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The Vampire Diaries - Episodes 4.01 & 4.02 - Info On New Characters

Jun 30, 2012

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Thanks to The Spoiler Fairy for the heads up.

For episode 4.01, the character Pastor Young is being cast. His daughter April Young is also being cast in a recurring role beginning in episode 4.02. Pastor Young hates vampires, and he threatens Meredith that he will expose her use of vampire blood on her patients and he captures Damon and wants to use him as bait in order to try to capture Stefan, too.

April Young returns to town after her father dies, to attend his funeral.

Connor Owens is also being cast for episode 4.02. He shows Damon a folder of notes he's been keeping and threatens Damon. Connor and Tyler argue over each of them having something that the other wants (knowledge of how a curse is triggered and the location of a particular stone).

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85 comments:

  1. Chalice93June 30, 2012 at 4:26 PM

    Connor and Tyler argue? Guess this answers how long Kalus is going to occupy his body.

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  2. Lissie_BeeJune 30, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    Sounds like Damon has it rough for the first two episodes... nothing he can't handle, I'm sure.

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  3. jensenfan1978June 30, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    Well, how typical. lol We get an antagonist episode one and attend his funeral in episode two. I hope he wasn't one we would like like Sebastian Roche was . Ah well.

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  4. BorednowJune 30, 2012 at 5:01 PM

    I am sorry but this sounds awful.

    Random pointless deaths without consequences? CHECK.
    Mcguffin hunt of the season? Check.(although sorry, writers, YET ANOTHER stone thingy, very uncreative. )

    This sounds worse than S3 so far and it seems that this season, just like third, will falter around with pointless filler episodes till finale and have no direction at all.

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  5. lsbloomJune 30, 2012 at 5:06 PM

    RIP Pastor Young. Guess we don't have to wonder too long about whether or not he'll survive. Ha!

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  6. sansa starkJune 30, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    I thought the moonstone was destroyed though? I wonder if they're using old casting sides.

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  7. sansa starkJune 30, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    Or it's still Klaus arguing as Tyler...

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  8. tatibsblpJune 30, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    I'm not naive, and I know what I'm about to say is 99,99% fake, but I saw an article somewhere saying that Phoebe Tonkin (Faye from The Secret Circle) would play April. It's really fake, isn't it? But I would love it if it happened.

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  9. SpoilerFairyJune 30, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    Well, it appears that at least one old casting side is being used for the part of Connor. The conversation between Tyler and Connor is the same as the first conversation at the following link (sorry about that, folks! - that's why I usually don't spoil shows that I don't watch every week - serves me right): http://www.quotefully.com/tvshow/The+Vampire+Diaries/Tyler+Lockwood/2/

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  10. BorednowJune 30, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    it is fake, although KW did express a wish to transfer her into TVD, considering TSC show died.

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  11. sansa starkJune 30, 2012 at 5:59 PM

    Ah makes sense now! Thanks! :)

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  12. Jimi SturgesJune 30, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    He must be crazy to threaten Damon that should be interesting.

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  13. SpoilerFairyJune 30, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    Nope, it's been determined that the Connor/Tyler argument is actually an old scene between Tyler and Mason. Some of Mason's lines are being used to cast Connor.

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  14. BorednowJune 30, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    Thats frankly not surprising.

    All extra characters end up pointlessly dead without ammounting to ANYTHING.

    All regular characters are revived in various ridiculous death-defying ways again and again and even if they do die, they will either return as vampire or as ghost.

    That's "logic" of TVD for you.

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  15. DenniXJune 30, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    Aw poor Damon,but lol so many spoilers in a so little text xD

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  16. Stephen PageJune 30, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    yes, but it's HOW Paster Young dies that should interest you..

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  17. Stephen PageJune 30, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNKEg02iAEA and guess who snuffs him?

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  18. Bruce_FJune 30, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    - They must be using an old script to cast Connor because that description is straight from season two.
    - Pastor Young's main purpose must be to set up the introduction of the recurring character, April.
    - The pastor's threat against Meredith is an empty one. He can't report her for using vampire blood without exposing the existence of vampires to the general public. It's a bluff.
    If the pastor was really serious about busting Meredith all he would have to do is report her to the state medical board for failing to disclose to anyone that her patient had a cerebral hemorrhage. Meredith was completely negligent in her care of Elena.

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  19. SpoilerFairyJune 30, 2012 at 9:39 PM

    Yes, an old script was used for at least one of Connor's scenes. My bad :)

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  20. katherine_fanJuly 1, 2012 at 12:52 AM

    Speaking of Mason,we need more werewolves on TVD.Not hybrids,werewolves!

