecember 3, 2012 at 2:23 AM

    First off, this was very good episode not the best but certainly worth watching. I'm greatly anticipating what will happen with Cora and Hook now in town. I'm also hoping we will see Cora's back story. Also, I knew once Emma and Snow came back Henry would not really care for Regina. Poor Regina I wish I could give her a hug, she has had the hardest life of them all.

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  13. inhighheelsDecember 3, 2012 at 2:26 AM

    In my book, the fact Regina actually endangered her life to stop the freaking green thing Rumple had going on and saved Snow White's life, of all people, just because Henry asked her to is reason enough. And then what did the kid do? He ran to Emma and called her mom. Yeah, pretty freaking great.
    Most people will say Regina had it coming, she is the evil queen, she enacted the curse, blah blah, but, hell, the entire episode was about showing how she was suffering through pretty much her entire life, even when on the very high of evil queen-mode.
    So, I'm sorry, but I hate the kid. Probably for selfish, egoistic reasons, but I do. Have to hand it to Jared, though, he is doing a much better job this season, no question about it.

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  14. Lissie_BeeDecember 3, 2012 at 2:26 AM

    Not as big of a cliffhanger as I would have expected, but a solid episode all around. I'm glad the separate worlds plot was resolved, though I expect we'll see more of Aurora and Mulan on their new journey. And man did I feel bad for Regina tonight. I know that she was all for killing them at first, so she could avoid Cora's potential return AND keep Henry for herself, but she did the right thing in the end... I did feel a bit bad that Henry just abandoned her, but he's been missing Emma for a long time now, so I get it.

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  15. Leonie1988December 3, 2012 at 2:37 AM

    "hardest life of them all." is not really true :) if we would make a list, Emma or Snow wouldn't come out on top either.

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  16. ALLADecember 3, 2012 at 2:39 AM

    Regina fans are so scary.
    She has helped now, but before that, she tried to kill almost every Charming Family member.

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  17. DianeDecember 3, 2012 at 2:40 AM

    Can there be more choices in the poll? Like 'OMG! This show just crushed my heart to dust!' 'Cause this episode was way more then just 'Awesome'

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  18. Chase HunterDecember 3, 2012 at 2:42 AM

    Yeah, that might have been a bit to dramatic lol but even though it is a television show and none of us should get so tore up about it, the sorrow I feel for her character is beyond words.

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  19. tjmack1986December 3, 2012 at 2:44 AM

    Okay, probably an unpopular opinion, but I honestly don't feel that bad for Regina. I mean, yeah she's trying, but nothing that she has done takes away the fact that she has hurt loads of people. So, I don't feel bad for her. Because of her, Emma was forced to grow up alone, thinking that her family abandoned her. How is that fair? You don't see Emma going around and hurting people to enact revenge. Regina is getting what she deserves as far as I can tell. Now, once she truly proves (and I mean proves it still when Snow & Emma are there) that she wants to change, and wants to be good, then I'll believe it. It's easy to say when the two people you despise the most aren't involved.

    As far as Henry's concerned. First of all, he's been near Regina all season, so no, I don't blame him for running to Emma, who he has been separated from since the first episode. Second of all, Regina practically treated Henry like a pawn in a totally screwed up chess game before the curse was broken. She made him feel like he was stupid and crazy for believing in the curse, but despite all of that, he still told her that he believed she had changed. How can you hate on that?

    Lastly, I don't blame any of them for not inviting Regina to dinner. Snow & Emma don't have any reason at all to believe that Regina is any different. Not to mention that it's their reunion, they have been separated since the first episode. So of course they don't want Regina with them. Why would they? As far as Emma can see, Regina is to blame for every single ounce of pain she has gone through her entire life because she despised Snow! That just shows how petty Regina truly is, that she would blame a young child for her unhappiness, when we all know that Cora would have found out about Daniel another way. She would have killed him with or without Snow telling her about him, and then who would have Regina blamed?

    -----END RANT-----

    Now, the episode was amazing. Best part was when Cora tried to take Snow's heart and Emma saved her! Loved that scene to pieces!

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  20. Elena WonderlandDecember 3, 2012 at 2:45 AM

    hehe :P thanks!

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  21. Chase HunterDecember 3, 2012 at 2:47 AM

    I know it would have been nice for them to have invited her but the dinner would be awkward to say the least because of the past relationships with everyone, so I don't know maybe it was good that she didn't go but it would have been nice for Henry to invite her or say I will meet you tomorrow for breakfast or something.

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  22. Elena WonderlandDecember 3, 2012 at 2:48 AM

    Indeed she did.Then she finally,trully seeks a second chance to make things right.Everyone throws the bitch faces and shut her out.So let them who have always been good and rightous cast the first stone

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  23. Chase HunterDecember 3, 2012 at 2:49 AM

    Are the fans scarier than the Queen herself? But the fans are called Evil Regals for a reason.

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  24. lsbloomDecember 3, 2012 at 2:57 AM

    Regina is alive right now because of the Charmings. They didn't let an angry mob kill her and they intervened when Rumple sent the wraith after her. Which ended up "killing" Philip and sending Emma and Snow to Storybrooke and all the misadventures that went with it. There's the "compassion." She tries to kill them, they forgive her and move on. She tries to curse Snow, they forgive her and move on. She kills Snow's dad and takes over the kingdom, they fight to get it back, and let her live. (That's the nicest coup d'etat in history people). She sets Snow up for murder and kidnaps Katherine, they forgive her and move on. She curses an entire town, they move on.

    But now you think they should be besties? Why? Has Regina ever even apologized? No, no she hasn't. (And before you start throwing stones at Snow, yes, Snow has more than once to the reply "not accepted" please die now). You have to show regret and atone for your sins before you get forgiven. And that still doesn't make you a friend. The fact that she's alive and they sacrificed themselves and the town to help her is vastly more compassion and forgiveness than she deserves.

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  25. lsbloomDecember 3, 2012 at 2:58 AM

    We're not on a "second" chance, here. We are sooooo past second chances it isn't even funny.

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  26. CourtsDecember 3, 2012 at 3:02 AM

    I think I liked this episode best out of all of them.

    Gold's little line about 'control' directed at Regina in 2x07 seems to still hold, since he played her like a fiddle, just hit every single one of her weak spots to get her to do what he wanted.

