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Revolution - It's Pretty Thought Provoking

16 Oct 2012

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When I first saw the trailers for NBC's Revolution a few months ago, I thought that the show would move along the lines of other famous quest based movies and TV shows, such as Legend of the Seeker, and the Lord of the Rings trilogy. At this point, I should probably point out that I am not a fan of either of the aforementioned, but Revolution has done a darn good job in captivating my imagination, and providing plenty of things to think about, despite my misguided preconceptions

The best reason that I can come up with to answer the question of what captivates me so much is that the show is moving forward at breakneck speed. None of the shows I've watched over the past few years have moved forward so quickly. To date, we've witnessed meetings between rival characters, seen dozens of people killed - including a lead character, seen plenty of flashbacks to various points in the characters' past, and we've even seen the power come back on for a brief moment. And all of this has taken place in just 5 episodes, and it seems like it's only the tip of the iceberg

Because Revolution is set in such a radically different, yet familiar world, it also prods pretty deeply at my curiosity about what life would really be like without power, let alone 15 years without power. Sure, you have to bear in mind that it's a TV show we are talking about here, but I'm certain I'm not the only viewer to think about this sort of stuff. All power going out is a  pretty radical concept on its own before you add 15 years, but it goes without saying that building a TV show with a story based around such a concept, is a pretty daunting, but interesting challenge.

As a result, a show like this raises numerous questions about a wide variety of topics. Some that I continue to ask myself include what the population of the US/world be after 15 years, would there still be guns and ammunition left after 15 years, and would the types of building materials and clothing still be sustainable with primitive tools and machines after 15 years.

Again, I'd put money on the fact that I'm not the only viewer who thinks about this sort of stuff, and though the answers to the latter two questions seem to be 'YES' from the point of view of the show, the answer to the first question is debatable, though I wouldn't hesitate in suggesting that there wouldn't be any more than 10%, maybe as low as 5% of the population before the blackout, alive and well 15 years later. It goes without saying that I'd love it if the show put their own estimation out there at some point for us to ponder

The realism of the show encompasses all of the things I've discussed above. Sure, with any show you can find a multitude of things wrong with comparisons from Hollywood to real life, but Revolution is slightly different because none of us (I'm hoping) will have faced such a situation in our lifetimes

From my perspective, so far Revolution hasn't disgraced itself at all, because I know I've seen far worse. Though I've been wondering if there would be such a plentiful supply of weapons and ammunition 15 years after the supply stopped, I suppose you could say it isn't entirely impossible. Whether there would be enough food to feed everyone is also debatable, considering society's trend toward ever more convenient and processed foods. However I don't believe there would be a plentiful supply of welding and steel working materials, in particular the blowtorch being used on the train in last nights episode, 15 years later. Going back to the pilot episode though, planes falling vertically while spinning horizontally out of the sky simply wouldn't happen, as the principles of aerodynamics would remain constant whether there was electricity or not. Sure, the planes would almost certainly crash with no form of navigation or guidance whatsoever, but they wouldn't fall from the sky in that fashion. Of all the questionable aspects of realism to date, that has to be the worst for me

I could easily go on, and I'm certain you readers can suggest many more incorrect demonstrations of something happening that isn't quite right, but I reiterate, I have definitely seen worse. To be brutally honest, I don't think I would be watching Revolution had it not performed as well as it has in this area

At the end of the day, I really like a good story, and so far Revolution has delivered in this area. As I mentioned earlier, the show as a whole is very fast moving. Though character development hasn't really occurred, what has occurred in its place is the very rapid buildup of relationships and connections between characters. This alone is a very good sign that the show is in good hands, and it's the perfect way to begin a series, with this many connections so early on

Last nights episode saw a couple of predictable mini-arcs reach a tipping point. One of these was the attempted rescue of Danny. Another was the conflict between Danny and Captain Neville reaching a peak. Though these story arcs will continue for the foreseeable future, there are several others bubbling away nicely, ready to appear at any moment. These include information on the pendants, of which we learned last night that there are 12 in existence, three of which we know who holds them. The relationship between Monroe and Rachel Matheson, and what happened to Grace at the hands of Randall are also interesting, and there are plenty more that myself, and you, the readers, could mention