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  21. Angel WillisJuly 1, 2012 at 1:40 AM

    This sounds really shitty to be honest. And I'm assuming that Klaus is still in Tyler's body in these two episodes. Great.

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  22. KatHaleJuly 1, 2012 at 2:05 AM

    VD has reached a whole new level.It kills its characters even before they're cast...

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  23. kiaraAJuly 1, 2012 at 7:10 PM

    LOL - funny

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  24. kiaraAJuly 1, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    Than I'm sorry for every idiot that crosses his way

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  25. kiaraAJuly 1, 2012 at 7:14 PM

    My money is on Elena. She is very protective to those she loves. If someone threatens her boys ...

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  26. kiaraAJuly 1, 2012 at 7:19 PM

    The new season hasn't even started yet and
    you're complaining about everything already.


    Besides:
    Didn't you say you wouldn't be back for
    S4?!?

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  27. kiaraAJuly 1, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    More werewolves in MF? We already have
    enough supernatural beings in town. Soon half of town population will be
    supernatural (vampires, werewolves, witches, succubus, … What's next? Fish-monsters?)


    Besides: the new werewolves would put
    the vampire population in danger.

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  28. BorednowJuly 1, 2012 at 8:07 PM

    Too bad there's not enough character development to actually see that in Elena?

    All that we know of Elena's character is that steffie is apparently the only reason she even bothers living or doing anything.

    Its 2 seasons too late to try to make Elena interesting.

    The above plot would have been perfect for turning her at the end of S1, with start of S2 being the whole pastor stuff, when Elena was still interesting and not a mary sue, when we still had a small amount of vamps and hunters/council still seemed competent and threatening. back then the "witch hunt" type of scenario would have been awesome. Add in Katherine making mess with elena's face in town and you would have had perfect S2 start helping to flash-out elena's character,

    Now, sorry but elena is nothing but a perfect example of how NOT to write your main character. An abomination that makes every "equality now" activist want to facepalm at utter sexism and one-dimensionality of her "character". Someone who is written around her love interests instead of being an interesting independent, relatable human being that we could CARE ABOUT and feel for when she turns.

    now? sorry, nope.

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  29. kiaraAJuly 1, 2012 at 9:36 PM

    I agree that they waited too long to turn her. But S1 would be too soon. There was too much story to tell. The past of the Brothers, Katerina, Caroline, Bonnie, Tyler, Klaus and the originals, the sacrifice (that was actually good, they just overdid it with Klaus) … It was all great. It would be impossible to put it all in one season. It would be too much for one episode. People would lose track and interest. On some places they wasted too much time. And if they would just kill Klaus, Elena could have turned by end of S2.



    Besides: How many times I told you? You don't like it? Don't watch it!!!
    You said you wouldn't be back for S4. Why did you changed your mind?

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  30. BorednowJuly 1, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    Let's cut him some slack. Its not like the past "badguys" used logic. Hell, even main characters do not.

    If everyone adhered to logic and reason of real world, the last two seasons would not have even happened.

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  31. BorednowJuly 1, 2012 at 9:59 PM

    The turning of Elena would only work if its the first post-vickie turning we get to explore deeply. So for it to work it should have happened before Caroline's. Turning her AFTER that already has no emotional impact because we know everything about the proccess.

    turning her as S1 finale cliffhanger as it is now, would have been perfect. S2 added absolutely nothing to her character so why delay it? Its not like we learned something awesome about her, its not like we ever got a chance to see her normal life or hobbies.

    I do agree that putting in all of that in one season would be hard. Hence why I disagreed with the very notion of adding klaus into S2 already. It should have been purely Katherine-seasons, with her as primary antagonist and Elena's FOIL. Adding Klaus and shoving Katherine aside pretty much destroyed her as character. What is the purpose of Katherine now? Nothing. She has been a pointless plot device since the end of "Masquerade".

    Rushing into Klaus plotline pretty much killed the show and its characters.

    Sacrifice actually had decent execution(minus placing Elena into sexist role of damsel in distress YET AGAIN). The sacrifice ITSELF that is, not the awful buildup that destroyed whatever was left interesting about Elena. The problem with Sacrifice plotline is that it had absolutely no consequences at all. it happened. And? Nothing changed. Elena did not react. Life did not change. Status quo remained.

