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26 Nov 2012

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91 comments:

  1. C P26 November 2012 at 02:04

    Ahhh just when I like Aurora Hook has to steal her heart and give it to Cora, darn it.


    And now Charming is stuck in the Neverland. *facepalm*


    Gahhh I have a feeling the finale next week is going to torture me over holiday break. :I

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  2. klutzy_girl26 November 2012 at 02:08

    There were so many adorable Charming family moments! And holy shit at Hook stealing Aurora's heart. Honestly wasn't expecting that.


    It was a great episode and I loved it!

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  3. Nerwen Aldarion26 November 2012 at 02:10

    And Aurora and Mulan are FINALLY getting interesting.

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  4. Tanja63236223526 November 2012 at 02:26

    Favorite moment: Henry and Regina talk while she was fixing the potion. Long overdue, so well acted and very touching. Thanks to the writers and Jared Gilmore and Lana Parrilla for this.

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  5. Lissie_Bee26 November 2012 at 02:28

    Hmmm at least they're giving Aurora something more interesting. On the whole, I really enjoyed this episode... and it's probably bad that I didn't miss the rest of the cast too much. I just can't wait to see what havoc Cora and Hook wreak on Storybrooke when they finally make it there.

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  6. nellymendezcolon26 November 2012 at 02:58

    ..fue un episodio bonito pero confuso a la vez dos maldades en puntos opuestos van a chocar y sus consecuencias seran profundas e inreparables

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  7. laura334126 November 2012 at 03:10

    Well, finally Aurora and Mulan had some lines and action I was starting to wonder why the heck they were even their...And Whoa! Wow i wasn't expecting Hook to steal Aurora's heart! Its not going to end well,not in the The long run,and damn Cora,your gonna reek havoc for everyone.

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  8. Tanja63236223526 November 2012 at 03:11

    Forgot to add: Can anyone explain to me how Emma went from blaming herself to "let's blame Regina" after Snow told her what Cora did to Regina and Daniel? Did that make any sense to anyone or am I the only one left confused?

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  9. gerald christie26 November 2012 at 03:12

    It didn't make much sense, but it's Emma so what do you expect?

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  10. gerald christie26 November 2012 at 03:13

    It was okay episode, it mostly felt like filler and a build up for the next episode.

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  11. ^Marieliwii26 November 2012 at 03:24

    I was one of the most amazing episodes of the show so far!
    I LOVED all the Emma/Snow scenes <3

    can't wait till next episode!, Bet it's gonna be Epic!
    Cliffhanger much?, definitely

    I'll probably die next week after I realize it was the winter finale :(

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  12. Laura Rodriguez26 November 2012 at 03:44

    Did anyone else notice a subtle hind of a mermaid when they were talking about where the magical ink came from? Perhaps an Ariel story is in the works???

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  13. ^Marieliwii26 November 2012 at 03:54

    Oh yes it definitely is!

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  14. Dr3a26 November 2012 at 04:15

    this ep was really great!! but i can't believe that hook took auroras heart....by the way does anyone know if the heart can be put back in the body or will it be forever out and under someones control??

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  15. Courts26 November 2012 at 04:25

    Of all the reasons to genuinely be angry at Regina, the writers chose one that made no sense.

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  16. Demelza26 November 2012 at 04:34

    Great episode! Really loved the Rumbelle hamburger scene we got most of all, but the rest was great as well. I was SO not expecting Hook to steal poor Aurora's heart. I swear to God if they kill her off I'll be mega pissed.


    Also starting to fear for poor Belle in the next half of the season, what with Hook wanting revenge and now this double threat of what Cora would do. I foresee much angst. I mean I love angst, don't get me wrong, but I know it's gonna hurt so bad.


    Such a shame the next ep is the mid-season finale too though. Ugh! Does anyone know when it's back?

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  17. Danielle Thomas26 November 2012 at 04:51

    It was a great episode. The only thing is that Mulan is getting on my nerves. I loved the whole charming/Snow moment, that was adorable. I still do not trust Regina, I know she has something up her sleeve and now that Charming is under a sleeping spell, it should be interesting to see what she does next. The whole Hook stealing Aurora's heart really was not that surprising. I am excited to see the next episode.