As if this wasn't enough, we are told that there are five other mini-countries that make up the former USA. It seems that there are politics at play here as well, with the Plains Nation and the Georgia Federation forming an alliance, surrounding the Monroe Republic, where one could possibly assume that the groundwork for a possible invasion is being laid

After having a read of what I've just written myself, it seems as though I'm waffling a bit, with no real point to be made. I suppose now would be a good time to say that Revolution isn't my favorite show, nor is it the most well made or acted, though both of those are definitely respectable enough. The set design is pretty good, but the music is the polar opposite at times. The fight scenes are intense, but the characters are hardly seen to be eating or drinking, which is something that I hope the writers explain, because it is a post-power world, after all. No corner dairy any more!

However I want to wrap things up by saying that Revolution makes you think, but it doesn't make you think sentimentally - well, that's the case for me anyway because I've never lived more than a fortnight without power. What Revolution is, is a show that blends a radical concept, a very strong set of characters, and an impressive storyline, into a fast moving, action packed format, with plenty going on at once. From the five episodes to date, I think it's safe to say that the next 17 will be just as entertaining and thought provoking, and that another season is highly likely. It's a good time to jump on the band wagon and see what you think of the show, because I doubt that there are many people out there who were as skeptical to begin with, but who are enjoying the show and its thought provoking abilities as much as I am

So what do you think of the 5 episodes so far. Are they what you were expecting?? What do you want to see more, or less of?? What's the show missing?? What can be improved?? And finally, where do you think the storyline is heading?? Sure, it's early days, but this show has certainly proved to be more entertaining to speculate on than others I watch. Make yourself heard in the comments below.

If you want to get a better understanding of the relationships between characters, click here to view this post

Thanks for reading, and please check out my website, www.seriesmonitor.com
Jimmy

43 comments:

  1. Thanks Jimmy, nice to see others enjoying the show.


    I don't get hung up too much on the realism, I just enjoy it for what it is. It's some good fun escapism. I'm here for the full season now

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  2. Realism certainly isn't the end of the world, but it does annoy me if something is blatantly wrong. Of course it depends on the show as to how blatantly wrong something can be but like I said, Revolution is doing pretty good

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  3. That the show has not provided for reintroduction of steam-powered manufacturing and transportation makes it a travesty to me. People simply would not act that way. It's fine to stipulate a science fiction starting point, but you can't gratuitously scrap parts of reality and human psychology and make your story cogent. The formula of Charlie's and Miles' characters are irritating to me. Every week, she stops him from killing someone, every week he moves to leave then shows he really does care. Originality is weak in this show.

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  4. We've seen two towns. One of which was an isolated rural community and the other had a train. We don't know when Monroe got the train back up and working in some capacity, we know it was broken down in Nobelsville. There is nothing to say that the militia or other republics don't have steam powered anything. People spent three episodes complaining that there weren't trains and here's a train. We haven't seen the entire world. And they haven't scrapped everything. One rationale that the Monroe Republic hasn't switched over to a completely different method of manufacturing is because the leader of said republic is still trying to get electricity to work. There isn't the top-down impetus. He is much more concerned with getting a helicopter to work than creating a steampunk way of life.

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  5. I think there are a lot of interesting concepts presented and I agree to not look at it from a realist perspective, as it is meant to be a coming of age Utopian revival story ...But there could be a physical reason for the overly violent acts (The Stand and Plague Dogs are both about concerns of a deadly biological-chemical/virus that look more at the actions of humanity and it's choices. For Bad Robot a bio-chemical weapon that could make people act different isn't out reach. Alias, Fringe, and Lost have touches of that) Also there could be other physical reasons on why the way things do or do not work the way they do. (could be an electro-dynamo generator involved, or other advanced pieces of tech...)


    But I do disagree that we are moving forward. I feel like there is too much time spent on very similar scenes with very similar dialogue, but a lack of substance in story progression to satisfy the emotional justification of those scenes.


    Danny gets loose, Danny gets caught, Danny is set up to be emotional, Danny gets knocked down. X3....


    Miles is not OK with "this" and Charlie challenges him. Miles thinks and changes, Charlie isn't ok with it any more, ect, ect.