    As it is, S2 should have focused on developing Elena and using Katherine as main badguy and S3 could have been all about Elena returning semi-human from the dead and the whole Klaus sacrifice mess.

    As it stands now, we have a very competent and interesting S1. Very half-baked S2 with half of it being decent and half of it being mediocre and then we have a completely and utterly filler-filler S3. With the finale of which, S2 and S3 are made entirely pointless.

    One of the first and major laws of storyline is that story should NOT loop on itself. If you make your character return to same narrative devices and ideas again and again, then you have ran out of ideas and should not even write further. And that is essentially the problem with the whole show right now. Except that in S2 it would still be fix-able. Now its just far too late for it. What's worse, even writers themselves seem to have no idea absolutely on what to do with the plot nor remember what those characters should be about.

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  32. SpoilerFairyJuly 1, 2012 at 10:12 PM

    Where did you hear "a new vampire will kill him"? I didn't read or hear anything that specifically says how Pastor Young dies.

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  33. Julia WalkerJuly 1, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    Have you watched season four??

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  34. kiaraAJuly 1, 2012 at 11:14 PM

    "We know everything about the process"? It's an individual process. Everyone experiences it on a different level. For sample: It was different for Caroline than it will be for Elena. Caroline had no idea what was happening to her. All this new emotions, instinct and senses were just crushing down on her and she had no idea what is going on or how to deal with it. Elena knows what is happening to her, what to expect from the first hours and days of her new life. Besides I still believe (of course I can only speak for myself) that Elena suspected that she has vampire blood in her system (when she woke up in the hospital she was healed) and when she was drowning she knew what would or could happen. And she didn't die with the thought that her best friend is killing her.



    Do you know how many we would have missed if she would have turned in S1? Katerinas games (I just love to see them together. They are so alike and jet so different. Nina is brilliant), the entire Klaus-originals-sacrifice story, Ty and Caroline. If she would turn before Klaus finds her we would have had just to deal with him killing the entire town for loosing another doppelganger. Turning Caroline and Tyler would be pointless. Remember: 1. The doppelganger had to be human; 2. Katerina killed (and turned) Caroline as massage (and she probably wanted to deliver her to Klaus as sacrifice); 3. She made Ty kill to turn him into a werewolf just so she could deliver him to Klaus.

    So if Elena would have turned before Klaus, all of this would be pointless.


    You got a point. S1 was Katerina and tomb season. S2 could be only Katerina and S3 Klaus. But then: you think they had enough storytelling about Katerina for a whole season? Doubtful. They could have stretched her games over a whole season without even mentioning Klaus, the curse or the sacrifice once. But that would be boring. The storytelling would be too slow. People would lose interest.

    I disagree about Katerina having no point. If we could just get rid of Klaus (finally, once and for all time), she could be useful to bring some chaos to MF. She hates Elena, because both brothers hate her and love Elena. Elena is her competition and she hates competition. And now Elena is a vampire. Means, she is here forever. Katerina probably hoped, if Elena stays human, the brothers will lose interest (after 10-15 years max, when she gets older), or she will choose a human boy to create a family of her own. Now she turned. She will stay around the brothers forever. That was the last thing Katerina wanted.



    Elena returning human? You can't die, turn into a vampire and then one day wake up as human again. If it would be possible Stefan would be the first to try it. Or are you talking about the books? We cleared, even before the show premiered S1, that it's whole different than the books. Who would watch the show if it would be just a tv version of the books? But wait for S4 it can still happen. But first they have to get rid of Klaus. Than we need Katerinas games and the showdown, so Elena dies as vampire (like in the books) and the end of S4 could be, how she returns as angel before becoming human again (or almost human).

    But you probably meant: S1 tells about the brothers and Elena. Katerina shows up, Elena dies and turns. S2 shows Elena as vampire, the fight with Katerina and Elenas death, probably even her returning as angel. In S3 she becomes human again and Klaus shows up, trying to sacrifice her.

    Is that what you had in mind? Except a small change in the Klaus part it's pretty much the books honey. Trust me, not many would keep on watching the show all this years if it would be like the books.



    True. A story should not loop on itself. But humans mostly do. Most humans make the same mistakes over and over again. Never happened to you? Besides: history repeats itself.

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  35. lsbloomJuly 2, 2012 at 12:25 AM

    No? It says it in the spoiler.

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  36. lsbloomJuly 2, 2012 at 12:47 AM

    I'm guessing the point is to use him as forerunner to introduce April and explain her motivation for being anti-vampire (or crappy doctor, who knows but a good malpractice suit would be a hilarious turn of events). Plus, shows that have body counts the size of TVD's need to have cannon fodder.