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  18. Kathleen Kervin26 November 2012 at 05:02

    Regina blamed Snow for what had happened to Daniel, and so she tried to kill Snow with the poison apple, which led to Snow being in the burning room during her dreams.


    Regina also tried to kill Emma with the poisoned apple turnover, which led to Henry eating it and being in the burning room. Also, Regina was the one who brought the curse to the Enchanted Forest and made them live in Storybrooke, which led to Snow and Emma being in the Forest now while Charming and Henry are separated from them in Storybrook.


    Of course, in the end it's the fault of Cora, who made Regina what she is today, but Emma doesn't know Cora, she only knows Regina.

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  19. Chase Hunter26 November 2012 at 05:06

    I know, although people constantly disagree with me about how Snow was a factor but not the cause of Daniel's Death and Regina's revenge/misery, Snow admitted she was and then Emma says that, if she keeps that attitude there is going to be problems when everyone returns to Storybrooke.

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  20. MeatyStakes26 November 2012 at 05:15

    I hope it does :(

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  21. MeatyStakes26 November 2012 at 05:18

    Aurora!!! Please don't kill her. I hope they get her heart back, Mulan obviously (Though it might be a pretty heavy handed sapphic undertone)

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  22. Sandra Hero26 November 2012 at 05:26

    Finally the pace is picking up again. I enjoyed this episode more than the other recent ones...

    Rumple mentioned that Regina "saw the body" of a dead Cora, so I guess they tried to kill her before. That will probably be explored in a future episode.

    I loved the mermaid mention, I'd love to know when we will get to see Arielle...

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  23. Aydrian26 November 2012 at 06:49

    I just looked through all the comments. Whoa! No whining about Charming? Is that actually possible? I'm looking out for locusts next.

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  24. Marcela Mattiuzzo26 November 2012 at 08:52

    Actually, it only makes sense if the show Emma is taking the wrong step here: doing the exact same thing Regina did, which only lead to, well, some awfully messed up stuff.

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  25. Marcela Mattiuzzo26 November 2012 at 08:57

    Can we just give Lana Parrilla an award or something? How does she do that? Go from Evil Queen to Mayor Mills to super worried mom to innocent girl to bitchy apprentice to Your Highness... woman, you are good!

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  26. chairluva4eva26 November 2012 at 12:12

    Loved it, can't wait for Snow and Emma to go back to Storybrooke and wake Charming up. At least now we know that those pictures of the mid-season finale are really Snow and Emma since nobody else would be able to wake Charming.

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  27. Pauline NICOLAS26 November 2012 at 12:33

    Amazing episode!! That's the Hook I want to see! He was too nice in previous episodes! I want him to be a amazing and layered character! Not just a "love interest" for Emma.... The writers can do that later but for now they need to develop him better :) I mean he's Captain Fu***** Hook not some "loverboy" :)
    All the Regina/Rumple and Regina/Henry scenes were amazing but I thinks the best one was Emma and Mulan fighting over the compass like kindergarden's kids and Mommy Snow separating them :p
    Can't wait for next episode :) I hope we'll see Emma and Snow in Storybrook before the winter break even for a few minutes or seconds!

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  28. Courts26 November 2012 at 12:36

    But we've seen her do that already several times.

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  29. Courts26 November 2012 at 12:38

    Except she DOES know Cora, at this point with the exception of the apple turnover and the curse breaking, she's only heard tell of what Regina is capable of in terms of total evil, and worked in tandem with her several times.

    Whereas she has literally stood in the middle of a field of bodies, all murdered by Cora. So in a lot of ways, her knowledge of Cora versus her knowledge of Regina as the evil queen is a lot more sound.

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  30. Pauline NICOLAS26 November 2012 at 12:42

    No you're not...

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  31. Marcela Mattiuzzo26 November 2012 at 12:45

    Not under these circumstances. The difference now is Emma knows who Regina is, Henry is in no imminent danger (so there's no reason for them so stick together) and Emma is much more aware of her family situation (Snow and Regina issues and why Regina cast the curse in the 1st place). I don't think it is a very smart move from the writers, but it might make sense if their intention is to show Emma can't simply do the same thing Regina did and blame one single person for her life being ruined, even if that person in fact accountable.

