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Supernatural - Sera Gamble Steps Down & Taps New Co-Showrunner

Apr 5, 2012

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There is a change afoot at the helm of the CW’s veteran drama series Supernatural. Sera Gamble, who has been with the show since the beginning, serving as co-showrunner alongside Robert Singer for the past two seasons, will be stepping down. Word is that she opted not to renew her contract to focus on development. Jeremy Carver, executive producer/co-showrunner of Syfy’s Being Human, is joining Supernatural as an executive producer and will co-run the series with Singer next season. The CW has not made any formal renewal decisions yet but Supernatural is one of the network’s stronger ratings performers and is fully expected to return in the fall. This marks Carver’s return to Supernatural where he served as a co-producer during the 2009-10 season before leaving to co-run with his wife Anna Fricke Syfy’s Being Human, which the two wrote together based on the British show. UTA-repped Carver will keep his executive producer credit on Being Human, which will now be run solo by Fricke, making them a rare couple of writer-producers showrunning two series at the same time. Supernatural creator Eric Kripke, who stepped down as the day-to-day showrunner after the show’s sixth season in 2010 when Gamble and Singer took over, remains an executive consultant.

Source: Deadline
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189 comments:

  1. klutzy_girlApril 5, 2012 at 12:09 AM

    Oh, this is unexpected. I don't blame her after the unnecessary vitriol hurled her way. Will the fans bash Singer like they did her? I doubt it.

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  2. CourtneyApril 5, 2012 at 12:10 AM

    Hear that? That's the sound of a million fangirls cheering.

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  3. eb00089April 5, 2012 at 12:11 AM

    Shame. The last 2 seasons have been pathetic though.

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  4. SalyihaApril 5, 2012 at 12:16 AM

    wow, didn't see that coming! I can understand her though XD

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  5. Wilson CrawfordApril 5, 2012 at 12:17 AM

    Interesting... Very interesting... 
    I kinda think that Robert SInger and Jeremy Carver (at least together) would be able to handle things better, but I guess we will see next season?

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  6. David FischerApril 5, 2012 at 12:17 AM

    I never understand the hate Gamble gets. You don't think all her episodes are good? It's not like Kripke didn't have quite a few stinkers under his belt.

    I'm glad Jeremy Carver is back. He and Robert Singer will be great.

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  7. David FischerApril 5, 2012 at 12:19 AM

    Its the basic fangirl mentality of hating any women remotely connected with the boys. They conveniently forget the crappy episodes under Kripke's reign.

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  8. AylithApril 5, 2012 at 12:21 AM

    I think the quality of the show has gone drastically downhill over the past few years, but I don't blame Gamble for that.  I like her influence in several regards, most notably with concern to consent issues.  I just have to remember how Gamble had to argue against Ruby hosting a conscious woman in S4 since it would mean that the host would be raped in the Sam/Ruby scenes.  Gamble also (re)introduced several interesting women, though not many of them have been able to stick around.  Lisa, where are you?  Oh, I miss Lisa!  And Gwen!

    But otherwise, there have been a lot of problems with the show.  Poor plotting, very flat writing, Dean's jerkish and floundering characterization, the build up over two and a half years of Sam's hell trauma not being properly dealt with, and the Leviathans not being any threat at all this year?  As showrunner, that was on Gamble.  And Singer too, if he really was co-showrunner.  For some reason, I'd thought Gamble alone was running the show.  

    We'll see how it goes in S8 and where Carver takes it.  I still love these characters, but some of them (Dean in particular) aren't very likable anymore.  I'd love to see that turned around.

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  9. Judy SmithApril 5, 2012 at 12:21 AM

    Never understood the hate directed her way.  I loved the last two seasons.  As has been pointed out Kripke wasn't perfect either. 

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  10. comicfangirlApril 5, 2012 at 12:24 AM

    Jeremy Carver is back!! YESSS! Great to have Robert Singer and Jeremy Carver at the helm of season 8!

     Thanks to whom ever sold his soul to Crowley for that! :) :)

    I hope Sera stays as a writer for the show, she might not have been the showrunner Supernatural needed but damn she wrote some great episodes for the show! Thanks Sera!

    Great to hear that Eric still stays Creative Consultant!

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  11. Wilson CrawfordApril 5, 2012 at 12:27 AM

    THIS. ALL of this! 
    You summed it up very well.

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  12. ShatteredOneApril 5, 2012 at 12:28 AM

    Couldn't have said it better myself.

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  13. JMC00April 5, 2012 at 12:29 AM

    YES! They will get this show back to glory. Season 9 may happen with these two running it.

    I also have had an inkling this was happening since Singer has started doing the producer previews

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  14. Alexandra FröhlichApril 5, 2012 at 12:30 AM

    Finally. I am happy about it. I don´t "hate" her or anything, but in my eyes she was completly overchallenged with the show. And I never bashed her because she was a woman! I zinged her because for me, season 7 was/is simple not good. So much potential, and she wasted the 40 minutes so often with stuff.......I don´t know, she simple couldn´t tell a story.
    I hope Jeremy and Bob are able to sort this little mess out, with the hopefull next season. But also respect to Sera who tried her best. All the best to the girl :)

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  15. Elena WonderlandApril 5, 2012 at 12:30 AM

    AWESOME!!!About time actually...I am pretty sure this means we're heading towards season 8 with high hopes now :D

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  16. David FischerApril 5, 2012 at 12:31 AM

    I think the quality dipped in season 5, so I don't really blame Gamble for anything. Besides, I'm glad she was able to stop the destruction of Sam's character that has been underway since season 4. 

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  17. Elena WonderlandApril 5, 2012 at 12:33 AM

    Haha :P Your first 2 sentences remind of the Snowhite and the Huntsman trailer!!!

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  18. Bruce_FApril 5, 2012 at 12:34 AM

    I have been less than satisfied with seasons 6 & 7 so I'm okay with this.  I'm looking forward to seeing what Singer & Carver do as a team.

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  19. Nur Z. YoungApril 5, 2012 at 12:41 AM

    Well, that was short lived. I guess two years of having a woman as showrunner was enough for them :/ I like Sera and I hope she stays on and continues to write for the show. I like her episodes, I like how she writes the Winchesters and I like that she dared bring up issues that men are usually too afraid of bringing up, or just insensitive to them. Her staying on would mean more diverse story lines, her leaving would mean a lot of white boy humor. Just saying.

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  20. V_sApril 5, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    Like the other two, I completely agree with all of this. Granted, I haven't heard any negatives specifically aimed at Gamble (and I was also under the impression that she was the sole showrunner), but the show as a whole has been weaker for quite awhile. Hopefully Carver can turn that around some with his return.

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  21. lsbloomApril 5, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    This isn't a belated April Fools joke is it?

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  22. skeptical_inquirerApril 5, 2012 at 12:52 AM

    Oh thank God.  She was a terrible show runner.  Please could we knock it off with the Sera is hated because she's a woman nonsense.  I liked the Hunger Games with a female lead who talked to other women and the book was written by a woman.  I don't have to like someone just because they have 2 X chromosomes.  

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  23. Jimi SturgesApril 5, 2012 at 12:58 AM

    Yeah that was unexpected But good to know there is going to be another season

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  24. Jacqueline MichaelApril 5, 2012 at 12:59 AM

    I liked her. I really do. She's been with SPN since S1 but many fans seems to forget that. I think she's done well with SPN 6 & 7. I hope she will be on another show whereby she will be more appreciated. But I'm sure some fans are ecstatic to put a guy on the pedestal. For all Sera haters, I hope you guys are freaking happy now. I have some colorful words in my head right now bcos I'm angry. But there is no point. I just don't understand the 'tall poppy syndrome' among some women. Arghhh!!! I'm pissed! 

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  25. klutzy_girlApril 5, 2012 at 12:59 AM

    So, this has made realize season 8 is all but official now, so yay! I can't wait for the actual renewal.

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  26. C PApril 5, 2012 at 1:00 AM

    I don't have anything against Sera, but that I haven't enjoyed the last two seasons like the previous ones. I think the overall plot of the last two seasons weren't very balanced and/or well plotted out. Like how there was too much comedy/stand-alones, not enough main plot, making for not enough story with the main villains or trouble (Eve, Dick, Sam's broken wall). 

    I missed Carver writing episodes for Supernatural, always enjoyed his episodes and I enjoy Being Human, so I'll be looking forward to seeing what he brings to the table for Supernatural. 

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  27. percysownerApril 5, 2012 at 1:01 AM

     I agree with much of this  In addition to hoping for an improvement for the writing for Dean, I also hope that there is and actual focus on Sam as opposed to being pretty wallpaper, not showing his emotional reactions to trauma and then insta-healing him.  I don't blame SG for all of this because many of my problems go back to seasons 4 and 5, but I do feel this season has not jelled yet.  OTOH, I felt that way about season six until the end when it all came together.