    I agree that we could use some more human characters, but I have no problem with a magical/supernatural show not treating death as the end of a character. We are talking about vampires, so there is inherently a death "loophole."

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  37. Janey LourencoJuly 2, 2012 at 2:23 AM

    I hope the episodes sounds more interesting than the spoilers. That should teach me for reading them lol

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  38. katherine_fanJuly 2, 2012 at 2:31 AM

    I didn't mean for them to be from MF,I meant some weres need to visit MF and cause some trouble and maybe give us some were mythology!And honestly,this season 'everyone was safe' so I hope next season the characters will be in actual danger!

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  39. kiaraAJuly 2, 2012 at 4:00 AM

    "Cause some trouble"? More trouble is the last thing the town needs.

    More were mythology? Well, we already know that the wolves were here before the vampires. But where did they come from? True, that could be interesting. But: is it important for the story?

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  40. Andrea MurrayJuly 2, 2012 at 2:45 PM

    Ah no! So unexcited for season 4. I think this show is seriously slipping. Please make it better again.

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  41. Andrea MurrayJuly 2, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    Wish they would take that risk but they won't it won't be Elena. She will remain untouched

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  42. CarinaJuly 2, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    i just wanted to ask the same .. you said you will quit TVD after Season 3 like 100 times.. and yet.. you still are here

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  43. kiaraAJuly 2, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    I believe that everyone, even Elena the saint, is capable of killing. Especially if you want to protect those you love.
    And I also believe, that it would be interesting to explore Elenas dark side. For a while. It would show us a new side of her. I mean, Caroline had her problems at the beginning and even Stefan loses control sometimes. A risk? Sure. But it could pay out. When they (in Buffy S4) replaced Oz with Tara it was risky. But it worked.

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  44. kiaraAJuly 2, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    I NEVER said, I wouldn't be back for S4 of TVD.

    I just told him/her that he/she said he won't be back for S4. And he is back. Complaining again all the time. And the season hasn't even started jet.

    Or maybe you meant my comment from months ago, when I said, that I wouldn't watch a show I don't like (like he/she does). And I wouldn't! But I like this show. Sure, it's not perfect. Who or what is?

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  45. kiaraAJuly 2, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    But it's
    true that I told him/her about 100 times to stop watching if he/she doesn't
    like the show

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  46. BorednowJuly 2, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    There should always be limits. Lines you do not cross.

    The tangibility and danger of DEATH is something that drives suspense of genre shows. It raises the stakes, makes us jump at fear for our favorite characters, gives us emotional response of character reactions to death.

    Take that way and you take away believability of the show.You stop caring what happens to those characters.

    That's where Heroes failed. That's where Supernatural failed. That's where TVD failed too..

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  47. Despoina SanJuly 2, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    People stop already about the "pointless death". it's not pointless, they're doing it to introduce april. she's gonna be the one who'll stick around.
    Random spoiler: julie said that damon may be adopted

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  48. lsbloomJuly 2, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    I think that's an arbitrary line that you've created.


    Death still plays a huge dramatic role and having a ghost come back for a 30-sec scene doesn't undermine the fact that you've lost a character that maybe you loved.

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  49. BorednowJuly 2, 2012 at 7:49 PM

    And April will most likely be as useful and as interesting as Meredith....ooops.

    Also the "adopted" part was a foiler. It has been confirmed fake.

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  50. BorednowJuly 2, 2012 at 7:51 PM

    Thats where we will have to agree to disagree, I guess.

    I feel nothing when character gets killed in TVD. I did in S1. IN S2 I would keep PRAYING that they would not get revived through some ridiculous means. by S3 there was just nothing. Alaric died? Oh well, he will come back as a ghost.


    Managing to make DEATHS work and impact you is the exact reason why shows like Once Upon a Time or Buffy worked so well atmospherically.

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  51. Jan van EsJuly 2, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    OMG!!!! Absolutely AWESOME post!! So cannot wait to see it! I'm imagining if we'll get pictures like Rebekah or Klaus when we play The Vampire Diaries: Get Sucked In on Facebook! Because there was a blank picture with Elijah. I hope they'll rectify that mistake by adding Joseph and Claire as a picture for Klaus and Rebekah.


    Anywho, getting back to this post, I love that Pastor Young threatenes Meredith and kidnaps Damon and wants to use him as bait to try and capture Stefan too.