    Rachel is held captive and useless, Rachel is being held captive and useless, but then suddenly caves in.

    Nate/Jason gets into a compromising position with Charlie, He lets her go x2

    Miltia is nice for a moment to get info, militia proceeds no quarter

    Nora wants revenge, Nora wants revenge, ect.


    What happened to Grace and Randall (and the schematics for some machine!)????

    I feel like there is very little character progression, because they haven't moved on from repeating themselves.


    I also don't like the way we get mythology. It is very 'end-of-the-episode' bread crummy, instead of building up to bigger reveals that are also emotional reveals simultaneously.
    Like you said it's executed in a way that is 'matter of fact' instead of sentimental, which IMO is what it lacks, as that would be the only reason to care about the ideas of war, love, right of passage, primal instincts, and socio-political concepts in terms of how any society actually functions, electricity or not. These things don't matter if they are not evolving the characters and bringing them new paths and perspectives. Plus our good characters keep "loosing", which doesn't bode well about a story of hope and revival. It's allowing the realism aspect that they are allegedly fighting against come to fruition, instead of the other way and that's why I think we have viewers keep coming back to it. (Hope has not lit the way yet, it keeps getting snuffed out)


    On another note. I love the way things look! I am just ready to get past this Danny captive, Rachel is just sitting there, and Charlie and Miles can't just "click" plots, to finally see and learn something new or more definitive reveal.


    What I think could be happening: Ben helped turn the power off so that Monroe couldn't finish a super weapon (death star). I don't think Monroe is the biggest fish either. I am curious about the Georgia Federation...I think maybe the 12 medallions have more than one function...

    But Thank you so much for your review! (: I'll be sticking with it, because I do think it has potential and other things have been improving.

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  6. I really don't have a problem with the realism. I am just enjoying the show. If I spent all my time criticizing shows for their inaccuracies, I would not watch a whole lot of TV; It would be to tiring. That being said, I love that i am getting the information about this mysterious blackout. The show seems to have set up a good pace. I have heard we will know what caused the blackout before the end of season 1. This is an unexpected but an awesome way for the writers to go. I was a huge fan of Lost but when I finally found out I was MAD.
    I am also a fan of the Charlie/Nate(Jason) relationship. I bet there will be a Romeo/Juliet storyline here. I just can't get enough of those two. I loved that he tossed her out of the train. Not so sure about Bass/Rachel. Why is she the one he took?

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  7. I agree, the narrative should have an actively growing steam- and wind-powered economy and transportation already in place. There is a lot you can do with steam and wind, all such mechanical things that have to move a lot of mass, like steel forges and pumps. Once you get a flywheel spinning, you can divert the power in smaller increments to lathes mills and drill presses, with which you can continue to make tools, gears, cams and linkages, the basic components of many mechanical devices, and for Monroe, weapons. (His muzzle-loaded rifles make me roll my eyes. As if those are more likely than more advanced designs? How are they making those without forges, drills, mills, hacksaws and lathes, anyway?)


    We did see trains in a train yard, but they weren't operational; Obviously, they were of the old, not of the new. I don't remember Monroe had a working train. Obviously, too, we haven't seen the entire world, although the show did imply there was no steam or wind transportation. All our characters have to walk, and Maggie, RIP, couldn't sail or steam her way back to England.



    I think the writers like the qualities of an 1850s or Civil War level of tech, and don't want a steampunk sort of environment, that's all. It's an aesthetic, not a logical choice.


    Same for the characters. I agree the producers and writers surely believe they have to make characters that are readily recognizable and understandable. Though, remember Lost, that for a while portrayed relatively deep and complex characters, of intelligence and will. Certainly there's room for simpler and even simplistic shows and characters. That sort of entertainment makes a lot of money (alas, not for me or my family), but I decry it.

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  8. People want entertainment they feel is good, that is to say, makes them feel actualized, realized, helps them feel their natures. So, the requirement of "realism" for one isn't that which satisfies another. It's too extreme, too didactic, to say that this or that type of discussion needs to stop. People are at all sorts of levels of differences.

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  9. My 16-year-old son loves the show, as does my wife, and I started watching it because of them. My son loves it that there's a lot of action, as he puts it, meaning, a lot of physical confrontation, fighting and danger portrayed in each ep. I think my wife likes the characterizations. As I explained, I'm a little fed up with it and it's not for me, but I'm still watching it.