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  32. DarthLocke426 November 2012 at 12:55

    Loved it! I think the nether world (ethereal plane) can act as bridge between corporeal realities. I believe Cora when she said that there is a place where people go when they die and can be found and maybe even retrieved (making this our flash sideways, that unlike Lost, we can use-which is also what I think Fringe's amber time line is). I like how the nether world initially seems to start those that are not corporeally dead in 'rooms' within some 'place'. Will be interesting to see if the whole netherworld comprises of 'inside' spaces, or if there are 'outside' spaces too?!


    It was so nice to see Regina be genuine and tell Henry something positive about his biological family. I do think she is trying hard! I also like the little wink to Fringe with talk centered around 'the enemy of my enemy' and how tables can turn.


    Poor Aurora, but I have to wonder if ultimately Killian will come to have feelings for her? -It almost seemed like there was some chemistry there, despite what he does to her! Kind of liked the 'zombie' aspect too, it made for an interesting concept, as we continue to deal with sleep and death...

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  33. DarthLocke426 November 2012 at 12:59

    That was a nice plot twist! Totally unexpected!...Hook's actions remind me very much of Rachel Matheson's: Now you need me.


    I kind of think they look good together though, Killian and Aurora. I think they have better chemistry, than Emma and Killian at this point...

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  34. DarthLocke426 November 2012 at 13:06

    Good point! -Although I suspect Emma can get dark...

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  35. DarthLocke426 November 2012 at 13:13

    Except that Cora didn't raise and almost murder her son (yet). -I think Emma in a lot of ways has darker under tones, and much like Regina had been, she is looking for someone to blame, but I think what might be really happening is that Emma can't live up to the fact that she did what she did to Henry to and she's sabotaging herself by still not listening to her family. I think Emma hasn't come to terms with her own baggage yet and it might become a problem down the line.

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  36. lsbloom26 November 2012 at 14:26

    Guilt and actual responsibility are different. Guilt is a sign that Emma and Snow feel bad when bad things happen to people and regret that they had any tangential part in it. Responsibility is actually being at fault. Emma is acknowledging the difference. Neither of them had anything to do with Regina cursing people--Regina made those choices.

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  37. InvestedInYourFuture26 November 2012 at 15:07

    Cora did not say that there's a place where People go when they die. She said that there's a place where souls of people killed by wraith are placed in.

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  38. C P26 November 2012 at 15:30

    Yeah! I caught that too.

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  39. Courts26 November 2012 at 15:50

    I would like that if I thought that Emma's characterization was in any way consistent. They just write Emma so BADLY all the time, so she does what they need her to do for the plot even if it doesn't make sense based on previous episodes

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  40. DarthLocke426 November 2012 at 16:22

    I think one thing that is clear is that Emma truly struggles with other's great expectations. I think you make a fair point (in that respect she is like her father), but I think we have only skinned the surface on who Emma is, which is why it seems like she's non consistent (but her name means all encouraging so she is meant to be little bit of every one thematically). Emma is more like Jack Shepphard than Charming is, because she still doesn't really know to what end she's 'here' for. She doesn't really understand her purpose or place in these worlds and I think we can't really know her or understand, until more plots and flashbacks make way to show us...which is half the fun of watching IMO, to see how these other things relate to upcoming things...

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  41. DarthLocke426 November 2012 at 16:28

    Only killed by a wrath? -I clearly missed the the specifics. Thanks. But I do think she said "nether world" (??) so I am assuming that at least Philip is somewhere in "there".

    But the idea could lead to there are several kinds of 'nether worlds' (ethereal planes) to exist in, depending on how you die...and perhaps like doors in a multiple universe dynamic (corporeal planes), there could be doors (or floors) in a multiple nether world universe (ethereal) dynamic...

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  42. Courts26 November 2012 at 16:29

    I don't think it needs to relate to anything in the past or the future. At 30 episodes in, her current characterization should be more consistent.

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  43. DarthLocke426 November 2012 at 16:43

    But she's consistent in being non consistent. -It could be intentional. Only time will tell.

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  44. DarthLocke426 November 2012 at 17:20

    'No body's fault but mine'...