    And LOVE the Conner Owens part. I SO want Tom Welling and Laura Vandervoort as the picks for actor and actress. I know Tom is too old but still, when I read Conner's personality I instantly thought Tom.

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  52. katherine_fanJuly 2, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    Actually,I'm with Bored Now on this one!'Death plays a dramatic role' u say and I agree but that wasn't the case in season 3!Whose death played a dramatic role this season (other than Ric's which desn't count b/c MD had to go)?Esther's?Klaus's?Or Elena's who this season was the safest resident in MF?Witches had unlimited powers and their body switching trick was one of their reasons s3 sucked!

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  53. katherine_fanJuly 2, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    I didn't mind seeing Ric's or Anna's ghost b/c I loved them both!But Rose was beyond annoying and didn't serve any purpose at all,Esther was in her body then in Rebekah's,then back in her own and even when she did die she couldn't shut the f*ck up,the whole body switching trick got old and absurd,witches had unlimited power and no morals and the worst thing of all: everyone was safe!Honestly,when I saw that Klaus didn't die and was in Tyler's body I was so pissed off!Screaming 'f*ck u,this is bullsh*t' at my screen pissed off!

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  54. katherine_fanJuly 2, 2012 at 8:38 PM

    The writers can make it relavant to the story,but truth be told,I'm not optimistic about it since 'the genesis of the Originals' (which was sth I was really looking forward to seeing a year ago) was one of the worst plots ever!
    And yes!I wanna more trouble!I wish TVD werewolves were more powerful than what we 've been told and I would love to see a war between weres,hybrids and vampires!And between you and me?Were our characters in trouble this season?Elena was the safest person in town!Who died?Elena,Tyler,Klaus,Caroline,Rebekah,basically everyone except Ric and Not Now Dana made it to season 4!

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  55. lsbloomJuly 2, 2012 at 8:53 PM

    It's hard to take the only main character death out of the mix and then say that death had no emotional impact in S3. I thought the scene where they dessicated Klaus had a lot of drama and pain to it of friendship and trust and betrayal. When Jeremy got shot had a huge impact even if Bonnie brought him back. I don't think you need to get rid of character to achieve it. I like my characters, I don't want them to leave. And bringing them back for a scene or two doesn't fill that void. I still miss Rose, and all the emotions of when she died came back when she entered the hotel room for almost no time at all as a ghost.

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  56. lsbloomJuly 2, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    I like my characters. I don't want them to die. And if they do die, I am happy to get to see them again for brief sentimental moments later in a series.


    I'm surprised you weren't betrayed when the huntsman reoccurred in FTL. Angel came back from Hell? Buffy even came back. They resurrected Buffy's mom? There were several ghost/hallucination episodes. How many times did Darla die between Buffy and Angel? I think you are looking for the reasons that you don't like TVD or Supernatural and you've grabbed onto Elena's character development and the lack of female characters and an arbitrary death is the end line as the reasons. But none of those are problems for me because I like the shows. There comes a point at which you need to cut your losses. If you are still annoyed that they didn't make the plot decision you would have two seasons later, walk away.

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  57. kiaraAJuly 2, 2012 at 9:29 PM

    A war between wolves and vampires? I don't think so. It wouldn't be fair. Don't forget, the wolves are more powerful that vampires, but just in one night. Fool moon. In every other night (and day) the vampires are more powerful. It wouldn't be a fair fight.

    Vampires and hybrids? Better. The hybrids have their powers all the time. And their bite is lethal to vampires, which makes is more risky.

    Between us? This season only Elena was really safe. Cause Klaus needed her alive. All the others were in danger. Klaus wouldn't mind kill the entire town. I don't get why only Ric died either. I mean sure: Damon and Stefan were save too. Because the red line of the story is Elena between the boys. But the others (Jeremy, Bonnie, Caroline, Matt, Ty) could be killed. Jer is the only family Elena has left and Matt is the only human (beside Jer), so they sort of represent the normal life outside the vampire madness. Like the other side of the window, you know. Bonnie is the only witch (and between us. I wouldn't be sorry if she dies. She's a bitch and is getting on my nerves). They must have plans for Ty and Caroline. If not, I don't get why they didn't kill them.

    But still: we had a high body count this season. Thanks to Stefan and Klaus.