    I like Jeremy Carver and I'm glad to see him return.  I wish SG all the success and luck in the world.

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  28. Lissie_BeeApril 5, 2012 at 1:04 AM

    Wow, I didn't see that coming.  I hope she didn't back down because of all the angry fans, though I wouldn't blame her if she did.  The lady couldn't seem to catch a break.  I wonder how it'll affect things next season?  (I'm saying that with confidence haha)

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  29. AylithApril 5, 2012 at 1:06 AM

    I didn't think of that!  You're absolutely right though, this means S8 is in the bag!  :D

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  30. skeptical_inquirerApril 5, 2012 at 1:06 AM

     I want more women behind and in front of the camera but not her.  After all, I don't support a woman politician who votes for and does things I can't stand. 

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  31. skeptical_inquirerApril 5, 2012 at 1:07 AM

     I haven't forgotten Swan Song.  I haven't forgiven kripke for that. 

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  32. doublevisionqstApril 5, 2012 at 1:10 AM

    Yes, please.

    I just want to be able to enjoy this show again as much as I did before. If this is what it takes, so be it.

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  33. skeptical_inquirerApril 5, 2012 at 1:10 AM

     Give me a break.  A lot of non-fan critics pointed out problems with the storytelling and overall plotting under her reign.  Sometimes, a writer isn't a good producer. 

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  34. AmyApril 5, 2012 at 1:10 AM

    Why are people trying to make all the anti-Sera vibes a gender thing? I'm a woman, (nost of) my favorite authors are women, and I have nothing but respect and encouragment for women carving their way through male-dominated fields.

    Now, having said that, I think Gamble was a terrible show runner (and it has nothing to do with her ovaries). Can she write an awesome individual episode? Heck yes she can. Does that mean she can orchestrate the kind of flowing, meticulous over-arching storylines we came to expect under Kripke? Apparently not. The past two years have stuttered along, crippled by poor (and often harmful) character development, unfocused plotlines that went nowhere, and themes that never translated from the storyboard room to the screen.

    I'm not saying that the show is going to automatically flip back to the excellence of the earlier seasons, but I have hope that it's at least possible for the first time since season 6 concluded.

    And I'd just like to say thank you, Sera, for having the strength to recognize these weaknesses and for directing herself back to the things she does best. Best of luck to her and the show.

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  35. AylithApril 5, 2012 at 1:15 AM

    I think it's pretty harmful and overreaching to claim that this is "basic fangirl mentality", especially considering how many of us fangirls on the forum LOVE the women of Supernatural, both on and offscreen.  Lisa, Tessa, Meg, Gwen, Mary, Jo, and Ellen are all among my favorite characters and SPN has had some truly wonderful single episode women as well, such as Tamara, Cassie, Kat from Asylum, and so on.  Dean/Lisa is my favorite pairing on the show and I hate how little we got of them together.

    I'm also just as critical of Kripke as I am of Gamble.  I think that the quality of the show started to dip significantly in season five, while Kripke was still the man in charge.  At this point, I don't want to play the blame game, I just want a good and strong season eight.

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  36. prpleightApril 5, 2012 at 1:17 AM

    I'm not inclined to cheer or boo.   The only specific element, in terms of over all story, that I have ever had a strong negative reaction to is the Campbells.  An a huge part of my disappointment was in how she set my expectations in interviews leading up to the beginning of that season.   (I'm indifferent with regard to the Leviathans.) Past that my criticisms have been more specific to each episode and I've had likes and dislikes in every season so far.

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  37. eb00089April 5, 2012 at 1:17 AM

    ...you're insane if you think the quality DIPPED in Season 5. Hammer Of The Gods? Oh, mama.

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  38. eb00089April 5, 2012 at 1:18 AM

    From a Sera hater: Yep, I'm happy now :D

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  39. eb00089April 5, 2012 at 1:19 AM

    The problem with Gamble was simple.

    Kripke gave us villains such as Azazel, Lucifer, Lillith.

    Gamble gave us....Dick.

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  40. rehabberApril 5, 2012 at 1:19 AM

     Swan Song is my favorite ep, there are many that have come close, Death's Door for one, but that time in the cemetery with Baby doing her part to save the world and Dean just saying I'm here, I not going to leave you.  For me nothing has been as good.

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  41. Wilson CrawfordApril 5, 2012 at 1:20 AM

    OH, and I figure this is as good a time as any to talk about the dream I had about Supernatural about a week ago... It was weird because I dreamed an entire episode... (I really can't remember specifics at all unfortunately) but I remember it was a completely different plot line (after the leviathans) and the whole episode was a standalone, no overall mytharc...and then it turned out it was the series finale. And I remember having a thought like "well, that was really a let down for a series finale...who makes the finale a freakin' standalone?" 

    Just thought I'd share.

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  42. prpleightApril 5, 2012 at 1:20 AM

    Ah, Lisa.  (I was downright perturbed by Lisa and Ben's permanent exit.)  My impression, when Gamble took over was that Kripke was co-showrunner in the sense of "feel free to call if you need anything"

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  43. SaraApril 5, 2012 at 1:20 AM

    I'm sorry but I'm glad. I really liked Carver but Sera just do not do a very good job as showrunner IMO. The past two seasons seem to have no direction, the characterization has gone way downhill and the brothers keep on being separated emotionally and physically. She just wasn't cutting it for me. And yes as showrunner that falls on her shoulders. The last 2 seasons have been a mess.

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  44. lsbloomApril 5, 2012 at 1:21 AM

    She wrote some good episodes, I just don't think she had a clear vision for the show and when she took over she didn't reassure fans that she knew what she was doing, so she became the scapegoat for everything bad. Plus, I really loved Kripke. I needed someone to win me over when he left, and that she most certainly did not. 

    Sorry she is out of a job. Maybe she can just write for a bit?

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  45. JazminApril 5, 2012 at 1:21 AM

    in my opinion, this show is over,  and Jared and Jensen need to move on, but if the show continues at least for one more season, let's hope Carver be able to resurrect it, and give it a good ending, he and his wife have been doing a wonderful job with BH adaptation, so let's have faith.

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  46. rehabberApril 5, 2012 at 1:22 AM

     I agree, I have loved most of Sera's writing and hope she keeps doing that.

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  47. AylithApril 5, 2012 at 1:22 AM

    HotG is one of my least favorite episodes.  I thought it was radically offensive.  :/  Often funny and I liked the Dean and Gabriel scene and Kali was awesome, but the treatment of the non-Judeo-Christian gods was awful and very disrespectful.

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  48. lsbloomApril 5, 2012 at 1:22 AM

    Well said.

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  49. brunnaApril 5, 2012 at 1:23 AM

    I don't care about this hate talk, all I see on this news is that, the season is practically over, she is stepping down and someone else is stepping in, wish means = new season, YAY!!!
    And come on, the woman kept our show on the air...

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  50. Wilson CrawfordApril 5, 2012 at 1:23 AM

    Really I think the problem with season 5 was pretty much "Oh sh**... our story is finally wrapping up into the finale, but we can't really afford what we've been setting up..." and also "are we going to be renewed even though the 5-season arc is over???" and they had that weird spot in the middle of the season where standalones were like 3-4 in a row and that antichrist kid was never used... and then it sort've fizzled out at the end (even though I actually like the finale...)

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  51. eb00089April 5, 2012 at 1:24 AM

    That's because Mark Pellegrino was such a badass.

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  52. Alexandra FröhlichApril 5, 2012 at 1:27 AM

     Well said! Agree on everything with you here.

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  53. KatApril 5, 2012 at 1:28 AM

    What I got from this article was a season 8 is almost a sure thing. All is well and good!

    What will happen (and I'm not reading comments) is that a lot of hate will pour out and blame her for everything that they don't like about the show...the same thing that plagued Eric and the same bs that will plague those taking over. Eric had say so in all the past seasons including 6 & 7 so Sera is not the sole person to blame if you didn't like something. There are a slew of writers and again Eric had sway over what went down, he didn't just abandoned his child. But it is so much easier blaming The Powers That Be.

    Regardless a season 8 is likely and I will still be watching...even if they have characters that annoy me, or plot lines that aren't tied up nice and neat with a frilly pink ribbon by the episodes end, or easy outs that haven't had time to be explored properly because it's a 44 minute show, or if something doesn't happen quickly enough, or if they leave a few riddles unanswered. I have to be intrigued first and must hand it to Supernatural that it has kept me intrigued for a few seasons. Short of a musical episode I'll still be watching in season 8.

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  54. Two SidesApril 5, 2012 at 1:35 AM

    Quite unexpected! Well, at least we'll manage to end the season with some characters still alive! :P

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  55. AmyApril 5, 2012 at 1:38 AM

    Hmm...a lot of "white boy humor," as opposed to the season-long Dick joke we've gotten under Sera? Really?