    I agree. But I also think responsibility is about acknowledging your own faults and then trying to do so something about it. Learn from your past mistakes. IMO Emma fails here, because even though she was able to blame herself for her mistakes with Henry, it doesn't last long, because she turns around and blames Regina in a tone that implies revenge and then additionally she really didn't learn her lesson about listening to her family, because she isn't listening to Snow try to explain why Regina is the way she is...(Which then in turn we may want to say the same thing about Snow since we don't know why Cora is the way Cora is, except to say Rumple is one factor)

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  45. marisMish26 November 2012 at 18:57

    i think they are setting the grounds for Regina and Emma face-off. they are going to fight for Henry's love and this is just the beginning. Regina is now having these moments with henry and Emma wouldn't like it once she gets back.

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  46. lsbloom26 November 2012 at 19:02

    I see what you are saying. And it may prove to be what the writers are intending, but the entire blame everything Regina did on Cora argument is probably one of my biggest disappointments in a subpar season. Emma is perfectly right to blame Regina and Snow taking any blame is pretty much her being selflessly good, not being rational. Emma carrying guilt about not trusting Henry and being thickheaded--and probably some misplaced guilt about giving up her son to adoption in the first place--is a fine line to take, but to take the blame for the sleeping curse, when Henry knew just what he was doing and she had no idea and Regina knew what she was doing and Gold warned her of unintended consequences and she was willing to sacrifice her ring for it, is absurd to me. Regina deserves justice and not redemption.

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  47. marisMish26 November 2012 at 19:02

    i did the exact same thing... its definitely a first. i dn't what ppl have against hi..

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  48. Chase Hunter26 November 2012 at 19:23

    I think you just want to see Regina die because you are constantly trying to avoid any good qualities that she has or you are always blaming Regina for everything when in fact it was the actions of others that led her to form her own actions. So, really she is a victim and a predator.

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  49. lsbloom26 November 2012 at 19:27

    There is the view that the field of bodies wouldn't exist if Regina hadn't cursed everyone to Storybrooke and destroyed FTL in the process. They would have all been happy at home instead of hiding from ogres. Not to mention the fact that two people being evil doesn't really negate each other. For Emma (and this viewer), Cora hadn't anything to do with the evil that Emma had seen Regina do. And Regina's evil hit Emma personally, Cora's is primarily hearsay.

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  50. Courts26 November 2012 at 19:44

    Then you can say that Regina would have done nothing if it wasn't for Cora and Rumple, so that's a logic that goes around in circles.

    I'm gonna ignore the last part though.

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  51. Courts26 November 2012 at 19:46

    How is her taking blame for her own actions 'selflessly good'? And nobody is saying that everything Regina did is on Cora either.

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  52. lsbloom26 November 2012 at 19:48

    I want to see justice.

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  53. lsbloom26 November 2012 at 19:53

    So for almost 40 years all the horrible things Regina did were Cora's fault? For at least 28 years of that time Cora was in a completely different (more but I'm not entirely sure when she got sent to Wonderland) plane of existence. When does anyone on this show have to grow and take responsibility for their actions?

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  54. lsbloom26 November 2012 at 20:02

    We've had more than one conversation in which you take the position that none of it was Regina's fault it was all Cora and Rumple. @voguedreamer:disqus below says that exact thing as does @twitter-70005174:disqus also below.

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  55. Sandra Hero26 November 2012 at 20:14

    I have a feeling though that next week the sunshine between Regina and Henry will be over as Regina and Gold will do their best to keep Cora from coming over and Henry won't understand why they're willing to put Emma and Snow at risk for that :'(

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  56. Chase Hunter26 November 2012 at 20:37

    Ok, yes some of the things Regina did are her own fault such as killing Graham but you can not ignore the fact that she was abused as a child which already gives her a huge psychological problem and in effect twist her world view and morals. HER LOVER IS NOW GONE FOREVER, and it was Cora's fault but Snow was a factor in that cause. Now, I think Regina's anger should have been directed towards her mother and not Snow but still Snow was a factor. And also her life was not only twisted by her mother but also by Rumple and of course later on Jefferson and Dr. Whale (which their little pact they had to trick Regina reminds me so much of the real world with men that are often referred to as the good ol' boys but that is besides the point). Maybe she deserves more "justice" for what she did but I think she has already had a terribly hard and tough life and she is trying to turn it around (although I am not a big fan of the redemption plot but it's a television show, let the cards fall where they may).