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  58. katherine_fanJuly 2, 2012 at 9:57 PM

    I'm not saying that characters need to die to make the show more dramatic! I'm saying that nobody was an actual threat to Team MF except for Mikael and Evilaric.Did anyone really think that they were gonna kill Elijah,Klaus or Rebekah?Or that Esther was gonna be successful in killing the originals or Elena?Nobody important died but I didn't even get the vibe that people were in danger!I agree that Jeremy 's death was intense and Rose's death still makes me cry when I watch the scene on yt,but when she showed up again she didn't offer anything new to the story.I don't have any problem with the ghosts!It's a sci-fi drama,of course there are gonna be ghosts!But every character needs to serve a purpose when they show up (living,dead or undead).The people I have problem with are the witches!Esther could come back from the dead and inhabit bodies just like that,Bonnie found a loop hole to everything...the witches had no rules no limits no morals!It's Esther's ghost and the 100 dead witches' ghosts I have a problem with!But can you tell me that when Klaus was dessicated was as intense or devastating as Jenna's death was?When Jenna died,I flipped!And what made it even more devastating was that I thought I would never be able to see her again.Did I feel like that about anyone in season 3?No.B/c Bonnie had a magical way out about everything!When Evilaric killed Klaus was a thrilling scene!What happened after that?Bonnie found a way to spare Klaus so the latter scene canceled any emotional impact the previous scene had on me.

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  59. katherine_fanJuly 2, 2012 at 10:13 PM

    ''Klaus wouldn't mind killing the entire town''-But he didn't,did he?And even if he had,he would have killed people we had never seen before or cared if they died (see Dana and Chad)!Stefan was a more serious threat than Klaus (who we were told was the ''baddest vamp around'').And yes,the body count was pretty high,but again,they were random people!Klaus was not a threat to anyone of the main characters.

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  60. kiaraAJuly 3, 2012 at 12:37 AM

    Klaus WAS a threat. And still is.

    True, he never killed one of the main characters. And he didn't wipe out the entire town. But only (at least I believe so and I can only speak for myself) cause he knew, that Elena will always do what he wants, as long as her family and friends are safe. He probably feared that she would kill herself if he kills everyone she knows and loves. I mean, if she has nothing more to lose … Or maybe not. I doubt that he knows enough about friendship, love and compassion. But on the other side: wasn't this the way he controlled her all the time? With the fear, what he would do to her loved once?

    The producers and writers didn't kill the main characters because they need them for next season.

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  61. SashaJuly 3, 2012 at 3:08 AM

    Hope this April character doesn't stick around. This show really doesn't need to emulate True Blood and try to juggle all those storylines...

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  62. Samantha HemsworthJuly 3, 2012 at 4:45 AM

    let me guess, Elena is gonna kill him

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  63. Stavros TopkasJuly 3, 2012 at 10:52 AM

    I have heard that Phoebe Tonkin will play April's role....Hope this is true,because Kevin Williamson said that,too

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  64. BorednowJuly 3, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    especially considering its already completely incompetent at handling the existing cast OR writing a singular storyline season.

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  65. Katarzyna SkopJuly 4, 2012 at 10:08 PM

    I disagree. I think Damon's ability to "handle" things will be severely compromised this season as he's just been sort of dumped and also lost his one and only (best) friend. Watched him DIE, twice, to be exact. I don't think he'll be handling anything well any time soon.

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  66. Katarzyna SkopJuly 4, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    I just hope that April will be an interesting character. But my biggest hope for s4 is for Meredith to stick around and become Damon's friend. He needs a friend, now more than ever. And the only person - besides Elena - that he deeply cared about is dead. I suspect he might be in a worse shape than he'd let anyone assume.

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  67. Bruce_FJuly 4, 2012 at 10:51 PM

    Realistically, Damon needs a fresh start somewhere else other than Mystic Falls.

    Damon originally came to town for Katherine and that turned out to be a big disappointment for him, then he stayed for Elena and to help his brother. Now, his brother is doing fine and the girl he loved chose someone else. On top of that, Damon's only friend died. Elena's friends and family barely tolerate him. He has no one. Except for making sure Elena will be okay in the short term, there is nothing left for Damon in Mystic Falls. His entire life has come to a dead end in that town.

    I realize that since Damon is a main character the show has to manufacture a reason for him to stick around and to that end I would also like to see Damon and Meredith develop some sort of a friendship or a brother/sister thing. I would also like to see Damon take on a big brother role for Jeremy. Maybe then Jeremy wouldn't be such a tool all the time.

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  68. Lissie_BeeJuly 5, 2012 at 12:25 AM

    I don't know, I think that's how Damon copes. He's not the type to get in touch with his feelings, and despite the heartbreak that would affect anyone else, I think we'll see a Damon full of snark and fire. I'm not saying it's healthy, but I think he'll come back with a force.