    Henry was really harsh. It's really sad that Regina always gets saddled with people in her life that only love her conditionally like her parents and Snow and Henry.

    And DAMN. Can we get something new for a Snow/Charming scene? At this point the writers are just throwing darts at a board to see what phrase they'll use.

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  27. ShatteredOneDecember 3, 2012 at 3:19 AM

    Pretty good episode, exciting in the middle and end, and as always, predictable. But some things were lackluster. One punch to take out Hook? Please. Cora didn't seem that powerful. And I get that we're supposed to feel bad for Regina, but could you please do it less obviously with everyone just leaving her there. Who the hell wouldn't invite her along? Stupid. Still good episode though.

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  28. Caz74December 3, 2012 at 3:19 AM

    Good episode. Now that Charming is awake and the baddies are in town will we see him being the hero he is meant to be and stepping up and actually doing some fighting!

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  29. nellymendezcolonDecember 3, 2012 at 3:23 AM

    I call it a comfort episode bad and evil fight and everyone in a way win & gain something back

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  30. Brandy DanforthDecember 3, 2012 at 3:28 AM

    It's going to take time for Henry and Regina to have a real and good relationship,but shes made a lot of progress since 2.2.Reginas going to have to learn to share Henry with Emma without jelousy.

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  31. lsbloomDecember 3, 2012 at 3:56 AM

    She had it coming. She lied to Henry--he trusted her and she lied AGAIN. She helped Gold create the green swirly thing in the first place. You don't get points for saving the day when the day needed saving because you put the day in danger.

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  32. ecrc RabitDecember 3, 2012 at 4:08 AM

    If not for Henry she would have been fine killing Snow and Emma. She has a lot to do before they accept a true redemption from her.

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  33. Zsazsa RDecember 3, 2012 at 4:12 AM

    I gave it an awesome score because it was great emotional impact but the ep left me very frustrated. Every single person with the exception of Daniel wanted Regina to change to conform to their ideas of what she should do (and what should benefit them). When she did good, she was shut down. When she did evil, she was shut down (understandable). She tries to do the right thing --- and actually DOES come through to do the right thing and she is shut down. Henry was basically "Have faiith in me so I can have faith in you".... so that he can have bio mom. And that was all that mattered. I understand Regina did a lot of shit but every.single.time. she is told that she is NOT good enough and every single time she is brushed aside because SHE doesn't count. In the long run, Regina always loses because how is she supposed to pick the right way when nothing she does is good enough? So hell yes, no other character gets as much sympathy from me as Regina Mills.

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  34. Danielle ThomasDecember 3, 2012 at 4:22 AM

    I have to say I really thought they were going to leave with a cliff hanger the mid season finale but they did not. It was a good episode. I still want to know what Rumpelstiltskin is hiding, I know he is hiding something big but I just can not figure out what yet. I know that ending with Regina is going to set her off and the evil Regina will be back and in full force. I will say though now since we see that Hook and Cora have gotten to Storybrook that I can honestly see Regina teaming with her mother to try to get Henry back. I am excited for January to get here so I can see how the rest of the season plays out.

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  35. MalDecember 3, 2012 at 4:39 AM

    oh and when Emma lied to Henry about his father that's alright then? Regina lied to Henry but she had good intentions, just like Emma did when she lied to Henry too. And she did correct herself and lifted the spell from the well, endangering her own life. She didn't actually help Gold creating it, if you notice Rumple did it all by himself, just with a use of wand so she wasn't the one 'putting the day in danger'. The spell was actually with the best intentions, we saw what Cora is like, she will have no mercy on anyone in SB.

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  36. Kathleen KervinDecember 3, 2012 at 4:46 AM

    She stopped the killing spell, but she was also the one who helped Rumple set it up in the first place.


    As Rumple pointed out, it was a win-win situation for her. If Cora came through, she would die. If Emma and Snow came through, they would die. Regina was okay with killing Henry's mother and grandmother and lying to him about her role in it until Henry and Ruby figured it out and Henry begged her to stop.


    So while it was good that she stopped the killing spell, if she hadn't set it up in the first place, she wouldn't have needed to stop it.

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  37. CourtsDecember 3, 2012 at 6:01 AM

    It's actually interesting how every time Regina does the right thing, she ends up punished emotionally, starting with Snow's introduction into her life.

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  38. Casey YoungDecember 3, 2012 at 6:58 AM

    LOL! I wish I could give 10,000 likes too! I felt really bad for Regina! :(

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  39. phnxgrlDecember 3, 2012 at 7:12 AM

    I think It took much guts to remove the barrier that they placed over the portal. I was happy to see Regina's growth but still it is hard not to think of all the things she did do as EQ. So being snubbed is not a good results but it is going to be a bit more complex before other will forgive her.

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  40. Sandra HeroDecember 3, 2012 at 8:13 AM

    I wish Emma would turn her brain on. Regina was stellar in this episode and she deserved to be included in the return celebration. Now that Cora (with her shapeshifting abilities) has ankered in Storybrooke the game is on.

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  41. Pauline NICOLASDecember 3, 2012 at 9:05 AM

    lol Phillip who??

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  42. LourdesDecember 3, 2012 at 9:11 AM

    Let me see if I understand some of the reasonings exposed here.

    Snow: she made a mistake being a kid, Regina killed her father, took the kingdom, tried to kill her numerous times, made her to lose her husband and daugther for 28 years, framed her with a murder.... but she needs to be pusnished because Regina is trying!!!!

    Emma: she grew up thinking her parents abandoned her and didn’t want her in their lifes, she took Henry back to Storybrooke to Regina who tried to kill her like ten minutes after she arrived to town, Regina killed Graham and has tried to kill her like a hundred times in months... but she is the awful one and needs to be punished because Regina is trying!!!! (And yes, I know she lied to Henry about his father and I’m waiting for the moment that bites her ass)

    Henry: he’s been psychologically abused all his life making him believe he was crazy. Regina has lied and deceived him more times than we can count: When he thinks she is changing, she lies him again and tries to kill his mother and grandma. But he is the brat and the bad kid for being happy to see his mom and grandma again. Because Regina is trying!!!!

    Very logical!!!!