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  10. Have you watched the last few episodes? They tried to blow up the train in this week's episode? Like the boats that Maggie was looking for they were under the control of the militia. Every week they talk about the militia controlling resources. If you wanted to build something infrastructure-y you would need to go through them. Going for a steampunk aesthetic would completely change the show from adventure quest to a specific sort of sci-fi. It is completely reasonable to not take that idea, not just as a storytelling technique but within the world that they are constructing. Most people don't even know what steampunk is and a bunch of romance novelists and scifi nuts aren't going to get together and recreate manufacturing.


    Look that the alternative fuel debates that have been going around for 40 years. Without government financing and pushing those innovations, we've gotten nowhere. And that is with all the communication and technology and resources available in world where you don't have to think about food, shelter, water priorities. You can't have steam powered transportation without a way to handle the weight, hence trains on iron rails, without a major investiture of resources and manpower we can't redevelop and expand those systems, and in this case you don't have the man with the power pushing for those infrastructure system.

    I believe they are shooting for a Revolutionary war aesthetic, not Civil.

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  11. Yes! This is the point of that! -It's about the control! And we should be asking ourselves why they want so much control...

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  12. In the end the show makes sense, with very few exceptions for Hollywood, more than a lot of shows. And frankly I'm tired of explaining how spark plugs work to people. This isn't about wanting realism, it's about making it past knee jerk assumptions that something doesn't work or isn't how someone'd choose to survive a cataclysmic event. The show is how these guys do. If it stays internally logical, great. Otherwise, you know aliens don't exist, and electricity can still be propagated, and most people in the world aren't as pretty as those who succeed at being on TV, you have to take some things at face value as you do with all television shows. We're past the point where if you don't like the premise of the show you need to stop complaining about it on boards for people who do like it.

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  13. I LOVE this show. And to be honest, I never think about the realism of a show, because it's a show.
    I like how most of the things on this show are so mysterious, like the blackout and the pendants, and the relationship between Rachel and Monroe, and the woman who had a pendant and a computer(Grace, right?). And I love the characters.
    When I watch this show, I never get bored, and when I do, it's for like a second, because there's always something interesting going on.

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  14. I completely agree! ! !

    The Powers That Be have stated in more than one interview: watch the first episode, where did the blackout START? I went back & watched those scenes several times: NY, New Hampshire, Massachusetts etc - as in the original 13 colonies- THIS is where the blackout starts. Which is interesting, WE the US started it.

    Revolution is steeped in: Control - Family - Electricity: each of which has many arcs.
    And those are the real questions:

    Who shut off the power? & WHY?
    Who would need THAT much control?
    The Miles/Rachel/Bass connection?
    Who holds the "pendants" & why are they the Chosen Ones to have them in the first place?
    Why is Danny SO important?

    I enjoy this show, and will be staying with it.
    As for the realism........ who needs it to be completely real? I have enough realism in everyday life, THIS is why I watch tv ! To be entertained, to escape, have a little fun, and the mystery - I love to get caught up in the mysteries ! Ha ! - Just call me Velma !!!

    I say.... sit back & enjoy the ride.

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  15. Thanks for the article. But as a viewer and commenter on this show. I'm am completely OVER the discussion of whether or not something is "realistic." It's Hollywood, it's close. They did research. Move on.

    I tried of arguing with people about whether dogs attack in packs and what the midwest looks like in the late summer and how far Lowell is from Nobelsville and whether or not 120 miles is sufficient to have a change in weather pattern. That type of discussion for this show needs to stop. Four episodes later you are still pulled out of the story because a plane with no controls and no power drops 30,000 feet and at some point goes into a spin? In the background of a scene? Why? And better yet, how do you watch TV? Let it go or find a new show to watch.

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  16. Jennifer Williams17 October 2012 at 01:04

    Loving this show and it looks like the ratings are good enough to get a 2nd season!

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  17. Yeah I guess that because we've seen so much in 5 episodes, there are a few arcs that have been begun, but have not had the time to progress yet. The Randall/Grace situation is the perfect example.