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  69. Katarzyna SkopJuly 5, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    Realistically, everyone needs to move out from Mystic Falls as it's - apparently - the centre of supernatural happenings and everybody just dies there. Not a safe place to live. ;) But yeah, I agree with you. Right now Damon has nothing. He can't even delude himself any longer that Elena might fall for him - she flat out told him that it's Stefan for her and that this won't change. And yeah about Alaric too - the only person Damon could truly count for, at all times. Right now he's well and truly alone. That's why I'm counting on Meredith - she'd be the perfect person to sort of fill Alaric's role of Damon's guardian/conscience. And I like the idea of Damon playing a big brother/guardian role for Jeremy; I think it would actually play out well.

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  70. Bruce_FJuly 5, 2012 at 8:43 PM

    It will be interesting to see what it will take for Damon and Meredith to be on friendly terms with each other. I don't think it will be an easy process.

    Meredith has never seemed to like or trust Damon and Damon is probably really pissed at Meredith for not telling anyone (even Elena) how serious her injury really was. More than that, he's probably even more pissed that Meredith didn't tell anyone (again, not even Elena) that she used the vampire blood she got from Damon to help Elena heal.

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  71. ihatepeopleJuly 14, 2012 at 2:29 AM

    The dying but not really thing can be an issue but I can run with some aspects of it due to the who magical element. What I have a bigger issue with is how quickly their "unstoppable" vampire-vampire killers and original witch are taken down. Apparently "unstoppable" doesn't hold the same definition for the writers that it does in the dictionary. Now we're supposed to believe a human "efficient" hunter with dirt of our vamps is supposed to be the next big bad. How about actually making a big bad that is truly hard to kill. Klaus has become a permanent resident so he is no longer the big bad.

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  72. ihatepeopleJuly 14, 2012 at 2:38 AM

    Yes and no. I actually see something between what you and Katarzyna are saying. I think he'll be very affected by losing his friend, Elena rejecting him and Elena dying because Stefan didn't have the backbone to save her. If he was oing to handle things well they wouldn't say he's planning revenge on Matt for kidnapping her and going off the road into the water. Some of his feelings will likely be hidden in booze but we'll see it elsewhere thru anger out bursts. He may not be moping in his bedroom but he won't be completely in denial of his feelings. He's come too far for that.

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  73. ihatepeopleJuly 14, 2012 at 2:59 AM

    Elena defintiely has a dark side despite how hard the writers try to make her out to be moralistic and compassionate. We saw part of her selfishness, deviousness, her lack of honesty, hypocritical & wishy washiness, teasing passion and jealousy this past season. These along with her good girl traits will be magnified. I think the pastor will die at her hands because she won't listen to anyone when Damon gets captured and she'll try to rescue him. It will be his blood that completes her transition. We can see it coming. Why care about Damon now? She just told him as he was about to die that she was letting him go.

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  74. ihatepeopleJuly 14, 2012 at 3:00 AM

    Ding ding ding ding! You got it. :)

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  75. ihatepeopleJuly 14, 2012 at 3:06 AM

    Despite Jeremy thinking Damon is a dick he does listen when he tells him to do something because he knows Damon has no problem following thru with a threat. Just like a parent should.

    As for Meredith, maximum an acquaintance. I do NOT want her as a love interest. Her character is boring. She's definitely no replacement for Ric but she seemed to give him the benefit of the doubt because Ric saw something in him.

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  76. ihatepeopleJuly 14, 2012 at 3:08 AM

    You mean the blood that she "jacked" from him? Yeah, not going to make him happy.

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  77. ihatepeopleJuly 14, 2012 at 3:11 AM

    THANK YOU! I could buy perhaps Damon being illegitimate which would explain his father's disgust of him but adopted would be assinine.

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  78. ihatepeopleJuly 14, 2012 at 3:13 AM

    I'd actually like to see more info on Klaus' werewolf side too.

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  79. ihatepeopleJuly 14, 2012 at 3:16 AM

    Relevant to the stroy...lack of relevancy didn't stop them from introducing Bonnie's mom & Jamie or even the hybrids which they've really done squat with. I say why the Hell not? Throw in the werewolves.

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  80. kiaraAJuly 14, 2012 at 8:08 AM

    Everyone has a dark side. Even Elena. Let's just hope she doesn't turn out like Katerina (lying, killing, cheating, sleeping with every guy on the show …).

