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Supernatural - Episode 8.09 - Citizen Fang - Short Synopsis

29 Oct 2012

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Sam asks Martin to keep an eye on Benny after some unexplained deaths in Benny's hometown. Dean won't be particularly happy about it -- and when Martin finds out that a Winchester has teamed up with a vampire, he will not be impressed.

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53 comments:

  1. rehabber29 October 2012 at 10:49

    I am hoping that Benny turns out to be a good guy, but still wondering why he was at a funeral. I liked Martin and glad to see he is out of the funny farm.

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  2. isleofskye29 October 2012 at 11:01

    [Sam asks Martin to keep an eye on Benny after some unexplained deaths in Benny's hometown. ]
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    Sounds perfectly logical, but it causes me to wonder that if Sam knew how to contact Martin could he not have asked him to give him a hand in finding out where Dean had disappeared to when he was in Purgatory.
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    Then I don't understand why Dean wouldn't be happy about Martin keeping an eye on Benny, for if Benny really is killing people, wouldn't it be better to know one way or the other, even for Dean himself.

    Sam sort of trusted Ruby too but in the end Dean was right about her.
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    Then I would think Martin's attitude is perfectly normal. No hunter would be good with another hunter teaming up with a monster.

    If i remember rightly, Sam had plenty of hunters on his tail when he was considered a monster by them, eg, Gordon, Roy and Walt.

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  3. ScottA29 October 2012 at 11:57

    You can never have too much UNCLE RICO!!!

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  4. Dahne29 October 2012 at 12:36

    I don't question that Benny might be bad. I would however be very surprised if he ends up being the one killing people in this town. This episode is ripe for the SPN twist. I wonder if Benny ends up killing Martin though. I don't see Martin willing to let him go and Benny will do what he has to in order to survive.

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  5. tvmonkey29 October 2012 at 12:42

    makes sense that this would all be coming to a head one way or another in this episode, not sure if episode 9 or 10 will be mid season this year because of the late start?

    My hopes are that we find out Benny is a bad guy in this episode. I'm pretty sure set reports had Benny and Dean off on another hunt together.

    I also like the suggestion that some have come up with that Benny kills Martin not coz I want the guy dead but just because that would be an amazing end to the first half of the season. Perhaps only we tha audience will see and know what happened to Martin at that point and in the second half of the season Sam will be looking for Martin having not heard from him and Dean will continue to think Benny is a good monster? Maybe Martin cant find any evidence of Benny being bad and tells Sam so, perhaps easing Sam's supicison and Marin then dissapears. Now that to me would be interesting. It would be different from season 4 and fit into the whole mosters can be good theme/black, white, grey thing they have going on this season. There are are so many things they can do with this and though I think they'll go the Saint Dean right again, Sam is the wrong and bad brother route, the writers may actually suprise me?

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  6. klutzy_girl29 October 2012 at 12:49

    I love that Sam is doing this! He's been down this road before.

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  7. C P29 October 2012 at 13:03

    Didn't we get this info already?


    I remember Sam asking Martin to keep an eye on Benny and Martin not being impressed.

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  8. fazziemodo29 October 2012 at 15:41

    If Sam doesn't tell Dean that he's asked Martin to watch Benny then I can see why Dean won't be happy about it.

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  9. fazziemodo29 October 2012 at 15:46

    Then you get the ultimate grey area - can you say Benny is evil if he kills Marin purely in self defence.


    Also you will get another fandom fight starting as we'll have someone start the argument about which Winchester is the most indirectly responsible for Martin's death. Dean for letting Benny out of purgatory or Sam for putting Martin on Benny's trail.

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  10. fazziemodo29 October 2012 at 15:49

    Possible that Benny is finding out what has happened to his family in the 50 years since he got his head chopped off?

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  11. tvmonkey29 October 2012 at 16:05

    this mini synopsis was part of a spoiler but I dont think it was posted here

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  12. tvmonkey29 October 2012 at 16:11

    It wouldnt suprise me if Martin getting killed ends up being blamed on Sam

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  13. DarkUFO29 October 2012 at 16:11

    Yep, some people might have missed it so we thought we'd post it explicitly like we do normally.

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  14. tvmonkey29 October 2012 at 16:22

    I do wonder what it is Dean and Benny get up to in this episode, I vaguely rememeber as set report with Dean and Benny on the docks/at a warehouse at night, the Impala was parked outside? Anyone else remember that? It was similar to stuff that happened in episode 5 but filmed much later (a few weeks ago maybe?)