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  56. skeptical_inquirerApril 5, 2012 at 1:47 AM

     Sera herself once said that she liked to hang out and be one of the guys.  I'd actually be cool with someone who could & would reign in some of the frat boy humor but she's not the one. 

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  57. C PApril 5, 2012 at 1:47 AM

    If he does anything with it like he and his wife did for Being Human (action and family stuff) I think the season has great potential. 

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  58. C PApril 5, 2012 at 1:49 AM

    Well at least it's possible to resurrect some if there is not enough. Issues can be undone.  

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  59. ZoeFApril 5, 2012 at 1:49 AM

    I'm shocked. But glad as well, hoping Carver will inject some of the old majic back in - he sure got the broters when he wrote for them. Sera was a great writer and I hope they keep her as a writer somehow. But as a showrunner, her soap opera background got loose.

    I'm female, and a feminist, but I'm glad the masculine feel may - may - come back, I missed it. Though I doubt that was Sera's fault, because Singer clearly has been influencing things for a while. Stop the fan service, the subtexts need to go "sub" again, and get some freaking continuity back.

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  60. Shimmerinstars77April 5, 2012 at 1:54 AM

    Sera made some mistakes but she didn't  deserve the crap she gotfrom this fandom  as Kripke was to blame for the most damge done this show With the disaster Season 4 was and especially 5 (losing a million fans a quarter of this show fandom in Season 4 alone) with the loss of another half a million in Season 5 and by mid Season 6 Supernatural had lost half of its fandom because Kripke lost sight of what this show was all about the brothers.

    I had been hoping Robert Singer would be put in charge with Gamble taking a back seat. Especially after reading in a article here at Spoilertv where Singer  wants to go for less angst in Season 8 and back to hunting things and saving people.Thank God someone sees that after seasons of waiting

     It would be great if Singer ran it with Carver a good writer which we seriously need And maybe Singer was talking about plans for Season 8  as he was already  in charge at that time and we can  finally get back to this show being the journey of Sam and Dean.

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  61. ravenclawwitApril 5, 2012 at 1:57 AM

    The whole, "people only hate Sera because she's a woman" thing is just crap. First of all I've seen very few people who seem to legitimately hate her. They just don't like how this season has gone and they're not alone. Most of the professional TV reviewers have been scratching their heads about this season too, so it's not like it's just confined to fangirls.

    I myself don't blame her entirely for all the ills of the show. I quite liked most of season six, and while 7 has been a disappointment, realistically it can’t be all her fault. She’s the showrunner but she also has a
    co-showrunner (Robert Singer) and a bunch of writers, all of whom must have signed off on this season’s fail-y “back to basics” experiment, and the weird, aimless, wandering that has been the plot this season. And she has written some quality episodes.

    But, season 7 has been kind of odd and not so awesome. So maybe it is time for her to move on. Maybe she is just a way better episode writer than a showrunner. It’d be cool if she could just step down as
    showrunner but still write for the show. But at least they’re replacing her with someone who knows the show and the characters as well as she does, instead of some n00b.

    Hopefully, next season ALL the writers will realize that “two bros in a car driving aimlessly around the U.S.” just doesn’t work anymore.

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  62. skeptical_inquirerApril 5, 2012 at 2:08 AM

     I think that a showrunner just has to shoulder more of the responsibility because they're the ones in charge just like I blame the CEO of a company when it does a crap job of cleaning up an oil spill even though his employees are the ones who created the physical mess.  You don't get to bow out of all the good stuff (Power and being able to edit what the writers hand out and being the one to steer the ship) without the bad (being blamed if said ship flounders).  It's actually anti-feminist to treat her like a child who can't possibly be responsible for anything. 

    That said, I do blame for Singer for not stepping up and dealing with problems with continuity, pacing and telling his co-producer that certain things can't fly since I think he does have more experience as a producer.  And some of the writers are just plain bad.  That said, something needed to be changed and not just a tweak or two. 

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  63. ZoeFApril 5, 2012 at 2:11 AM

    Maybe some of the writers can be dumped too? Keep the new guy Robbie Thompson, Edlund, Gamble, Singer and give Dabb & Loflin probation for 2 unimportant scripts. Dump all others. Please.

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  64. V_sApril 5, 2012 at 2:11 AM

    What did you dislike about Swan Song?

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  65. SaraApril 5, 2012 at 2:12 AM

    Completely agree. That's just part of being the showrunner. When crappy episodes come out, the showrunner takes the blame. Criticism is part of the job and everything was approved by her. The last two seasons have been a disaster for me and yes I do put a lot of the blame on Sera because she's driving the car here.

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  66. V_sApril 5, 2012 at 2:12 AM

    What vitriol was that? I may or may not agree with it, but I don't frequent Supernatural-specific forums enough to hear any of this alleged bashing, so I'm wondering what I missed...

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  67. V_sApril 5, 2012 at 2:18 AM

    But it made sense as far as the whole "belief = power" thing that Supernatural's mythology apparently supports. Tons of people believe in the devil or a devil figure. More people probably believe in that devil figure than they believe in those other gods, therefore the devil is stronger according to Supernatural's mythos.

    The only truly disrespectful part was having the peaceful gods being portrayed as eating humans. (Of course all that said, HotG wasn't an episode I particularly cared for either.)

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  68. NikkiApril 5, 2012 at 2:18 AM

     At that time SPN did lose some good writers.
    It's good with the new showrunner in all, but SPN do need some fresh writers.
    Adam Glass is not my fav.

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  69. JasApril 5, 2012 at 2:21 AM

    She's not insane for thinking that way, it just happens to be a different opinion than yours.

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  70. NikkiApril 5, 2012 at 2:29 AM

     Yes, because if we go in with the same not so good writers I won't see a difference.
    Or maybe Jeremy can be like Micheal Jordan and make everybody good around him.lol

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  71. KatAdams03April 5, 2012 at 2:29 AM

    Jeremy Carver is back!! Yay!! I don't know how I feel about Sera Gamble stepping down. And I'm glad Eric Kripke is staying around!



     In some ways, I'm excited to see where Jeremy Carver is going to take the show.  He wrote my favorite episodes ever "Mystery Spot" and "Point of No Return."  (Please, bring ADAM back!! Or at least let Sam and Dean save him!) 



    But Sera wrote some great episodes and she has been there since the beginning. I haven't agree with a lot she has done, but the last two seasons haven't been the best or the worst.  I don't know.  I guess a part of me is worried because "the devil you know," right?  And the second half of the sixth season was good and there have been some great episodes in these seasons.  So, it hasn't been all bad. 



    I'm really shocked by this news. I did not expected this at all. (But I'm still hoping they will sign Jared and Jensen on as Executive Producers. I think in interviews they have shown some great insight into their characters and they know them so well after seven almost eight years.  Except for the whole reset thing, I don't know if they could successfully do that or if the audience would like that.)



    I want the brothers together and the Impala back.  And I'm hoping that's what they will focus on.  I would love for some supporting characters to add to the show.  



    Jeremy Carver has been away for a while.  But he has been a showrunner before, so he should know the drill.  And he did write some great episodes.  But the show has changed so much. And while it does need some fresh air, I worried about Sam and Dean.  Dean has been sad for so long and Sam, well, has been all over the place.  I miss both of them and I want focus on both Sam and Dean!  



    Jeremy Carver did write "Free to Be You and Me," so he can balance an episode.



     But then again he did write Dean and Castiel excessively in several episodes like "Free to Be You and Me" and "In the Beginning." And that makes me a little nervous about Sam being left out again.  I want Castiel back on the show, but not at the expense of Sam.  (But then again that could just be me reading to many comments nasty comments about this.) But he did write "A Very Supernatural Christmas." And he knows the Winchesters and hopefully, they won't create a reason to separate the brothers again.   So, I'm just worrying for worry sake.  



    I'm nervous about this.  I guess this means we're getting an eighth season.  And maybe we'll get a clear vision for the season and some characters for the brothers to connect to again and to each other.  I wonder how he is going to take the series.

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  72. ZoeFApril 5, 2012 at 2:36 AM

    Exactly! Many of the problems are in the writing, like Sam's disappearing story and Dean's inconsistent characterization from those problem writers. (I swear sometimes the only depth comes from Jensen and Jared's acting choices.)

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  73. percysownerApril 5, 2012 at 2:37 AM

     Oh, how nice to find someone else who doesn't like season four and five.  Sometimes I feel like I'm all alone in that.   I do thing SG did the best she could with a wrapped up arc and trying to restart a new one.  She failed in some ways, but I thought she got a lot more grief than she deserved.