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  57. Leonie198826 November 2012 at 20:45

    I loved how Snow listened to the Raven tell her what Cora wanted (I want to know if she can talk back) and how she tracked Mulan and kicked some serious ass with the Zombies. AND the Snow/Charming and Snow/Emma scenes were adorable!

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  58. laura334126 November 2012 at 20:54

    Wow,and i was half expecting to hear Regina call her a heartless bitch! :P

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  59. Courts26 November 2012 at 20:57

    Only if you decide to completely ignore what everyone is saying and twist their words to your own. Because neither of the people you mentioned say anything of the sort.

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  60. Courts26 November 2012 at 21:00

    Oh brother. Probably when Snow, Charming, Rumple, Red, Grumpy, etc take responsibility for their actions.

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  61. Lost_At_Sea26 November 2012 at 21:05

    Wow, I really enjoyed that episode! I thought it would be all set-up and pretty much filler, and while to an extent it was set-up, it was a thrilling and exciting episode with some fantastic character moments for pretty much everyone - Rumple, Belle, Regina, Henry, Charming, Snow, Emma, Cora, Hook...even Aurora and Mulan were given relevant plots and I think their acting improved this episode too!


    My favourite episode of the season so far, although I'm sure next week will be much much more! Excited!

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  62. lsbloom26 November 2012 at 21:35

    Seriously, you love Regina, hate Charming. I think Regina is a villain and Charming is a hero. There is no need to 1) rehash this or 2) get snarky about it. I don't think that a childhood of being groomed to be a lady and marry well or a mother pushing her daughter to marry is that out of the ordinary in that world. Yes, Cora took it further in killing Daniel, but you didn't see Katherine (who was being forced into a loveless marriage and had lost her true love) running around killing tons of people. I firmly believe that once Regina defeated Cora she made her own choices, she didn't grow up. When begged to take a new path to find happiness or at least peace she ripped her father's heart out. She terrorized a kingdom, killed Snow's dad, sent children to their deaths, raped and murdered, and topped that all off with cursing and destroying the vast majority of a world. So in the grand scheme of things, there is no one else nearly as villainous as she. She was never nice to Daniel, in the past she snipped at him and treated him like the servant he was and even when he was begging her to end his pain, she says No I need you. She never tried to find peace, she didn't seek justice, she operates entirely on the motivation of revenge and self-interest. You can't just wipe all that way because someone was mean to her once. The people on the show with good hearts don't follow that path. The bad people deserve justice: King George, Rumple, Hook, Regina, Cora. The good people deserve good things for staying on the right path even thought it is sometimes hard.


    What did Grumpy ever do?

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  63. lsbloom26 November 2012 at 21:38

    "you are always blaming Regina for everything when in fact it was the actions of others that led her to form her own actions. So, really she is a victim"

    "Of course, in the end it's the fault of Cora, who made Regina what she is today"



    In case you were confused.

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  64. Chase Hunter26 November 2012 at 21:45

    I also stated she was a predator. No misquotations, please.

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  65. lsbloom26 November 2012 at 21:47

    "And" is a conjunction meaning both parts are true. "Predator" has no meaning in this discussion so I didn't include it.,

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  66. Courts26 November 2012 at 21:50

    But neither of those things negate Regina making her own decisions, just that experiences and people make someone into what they are. Your point?

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  67. Chase Hunter26 November 2012 at 21:52

    Well, if we are going to get technical about all the details, Snow and Grumpy both killed guards when breaking into King George's castle to rescue Prince Charming so...they are not so innocent in the eyes of those guards or their families if they had any but that is another back story all in it's self. And I can only speak for myself, I do not hate the Charmings and yes I do love Regina more than anyone because she is such a dual, complicated and beautiful character.
    And also even though Cora had good intentions for her daughter she went about it very inhumanly with physical and psychological abuse. Although we don't necessarily know much about Cora's past, she could have went through more horrendous things than any character on the show.