    She is selfish. She isn't ready to let one of the brothers go. Which also makes her weak, since she can't make up her mind. But she is also selfless. She was ready (more than once) to sacrifice herself for her loved once.
    She also has to lie and cheat. But she does it only to help and protect the others.

    She is not as bad as many others. But she does have a dark side. We all do. I think it will be interesting. But I don't want her to be like Katerina.
    If the pastor is putting her friends (especially her boys) in danger, I have no doubt she will kill him. But I think, she will already complete the transition by then. They are in the hospital right? Many blood bags just lying around. Damon will need one minute to get one for her.

    She maybe said she'll let him go. But she still loved him. Maybe, now that she'll remember, that she actually met him first, and that he told her he loved her long ago, she can still change her mind.

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  81. kiaraAJuly 14, 2012 at 8:16 AM

    "Throw in the werewolves"? Fine by me. But before we do that, we need to bleed Klaus dry (like he tried with Elena). Wolves are stronger than vampires. In a fool moon night. And their bites are lethal to vampires. So we need his blood to heal possible bites.

    I would love to see Klaus (the big, almighty, undefeatable …) chained to a table or chair and watch him be drained of every drop of blood he has. Hey! What you do to others …

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  82. ihatepeopleJuly 14, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    Elena is definitely not Katherine but as her doppleganger she has some of the same traits. The writers keep claiming how selfless and compassionate she is. True but they also showed us last season her bad traits. The point as you've mentioned is that everyone has good and bad but it gets annoying when the writers push that some characters are just so honorable no matter what they do while others are unworthy no matter what they do. Since everything is magniefied as a vampire it will be interesting to see her internal battle. Now she's pretty damn stubborn which is a trait that can be good and bad. This is why I see her leaving the hospital before transitioning. She deosnt want to turn and will put the decision off as long as possible. I see her either going home or to the boarding house with Stef and Caroline watching over her while Damon gets stuck doing some dirty work to keep the lynch mob off the trail which causes him to get captured.

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  83. ihatepeopleJuly 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

    Haha good idea. Better get some blood now while he's chained in the couffin. They'll have to undesicate him first. As for the big bad one upping him, don't hold your breath. Given who their claiming as the next big bad I don't see a human besting an original.

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  84. kiaraAJuly 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    "It gets annoying when the writers push that some characters are just so honorable no matter what they do" That is exactly, what made Stefan so interesting. In S1 we learned the good side of him, but we also got a peek to his dark side. In S3 we saw the ripper. And what he is capable of (after he was free from Klaus). Brighter the light, darker the darkness.

    Elenas strongest characteristics are the love for her family and the desire to protect them (she was more than once willing to sacrifice herself for them). As human she was weak and incapable to hurt someone (S1 she cried after the brothers killed a vampire that tried to kill her), although she got stronger thru the seasons. As vampire she got faster and stronger and her desire to protect her loved once will make her extremely dangerous. She will stop at nothing to keep them safe.

    She is also incapable of letting the brothers go. I know what she said to Damon. But I think, it was just sort of goodbye. She was sure, he would die soon. When he was lying dying in her arms (S2) she kissed him. But I doubt, that she is truly ready to let either of the brothers go. She loves them both and she wants them both at her side. That is a prove of her selfishness. Now, that she is a vampire, it will get stronger. I'm afraid, her jealousy will make her snap every time another girl lays an eye on either of the brothers.

    And of course she has many traits common with Katerina. She is a Petrova, it's in her blood. If we could check the entire bloodline I bet that 70-80% of all female descendent of Katerina were sleeping with vampires or werewolves, probably even turned. We could ask Katerina. She was keeping an eye on her bloodline all the time. Just waiting for the next doppelgänger to deliver her to Klaus.

    I still can't decide how I see her.

    On one side I see her broken. She didn't want to be a vampire, so I think, she will be frustrated, hating everyone. I see her running away, refusing to drink to complete the transition. I see her at her parents grave, where the brothers find her (in S1 she was there to think and find some peace). I see her packing up and living town.

    On the other side I see her way stronger. She leaves with the brothers, getting rid of all evidence of what happened. Then I see her staying with the brothers, learning everything and getting used to her new life. Then they go on a hunt. In case, Becca lives that long.

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  85. kiaraAJuly 14, 2012 at 10:34 PM

    "As for the big bad one upping him, don't hold your breath. Given who their claiming as the next big bad I don't see a human besting an original." ? ? ?

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