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  15. fazziemodo29 October 2012 at 16:27

    You will get a sizable group saying it is Dean to blame as well, when in fact if Martin goes for Benny and Benny hasn't had a hand in any deaths the only person responsible for Martin's death will be Martin.

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  16. MythAl29 October 2012 at 16:39

    I think Dean will team up with Benny to help him to prove his innocence,hunting the "real culprit" down and because of this Martin will find out.

    The spoilers are giving me vibes that they are going to tell Benny's story in 8x05, and making him appear to be a reliable monster, for saving Dean and Cas. I'm sure Edlund's going to make him look amazing next episode, even saying that the vampire doesn't kill humans, so the audience can trust him,just like Dean. But I'm guessing 8x09 will be the turning point, to Benny shows who he really is or the brothers relationship being really shaken, which justifies 8x09 being a mid-season episode.

    But there are some questions: Why didn't other monsters approach Dean wanting help to escape from purgatory too? Why do I get the impression only Benny knew about that door? Did the vampire have some involvement with the fact that Cas have stayed behind? He really likes Dean or the older Winchester was his guarantee of escape as well as an important ally now for his plans (like what's gonna happen in 8x05 and 8x09 probably)? I hope the show answers all that.

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  17. MythAl29 October 2012 at 16:48

    Ty said it was him,Jensen and another actor inside the warehouse,and it was an important scene, which means Dean, Benny and maybe the "culprit".

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  18. isleofskye29 October 2012 at 16:51

    Sam has come to understand that Dean trusts this Benny and for that very reason he can't ask him, because he's sure that Dean will object to Martin following Benny around.

    Dean didn't ask Sam if he could go and kill Amy because Sam had already told him that he had spared her life and that he trusted her not to kill any more.
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    However, I get that Dean trusts Benny because of Purgatory, but the truth is that he is still a vampire, fully capable of going back to killing humans at any time, so Dean; with all his past experiences, should be the first one to want to know if his friend Benny is all that he says he is.

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  19. fazziemodo29 October 2012 at 18:38

    Fine we will have to agree to disagree.


    Because to me the whole not telling Dean but there being unusual deaths that Benny maybe involved with smacks of Sam not trusting Dean's judgement and basically a flip around in who it being a bit of a dick.


    As you said Dean knows Benny is a vampire- if Sam says that there are deaths and it could be Benny then can you really see Dean not being willing to go and check if it Benny??? I can see him hoping it isn't but can you really see him letting a monster go after it is a confirmed killer?


    Remember the whole Sam not telling Dean about Amy when he went off - the lying from both sides worked out so well didn't it.

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  20. sharonally29 October 2012 at 18:46

    Dean did not trust Sam's judgement over Amy and decided he knew better. So if Sam thinks that maybe Dean is to close to Benny to be objective then going to Martin is a good option for him.It is a rock and hard place for Sam, he has to take it to account the relationship between Dean and Benny but also worry that Dean could fall in to the same trap he did.

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  21. fazziemodo29 October 2012 at 19:07

    Difference Amy was a confirmed killer but from the blurb we have unusual deaths in Benny's home town. We haven't had it confirmed that Benny is the one killing yet. So just because he isn't as cute as her doesn't mean they are totally comparable yet.


    But either way Dean being pissed at Sam sending Martin and not telling him until things get bad then I do understand why. Sam wants to go but then effectively says Dean can be trusted to do the job when people are actually dying? How exactly would you feel?


    Also if Benny isn't killing but then Martin does kill him to save Dean from himself then I can see that being a real problem in the brothers relationship because things will cross the fine line in Sam not trusting Dean's objectivity and Dean grudgingly getting why in time to Dean seeing it as Sam effectively signing his innocent friend's death warrant.

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  22. sharonally29 October 2012 at 19:29

    Dean is not in a position to get 'pissed' he needs to remember a few things . Amy being 'cute' as nothing to do with anything so I am not quite sure why you brought that up? . No nobody knows Benny even Dean doesnt really know Benny except in their Purgatory situation . Sam doing what he is doing is no different than what Dean would do if the situations were reversed . If Dean wants to get pissed then let him .

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  23. rehabber29 October 2012 at 19:42

    I thought about that and hope that is what it is, but why was he calling Dean? Just to hear a friendly voice.. I like Benny the little I have seen of him.

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  24. rehabber29 October 2012 at 19:44

    That makes way to much sense for SPN fans. lol Have to have something to fight over.

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  25. fazziemodo29 October 2012 at 19:51

    Yes let him get pissed but don't say he has no right to be pissed about his brother deliberately keeping him out the loop or lying to him when part of Sam being pissed back with Amy was Sam was Dean doing exactly that. I get the Sam fans wanting to have Sam have some glory and not be wrong. But as I said before it is pushing the brothers relationship to a really bad place if this it the episode that Benny loses his head and he does it to the man that Sam sent behind Dean's back and he isn't actually a killer.