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  68. lsbloom26 November 2012 at 21:53

    Apparently it is too complex for you to follow-- like the definition of victim or the fact that placing the blame at someone else's feet is a manner of absolution. So let's leave it, umkay?

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  69. Chase Hunter26 November 2012 at 21:55

    Well, the part about the predator could possibly have a meaning that might benefit your side of the discussion since she is the ultimate villain according to you.

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  70. Courts26 November 2012 at 22:07

    I've missed your nonsense in this forum!

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  71. lsbloom26 November 2012 at 22:09

    Don't worry, I'm sure we'll have lots of fun on Lost Girl come January.

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  72. Courts26 November 2012 at 22:09

    I don't hate Charming, I think he is written incredibly badly and used as a plot device rather than an actual character. We know literally nothing about who he is as a person other than he loves Snow so much he is willing to risk other people's lives for her.

    Just because it's not out of the ordinary doesn't make it any less cruel or inhumane or any less facilitating rape.

    I suppose if you have the slimmest version of what is good and what is evil. We've seen plenty of 'good' people do really shitty things, like Red and Snow torturing people, taking part in a raid and needlessly killing people, advocating murder, etc. We've seen Grumpy murder someone by putting a pickaxe in their back and force Sneezy across the town line because he didn't want to do it himself. In fact we've seen that "people with good hearts" are only a few steps away from following the same path as Regina, which is, as far as I can tell, is the point and certainly was the entire point of "Heart of Darkness". Everyone is the same and it's due to formative experiences and the support of others that shapes a person's psychological viewpoint.


    But I can't grant you anything about Daniel. You see it as her being cruel to him when it could have just as easily been her trying to hide any type of affection for him from her mother. And you also can't base a conversation of less than 30 seconds where he is asking him to kill her and she wanted another option but ultimate did as he asked as an example of being selfish or not nice. By that logic, Snow was those negative attributes for stopping Mulan from cutting down the beanstalk, etc.

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  73. lsbloom26 November 2012 at 22:12

    A predator is something that feeds on or devours its prey. Regina's motivation is revenge. I'm not at all clear what it is you are intending to say. So I can't address that.

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  74. Courts26 November 2012 at 22:13

    What I don't get about this comment is that ogres were a continuing problem where they were killing people in fairytale land en masse, to the point Belle was willing to sacrifice herself to save the people of her land. So there's really no argument to be had that people would be happy at home since people's homes were being destroyed by ogres.

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  75. lsbloom26 November 2012 at 22:13

    Seriously? Castle guards? Well, we don't know that they killed them, they may have just been wounded.

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  76. lsbloom26 November 2012 at 22:21

    Wasn't the second ogre war over--part of the deal with Rumple? Snow was pretty surprised that the ogres were back when she returned from Storybrooke.

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  77. lsbloom26 November 2012 at 22:32

    Seriously. You can argue all the shades of grey you want. But you take every opportunity to whine about Charming and call him a douchebag and everything else. And you take alot of time praising and loving Regina and Lana Parrilla. Call it what you want--love/hate, like/dislike, interest/disinterest. Regina is your favorite character and you don't think the Charmings are the heroes of this story--you've said so yourself, you've said you don't even think the story should or does revolve around them, giving you an incredibly off-kilter view of the show. You choose to see the show through Regina's eyes, fine. I don't. I prefer protagonists.


    Abigail is a totally valid example. She didn't freak out and go dark trying to get Frederick back, even after she thought it was impossible (she said so to Charming). It was the same position Regina found herself in before she ripped a girl's heart out and went to Rumple to learn power. Had Regina tried a different tack maybe there would have been a happy ending for her as well. She didn't, she doesn't get one. Fair is fair. People get hurt and die in wars. The line between good and evil isn't easy, but not crossing the line is what separates the good from the bad.

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  78. DarthLocke426 November 2012 at 23:02

    Ok. -But to you, what is justice in this case? -Because I get the sense the writers are making a point to say, 'there are many reasons why any of us become the way we are, but at some point, when we realize that we have gone too far, all we can to is try to remedy our faults. I think so far all of the characters, but Cora, Killian, King George, and The Blue Fairy have been presented as victims of circumstance, which I'm sure 3 of the four I mentioned are going down the same road. It's not using magic (or power) that is bad, but for purpose and/or intent it is used for. -I mean really when we get down to it, it is Rumple who has provoked, manipulated, and black mailed people into making a good chunk of the decisions some of them have been more or less forced to make, but again he IMO is a victim too. -I am curious at where you draw the line and what you think the punishments should be?