    Do or do not. There is no try said Master Yoda. That can be said about Regina. Sorry, but as I seen it, you can try all you want, but trying doesn’t mean anything if you keep deceiving people you love. Yes, it was Rumple's idea, but WAS GOING TO DO IT, no second thoughts. Yes, she stops when Henry begs her, but the fact is SHE WAS GOING TO DO IT after promising him she was not. And we can blame, Cora, Rumple, Snow and whoever we want for Regina’s evilness, but she was the one who made the decision to take the first heart, she was the one who kept taking hearts and killing people, she was the one who decided to curse
    a whole kingdom and she is the one who in last night episode chose to listen to Rumple.

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  43. Maret HosemannDecember 3, 2012 at 9:11 AM

    100% agree. I will never understand the people who thinks Regina deserves full absolution and should be loved by her victims.

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  44. Maret HosemannDecember 3, 2012 at 9:30 AM

    The poor Regina will bulldoze the people of Storybrooke for not loving her.

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  45. Pauline NICOLASDecember 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM

    That was amazing! Almost everything was perfect!

    I think Henry was really great in this episode until the "see you later whatever" thing.... I mean I get why Regina wasn't invited but he could have "ditched her" more gently... I know I'm totally NOT objective because Regina is like my favorite character of all time but damn her look at the end broke my heart :'( Lana Parilla really is the best! She's amazing in all her scenes (even with stupid things on her head :p)

    Aurora and Mulan just need to make out because they're so cute :p Even if they were sometimes used poorly I hope we'll see them again :)

    Emma was awesome in this ep and I love that she have badass magic :D I can't wait for more of that! The Emma/Henry reunion was sweet even if the look on Regina's face when Henry said "mom" worriedly to Emma was heartbreaking (It looks like she thought it was for her but then she realised it wasn't :( )

    As for Cora she's the best villain! I think she kind of love Regina but she's so evil, crazy and totally twisted that nothing good will come out of that...

    Hook was great but am I the only one that thinks the scene with Emma was awfull?? Their swords/hook sliding suggestively and the "on top" comment... I meant come on writers!! You can do better than THAT if you want to push the Emma/Hook thing...

    Arrgh I already can't wait for the next episode! Screw christmas and new year's eve! I want to go to sleep and wake up in January :p (ok maybe not because I love my family, my friens and presents but still...)

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  46. chairluva4evaDecember 3, 2012 at 10:43 AM

    Awesome!! Loved the Charming reunion scene at the end!!

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  47. inhighheelsDecember 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    You are right, she lied to Henry. But my point is quite simple: it was a win-win situation for her and yet she chose to stop it. I'm not even saying everybody should be immediately forgiving her,Snow should give her a kiss and call her "darling", I just think HENRY should act differently. For me, it simply doesn't make sense, because no matter what anyone tells me, she is his mother. You don't dismiss the person who raised you for 10 years, no matter how fucked up the situation is.

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  48. inhighheelsDecember 3, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    I'm in fact intrigued about that, because I didn't see one single thing Regina did to help Gold create the green spell. It doesn't change the fact she lied to Henry, but as I said, I don't even think she should get points for saving the day in everybody's book, just in Henry's. For me, again, it just doesn't make sense how the kid can ignore the fact she raised him.

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  49. AhnjaylaDecember 3, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    I made a comment in another post and got scolded the other day..see my post below....I hope that my scolder will now understand what I meant....I felt very bad for Regina....not even invited to dinner.....there was the proof of my thoughts last night!

    ".Henry has a mother and a grandmother..................Regina will
    never have Henry as her son....that is the bottom line. He may love her but his
    mother is Emma and grandma is Snow. Regina knows this in her heart....we may
    need to see a flashback of when Regina got Henry...I also believe that Henry's
    father is Bale...Rumps son. I think Pinocchio showed him his true self in the
    suitcase...".

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  50. inhighheelsDecember 3, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    Yep, that's exactly it. OUaT seems to go by the "good always wins" logic, but they have an "except for Regina" rule or something.


    What's even worst, in my opinion, is that she was played by Rumple every single step of the episode. And now that Cora is back, she will also try to play Regina, make her do exactly as "she's supposed to". She'll be stuck between to manipulative control-freaks. Honestly, I don't see her situation getting better any time soon, which saddens me to no end...

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  51. Leonie1988December 3, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    Yeah I agree. Though redemtion can never happen with one good deed. I felt so bad for her, I hope Snow remembers Regina when she was still nice. She was such a lovely woman when she saved Snow from that horse.

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  52. Nastya VinokurovaDecember 3, 2012 at 11:56 AM

    But because of Regina Emma has a son. Why everyone always forget about that? Especially Henry himself.
    And it abusive parent syndrome at some points - Regina love her mother and cannot really hate her. That is why she blame Snow. She is easier target. In years it staying some haunting for her. And we still don't know whole story. Maybe Snow did something more to her (in 2 episode Regina want to kill her, but it's really frightened her). Of cause fail with Frankenstein and learning "Dark arts" was making her Evil, but,,, there must be something else.

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  53. DarthLocke4December 3, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    I think to some degree ever course correcter can only course correct so far. So i do think Rumple has limits, just as anyone else has, especially since he has stated that Magic in the Land Without It is unpredictable...It may suggest his seering days are numbered, especially when we consider he was wrong about who came through 'this' portal...


    On another note I think the Regina rule is important to her arc this season. I felt bad for her, but I also know she's going to have to be stronger than this to make up for all the pain she initially caused. I am glad the writers didn't just hand her a free pass too soon...


    But, if anyone showed bad form, it was Emma.

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  54. DarthLocke4December 3, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    This is how you build a "drama" by having many characters do a lot of things right, and a lot of things wrong all at the same time., because ultimately that is the shows "debate". Can these people be saved, forgiven, change for the better, so that they can all have some kind of happy ending?! -If you play it out too soon, you loose conflict and realistic elements, Regina is obviously very important, but so is everyone else.


    Henry and MM are like two peas in a pod. The both act super optimistic, are over dramatic (think of child snow), and have a way unintentionally hurting others. -But the difference is intentional verses not intentional. Emma and Regina are BOTH his mother and BOTH have to prove themselves in different ways to Henry...Henry is there to make them both better people, as almost everyone has fallen pray to Rumple/The Dark One...and then there is the Blue Fairy the show hasn't even begun to really touch on...