    As for Amy being cute - We don't have Benny confirmed as a killer and someone brings up Amy to justify the argument that Sam at some point will have to slice and dice the guy and Dean has no right to voice anything about it because of her doesn't make sense to me. She was sympathetic there was no doubt. She was nice and sweet and we got why she killed. Doesn't mean she was right to do it. Doesn't mean that if Issac got ill again she wouldn't do it again and I'm guessing the four men she hunted down don't really care if she carpooled, gave to charity was kind to animals and gave a lonely little boy his first kiss.

    Look at the ghouls that killed Adam who started eating live people because John had killed their dad and made it hard for them to get dead meat, but we don't feel sympathy for them. They targeted Adam and his mother and the other friends of John because of that they wanted revenge for having their dad taken from them when he hadn't hurt anyone but still we don't feel sympathy for them. We do feel sympathetic for Sam and Dean who's childhood does have some parallels to the two ghouls. They had a parent taken, they were doing things they wouldn't have to if Mary hadn't died but we feel sympathy for them - why because we get more of a backstory and the guys aren't hard on the eye.



    Look at Kate in Bitten - we are sympathetic.


    Benny - we know very little about him apart from he is a vampire and he was in purgatory - we don't even know how long he was a vampire before he got stuck there.


    Give the storyline a chance before simply saying Benny is going to be a way for Sam to get one over on Dean after Dean has been mean to Sam.

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  26. sharonally29 October 2012 at 20:10

    This isnt about Sam getting one over Dean thats your idea not anybody elses. I am sorry you seem to think Benny should have a different set of rules on him but I see nothing wrong in Sam going to Martin .And I would assume Benny would of killed it isnt casting aspersions on him ,And if I recall I never mentioned Sam slicing and dicing but simply why Sam would go to Martin .

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  27. fazziemodo29 October 2012 at 21:03

    That would be nice Benny seeing his say son or daughter buried and he calls the one person who knows he exists. (I doubt it will be allowed to be that but it would be nice)


    Also It would be interesting if the end of Benny's story kind of mirrors Dean's PTSD and Benny ends up begging Dean to help him go back to purgatory as he can't take being up top and wants to go back to somewhere that is 'pure' and uncomplicated even if it means he ends up going on a killing spree or threatening Sam to get Dean to do it.

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  28. fazziemodo29 October 2012 at 21:13

    There is nothing wrong with Sam going to Martin but there is nothing wrong with Dean being pissed at being kept out of the loop. As for the thing about this being about Sam getting one over on Dean and the slicing and dicing I am not commenting on you but some of the tone in general of this fandom with some commenting on hoping Benny will be evil the remember Ruby remember Amy and Dean needs to remember things.


    It takes away from the actual fact that these are two brothers who at present have a real reason to not be connecting and Sam not being open (even if he may have real logical reasons to doubt Benny who may turn out to be evil or not we don't have proof either way yet) risks Dean giving him what he is professing he wants - out of the family business but not by his choice but by Dean walking away.

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  29. sharonally29 October 2012 at 21:32

    So Dean does need to remember things. He gave Sam pardon the pun hell over Ruby people bringing that up is only natural . He killed Amy of what view somebody has he killed someone he saw has a danger despite her history with Sam. He is now associating with a vampire whom he brought out of Purgatory with him . The truth is Benny could turn out to be the 10 million to one chance who Dean just happened to come across in Purgatory and be a 'good' vampire in the mould of Lenore and Sam is as wrong as wrong can be with Benny and Dean will get angry with Sam for sending Martin . But what if Sam isnt wrong? .

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  30. fazziemodo29 October 2012 at 21:46

    You are missing my point Sam can ask Martin to watch Benny and he might not be wrong but the keeping it from Dean on the grounds that Dean isn't 'objective and saying Dean should just eat it.

    That leaves a bad taste is that there will cheering Sam decision not because Benny may be a threat but Dean needs to eat Sam's behaviour as they think he needs to 'remember things' because it seems that they have also forgotten that Dean lying about Amy came to bit him on the ass when Sam found out.

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  31. Megan_B29 October 2012 at 21:54

    ''This isnt about Sam getting one over Dean thats your idea not anybody elses''
    Actually I saw a lot of person saying that they want Sam to be right about Benny being evil, just to do a '' In your face!!'' to Dean cause Sam was wrong about Ruby and they don't want Dean to be right, even if it's not everyone. But either way, wether bBenny turn out good or bad, Sam is right to want to make sure^^;

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  32. Megan_B29 October 2012 at 21:57

    That would be like in Metarmophosis, Sam not wanting to kill the guy (Jake I think his name was) until the guy does actually something to get kill for (like killing people) and Jake killed the hunter because the hunter attacked him.