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  79. Burroak9626 November 2012 at 23:07

    Honestly, at the end of the day it is your decision to do what you choose. Certain upbringings may make you more predisposed to some actions more than others, however, it does not absolve you of guilt from atrocities you commit. At the end of the day Cora was at fault for killing Daniel and the refugees. Regina is at fault for casting the curse, killing Graham, and putting Henry and Snow under a sleeping curse, and Rumplestiltskin is responsible for the creation of the curse. (They are responsible for more, but those are the ones being discussed)

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  80. InvestedInYourFuture26 November 2012 at 23:50

    Nether World is where Souls put under the sleeping curse end up. The place with all the mirrors and the fire room.

    So Cora most likely meant that souls of wraith victims are put into same place but possibly a different location.

    Nether World in OUAT has been explained to be a "place between" realities, the same way how space would separate planets. Its the "wall" between parallel realities, so to say. And apparantly it also works as A modern interpretation of limbo

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  81. DarthLocke427 November 2012 at 00:42

    I don't think we have a "full" explanation. An ethereal plane or a pocket universes are just two other ways to say 'nether world' IMO (and is similar concept presented in Lost's flash side ways and in Fringe - Walter's pocket universe: "Through the looking glass and what Walter found there", and possibly the whole amber time line).

    The fact that Charming enters from a different location in the space and has to fall through the "floor" suggest there are "levels" to this neither world. (it calculates your corporeal status and segregates accordingly) The sleeping curse could be like a "false" death and allows for bi location. Most likely the corporeal people may be able to us the plane to their advantage some how, either as a bridge, communication devise, and/or ways to manipulate life extension, or change corporeal quantum mechanics.

    In mythology netherworld is usually a word of an underworld, spirit world, Bardo, Limbo, and/or hell and usually represents a plane, or planes of lost and/or "corporeally" dead souls. It might be possible that there are ways to get to other dead characters either in, or from that plane...

    I am pretty sure Cora is going to use the netherworld to cross

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  82. Chase Hunter27 November 2012 at 02:53

    Well, you have your answer as to what I meant in your own response. She is a predator in the sense that she feeds off of the unhappiness of Snow and everyone that ever made her angry/mad/sad/disappointed/upset, etc. Also in the sense that Regina did want to devour Snow since the word devour does not only mean to eat/consume but also to destroy or waste.

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  83. Ralissa Vassilissa27 November 2012 at 12:48

    Great episode - not as spectacular and emotional (for me) as Broken, We Are Both and The Doctor, but a solid "Great" on this scale. Unlike previous episodes, it didn't feel like a "filler", it moved the main story forward, and it had its adorable little moments.

    I just love the Regina/Henry/Charming parenting dynamic! When Henry woke up shortly after the beginning of the ep, and both Regina and Charming were sleeping on chairs near his bed - awwwwwwwwwwww, how cute was that?? <3 And both of them objecting at the same time to Gold's suggestion that Henry go back to sleep? And both of them taking turns rushing towards Henry's bed? <3 I wish we could have seen a little more of that this season, I never get enough of the Regina/Charming scenes.

    Anyway, I'm glad Henry FINALLY paid some sort of attention to Regina - he was still quite reserved and distant, merely acknowledging her efforts to do good, but at least it's a start. Naturally seeing her be so maternal and loving toward him is always a treat. :)
    It was also a supercute moment when Henry hugged David before David fell under the sleeping curse. When the boy was concerned about him and Regina tried to reassure him
    he will be alright, but then Gold signaled to her it was a false hope -
    that was kind of heartbreaking. I guess Charming won't wake up until Snow gets to Storybrooke. Will they leave him in Gold's shop for the time being?? That'd be awkward - Henry will probably want to stay there, and by extension Regina. I doubt Gold will be too thrilled to have her hanging around.