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  55. CourtsDecember 3, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    You realize that Regina has never tried to kill Emma, right? Because she thought the curse would break if Emma died. It's right there in the show.

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  56. McSwarekDecember 3, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    "But because of Regina Emma has a son."
    How so?

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  57. DarthLocke4December 3, 2012 at 12:35 PM

    Yoda was wrong. Luke caring about his friends/family saved them, and he returned the Jedi Order back to the state it was before the time of Yoda by practicing compassion through friends and family, rather than rigid solidarity. So I would say that "trying" is where we all must begin, since no one is a perfect being, as toddlers must fall down when learning to walk.


    IMO the episode points out in some ways either irrational reason or the idea that change, love, and/or trust takes time to earn. We don't understand why Cora chose not kill Regina when she had the chance, we don't understand to what end Cora wanted to wait to face her daughter...It's unclear if she was touched by love, or if Cora has a fettish for killing people when they're unstable and vulnerable?

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  58. inhighheelsDecember 3, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    Star Wars analogy for the win.

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  59. Helsing61December 3, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    I felt sorry for Regina too!
    It was a good episode. Almost like a season finale!
    I hope Aurora and Mulan can get Philipp's soul back.

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  60. McOnceUponATimeDecember 3, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    Another great episode also knew Emma had magic love this show!!!.

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  61. laura3341December 3, 2012 at 1:49 PM

    I'm not here to scold you but i have to disagree.Emma might be his biological mother but Regina is the one who has loved him unconditionally,through good and bad times,Regina is the one who instilled in him what is right and wrong,how to care for others,to be kind,to treat others the way you would want to be treated.Regina is the one who care for him when he was sick,calmed him when he had nightmares.Emma gave birth to him,period,that's the bottom line.

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  62. lsbloomDecember 3, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    Now that's just silly. "Hey your dad was a good guy but really he was a thief and abandoned me pregnant to jail for something he did" and "I'm changing I'm not going to keep trying to kill your mom and grandma instead I'm going to help save Snow and Emma but not really I'm going to kill them" are completely and totally different kind of lies. Should she have told Henry the truth about his dad? Maybe, but he was a fragile kid with massively overblown ideals about heroism who she thought was already living in a fantasy world it would be dangerous to destroy, so the truth may have had a really awful impact on him, then again at some point in our lives we grow up enough that we deserve the truth. Is 11 that age? Not really sure about that.


    I agree we don't see how Regina helped Rumple, but obviously she did something or Rumple wouldn't have needed her in the first place, he would have just done it himself. So the fact that he had to convince her and she was there, she was part of it. She certainly wasn't working against him, she went along with the plan--stole ALL the magic out of Storybrooke (that's gonna be great for team protagonists in the future I'm sure) and tried to kill Snow and Emma right up until the last moments of Henry begging her to stop. Snow and Emma who were gone because they saved her from the wraith and Snow and Emma who were in trouble from Cora because Regina started a blood feud with Cora after she'd banished her and not for any reason like justice or peace, nope because she "loved" her and thought that was gonna be a weakness--that's a goodhearted soul right there because nice people always kill the things they love.

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  63. laura3341December 3, 2012 at 2:13 PM

    You, Master Jedi! ;)

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  64. lsbloomDecember 3, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    I don't think he felt like she was a good mother to him. He's not exactly "grateful." She systematically made him believe he was crazy, destroyed things that he loved outside of her, and generally was mean enough to him that he easily believed she was a vicious evil Queen and needed an extensive fantasy world to deal with living under her control, plus he didn't believe she ever loved him. The fact that he is willing to believe she's trying to change is either incredibly generous of him or wildly naively stupid.

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  65. DarthLocke4December 3, 2012 at 2:21 PM

    I disagree with you a bit. I think Henry is something 'inherently' good and those values weren't necessarily learned, but born, other wise he wouldn't have gone to seek Emma and reject Regina to begin with. He is much like Snow and one may argue his genes are mostly hers. (He does really crazy things with out thinking sometimes!) I don't think we know how Henry received or found the book or how long he consciency believed that Emma was the savior?

    Everyone forgets that August came and ruined Emma's life by having Neal go away and that Emma wouldn't have grown up in this world like this, or Regina in act the curse hadn't it all been for Rumple. -Mr. Gold is also the one who "procured" Henry for Regina...which we don't understand what the specifics are on that...If Regina knew that Henry was Snow's and Charming's grandson (which seems unlikely), or "how" was gold able to "procure" Henry if he couldn't leave Storybrooke and/or if Storybrooke was in a state of stasis???



    Additionally we have consider how "twisted" it actually is that Regina named Henry after her father, considering she murdered him for the curse. I am not saying this isn't a second chance for her, but Regina lets go off and holds onto the wrongs things all the time. -We also don't know why Henry Sr. went along with Regina and why presumably his wife shrunk him and put him in a box, rather than kill him? -Cora and Henry's relationship with their daughter's seems vital to understanding Regina...


    Lastly I think it's not fair to blame Emma for giving up Henry at such a young age, at a point where things seem to shatter for her (and not really her fault). She didn't have to bring Henry back, she didn't have to stay, but she realized that maybe she is at a point where she might be able to be a caring person and love someone a way maybe she thought she lost, and so this is an opportunity for Emma to learn what is to be a good mother and to actually have a family, and it's opportunity that Regina should help her with, since it is Regina via Gold's and Cora's fault that Regina ruined all of their lives and took opportunities away.

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  66. lsbloomDecember 3, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    I thought the "do or do not there is no try" wasn't about black or white morality, but about commitment. Sticking with your beliefs, having faith in yourself that you can accomplish goals and not working at things with the belief that you are going to fail so why put the effort in. Luke didn't think he could master the force, he was only working halfway at the problem and Yoda said commit, put all of it in, no points for halfhearted effort. (But I really only watched for the ewoks, so that scene is one of the few that I remember because it is pretty famous on its own).

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  67. DarthLocke4December 3, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    So I had these horrific thoughts thinking about the hearts....
    Can we switch Hearts with different bodies and does that "change" the person?
    I initially thought of POTC Dead Man's Chest when Cora said she hid her heart, but what if it's in someone else's body?? And what if this some how relates to Cora not being able to take Emma's????