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  18. Some awesome, well thought out comments from you readers. Really good to see, and really interesting to read. Keep them coming!!

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  19. Well said. There is a lot of potential for development of mechanisms as you talked about, and thinking about it now, 15 years should be long enough for things like that to come along.

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  20. No, I haven't seen this week's installment yet. In another comment, I agreed, Steampunk is definitely not what they want for this show, and I agree, they're trying more for the Revolutionary War than the Civil War. The uniforms remind me of the Civil War, but the lack of evident steam power and the muzzle-loaded rifles are definitely of the earlier era.


    As for the realism controversy, no one in this thread was trying to ruin anyone's enjoyment of the show, only different desires for foundation and different aesthetics were expressed.

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  21. I think the premise is really excellent - and as everyone has said, there are plenty of complex issues open for exploration in the story.


    Who did it? Why did they do it? Was it intentional? Did it go as planned? These are the back story issues, the fun mysteries that give the ensuing tale its flavor, but not the thematic ones.
    The thematic issues, as alluded to in this thread, are centered around what happens when the power goes out. What happens to society, the infrastructure that supports it and the individuals inside of it? What do us crazy humans do when the controls that keep our complicated systems in place collapse? In broad, societal terms and in individual human terms.


    I think they are going for a revolutionary war vibe, too - but that is strange, all by itself. Electricity came into general use in 1930. The civil war ended in 1865. The revolutionary war ended in 1783. The loss of electricity would really only drop them back to the early 1900s ... a civil war vibe would be more appropriate, on the surface ... but maybe the ongoing exposition will reveal why it fell back so far. Or, as another poster says, that's just the vibe they wanted and so they went with it: creative choice, not a logical one.


    I don't care if stories don't make sense inside our real-world logic. I just care that they make sense inside their own logic, whatever the story establishes it to be. Internal consistency is the only thing I care about, and I care about it a lot. I find my enjoyment of the story diminishes greatly when I lose faith in the storyteller's ability to bring it home in a way that makes sense. I don't have to like what the storyteller decides to do - it's their story - and I rarely think in terms of what they "should have done" - but I do want my investment in time and interest to be paid for with a conclusion that makes sense based on everything they already told me.


    But this is the inherent problem with serial television. A story arc must be open - and needs to be strung along or squeezed shut, depending upon renewal, episodes in a season, etc. Getting a "story" done really requires that the writers know how many episodes they have to tell it. This requires a multi-season commitment and an executive body that will carry a failing show and end a successful one. Ahem.


    Strazynski, the creator of Babylon5 did a smart thing. He got a multi year commitment and wrote a story with a specific arc. It was a brilliant television experience just from that perspective alone.


    So, when creators decide to do something like Revolution (which is a LOT like Lost) or Last Resort, they are taking a big risk in terms of frustrating viewers. When I watch Revolution I see a story struggling to evolve inside of a fairly standard serial formula (a thing that could strangle the best of stories). I hope it makes it, because I really want to see more stories on prime time television, but it needs to find legs soon.


    All that said (my, I do go on) - man, I would LOVE to see a Steampunk show!

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  22. Well said. On your thoughts about where society would drop back to, I think that's very hard to put a number on, if any in fact.


    The reason I think this is that there is still all this modern stuff such as cars and planes and computers and whatnot, all of which are very recent developments in terms of history, and they are still around, only they're in a format that can't be utilized in its usual way - ie. cars drive, planes fly. But there's still plenty of modern materials and mechanisms from those objects that can be used, like aluminum, fiberglass, wires and cable etc, which wasn't around pre 1900s. Not to mention you have modern weapons, politics, thought process that still exist in their own forms


    However I do think that society on a personal level - as in just the people, nothing else - would be back possibly further than the 1900s because they have to begin to work with manual labour - no automation or machinery, and given that we are a pretty lazy first world society at the moment, that would take some doing, and it would be pretty effective at culling the weak from the flock, if that makes sense


    Lots to think about though, thanks for the comments :-)

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  23. The problem with Revolution is two fold. Unlikable characters and incorrect moralities. If this was 15 years after a black out the weapons would long be gone. the chaos right after the blackout would have used up most of those weapons. But yet they seem to be everywhere. Next Steam power or water power! Those should be seen as alternative power sources. There are plenty of streams which can be diverted and water wheels are not that hard to make. There should be one at every village. So that missing makes it very unrealistic too. Now Steam there could be many useful steam powered items found in all major museums. So there is no reason steam powered cars and other devices were not seen. Then there is coal gas which could be used to light cities and other places. So this series is too backward. Technology is everywhere and why it is not being used? Does not make sense.