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  74. skeptical_inquirerApril 5, 2012 at 2:37 AM

    A lot of it just boils down to quality control.  It's as dumb as accusing people of hating America when they refused to buy American cars during a time when American cars were, yes, kind of crappy.  Now that the quality has improved, American cars are doing better, especially Ford.  It all boils down to creating a good product instead of blaming consumers for not being "loyal" and "complaining too much" and being "Toyota fangirls." 

    I want villains worth being scared of.  I want continuity like the ghosts being gone once you get rid of all their body, period.  I want them to stop killing characters just for kicks.  I want there to be an absolute stop to people insulting Dean because the writers think it's hilarious for some stupid reason. 

    and stop doing crapola like souless Sam and the Amy arc because I now have no interest in the brotherly relationship anymore because of those two things.  Those two things made me sick of them even hunting together.

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  75. percysownerApril 5, 2012 at 2:38 AM

     I'd dump Dabb & Loflin as well.  I just don't think they get it.

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  76. eb00089April 5, 2012 at 2:42 AM

    1) True enough, it is my opinion, however, that the original poster is insane.
    2) The original poster's name is David. Why would you call her a 'she'? That's insulting...

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  77. JasApril 5, 2012 at 2:48 AM

    Oh, wow, touchy. I'm sorry, I didn't look at the commenters name. Jeez.

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  78. AylithApril 5, 2012 at 2:48 AM

    That falls apart with Kali, though.  Kali is a goddess worshipped by a huge number of people and one of the major figures in Hinduism.  She was the only one who actually managed to strike a blow against Lucifer, but she was taken out waaaaay too easily for someone who is as powerful as Kali should have been.  Unless they were going the true American Gods route and the old gods in HotG were only the American versions of gods who are far more powerful, back in their countries of origin.

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  79. BoxManLockeApril 5, 2012 at 2:50 AM

    At least she won't have to put up with horribly sexist insults from insane psychos anymore. I hope she'll find a show where the fandom is less brain dead.

    As for Carver, he's an awesome writer and he's got experience, so what's not to like.

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  80. AylithApril 5, 2012 at 2:50 AM

    I agree with all of this, though I thought RoboSam had a lot of potential and started out very strong.  The thing with Amy could have been really good too, but it just kind of drifted away without being resolved.  :(

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  81. skeptical_inquirerApril 5, 2012 at 2:58 AM

     I want it to be OK for both brothers to have friends other than each other.  It's too depressing otherwise.

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  82. skeptical_inquirerApril 5, 2012 at 3:02 AM

     All Dean did was drive the car and get his face smashed.  That's so deflating.  It would've been nice and symmetrical for Dean to have overcome Michael as well.  Instead, we get Adam shoving him out of the story and after that, Kripke saying Dean's big lesson was to learn to love Sam more, which makes me roll my damn eyes.  I would never have stuck with the show if the only contribution to the finale Dean was going to make was being the chauffeur.

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  83. skeptical_inquirerApril 5, 2012 at 3:03 AM

     It just seemed more about Kripke's issues than something that fit the story. 

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  84. Tee TagApril 5, 2012 at 3:09 AM

    You're not alone in disliking seasons 4 & 5. While there are many individual episodes in each season that I liked, I didn't like either season as a whole. I absolutely hated the way they maligned Sam's character, and they could have told the story without the estrangement and animosity between the brothers. Plus I never liked the angel story-line.

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  85. KatAdams03April 5, 2012 at 3:17 AM

    Yeah, the show has gotten so depressing!!! I would love for some supporting cast to come in.  And hoping we can get pass this "if you meet a Winchester, you have six weeks to live" crap.  I want both brothers having friends who are good and okay with the other brother.  Other shows do it all the time.  It doesn't have to be this one brother only or no one. 

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  86. BoxManLockeApril 5, 2012 at 3:18 AM

    Same here. I thought season 4 started well but then completely fell apart, and season 5's complete and utter crappyness is a result of that.

    Carver is in a much better position to take over compared to the crapfest Kripke gave to Sera.

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  87. skeptical_inquirerApril 5, 2012 at 3:30 AM

    I miss Ellen, Rufus and Jo got a lot better in Season Five so she could come back as well.  I think there was a missed opportunity with that pastor their father knew and there was that entire town that knew about demons . . . While not a fan of Lisa and Ben, I wouldn't have ended it like that but just had a respectful mutual parting. 

    There's no point for either brother to live if they can't have more than what they have now and seemingly doom others to death.  They might as well drive off the Grand Canyon and plummet to their deaths now.

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  88. DahneApril 5, 2012 at 3:32 AM

    Millions of comments about how Sera was single handedly ruining the show.  Trust me, if you missed it you were the lucky one.

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  89. DahneApril 5, 2012 at 3:35 AM

    If this had been released over the weekend, I would have thought it was another April Fools' joke.  As it is, I am of two minds about this.  I will thoroughly enjoy NOT hearing people complain incessantly that Sera was ruining the show.  I think Sera did a good job, I loved RoboSam, and some things people complained about were Kripke's doing anyway.  What I thoroughly dislike about this is that many people are going to interpret it as their complaining took Sera down and I can't see that helping out the fandom any.  People already gripe enough about this show.

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  90. DahneApril 5, 2012 at 3:37 AM

    People also conveniently forgot that Kripke was still a huge part in the overarching plan of Supernatural.  You can't tell me that he didn't OK RoboSam and the structure of season 6.

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  91. Folie-lexApril 5, 2012 at 3:47 AM

    Eric wasn't perfect, but he had a plan.
    Sera's storytelling always had problems (and this was true even when she was just writing for the show. Her best episodes are the ones she hasn't written alone).
    Having her helm whole seasons when she can hardly put an episode in proper order is the issue here. Yes she knows the characters and yes she has a knack of thinking up good moments, but tends to lose coherency over the bigger picture.

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  92. DahneApril 5, 2012 at 3:52 AM

    My least favorite season is 5, although the last half of season 4 is right up with it.  I don't think you are as alone as you think.  Personally, I think the Supernatural fandom always needs someone to blame and Sera made a nice scapegoat.  My guess is that things would have still been bitter, although not quite as much, if Kripke had stuck around another year.

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  93. Folie-lexApril 5, 2012 at 3:53 AM

    Exactly!!! And it's not like the show hasn't had amazing female writers.
    Cathryn Humpries? Raelle Tucker?Amazing writers and if I may say so, better than Sera.
     

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  94. David FischerApril 5, 2012 at 4:27 AM

    Dean was the main character the past 3 seasons, I'm fine with having Sam matter again at the moment.

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  95. David FischerApril 5, 2012 at 4:29 AM

    LOL. I don't care about you making a mistake, I'm more annoyed at the random guy getting all bent out of shape on my behalf. 

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  96. David FischerApril 5, 2012 at 4:31 AM

    Agreed/ After the Cambells were killed off the show got much better. I think the only problems with the writing after that were some of the Robo!Sam and keeping Castiel around after season 5 (Does anything pose a threat to our biys with an Angel in their corner?). But with Cas fans bitch about him whether he's there or not.

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  97. carson_leighApril 5, 2012 at 4:33 AM

    This means Season 8! Yay!

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  98. David FischerApril 5, 2012 at 4:33 AM

    Kripke also gave us Bugs, Ghost Ship episode, New!Meg, Bella, and Ruby. The hero-worship of Kripke has reached critical mass. 

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  99. Ally7April 5, 2012 at 4:33 AM

    That and whorshipping things that Eric did that they hated when they first saw it. Just because Eric is gone, every he did was ''perfect''....

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  100. C PApril 5, 2012 at 5:04 AM

    Exactly my thoughts.

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  101. SuePoApril 5, 2012 at 5:12 AM

    And Soulless Sam was actually Singer's idea. I actually hated RoboSam, so the purpose for that whole plotline was lost on me. I just think Sera's direction (or in interviews -- misdirection) wasn't what the audience expected. This was a cool little horror show and suddenly it went noir? Why? I understand trying to go a different direction after the apocalypse was averted, but I don;t think that was the right one. This was never supposed to be an angsty little soap. Yes, it was about family and the trials and tribulations within, but it was also about hunting and monsters and gore and imagination and I think Sera lost sight of that. I'm not sure Singer is a good leader here either. I think he was more of a mentor whose job was to keep Kripke's imagination reigned in. From what I've seen of Carver and his writing and his work on Being Human, he's got that spark Kripke did and maybe season 8 can go back to being that fun little horror show I loved and not get bogged down by so much emotional baggage. I'm not saying go back to season 1, I'm saying find a path that's new and exciting, yet still true to the concept Kripke created. See, I don't ask much. :)

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  102. V_sApril 5, 2012 at 5:14 AM

    But Kali is only believed in by Hindus. The devil is believed in by Christians, Muslims, Jews, pagans, Luciferian Satanists, etc., and on top of that, religions like Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, etc., often believe in entities that are basically the devil in everything but name.