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  68. lsbloomDecember 3, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    Good may always win, but they never have an easy road. Regina might have had a happy ending out there if she hadn't turned to dark magic and power and killing people. People hate the Katherine argument, but she thought her one true love was gone and she didn't give up and go evil, in fact she tried to help Charming and find him the happiness she thought she never would, and she eventually got a happy ending out of it--because she stayed "good" when tested. Regina didn't, ie, no happy ending.

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  69. DarthLocke4December 3, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    Yes, but if you look at the all six films, you see this is the exact reason Anakin falls pray to the dark side, because they (yoda originally TPM, and Mace Windu later ROTS) didn't trust him and didn't believe one should have deep relationships, as they felt is was a distraction and would cause one to fall pray to the dark side. (Luke disproves Yoda agian by bringing Mara Jade back).


    The Sith are committed too, so I think it's not really about commitment, as it is about commitment to "what" that makes a difference. It's about methodology.

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  70. laura3341December 3, 2012 at 2:38 PM

    I don't blame Emma,i was just stating that ,she wasn't in his life through the most important part of child development.Nor did i bring up whether Regina was a 'good' and loving mother,tho i do believe she does does love him.Sure genes play an important part,and Henry is more like his mother than Regina,that goes without saying! I bascially agree with everything your saying,but when it comes down to it,Regina is the one that raised him,she was the one who was their.Right,wrong,good,bad,is a whole other story..


    I seem to recall in an episode last season Snow telling either Emma or Regina she was the one who gave Henry the book...

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  71. CourtsDecember 3, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    Well people are always blaming Regina for Emma living her life alone blah blah thus Henry even existing must be her fault because of that.

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  72. lsbloomDecember 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    Although, I'm sure you make very valid points about the entire series. I do think you are blowing the quote out past it's immediate context. :) And that in the end Yoda was certainly wrong about many things, it doesn't negate everything he said.


    I thought Anakin fell to the dark not only because he loved, but because he couldn't forgive or accept, he wanted power to control his fear which then turned to hate when he couldn't control everything. Wasn't fear, hate, anger, suffering or something like that? I always felt like the jedi being alone thing was both a classic solider trope--no leverage, no divided loyalties, no divided attention on who needs help personal vs greater good--but also kinda a monk-like trope. That people with sort of "unearthly" power or connection ought not be influenced by the ties and pulls of worldly lives. They needed to be pure of heart and clear of mind and totally focused. Love and family distract from that and call your loyalties into question. But I guess loving something and wanting to protect it make you fearful, but still that is only if you believe that you should be omnipotent and isn't it always the search for power that destroys us?

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  73. inhighheelsDecember 3, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    I have no problems with that argument because, IMO, it doesn't prove anything. Abgail, unlike Regina, had hope her true love could be saved. This was never a possibility regarding Daniel. She tried to help Charming, yes, and that was very noble of her, but she knew Frederick could be saved.

    Besides, have you ever thought about the fact Regina is the ONLY person in the entire show whose true love died? Apart, maybe, from Red, but we can't be sure about that.

    I don't want everybody to immediately forgive Regina, because that would be unrealistic, but I also think she is way stronger than people give her credit for. And I often wonder what would happen to Snow if Charming died, cause I have a feeling she wouldn't be sitting quietly in her house and singing with the birds. Again, this doesn't excuse what Regina did and I'm honestly not trying to paint her as the hero, but, god, give her some room to breathe.

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  74. inhighheelsDecember 3, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    First, we have zero proof of that. Not even Henry suggested she was mean to him, ever. Did she lie to him about the curse, which lead him to believe he was crazy? Yes, she did, and that's something she should be held accountable for, but nothing more.

    Second, if we follow that logic, how on earth could he be so easily inclined to throw himself in Emma's arms? HE went looking for her, she never had any intention of getting back to her son. And if all it takes is for her to say "I just wanted to give you your best shot", well, then he should forgive Regina, because that's precisely what she was doing trying to keep Cora out of Storybrooke, give HIM his best shot in staying alive.



    I don't think we'll get anywhere with this, but all I ask is for people to sometimes recognize Regina did the right thing and still received no credit for it, whatsoever. The only person who, in spite of mocking her, seemed to understand her situation, was Gold. How screwed up is that?!

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  75. Nastya VinokurovaDecember 3, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    Really? Without curse Emma would stay in FTL, never meet Neal and never get pregnant with Henry, Of cause, she maybe would end up with some prince or someone like this, but their child never be Henry or even a boy.
    And I think if someone give Emma an option to change her past to a happy childhood in FTL with Snow and Charming she will refuse it in one blink. Because of her son. And maybe a little because of indoor plumping and TV. And burgers)

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  76. McSwarekDecember 3, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    That is no acceptable argument. In no way is Regina the reason Henry exists.

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  77. DarthLocke4December 3, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    Anakin only wants control, because others lost faith in him and drove him to not have faith in himself, fearing being alone drove him to hate, making him pray to Sidious' deceptions of reality. I'm not saying he doesn't bare his own responsibility, and I agree that Yoda's words on Dagobah "in the moment" are referring commitment and self control, but Obi-Wan is there telling Yoda the whole time to have faith in Luke, because again Yoda can't live up to his own expectations and makes him a little hypocritical It show's a contradiction that thematically applies to the series/franchise, because the history of the Jedi and how to be the best one possible is a long and extensive one....including the new origin story, "Force Storm" (yes I am that much of a geek) Where Jedi and Sith derive from the same group of people. Star Wars in terms of Jedi and Sith are about what one uses "the power" for, destruction and death or protecting people and saving lives and for Jedi, how to best keep oneself from falling from Grace as it where. It's an ongoing exploration in Expanded Universe.

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  78. xelaMsrMDecember 3, 2012 at 4:04 PM

    I think Daniel was not the only 'true love' to die...I know Milah was Rumpel's wife. But Milah was Hook 'true love'...maybe I'm wrong... but

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  79. Nastya VinokurovaDecember 3, 2012 at 4:10 PM

    Well... Without Regina and curse how do you think Henry would be exist? Emma would just pop up in our world, sleep with Neal and return to her happily ever after?