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  33. sharonally29 October 2012 at 22:00

    No I got your point and I also get that the Benny situation will cause problems. The grounds of Dean not be objective because of his history with Benny is a perfectly valid one it was one used where Sam was concerned so again I dont see the difference .Look we are going around in circles with this so I shall leave it there .

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  34. Megan_B29 October 2012 at 22:09

    I don't get the ''Saint Dean and Evil Sam'' if Benny turn out to be good. Sam trusted a lot of monsters, was right some times, was wrong others time. Dean is too close to think with facts and not his emotions, Sam is right to check and make sure, and if Benny turn out good..well..that's it....Dean was wrong about not trusting the vampires in Season 2, he was wrong about thinking Cass needed to be kill in 7x01 (and Sam was right in this to trust Cass and call him for help). In all those time Dean was wrong, I never saw a brother war with Dean's fans complaining that Sam was a saint and Dean evil cause he was wrong. This fan ''logic'' of bad/good only apply when Dean is right, never when Sam is right and Dean is wrong

    Not saying Benny will be good for sure, I have no idea. I just don't see what it change whatever Benny turn out to be good or bad.

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  35. lsbloom29 October 2012 at 22:15

    IMO Because sometimes the show moves into Sam isn't allowed to make his own decisions mode (bad things happen to tell us that Sam was wrong). This feels like it's gonna be one of them. Like when both brothers wanted to kill Lilith it was all good, but once Dean decided they should quite trying to kill her, Sam was wrong to pursue the goal, even though they didn't give Dean a reason to change his mind until the angels told him about the seal--information that Sam didn't get--which was at the very end.

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  36. sharonally29 October 2012 at 22:25

    Probably because the same weight isnt put on Dean being wrong as it is with Sam esp in the writing and context of the show . And Dean's wrong doesnt tend to have huge consequences which get underlined .

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  37. SuePo29 October 2012 at 22:41

    That's true, but Sam didn't kill Jack because he'd killed Travis, he killed him because he appeared to be going after an unconscious, unprotected Dean. So Sam killed Jack for the same reason Jack killed Travis. I think it's going to be a recurring theme this year -- "who's really the monster?" I like that they're taking us down this path. It's good to be forced to think. :)

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  38. Megan_B29 October 2012 at 22:41

    Dean making a deal is the reason why Sam was allow to come back and make his own mistakes, not to mention that making a deal was the reason why Dean went to hell and why he opened the first sceal. he should've know better than make a deal, especially after saying how wrong his father was to make his own.....he made a mistake, thinking he was doing the right thing, which led to huge consequences

    Both brothers made mistakes, neither of them are perfect, neither are ''Saint'' or ''evil''

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  39. Megan_B29 October 2012 at 23:02

    Not sure I get why your exemple proove that Sam is evil, you say it yourself that Dean only knew that fact cause he was told the truth by the angels. It's doesn't make Sam evil and Dean a saint. If Dean didn't know and had a free shot, he would've kill Lilith too. Sam's mistake was to drink demon blood and choose a demon over his own brother.


    Sure the ending led to the appocalypse, but Sam's act was only the last mistakes in a long list of mistakes by everyone (Starting with Mary's deal, follow by Dean's deal and Cass freeing Sam and many others between). Everyone had his part to play and if only one of them didn't do an action, one of those mistakes, the rest wouldn't exist, unless everyone is bad

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  40. lsbloom29 October 2012 at 23:23

    While you seem pretty forgiving, the show blamed the apocalypse on Sam breaking the final seal. Not on Dean breaking the first one. And the "choose a demon over his brother" was part of that. Sam didn't say oh hey I like Ruby better, he wanted to kill Lilith and had a way to do it that didn't involve Dean and was against Dean's wishes and that--Sam making his own decision about how best to fight evil--per the show, was "wrong" because it led to the apocalypse and Dean yelling at Sam. Dean actively tried to stopped him from killing Lilith, without a reason. Sam choosing to go ahead with it was not siding with his brother (or not doing everything Dean told him to do) and led to bad things happening.

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  41. Megan_B29 October 2012 at 23:32

    In Fallen idols Dean did say that they both couldn't knew that killing Lilith was a bad thing and he admitted that part of the appocalypse was his own fault cause of the first one. Not to mention it's been a long long lonnngg time since they last talk about it, it's forgiven since a long time. Sam repaired his own mistakes, the ''show'' has forgive him. The fans are the one still figthing over it 3-4 years later.