    Just the believers of Christianity or Islam alone outnumber the believers of Hinduism. Put all of the religions that believe in the devil together, and they significantly outweigh that number that believes in Kali. So if number of souls that believe in you equals power amount, the devil would have way more power than Kali, making that scene make sense even for Kali.

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  103. C PApril 5, 2012 at 5:16 AM

    Yeah. I don't care for those writers either. Or much for the new ones. I think the new ones just don't know enough about SPN or got the wrong view on it.

    I like the writers who've been around for longer. They truly understand through experience. Ben makes great dramas in my opinion, Sera did good as an episode writer,  Kripke made great finales. 

    Carver wrote some of my favorite episodes. I didn't care much for a couple "stand-alone" episodes he did, re: "Family Remains" but in my opinion he rocks at drama/action, friendship/family stuff and main-arc stories. He wrote "Dream A Little Dream of Me, Mystery Spot, In The Beginning, Death Takes A Holiday, Changing Channels, Point Of No Return" to name a few. All episodes I loved. 

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  104. SuePoApril 5, 2012 at 5:17 AM

    You don't have to be a "Sera hater" to realize she's a better writer than show runner. She's written some amazing scripts, but the overall running of the show was obviously more than she could handle and her ideas (noir horror anyone?) just didn't work. I hope she continues to write. I think she does a fantastic job with the characters in her scripts, I just want a better balance between the action/horror and emotional baggage. These guys need a win once in a while.

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  105. C PApril 5, 2012 at 5:21 AM

    Yeah, there needs to be hope for a better future. Not just one bad thing after another for the rest of their lives. 

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  106. skeptical_inquirerApril 5, 2012 at 5:31 AM

     I just think it's funny how souless Sam is Sera's idea until nobody likes it and suddenly it's Singer's idea.  I don't think so. 

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  107. SuePoApril 5, 2012 at 5:36 AM

    If anyone is interested in the episodes Jeremy Carver has written for SPN: Sin City, A Very Supernatural Christmas, Mystery Spot, Long Distance Caller, In the Beginning, Death Takes a Holiday, Family Remains, The Rapture, Free to Be You and Me, Changing Channels, Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid, Point of No Return. Of course Sera Gamble wrote quite a few excellent episodes herself. I just believe Carver can conceptualize a story arc better and carry it through. So I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do with season 8.

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  108. skeptical_inquirerApril 5, 2012 at 5:42 AM

    Do you protect Shonda Rimes' honor and scold the writers snarking on Grey's Anatomy in Changing Channels?  Do you claim that Twilight is a great work of art on par with Shakespeare?  Women can produce mediocrities as well.

    I'm not pretending Kripke is perfect either.  I don't plan on seeing anything else he makes since he has problems with keeping his attention on something then blowing it up literally when he tires of it. 

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  109. C PApril 5, 2012 at 5:44 AM

    He worked on "Dream a Little Dream of Me" too. :)

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  110. DahneApril 5, 2012 at 5:57 AM

    Not fair unless you list Sera's episodes too:  Dead in the Water, Faith, Nightmare, Salvation, Bloodlust, Crossroad Blues, Houses of the Holy, Heart, All Hell Breaks Loose part 1, The Kids are Alright, Fresh Blood, Dream a Little Dream of Me, Jus in Bello, Time is On My Side, Are You There God? It's Me Dean Winchester, I Know What You Did Last Summer, It's a Terrible Life, When the Levee Breaks, Good God Y'All, The Song Remains the Same, 2 Minutes to Midnight, Exile on Main St., Appointment in Samarra, Let It Bleed, Meet the New Boss, Death's Door, and The Born-Again Identity

    In my list of top 30 and worst 25 episodes, Sera Gamble has written a full 10 of my favorite episodes and only 2 that hit my worst list.  Jeremy Carver has 4 on my best list and 3 on my worst.  Of course, none of this says how either are as a show runner since writing is vastly different but I would argue that Sera knows the characters better - at least in writing them.

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  111. C PApril 5, 2012 at 6:03 AM

    I think Sera's good at writing. I'm going off the fact I really like how Jeremy writes the drama and stories. I'm not just basing my opinions about him on the SPN episodes he wrote but also on Being Human, which he and his wife have been running for 2 seasons. He and his wife really made me love the characters- there is a close family/friendship feel between the roommates, and there is plenty of action on Being Human/ main storyline. I'm hoping Carver brings that to SPN. The family-ness and plot. 

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  112. yahoo-SGM3FI43O3GZPSUQ7MEWKXEU5QApril 5, 2012 at 6:18 AM

    I can't and won't say that everything Kripke did was perfect, but I do/did like MOST of his stuff.  I actually loved seasons 4 and 5, though I seem to be in minority here.  I also loved 1-3, and parts of 7.  Very very little of 6 though...  I love Sam, but I didn't mind the Turning-Bad arc he had in 4.  I /DID/ cringe and hate the brother-on-brother violence, but to me it was more good drama then bad writing.  *shrugs* 

    I have to count myself amongst those that are glad that SG is stepping down.  She wrote a few good episodes.  Beyond that though, I hate the direction she's taken the show in.  A lot of it has felt forced and unnatural.  I love, love, love Being Human, and I remember back when Carver was part of spn, so I'm thrilled that he's coming back!  Saying he is..

    Is this actual confirmation that he's said Yes to coming back if there's a season 8, or is this just SG saying that she's asked Carver if he would and wants to pass the buck to him?

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  113. CyanaTApril 5, 2012 at 6:21 AM

    Actually "Soulless Sam" was Singer's idea and he actually wanted to keep Sam without his soul most of or all of S6. I loved Soulless Sam,too, Daphne. 

    But with Sera stepping down I like the idea of Jeremy Carver taking the reins.

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  114. CyanaTApril 5, 2012 at 6:30 AM

    I think SG and Cathryn Humphries wrote co- wrote DALDOM;  if/when Ringer gets cancelled I hope SPN can entice Humhries to come back but *not* Charmelo/Snyder.

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  115. C PApril 5, 2012 at 6:40 AM

    Yeah DALDOM was SG's. Got Carver and Cathryn confused. 

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  116. CyanaTApril 5, 2012 at 6:43 AM

    Misha Collins had a contract as a "regular" through S6 - courtesy of Dawn Ostroff I've read. So SG inherited the character and had to find ways to use Castiel. I agree about objecting to the show still using Cas as a fix-everything character (7.17). 

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  117. C PApril 5, 2012 at 6:44 AM

    It sounds like he said yes to it. 

    I liked Season 4 and 5 too.

    Yeap, Being Human's great. :D I began watching it because of Carver and own the first Season. Best Syfy show, and one of my fav shows in general. I like the action and friendship. Dark drama too.  

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  118. CyanaTApril 5, 2012 at 6:57 AM

    I really liked DALDOM. SG & CH made a good writing team. It was Bobby Centric, but still well balanced characterizations and appropriate reactions from Sam and Dean. I even liked Bela in DALDOM. 

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  119. isleofskyeApril 5, 2012 at 7:22 AM

    I was very surprised to read this when I switched on the computer.
    I have mixed feelings about it.

    I'm not exactly sure what  a show-runner's duties entail, but I can't believe that only she had complete control over every single thing regarding the show.
    You know how it is, when something is a great sucess, everyone wants to share in it, but when you need someone to blame, it's usually one sole person that bears the brunt.

    I feel that in this case, poor Sera is the one that's been voted as the sacrifical lamb, and with her resignation is the one charged with bearing the brunt of any negativity that the fans had towards the show.

    Not every episode or plot can be perfect, or appeal to every single person who is watching the show.
    Lot's of Kripte's episodes were under par too, only he like Wheldon and others has achieved  "icon" status, and in the eyes of many can do no wrong.
    His seasons  four and five are the most painful for me to watch; for I hated the gradual distrust and misunderstanding that grew between the brothers, after all the love and sacrifice of the first three seasons.

    I'm also tired of hearing how season six was so awful.
    After the two previous seasons, it was a breath of fresh air.
    There was a mystery running through it, and it evolved in a perfectly logical manner and was interesting right to the last episode.
    It also had some terrific episodes:-Family Matters, Caged Heat, Appointment at Sammara,  just to name a few.

    I also enjoyed the different relationship between Sam and Dean. It forced both the actors to change their way of relating to each other for some episodes, and I found that interesting.
    Then there was a logical reason why Sam treated his brother as he did. The poor guy had no soul.
    That was something I could accept.
    It wasn't the heart-breaking angst of the previous two seasons.

    As for season seven, I believe the biggest problem has been the lack of the Leviathen story-line, as there have been some good episodes otherwise.