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  80. laura3341December 3, 2012 at 4:19 PM

    Wow! Ha,leave it up to you to think of that!!!!! ;) I wondered why Cora couldn't get her heart out.I was waiting for Snow to know,but the way they brushed it aside i figured the writers were leaving that for later in the season or next year....but curious they didn't make more of it,i thought it would be the mid season cliff hanger..


    I thought the episode was good but it didn't wow me...

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  81. lsbloomDecember 3, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    I bow to your vastly superior knowledge of the Star Wars universe :). To me, Anakin (in the movies) wanted control to be able to save his mom and save Padme. He wanted to make his own choices. He wanted to have power over life and death and that is the ultimate hubris and the type of power than "humans" can't control without dire consequences. And when he couldn't harness that sort of power he turned to anger and revenge (and killing). But I do think that applies to OUaT as well (plus half a dozen stories and myths about power and corruption and wanting to be gods, because Star Wars is the classic example because they are reusing some pretty old and established myths), Regina and Rumple both wanted power. Rumple wanted power to stand up to his enemies and protect his son (no more fear), the magnitude of that power was too much for a mortal and it quickly overwhelmed him. The dark is always more powerful than the light. Regina didn't go to the blue fairy for help, she wanted more power than that and she wasn't willing to forgive or understand or find another path, she wanted power/control/no more fear, power over life and death and she got it and it lead to suffering for everyone around her. Fear-anger-hate-suffering. I mean in some way the faith in good winning is the absence of that fear mixed with a sort of Job-like faith in God. No matter what don't forsake it and eventually it will work out. We have to believe in magic (or higher power of good) to get the happy ending like Jefferson said.

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  82. NadejdaDecember 3, 2012 at 4:35 PM

    You right - "as you sow, so shall you reap".

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  83. inhighheelsDecember 3, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    Yeah, well, if Milah was Hook's true love, that sorta proves my point. It doesn't seem to be a coincidence that the villains are exactly the ones whose true loves were killed...

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  84. RavenDecember 3, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    Anyone else who is wondering what happened with Cora's heart or where it is?

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  85. lsbloomDecember 3, 2012 at 5:04 PM

    We do have proof of that. 1) Henry says to her, she made him believe he was crazy and he was in therapy for a while because of it. 2) She tore down his castle because he played there with Emma and it was his special place away from her. 3) He identified her as the evil queen, so he believed it was possible based on her behavior. He wasn't randomly picking people out and assigning characters that had nothing to do with who they were. He made super reasoned arguments for Dr. Hopper and Charming, etc. He also made numerous comments (as did Dr. Hopper) regarding being wary of Regina and that she wasn't very nice. He didn't make it up and run away to Boston to find a woman he didn't know because she's been such a caring. loving mom.


    Secondly, if all Regina was doing was keeping Cora from Storybrooke, you might have a valid point. but she wasn't. In doing so she was killing Emma and Snow and keeping Charming asleep forever. So the argument isn't "I was trying to give you our best shot at having a happy stable life" it is "I'm trying to protect you by killing your whole family on the off chance that I'm right and you're wrong."


    Thirdly, I think Gold was mocking her at the end. But of course the two villains who have lost their families because they couldn't give up magic and stop hurting people would bond. They are very similar in character and (when talking about Henry) motivation.


    Finally, my only point is that she did the "right" thing after doing the "wrong" thing first. And Henry giving her a hug and saying that he was "wrong" she'd changed was pretty generous of him.

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  86. BrendaDecember 3, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    Such a great episode. I'm really glad that Emma and Snow made it back, and I'm also pleasantly excited about the arrival of Cora and Hook. Lana Parilla gave such a heartbreaking performance, and she was the standout for me last night.

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  87. Ralissa VassilissaDecember 3, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    Brief interruption of my ugly sobbing to say: I've so had it with this kid! :@ Way to go, Henry, stomp on your mother's heart after she was nearly killed trying to please you... I'd never expect such cruelty from an 11-year-old.

    Also: WTF, Emma??? So blame Regina even when it's borderline illogical, but Gold's motives you choose to understand and find justified?!?? I repeat, WTF???
    That moment in the dungeon when Emma figured out that Rumple had put a plan in place even before she was born, I almost thought she'd have an epiphany and realise he manipulated more than one life (Snow's, Charming's, Regina's etc). But no, Emma is clearly not one for epiphanies. She's content to keep blaming Regina and take Gold at his word. Good thing she's got her looks, family reputation and magic, so she doesn't need to rely on her brains.



    And I have to say my tolerance to Rumple/Gold has hit an all-time low.

    Now excuse me while I go back to crying my eyes out...

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  88. LisaDecember 3, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    Sure, I was a smidgen sad for Regina but not that sad. She killed people. She keeps hearts in her cemetery dungeon. She has a hell of a lot more to prove.

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  89. DarthLocke4December 3, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    I agree those are the things Anakin feared, but he feared them, because (having a super amount of midi-clorians) he could sense the distrust of the people who were so suppose to act as a supportive family, the other Jedi, who simultaneously lost perspective from being protectors of the peace to becoming super soldiers in war. (Again the master works of Sidous)

    "Fear-anger-hate-suffering. I mean in some way the faith in good winning is the absence of that fear, and acceptance with what comes Snow is pretty Zen, mixed with a sort of Job-like faith in God. No matter what don't forsake it and eventually it will work out. We have to believe in magic (or higher power of good) to get the happy ending like Jefferson said."

    I totally agree. I think a difference is that Once may have different kinds of magic (different forces), but I agree a perspective of generalized Utopia is vital to success and survival in the Once universes (as I think it is in Revolution as well).

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  90. DarthLocke4December 3, 2012 at 6:02 PM

    Well in Fringe we see people switch conscience and various kinds of Memory sharing/transference occurs, but Once seems like it shares a lot of Fringe ideas, but comes at it from a fantasy perspective, rather than a science fiction perspective (but lets not forget "Brown Betty"), so I sort of wondered if we would see something equivalent to it, since they made two really big deals about Hearts in this episode, the absence of one, and one that can't be removed...

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  91. Tufan TimDecember 3, 2012 at 6:17 PM

    What I don't understand is why the reactions are always so extreme. Why do you assume people want her to get "full absolution" because they felt sorry for her last night?