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  24. disqus_Wb2GjMIEeU17 October 2012 at 06:11

    The first episode was wood in establishing a premise. The second one was OK and now it's getting kinda boring. The same old story we all saw in the first episode. I see little progress so far and that's not enough for me. The characters and their stupidity are remarkably similar to any horror movie character. Bold but stupid. I cannot watch another episode of them wandering in the woods and going nowhere. More progress please.

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  25. Sure a train might be in a museum, but it's not exactly easy to then pick it up and plonk it down on a main railway line. Those things weigh many tonnes, and the same goes for carriages and freight cars. So to me it's fair enough that trains appear to be few and far between
    And because we are in a modern society, steam engines aren't exactly commonplace, and they still have to be made into a workable condition, with the ability to do something. There also has to be people around who know to run and maintain the steam engines. There are many things that have to be taken into account, and that's what this post has largely been about

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  26. There is also a touch European Forest People aesthetic too. An upcoming episode title goes back to something relating to Europe in 1212, so I think the over all aesthetic is vintage/antique US and European Military, but in terms of the Monroe militia, we see something rather colonial/American Civil and Revolutionary war trends...


    Everyone keeps assuming that the way things are happening is "natural" after the black out. I don't we can know that with out knowing what caused it -If a piece of tech that is redirecting/absorbing the electricity elsewhere, or the frequency was changed, how radiation could effect everything. Let alone if other experiments had occurred.


    I agree that in some ways the way a serialized show has to write in smaller increments and with a standard of network approval, it has to be hard to write any show, but I think in that case a mystery format can work well for them.


    Revolution is irritating me because it is taking too long to get these characters in fresh places. It's like each episode resets them back and has them go through all the same issues all over again and it presents a contradiction in terms of it's alleged themes about hope and changing the world from a more loving/romantic youthful perspective.


    It's like Darque had said during his last Revolution discussion on episode 3, it's becoming the misadventures of Charlie and gang, because our [good] characters have yet to really win. Danny is still captive, Rachel is helpless, the whole thing with the train could have been done better and more interestingly IMO, none of the militia have changed their views, Maggie died, and Charlie and Miles can't just be on the same page for a few episodes. Then on top of it we haven't advanced much on the mythology either and the way it's given really drives me nuts.

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  27. I disagree in regards to the weapons...If one knew a black out could occur, then one may prepare to take advantage of it. The idea of the militia seems to pre-date the black out as Monroe already had his meaningful "logo" tattooed to his hand. The way the military base members responded to him during the black out suggests that Monroe already had a militia of sorts in the works.


    Again we do not know what caused the black out, we don't know if a piece of tech could change certain laws of physics. Additionally as revealed in The Plague Dogs, we see the militia went out of their way to "scrap" and dismantle things like steam boats VERY quickly. One of the best ways to cease control is to isolate people (take away things they could use against you) and "divide and conquer". There is a good chance there are people with other vessels, but it seems rare and limited to the Militia of the Monroe Republic area.


    Another facet is that we do not know what the rest of the world is actually like and of there is any place that actually has other tech that could over ride what ever the actual situation is here.

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  28. There are two primary complaints against this show: realism and art direction. Both are well worn. Both are in this article. Both are exhausting this far into a series.

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  29. How do you think they got it in there in the first place? They laid track! Simple physics is needed to keep a steam engine working! I doubt all smart people were killed off in those 15 years!

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  30. They showed Chicago! That place has the most older tech than anywhere else in the world but yet there was none!

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  31. I'm confused by your statement. What do you mean?

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  32. I think you missed his point. He said sure there are steam trains in museums, but how do you get the big bastards onto the track? They weight A LOT! Simple physics says it wouldn't be possible. A train sitting in a museum wouldn't do you a bit of good, aside from totally dismantling it.