    Every characters did wrong somewhere that contributed to the big snowball, everyone did mistakes, but the difference between them and others characters in the show is how they admittent their mistakes and did absolutely everything they could to fix them and they did. If the show is over it, why the fans aren't yet?

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  42. lsbloom29 October 2012 at 23:44

    I was using it as an example of how the show has on occasion made it that Sam isn't allowed to make his own decisions. Being forgiven in effect only solidifies that it was a mistake in the first place...something bad had to be forgiven. I'm not saying it is an ongoing issue, just an example of "saint" (with the angels) vs "evil" (joining with demons to start the apocalypse) in the past, which for me came down on some level to Sam deciding for himself against Dean's wishes to kill Lilith.

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  43. Bruce_F29 October 2012 at 23:45

    The overall disdain apparent is this thread is too much. I had enough of that in the sneak peek topic earlier in the week. I'm outta here.

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  44. Megan_B29 October 2012 at 23:54

    If we take that to S8, right now I don't see the same thing happening. I don't see how it can end up Dean being Saint if Benny turn out good. It will just be that he was right about Benny being a ''one in a thousand/hundred'' monster. If Dean is right and the fans make him a ''Saint'' only because of the simple fact of being right for that (while being wrong others times on the same kind of subject), that mean that Sam would be a saint for Season 2, and in S7 with Cass, right? Or the logic only work with one character? Double standards?


    The only ''saint v.s evil''(to use the fans words) I would see this season would be if Benny turn out very bad and either kill people and it's obvious to both boys and/or make Dean do something very bad and Dean stay on board. If Benny turn out bad and Dean see it, turn his back on him and kill him (or let Sam kill him), it doesn't make one or another bad, its just make another time that one was wrong about a monster.

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  45. Andrezza30 October 2012 at 01:24

    I really liked what you he said. @.@ ... First they make the Benny to seem a good monster and later what really it is. The famous Devil in the skin of Lamb.

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  46. Dahne30 October 2012 at 01:56

    Currently episode 9 is supposed to be the midseason finale.

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  47. fazziemodo30 October 2012 at 06:28

    fine you see it as Sam simply being concerned I see some people's reaction to these few lines as a double standard and them wanting to have Dean bend down to Sam and say yes you are wonderful aren't you great and I have been awful to you. That isn't a relationship between siblings but wanting Dean to become sycophantic and the quickest way to end the show as Sam will go off and Dean won't have anything to do with him again because he brings nothing but trouble to Sam's life.


    Both boys have flaws, both boys suffer, and make mistakes and both boys are allowed to react to the others actions but acting as a cheer squad when you think one boy gets one over the other, saying it is deserved as someone needs to remember things, rather than just dealing with the storyline infront of them - that is just sad.

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  48. sharonally30 October 2012 at 07:27

    I am not going to respond to your post as you have stated it as because I never said that. Nor have I stated that neither brother doesnt have flaws. Neither am I responsible for Dean's past actions the simple fact the Benny relationship will naturally bring up other instances. I dont appreciate the tone and have found it unnecessary . So witrh respect I shall leave the subject there .

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  49. fazziemodo30 October 2012 at 17:46

    If you don't appreciate my tone then I can't do anything about that as I said before my comments weren't at you personally but at the tone of the thread in general. If you read the whole thing we have comments like the saint Dean being right again, Amy being brought in, Sam not being allowed to make decision, Dean needs to remember thing. All of which really take the shine off discussing a episode that hasn't been on yet, especially as I think it is one of the last ones Benny is in and is the mid season finale I think which means it is quite possible that Dean does walk away from Sam at that point because of what happens in this episode - but hey I'm guessing some will paint that as Dean being childish when Sam was only concerned and not both boys are messed up or have messed up because they kept things from each other.


    But if you want to leave the topic there that is fine with me too.

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  50. sdwhiskey30 October 2012 at 19:57

    So has Dean. Time after time he backed off going after Ruby simply because Sam asked him to. Of course it was quite a different situation for Dean personally after he went to hell, with Sam actually *protecting* the demon who wished she could hear Dean's screams as his flesh is ripped off his bones in hell.

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  51. Charlene Buchanan31 October 2012 at 13:36

    whos martian ?

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  52. rehabber31 October 2012 at 13:54

    He is the hunter that was in the nut house that they went to help when the monster was killing people.

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  53. Charlene Buchanan8 November 2012 at 23:27

    oh aye thanks

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