    Having said all that, I believe change is good.
    Sometimes one can get bogged down without even realising it, and a new hand on the wheel can bring in a breath of bresh air, especially to an older series such as SPN.

    The general consensus is that the show will be picked up for next year. Let's see if the new showrunners will please the fans better than Sera, but I'll believe that when I see it! . :)

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  120. shell sullivanApril 5, 2012 at 7:29 AM

    Agreed, 100%. I don't in any way dislike Sera. I love her as a writer for the show, and I don't think she did a horrible job, but I prefer the way the show went before she took over. I would like to see the show TRULY return to more of what it originally was: two brothers fighting the big bad together and taking care of each other.

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  121. pinkphoenix1985April 5, 2012 at 7:39 AM

    I don't really care that SG is stepping down as showrunner. I mean it is a tough job and she is probably more happy to write her own scripts over supervising others' so I get it. I also honestly don't think that Carver will bring the show back to its essence mainly because the show has evolved so much that he can't. I'm probably in the minority about this but I feel that under Kripke's guidance in his last two seasons-- the show went in a completely different direction to the earlier seasons with the addition of the angels and the super super angst between the brothers. If Sam and Dean weren't present in those seasons-- I would have thought that they were doing a whole different show completely.

    And seriously? How many long-running shows have had their showrunners remain constant through the show's run...I can't think of specifics but I'm sure that it is more common then we think.

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  122. skeptical_inquirerApril 5, 2012 at 7:39 AM

    I don't think trying to shift all the blame to Kripke is right as well.  He's at fault for what he does and she's at fault for what she does.

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  123. isleofskyeApril 5, 2012 at 7:55 AM

     So true. I agree about  seasons four and five.

    The whole show just seemed to explode in season four, going from the adventures of the Winchester family to a Heavenly-Hellish melting-pot with the brothers as a minor ingredient in the soup, and their relationship of love and brotherliness turned into distrust and uncertainty.

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  124. Sybilla75April 5, 2012 at 7:57 AM

    I like her work as a writer, so i'm sad if she's not gonna write any episode for SPN anymore, cuz she was definately one of strong writers left on the series. However, i can't say i'm sad she won't be the showrunner anymore, i don't think she did a good job at it considering the lack of planning, weird pacing & characterization and plotholes in the last 2 seasons. Not to mention that i just don't like the state of complete hopelesness she's brought the characters this season and the relationship between the brothers doesn't even seem the same. I'm sure she's not the only one to blame but she's the one responsible for the show so she could have put some fix to this and she didn't. So anyway i'm glad to have some fresh blood on charge specialle a writer i loved. Just hoping she could stay on the writing team though.

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  125. skeptical_inquirerApril 5, 2012 at 8:05 AM

    I just don't think you can give Sera all the credit if you're not willing to put the blame equally on her as well.  That's not how it works. It's like a boss saying "I get all the credit for the plans you make when things go well but I get to blame you and take none of the blame when they fail."

    All this "it's everybody else's fault but Sera" stuff is nonsense especially if you're trying to praise her for what good the season has.   She's either responsible for both or neither but not just for the good part.

    Whatever Jeremy Carver does next season, I'm putting on his shoulders, the good and the bad. 

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  126. pinkphoenix1985April 5, 2012 at 8:32 AM

    Oh I agree. I also think that very few of the original writers for the show have remained so the focus has shifted. If Singer could take a more central role together with Carver then I think that there might be a chance but I'm not sure that they would completely go for less angst and back to hunting things and saving people. Firstly it is going to S8 and secondly they have put the characters through everything under the sun but the kitchen sink and I don't see how they could just dial it completely back...

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  127. pinkphoenix1985April 5, 2012 at 8:43 AM

    YES!! God, I remember putting up with it in S4 thinking that they will get them back to the relationship and be  stronger together in S5 and it NEVER happened-- I remember saying that I feel like they aren't friends much less brothers who would die for each other. I was shot down when I said that AND then came the heaven episode and Dean throwing away the amulet. It just showed me that there was no brother relationship. But I still hoped...

    Even with the soul-less SL, I hoped...and now Sam is back well not mentally but I still don't feel like they are brothers...except for the odd episode and little throwaway moments where I catch a glimpse *Shrugs*

    I have to admit that the fact that in interviews there is a need to make it clear that the boys are in a good place with each other doesn't make me satisfied at all. I NEED them to show me not to tell me and most definitely not to tell me in an interview over telling me the same in the show 

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  128. pinkphoenix1985April 5, 2012 at 8:46 AM

    I agree-- she did the best job that she could. She tried to take the show in a different direction but wasn't successful. I think that if it were Kripke doing the same-- a lot of the fandom that brought Sera down because of it would have praised him for it.  

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  129. sharonallyApril 5, 2012 at 9:10 AM

    Wether you like it or not Souless Sam isnt one you can put on Sera .There are others involved with the show and Robert Singer came up with that idea .I  get you dont like Sera but you also have to be sensible .

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  130. isleofskyeApril 5, 2012 at 9:11 AM

    I ony discovered SPN in DvD at the end of season 5, so I didn't have the slow build up that fans did while watching each week on tv, but I remember thinking as I watched the first episode of season Four, and the wonderful brotherly hug that the guys exchanged, that I had my loving brothers back; but then it all went down the drain.

    I get the feeling that they currently still do film brotherly scenes on the show but that for some reason they cut them out in the final showing;  maybe because the director doesn't think they are important to the episode, or for lack of space, or because fans say they should grow up and be less co-dependent; or for a thousand other unknown reasons.

    It's clear that, as you say, so much has happened and they can never go back to what they were originally, unless they press the reset button, which quite frankly I would hate, because it would mean we have angsted through all those episodes for nothing, and because it's a plot contrivance I have always disliked in any show.

    The two actors have always been so convincing when giving us those little interludes of brotherly connection and I want to see them again, manifested on the show and not in interviews as you say, just like the old days!

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  131. tvmonkeyApril 5, 2012 at 9:53 AM

    some of the fans were positively vile in their bashing at times so while I dont neccessarily think SG would ever be the type of person to give a shit about the views of a few bitter bitchy fans I seriously can not blame her for stepping down if that was a contributing factor.

    I mean the whole 'Becky Gamble', 'she ran the show into the ground', 'she immasculated Sam and Dean coz she's a feminist' crap was just ridiculous. She had a visison for the show that didnt necessarily work, out end of story.

    I wish her luck and hope she continues to contribute to the show.

    On the other hand I love Jeremy Carver and hope he and Robert Singer really give us a season 8 to remember, I want to see 'Sam and Dean against the world' and I trust these two can deliever.

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  132. tvmonkeyApril 5, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    I wish I could wipe my memeory clean of that crap

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  133. tvmonkeyApril 5, 2012 at 10:06 AM

    Agree with this except for the Lisa thing, good ridence to a really boring character.

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  134. tvmonkeyApril 5, 2012 at 10:09 AM

    I suppose it depends on the sites you use, Supernaturaltv.com is one of the worst when it comes to SG bashing. One of the members there actually started the whole 'Becky Gamble' crap.

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  135. tvmonkeyApril 5, 2012 at 10:14 AM

    There has been a lot of IMO pointless focus on Dean for the past 3 seasons, we seem to being going around in circles with him. This season needs to end with Dean overcoming his issues and Sam being OK as he is now. The boys need to be in a better place on a personal level for the start of next season then we can get on woith it being them against the world. I like BS's vision for the show next season a more Butch and Sundance feel which was what was supposed to happen this year but really didnt. Maybe Carver and Singer will deliever.

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  136. tvmonkeyApril 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM

    I didnt think of that but now that you mention it SG has been quite of late and Mr Singer has been the one doing all the interviews and such.

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  137. tvmonkeyApril 5, 2012 at 10:19 AM

    HOTG was one of the most boring episodes of the show ever, up untill the last few minutes. That scene between Lucifer and Gabriel at the end was its only saving grace.

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  138. Chris KellyApril 5, 2012 at 10:45 AM

    Good luck to her! Hope to hear some news about a renewal soon!

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  139. sharonallyApril 5, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    I like Sera but not everybody is meant to be a showrunner but she is a outstanding writer so it would be sad to lose her completely .As for Jeremy Carver he could turn out to be a inspired choice or we will all still be sitting her next season going 'what the hell' it will be interesting to see how he does ?I  wish him the best with the job and best whishes to Sera in her future endeavours.

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  140. Amber J GardnerApril 5, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    This is so interesting.

    Before, all I saw was Sera hate. And now all I'm seeing is Sera love now that she's leaving.

    Very interesting.