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  92. inhighheelsDecember 3, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    1 is what I said Regina should be held accountable for. 2 is arguable, IMO, because the storm crashed the place, Regina destroyed it afterwards and built a "new castle", but ok, let's say that's true. As for 3, I think Henry identified it based on her behavior as mayor, ruling everything, being harsh and cold with everybody. Still, that doesn't prove she was like that with him. Archie himself said to Emma Regina would hurt anyone, but not Henry, never Henry.

    Gold was mocking her, for sure, but he wasn't mocking her because she failed, yet again, but because she tried to do the right thing and, guess what, she still lost. To him, his plan was a total win-win and she should have just gone through with it. She would have gotten everything she ever wanted. Charming would be asleep forever, MM would be dead and/or trapped in FTL, so would Emma, Cora would never come to town, and Regina would be the only one left to take care of Henry.

    I get that she did the wrong thing first, but the fact is she is always seen as the bad guy, no matter what. The fact she chose to undo whatever it is she did wrong in the first place seems to be irrelevant. That wheel wasn't only "one thing she did wrong", it was THE possibility to end all of her problems, but she did the right thing anyway. I mean, even in the criminal system, a person can't be charged for ANYTHING if they regretted their decision and never went through with the crime [jesus, I have to stop this, I'm way to invested on this thing, sorry].

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  93. ecrc RabitDecember 3, 2012 at 8:44 PM

    Agree!!!!

    And I have not seen Regina thank Emma, Charming and Snow when they prevented the wraith suck hers soul

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  94. ecrc RabitDecember 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    yeah and we have not seen Regina thank Emma, Charming and Snow when they prevented the wraith suck hers soul

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  95. ecrc RabitDecember 3, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    I have not seen Regina thank Emma, Charming and Snow when they prevented the wraith suck hers soul

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  96. Nastya VinokurovaDecember 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

    "Henry: he’s been psychologically abused all his life making him believe he was crazy. Regina has lied and deceived him more times than we can count: When he thinks she is changing, she lies him again and tries to kill his mother and grandma. But he is the brat and the bad kid for being happy to see his mom and grandma again. Because Regina is trying!!!!"
    He wasn't mentally abused for all his life. The therapy with Archie starts when MM give him that book. And she doesn't want to kill Emma and Snow in the first place. She want to keep Henry safe. And Rumple keep saying about Cora on her way to Storybrooke. Regina very well know about her mother and her wicked ways. Do you think Emma did something else if she know that something Truly Evil will come from this portal to her son? I don't think so.

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  97. Ralissa VassilissaDecember 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM

    @twitter-156626467:disqus

    "Yes, she stops when Henry begs her, but the fact is SHE WAS GOING TO DO IT after promising him she was not."

    And Snow WAS GOING TO kill Regina if Charming hadn't stopped her. And Charming WAS GOING TO strangle Regina if she hadn't been able to use magic against him. And Rumple WAS GOING TO kill Regina if Belle hadn't asked him not to; despite his promise to Belle he marked her to become the wraith's pray. The point is, none of the major characters is any less innocent by your own logic. Do they have the right to judge her, when they would have done the same in a fit of anger or under similar circumstances? "Let him who is without sin, cast the first stone" (imho, the Book of Books trumps Star Wars).

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  98. Diana Keys SantosDecember 4, 2012 at 12:34 AM

    Totally done with Hook being any kind of romantic interest after smacking chicks around and then almost gutting the unconscious Belle with his hook.

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  99. Ralissa VassilissaDecember 4, 2012 at 1:01 AM

    @inhighheels:disqus : "[jesus, I have to stop this, I'm way to invested on this thing, sorry]."
    Hahaha, let me give you a big hug of support! :)

    For the record, I feel the same way. I agree that she's taken some major steps this season, and it's quite frustrating to see her still be treated like she's not worthy of love. Hopefully her efforts will pay out soon.
    I really wish Dr. Hopper were in that last scene instead of Gold. I didn't think I'd say this, but I miss Archie! :D

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  100. Mohd Taufik MohammadDecember 4, 2012 at 1:16 AM

    The. Best. Episode.

    I was ESPECIALLY taken aback when Cora couldn't rip Emma's heart out.

    But I was a bit saddened when the group didn't invite Regina to dinner. In one hand, I understand that Regina had done so much evil, so there must be a gap between them. In another hand, I really wish that the group had invited her because she's really changed. It's OK Regina, your time to be a loving mother side-by-side with Emma will come. Henry, you're lucky to have two powerful and magical mothers.

    But one thing that made me glad is Henry hugging and thanking Regina at the end, that would be sufficient for now to fill what's empty in Regina's heart.

    Frak! I couldn't get over how brilliant this episode is!

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  101. Mohd Taufik MohammadDecember 4, 2012 at 1:18 AM

    The argument that Regina is why Emma has a son doesn't make any sense at all. Sorry.

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  102. DarthLocke4December 4, 2012 at 2:42 AM

    Sorry. I took what you wrote as a justification of her influence being a good one for Henry, rather than perhaps she was at least physically a safe haven for him until Emma's 28th B-day.

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  103. João PauloDecember 4, 2012 at 4:44 AM

    This is series finale already, because I don't know where this story go next. Cora and Hook story is to much easy to solve. I'm hope the show get a new and powerful threat until the season ends. BTW awesome episode, the script was brilliant and the effects was great for a TV show.

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  104. Rama van der GardeDecember 4, 2012 at 8:19 AM

    With that well, she did one thing, but means that the others from FTL should easily forgive her and let her join dinner? She should know that herself. I was a bit conflicted because I was happy to see Regina finally doing some good, starting her redemption. But if we let her join the dinner, then basically, we would have no show.

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  105. Leonie1988December 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Yeah, she could have thanked them. Gold would not have sent the wraith after her, if she had not kept Belle from him... than Snow and Emma would never have been sucked away... though the reason they saved Regina from the wraith was that Henry wanted it and Emma didn't want to drop to her level.

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  106. Maret HosemannDecember 4, 2012 at 2:02 PM

    At least Emma thanked Regina after Henry told her about Reginas help. Regina never said something like "Thank you" or "Sorry" to the people who helped her or who suffered because of her. I think she never felt this way. Regina wallows in self-pity because she can't have Henry alone and because the curse is broken but we never seen her feeling or showing penitence so far. And I think feeling guilty is the basic of redemption. How can you change if you never regret who you was before?