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  33. As you said you are tired of arguing about it, but the first chance you get you argue about it. I think you actually really like arguing about it. I think it might just be the highlight of your day. You certainly don't not argue about it. In fact it seems as thought you have you argue gun cocked and loaded waiting for a chance to shoot it.


    You know my thoughts on the realism or lack there of. You also know that we argued over this subject weeks ago. I let it go and am actually somewhat enjoying the show with a grain of salt. But I what I cannot understand is your audacity to come into a comments section and complain when other people have a differing opinion of the show than you do. If there is one person in this world who should get over it, that person is you.


    You cannot expect everyone to come in here and have nothing but rave reviews. We all aren't into the same things here. I said I wasn't going to engage in conversation with you again, but damn you reeled me in with your snide comment.

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  34. Seems like you understand perfectly well how someone would continue arguing a point that he/she was loath to do.

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  35. I'm gonna be honest here. I just don't like your attitude. You have this attitude that everyone who doesn't blindly worship a show like you do should just shut their mouths and leave.

    It's one thing to discuss something with differing opinions, but its another thing to tell people to shut it, and move on. I would even go as far to say that you invite arguing here. I really don't have a problem with the way you like this show. It is you and your mind and opinion. I just have a problem with your actions toward others' opinions of the show.


    You {try to} discount what some of us are saying. When what we are saying has merit to a discussion. It's not as if we are trolling for attention. My god Jimmy had the cajones to write a review of his opinion. And you come here and tell him off for having that opinion? Like I said it would be one thing if it were you feeding a troll or two, but it's not. These are people with actual opinions on a show. I am a person with actual opinions about a show. We would just like not to be told to move on with our opinions. If you don't like it then you don't have to hit the reply button.Trust me I have held my finger a million times on this site. I just couldn't hold it in this thread.

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  36. I'm sorry that you have that impression of my attitude.

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  37. It's not an impression, these are your words:


    The operative words are in bold.

    I" tried of arguing with people about whether dogs attack in packs and what the midwest looks like in the late summer and how far Lowell is from Nobelsville and whether or not 120 miles is sufficient to have a change in weather pattern. That type of discussion for this show needs to stop. Four episodes later you are still pulled out of the story because a plane with no controls and no power drops 30,000 feet and at some point goes into a spin? In the background of a scene? Why? And better yet, how do you watch TV? Let it go or find a new show to watch."


    You seem to think that a differing opinion about something is a not part of a valid discussion, when you are totally wrong in that line of thinking. As I said some of us who watch this show (on a weekly basis) are disappointed about some of the aspects of the show (doesn't mean we hate the show), and we are allowed to bring up our opinions on those things. You are allowed to respond as well, but by responding as you normally do you make your own points invalid to us, the so called "haters".


    Just watch what you write when addressing someone's opinion. You act like we are all just trolls or something, but if you'd look at our avatars and see the stats of some of us you'd see we have been active on this blog for years, and well liked too.

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  38. The first time you talked to me it was because you took a joke the wrong way, and you've assumed the worst since. You just posted a 500-word essay about how much you don't like me. And I took it. I'm sorry you don't like me. I'm sorry that in reposting everything that made you mad about my 3-day-old comment, you skipped the beginning thanking the poster for the article. I stand by most of my opinions but I'm sorry if my manner is offensive to you.

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  39. Exactly, it's the same method as "how would you get it in the museum?" -As you said disassemble and reassemble (= Re-Evolve -->rEvolution)

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  40. No those trains in those museums were placed there under their own power. There was no disassembly needed. So they could easily do the reverse. Laid new track and use its own power to exit the building. maybe some ramps would need to be made but it is very doable but yet it has not been done!

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  41. Mobile steam engines were also used in farm Equipment. like tractors. There is technology everywhere but not any of it is being used!

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  42. Fair enough, that's your opinion. Realism is something that I look for, but I also look past it

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  43. It's a good point you raise there. Why would it have taken them 15 years to get a train working?? It would have made far more sense if it was already working. The lack of steam power on a whole is surprising, but I don't think there's a lot of benefit to be had with steam if you can't put it together with electricity
    The psychological point is also a good one. I suppose if the creators took that element into account, we would end up with characters that no one has a chance of relating to. Please share your own theories if you have them though, you might see it differently

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