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  141. Ally7April 5, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    yup, I never said anything else, and I'm really surprise to hear you say something like that instead of bashing Sera with the rest of the people^^;

    Eric did good stuff, bad stuff, Sera did good and bad too. But for so many fans, Eric is the perfect god and the good things of S6 and 7 ''''are everyone except Sera's ideas'' and the bad are ''aaallllllll Sera and no one else''

    its was just annoying -_-

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  142. chris684April 5, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    I was rooting for Sera and wanted her to do an awesome job, but damn, this season, and the last one too to a lesser extent, have been a mess. She's written some great episodes, but for some reason - whether it was that she didn't get the support she needed, or that she wasn't right for the job - things have really gone downhill. A Very Supernatural Christmas is probably my favorite episode of the series, so yay! about Carver. I'd love to hear any one make a case that the person who wrote that episode doesn't get Sam or Dean.

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  143. chris684April 5, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    There's never been a lot of Sera hate on this website. It was mostly elsewhere. People tend a little politer around here.

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  144. chris684April 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    A lot of these are the most memorable and defining episodes of Supernatural. Whereas I'd consider most of the episodes on the Sera list good, I'd consider most of these episodes great.

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  145. ARIS3April 5, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    When did Kripke say that Dean's lesson was to learn to love some more??? Why do you always have to twist things??? Dean had to "learn" to let Sam go and this wasn't some kind of lesson, but more of a sacrifice Dean needed to make, because all his life he had to take care of Sam. Unless you have a video where Kripke said exactly what you say here, I'd suggest stop writing things like that and just say that it's your own personal way of seeing things...

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  146. chris684April 5, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    I'm putting that one on both of them. Singer pitched the idea, but Sera said in interviews that both she and Eric loved it. She had creative control at that point and could have vetoed it. Another point with the soulless arc was that the execution may have caused the idea to fail. Soulless Sam didn't have to be so grating. They could have used that arc to tell us a lot more about who Sam is and what makes him tick. Instead we just got a homicidal freak who doesn't sleep (but whose organs were fine).

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  147. arun279April 5, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    how many show runners will this show change? x-(

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  148. rehabberApril 5, 2012 at 2:01 PM

     I enjoyed Soulless Sam also, and the fact that Jared liked playing the part made it even better.

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  149. chris684April 5, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    By two unimportant scripts, I'm assuming you're referring to GND or TFAW?  Adam Glass took credit for pitching the idea of bringing Becky back and having Becky kidnap Sam, and that story was assigned to Dabb and Loflin.  Personally I think it was the idea that was bad.  The execution was fine, given what they had to work with.  On the Amy one, I don't know who pitched the idea of the Amy storyline, but it was a multi-episode arc, so I'd put the blame on the creative leadership of the writing team, which was Sera.  I'm not saying I don't have issues with some of the things Dabb and Loflin have put in their scripts (Dean punching Sam in GND is one thing, and the persistent John bashing is another),  but I don't think they should take the sole blame for Amy and Becky.

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  150. rehabberApril 5, 2012 at 2:27 PM

     I'm also a fan of season 4 and 5, I loved the last Alastair(Chris Heyerdahl) he was so scary and my favorite demon. Crowley is fun, but just not Demon scary to me.  I am a big Cas fan, in fact enjoyed all the Angel/Demon arc.

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  151. percysownerApril 5, 2012 at 3:17 PM

     I will disagree with your assessment of her individual episodes.  I love many of the ones she wrote on her own and really like most of the others. She had a few misfires, but I generally like her work.  However people like different things.  I personally cringe a little when I see Adam Glass or Dabb and Loflin on an episode.

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  152. percysownerApril 5, 2012 at 3:21 PM

     A devil is believed in by many religions. However Lucifer  was a very specific version of the devil and is a Christian concept and is not even believed in by some of the more moderate Christian sects.  Hammer of the Gods is one of my least favorite episodes especially because of the treatment of other religions.

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  153. jensenfan1978April 5, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    Interesting development.  I like Carver. We'll have to see  how it goes. 

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  154. Justine KubicaApril 5, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    All the best to Sera and congratulations to Jeremy Carver! Hopefully we'll get season 8 and see some brilliant stories from our new co-showrunner!

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  155. Bec666April 5, 2012 at 5:44 PM

     Never understood all the Sera bashing.  I thought she did a good job. Every time I read a "Sera doesn't have a clue where to go with the series' or 'Sera is just making it up as she goes'.. I wanted to bang my head against the wall.

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  156. Bec666April 5, 2012 at 5:46 PM

     Totally agree.. Every time Sam or Dean didn't do what the fangirls wanted Sera got bashed.

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  157. pinkphoenix1985April 5, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    Yeah and the sad fact for me at least is that without the brotherly scenes shown on screen the show isn't the same at all. I really don't want or think that it can go back to how the boys were originally but I do think that the brother bond needs to be shown and celebrated some way on the show. Except for the few instances and the odd and rare episode, if I didn't know better I would have thought that the boys were just friends and not blood related. 

    I feel that for angst to have a huge impact-- you need to show the good times too and that is why it was so devastating in S4 because we knew all about the good times previously. Then they just kept on piling the angst until there is very little effect because the good times just weren't there to compare the angst to. 

    I think that that is what really made the first four seasons and then it just got lost in an ocean of angst in S5...and sadly Gamble didn't or couldn't showcase the joy of the bond in S6 because of the soulless Sam SL and the fact that it lasted so long plus Dean's struggle and now in S7 when they are supposed to be "good" with each other--besides the interviews and the few instances of carefree-ness I still don't feel the brotherhood because they have negated it to a "tell" aspect over a "show" aspect. 

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  158. V_sApril 5, 2012 at 6:05 PM

    That's actually not a bad point, but since Supernatural treats "Lucifer", "Satan", and "the devil" as all the same person, he still would have gotten power from those who believe in him as simply "the devil".

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  159. Rachel LouksApril 5, 2012 at 6:13 PM

    Honestly, I never minded Sera Gamble all that much.  While I don't like some of the things she did with the show, Kripke left some huge shoes to fill.  That being said, I'm really excited about Jeremy Carver being the next showrunner.  I love Being Human (US) and I'm really looking forward to seeing what Carver and Singer will do with Supernatural season 8.  :)

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  160. lsbloomApril 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    I'll be honest. I hated season 6. I was prepared for a let down because of how great the story arc conclusion was in season 5. But RoboSam, even though I ended up liking him, was the unforgivable misstep in my mind. Kripke's stepping away from the show and the first thing we get is a Sam who doesn't act like Sam at all, and they wait episodes, lots of episodes, to explain what's up. They didn't give us any clues for forever, so you were forced to think that the new showrunner didn't know Sam. No issues with making him soulless, it made sense, it was fun to watch Sam not whine. I wouldn't mind him coming back. But let the audience in on it. Otherwise, we're forced to blame the writers/directors/producers. And in this case the one big change which was SG. Oh yeah, and then she killed Bobby. 

    Ultimately the audience/fandom does have some power. If we stop watching, it's like the stock taking a dive. Eventually the CEO's out. Call it shareholder concerns. 

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  161. prpleightApril 5, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    I wasn't referring to an issue of focus (or who has had more personal story per episode)  I was referring specifically to the follow through on telling Dean's story.

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  162. isleofskyeApril 5, 2012 at 6:48 PM

     I can't speak for everyone of course but I think that the intense bond between the brothers, their bickering and pranking, their obvious caring for each other is what made everyone love the show in the first place, and that is why we felt so much for them when they got separated or hurt or were in pain or in danger.

    I think if you take away that love they have for one another with the excuse that they have to have other friends, or need to grow -up etc,.then you take away what made the show so special and you reduce it to a normal little procedural show where the two leads have only a passing relationship with one another.

    I hope this new guy brings back those wonderful brotherly moments again, and on-screen, as you say, for us all to see; for they are the heart of Supernatural.

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  163. prpleightApril 5, 2012 at 7:02 PM

    " we seem to being going around in circles with him."

    I think that's the best description of the problem I've had with Dean's story throughout the show.   Dean is a very specifically drawn character and we always seem to come back to who he fundamentally is.  Even with the Lisa story...that ended by bringing Dean back to the loan hunter.  What piqued my interest with the emotional story we were promised for this season is that I expected to take the character, see his issues build to a breaking point and then have some kind of resolution.   Whether Dean is healthier or crazier by the end of this season doesn't really matter to my point.  The problem for me, this season, is that it seems that we've just gotten a beginning of his story;  no real build toward a climax.  
    With Sam they seem to have given him arc stories that have a beginning middle and end.   (Again, I'm not talking about focus so much as how the stories played out.)  His major arc of the first 5 seasons and the hell surviving Sam...were both stories that built to a climax.

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  164. kwolfhardApril 5, 2012 at 7:02 PM

    Part of me wonders if Marti Noxon and Sera Gamble ever get together, considering the hate they received (Buffy Season 6, Gamble's season(s)).