    Btw, I'm getting tired of Gold harping on Regina about Belle.
    It was quite fun though when she kept reminding him he may not be as powerful as Cora. :D

    On a sidenote, Cora/Hook will be canon, by the looks of it. :D Interesting dynamic there, can't wait to see what happens, double-crossing, triple-crossing?? It's hard to tell who he's playing more - the Snow!Team or Cora. I guess this Sunday ought to share some light on this subject.

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  84. Ralissa Vassilissa27 November 2012 at 12:51

    I know, right???
    It's remarkable, even when there are no costume changes or make-up changes involved, nothing but a change of facial expression and it's like you're seeing a completely different person??? She's just phenomenal. <3

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  85. DarthLocke427 November 2012 at 15:10

    Ha! That would have been the BEST!

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  86. Maret Hosemann27 November 2012 at 19:18

    Emma is shocked because of what she hears about Henry and the sleeping curse. So it's not abnormal that she's very mad at Regina right now. Some people here are way to harsh to Emma. She's a mother who hears about her sons suffering and blames the women who caused it finally. That doesn't mean Emma wants to rip off Reginas heart or want to do one of the other things Regina does with her enemies (and relatives).

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  87. Dominick Grace27 November 2012 at 20:48

    Well, the writers on this show are very good at making not very smart moves....

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  88. prpleight28 November 2012 at 06:42

    I think the episode they should submit to the Emmy judges is the one where she took Henry (it started with the tree branches grabbing her) She hit every mode of Regina in one episode...and what floored me the most was that in one episode there was a huge contrast between vulnerable young girl and evil queen. She is really phenomenal.

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  89. prpleight28 November 2012 at 06:56

    loved this episode. This was the first episode where I didn't want to slap Aurora and tell her to shut up. Loved the diner scene. Everything from when Granny brought the burgers to when Regina walked in. This was just a good fun hour.

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  90. omabin29 November 2012 at 00:16

    i liked the episode for the most part but they overdid a bit with the chesiness in some bits for my taste. still, i liked it. Everything moved along and everyone had nice scenes. Liked the regina scenes with henry very much and I liked that aurora had her own thing going on and even mullan to a smaller extent. Sad about charming being trapped but i guess this means they really are about to return, i dont see them leaving josh dallas doing nothing for much longer. how many episodes do we have before the break?

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  91. playdoc29 November 2012 at 03:54

    What an interesting episode!

    Hook - So...can anybody take a heart in FTL or something? 'Cause I missed it when they showed the class that was teaching a how-to on this. Though I liked the element of surprise and showing that the bad guys are actually formidable. However, it was a little out of left field to have Hook know how to do that heart stealing too. I assume this means he knows some dark/black magic too then? I suppose this is good in the long run in terms of character development for him. Since so far, he's only been a devious lover boy type.

    Charmings - The David & Snow/MM part was really adorable and romantic. I loved how the show emphasized the ideas of their "faith" in each other and the concept of "love", and how they'll "always find each other". Lines like those are the most quotable parts of this show for me, in terms of the writing, how it fits into the idea of "fairy-tales", and dialogue.

    Regina & Henry - I liked Henry's progression in trying to live up to the family heritage and wanting to be a hero. It really does seem like he was born to be a hero imo. Plus, I really like the relationship development between Henry and Regina. The acting and dialogue was very well done during that conversation between them. I liked Henry warming to Regina, and giving her encouragement and recognition for her efforts to right some wrongs. I hope Regina continues to be a morally ambiguous "gray" character, shifting back and forth from trying to do good, and trying to resist being "bad". Same for Gold/Rumple actually.


    Aurora - Last, but certainly not least. Aurora was actually interesting and was shaping up to be a cool character in this episode. I liked her spunk, bravery, loyalty, willingness to try helping others. and I'm sure many other great traits that I probably won't get to see for a long time, if ever. Just when I was just starting to like her, she gets her heart ripped out and is now basically Cora's puppet. Man! Poor girl can't catch a break! This episode made me like Aurora now. So I really hope they get her heart back. And eventually, she'll be reunited with her Prince Philip. I'm not asking for her or Mulan to be yet another series regular or anything. But, it'd be great to see her pop back in as a guest star, to continue her story, and finish it at some point.

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