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  107. Maret HosemannDecember 4, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    I'm totally with you.

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  108. Judy SmithDecember 4, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    You use one quote from Star wars and what started as a conversation about Once, turns into a conversation about Star Wars. Interesting.

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  109. Judy SmithDecember 4, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    The only reason they were going to kill Regina, was because she had done something horrible to them and continued to torture them in one way or another. Two wrongs don't make a right, but at some point you have to stop the bully some how and they were only fighting the only way they could, because Regina had all the power.

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  110. lsbloomDecember 4, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    MM gave him the book because he was a troubled child who needed something hopeful to cling onto. So he was an outcast and troubled before the book appeared.

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  111. Nastya VinokurovaDecember 4, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    I mean that she is one of many reasons. Regina's curse started circumstances that lead to Henry's birth.

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  112. Ralissa VassilissaDecember 4, 2012 at 5:02 PM

    Yes, of course they had reasons and there were various circumstances to justify their actions. Except lately when someone points out the circumstances and reasons behind Regina's actions, he/she is automatically labeled an "apologist".

    But I still don't see how the attempts to kill Regina that I mentioned compare in any way to her actions in the portal situation. I disagree that they were "trying to stop the bully". On the contrary, they all did what Regina's greatest mistake was, trying to get revenge: Snow - for Leopold's death; Charming - for Snow&Emma's disappearance or maybe death; Gold - for Belle's abduction.

    In contrast, the only reason Regina agreed to help Gold sabotage the portal opening was because she wanted to protect Henry at all costs, even at the risk that he'll hate her for the rest of his life. When he asked her to "have faith in him" she risked her life to lift the spell-trap, and in addition she was prepared to fight whoever/whatever came through if they tried to harm Henry.

    And don't even get me started on who is or isn't a "bully" on Once...

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  113. BonesForeverDecember 4, 2012 at 5:17 PM

    Glad to see them back. The stories with them separated again were not as engaging to me.

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  114. Tufan TimDecember 4, 2012 at 10:53 PM

    Oh please. I get that you can't stand her, but now it's getting ridiculous.

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  115. Nastya VinokurovaDecember 4, 2012 at 11:19 PM

    I have a thought, that someone gave this book to MM at first. Maybe Rumple give her this idea? But many children sometimes look lonely and troubled. It doesn't mean everyone of them is mentally abused

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  116. omabinDecember 5, 2012 at 12:41 AM

    I loved it, it was their best episode since the season premiere IMO! Everyone was amazing. My heart broke for Regina though. She really is my favorite character on the show though, I love her so much. Lana Parilla was born to play her! Jennifer Morisson also had one of her best episodes on the show yet imo, she was very good in the more emotional scenes with Snow and Gold. I am wondering what will become of Aurora and Mulan. Will we keep seeing them? I would still like an episode for their backstories, especially if they tie it with the main arc. Looking forward for the show's return, I have no idea what the main arc will be now, doubt they will stick "just" with Cora and Hook battle

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  117. Riley ArlinghausDecember 5, 2012 at 5:39 AM

    I totally agree with you. Waiting for January will be the end of me though!

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  118. Riley ArlinghausDecember 5, 2012 at 5:40 AM

    I think they should have invited her to dinner. No ifs ands ors or buts about it

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  119. Mohd Taufik MohammadDecember 5, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    It's like saying, because my parents gave birth to me, I am a successful educator in one local university now which is not making any sense... If you say that it's my parent's style of upbringing that leads me to be successful, then that would make sense...

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  120. Nastya VinokurovaDecember 6, 2012 at 9:18 AM

    It's was not question about who we become, it's was question about existing of Henry. Emma can't have Henry that we know from another men beside Neal. And she met him in our world. She was in this world because Regina treat to her parents. It's simple logic, right?
    And, I'm sorry, you couldn't be a successful educator or someone else if your parents didn't give you a birth, because you wouldn't even exist.

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  121. Nastya VinokurovaDecember 6, 2012 at 9:39 AM

    "ALL the magic out of Storybrooke (that's gonna be great for team protagonists in the future I'm sure) and tried to kill Snow and Emma right up until the last moments of Henry begging her to stop."
    We watch two different episodes? I saw that Rumple and Regina tried to stop Cora. They just didn't know who would jump up from this well. And Regina for many times said: "When MM and Emma return", "What if it would be Emma and MM" But Rumple always said: "It would be Cora and blah, blah, blah" He convinced her, playing with her love for Henry, with her 'wickness' . But why everyone there just see her like Evil Queen who want to kill Emma and MM. I don't see she even want to revenge Snow after breaking the curse. She just want to take care of her son again. To be his mother like she was for ten years before he want to find Emma and started called her Evil Queen. Just think for a moment - what it is to be parent, to be the most important person in kids life, to be loved by him and then lose it all in one day because your kid find out he was adopted and thinking that you are Evilest men in the world (that you maybe was for one day, but for 28 years in Storybrooke tried to find peace for yourself)? And then to meet tis kid birth mother who will have all his love with flick of her wrist? i think it's hurts like hell, even if your are not a woman who life is just miserable and painful starting with her childhood.

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  122. Mimi2koolDecember 8, 2012 at 11:39 PM

    You raise some good points. But I think we are all products of our upbringing and Regina is no exception. I cannot even imagine what it was like to be brought up by Cora and a kind but apparently weak father. Her mother taught her that love is weakness, and controlled her whenever and however she could. I do not want to make excuses for Regina. But it seems that she had been raised with poor values by a mother that is a control freak and murdered Daniel in front of her. I think her thinking about who is responsible for Daniel's death is off the wall, because the blame belongs squarely to Cora. But for some reason, Regina cannot go there and it is easier for her to blame Snow White, who was an easily manipulated child. It is going to take some time for Regina to make real changes, but she has made some baby steps in the right direction. She does not have a healthy sense of what love is, and that seems to be part of her struggle. She also does not seem to have any real friends and that social isolation may make things worse. After all, our friends are the ones who give us perspective when we cannot see things clearly ourselves. They are the ones who help us rein in our worst impulses.

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