    Personally, some of my favourite early episodes stand out because of Gamble's writing. More, it's never just one writer when it comes down to it. Look at Milch and his crew during the writing of Deadwood.

    It's usually such a communal effort in the embryonic stage.

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  165. Folie-lexApril 5, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    I've found that the usual saving graces in any solo Sera episode is a wondeful textbook brotherly moment and some good punchlines and zingers. But she does have problems in keeping a coherent linear narative in her story throughout the episode. She wastes too much time on unimportant details, loses focus and goes off course and offers up rushed resolutions to the issues at hand. And these are problems that within the constrains of just one episode are manageable. But when you apply that kind of storytelling on a whole season you create MAJOR problems. And that was my issue last year... it has been my issue this year.

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  166. pinkphoenix1985April 5, 2012 at 7:14 PM

    I think the exact same thing. The bond is what brought me to the show and the hope that it will return keeps me as a causal fan...I used to be so obsessed with the show

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  167. Charlene BuchananApril 5, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    yes we get the old dean and sam back ,she ruined Dean and sam in season 6 she made dean seem weak and petty and Lisa was boring ,and sam an ass.I mean this season is good and some episode's are amazing ,but sorry i want OUTSTANDING!!!!!!! .Like  "swang song " "the end" "all hell breaks loss" "what is and what should never be" "a very supernatural Christmas" "tiime is on my side " .I want to cry ,smile,laugh,jump out my seat,say fu..ck you out loud ,that's what old snp used to make me do sure "deaths door " did and some episode's but the story's need to be tight and have all they emotions all the way through .I am sadly soooooooo happy that jimmy is taking over but Sara well done on filling ericks shoe's  

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  168. David FischerApril 5, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    So how long before the fandom turns on Singer and Carver? 

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  169. lsbloomApril 5, 2012 at 11:31 PM

    Come on. Don't make all female fans of a show out to be bad guys. What only men are allowed to have an opinion the show or characters or plots? Sera Gamble was the visible face of the show. If fans had loved it, she would have gotten credit. But since they didn't, she took the blame. That's what being in charge is about. It isn't gender specific. It isn't any more appropriate to demonize Sera Gamble because she was female, than it is to demonize invested fans of Supernatural because they are female. 

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  170. neon_rubyApril 5, 2012 at 11:34 PM

    That's a shame - I really hope nothing else influenced her decision other than a desire to move on - not some of the ridiculous comments aimed at her.. I've enjoyed her work so far and will be sad to see her go. Don't know much about Carver - hope he does a good job.

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  171. SammyWsGirlApril 5, 2012 at 11:47 PM

     What evidence do you have to support your theory? David has given no indication that he's "insane" as you so claim.

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  172. chris684April 6, 2012 at 1:03 AM

    I think they both had the bigger arcs that came to a conclusion.  With Sam it was YED/Lucifer vessel/Hell.  With Dean it was soul deal/Hell/Michael vessel. 

    They've also had personal issues that should have been dealt with by now.  With Sam, it was his monster issues.  With Dean his daddy issues/family issues/depression/fear of losing Sam.  I'm not sure Sam's issues were really resolved so much as they just faded away.  We don't know what happened to his demon blood powers.  He's never really looked back (as far as we know) at his previous fears of turning into a monster and came to peace with it.  We have no idea what he thinks about all of that.  And we had the monster theme back this season with Girl Next Door.  With Dean, those issues haven't faded away, but keep resurfacing as if they hadn't been dealt with already.  Neither brother has really had closure.  We just keep seeing Dean's issues, whereas Sam's issues have been pushed off screen. Which is more annoying, I'm not sure.

    I was hopeful starting this season (and last season) that we could start a new chapter, and that the two characters could move on to new issues since the old ones had been beaten to death in the five-year arc.  Maybe next year??

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  173. NikkiApril 6, 2012 at 2:26 AM

     Alastair would of made a bad ass Leviathan.

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  174. SuePoApril 6, 2012 at 2:34 AM

    I was just listing Carver's since he's the one taking the reigns. I love a lot of Sera's scripts -- but to be fair, most of my favorites of hers were written early on with Raelle Tucker. But she is still a wonderful writer and I am in no way belittling her contribution in that area. But as a showrunner... I'll wait to see how Carver does in season 8, but I really can't imagine the myth-arc being more convoluted. :)

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  175. SuePoApril 6, 2012 at 2:41 AM

    I'll agree that the execution failed. I tend to want to like the characters I'm rooting for and like you said, RoboSam was grating. People may have thought him sexy or fun or whatever, but I didn't 'like' him. And I can't root for someone I don't like. And I never did understand that 'soulless' equals no need to sleep. His body was still a human body with the biological need of sleep to function. Just didn't quite compute. They could've made the conflict Sam was enduring a bigger part of the character -- him knowing what he was supposed to feel but not feeling it. But they barely touched on it and instead had him doing chin-ups with no shirt and paying a hooker. A waste of opportunity in my opinion. I may be in the minority, but that's how I felt about it all.

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  176. DahneApril 6, 2012 at 5:44 AM

    Going to have to disagree here.  I for one would be happy to mind wipe Adam from my memory.  He, Chuck and Jesse are loose ends I would rather stay forgotten.  Kripke gets a big goose egg in my opinion for creating Adam in the first place.

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  177. DahneApril 6, 2012 at 5:49 AM

    I also found season 6 "a breath of fresh air."  Although it definitely had its problems, it also gave me hope that Supernatural would continue to be my favorite show.  It was rapidly losing ground on that front in season 5 and I would find myself looking forward to other shows more during some weeks. 

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  178. DahneApril 6, 2012 at 6:02 AM

    Ha!  For a small part of the fandom it will be 3 lines into the first released episode synopsis.  For most it will be 30 seconds after something happens on screen that they don't like.  Believe me, by the end of season 8 they will NOT be universally loved.  The question will be how deep the viciousness and public loathing gets.  In this I think they will be safe.  The only person in the future who will be as vilified as Sera was will be the person the fandom blames for the show's cancellation.

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  179. rehabberApril 6, 2012 at 12:24 PM

     Hadn't thought of that, but I have liked Chris in everything I have seem him in, great in Sanctuary and Hell on Wheels.

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  180. rehabberApril 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM

     I don't ever want to see Adam again either, but do understand why they had him.  I, for one, did not want to see Dean have to fight Sam and kill him, so Adam was fine in that part.  I liked Chuck and would not mind seeing Jesse again, but leave Adam in the cage or have one sentence about him being in Heaven, don't want to see him again. lol

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  181. chris684April 6, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    I don't think anyone ever expected Sera to have control over every little thing or that she would please everyone.  But as the leader, whether talking about CEO of a company or a showrunner of TV series, you're ultimately expected to deliver.  It's a high-risk/high-reward job.  It's often not fair, but "thems the rules" (said in a Zachariah voice).  You can disagree with my opinion of the quality, but IMO, something's appeared very broken in the leadership for a while.  It may be that Sera had a great vision but her authority was undermined by someone who should not have been meddling.  Could be Kripke, Singer, or the CW.   I suspect that Sera had good plans for Sam's breakdown this season but those plans got siderailed from outside pressure and instead replaced by a 13-arc of nothing but Dean emo and angst.  Don't get me wrong, I'd love a great Dean story, but this wasn't it. From this vantage point, I have no way of knowing what happened, so it's just speculation. I'll say this though, if Singer was responsible for undermining Sera and causing the show to go off in a lot of different directions this season, then he should be gone too.

    I agree with you though that season 6 wasn't as bad as some people found it, but for probably different reasons.  Personally I was totally fangirling Cas and Crowley at the end of the season and I loved the focus on Cas' story. But the shift in the mytharc from Sam and Dean to a secondary character was an issue for other people.  I also loved the feeling that there was a mystery unfolding over the course of the season, and I never lost interest in finding out where it was leading.  I can't say the same for this season.  I've been bored during a lot of these episodes.

    On the other hand, I think there were major problems with season 6.  I'm a big Sam fan, but RoboSam made my skin crawl and he was around for too long.  I hated how little the show explored the emotional side of Sam's experience (finding out what happened to Sam and seeing the emotional aftermath, were what I went into the season most looking forward to). There were dropped storylines, i.e. the Campbells, and a lot that didn't make sense.  A few examples - how Sam's physical body was able to survive in Hell, how it was able to develop a consciousness independent of that of his soul, how Cas was able to get in and out of the cage (which was supposed to be impenetrable), and how Cas didn't realize when he thought he was bringing up Sam's soul that his hands were empty.   There was never a connection made to explain why sleep would be a function of the soul and not the body.  There was the incredulity of the idea that the key to killing the mother of all monsters would be documented in the Campbell family library even though Eve hadn't been on earth for about 10,000 years and had never been killed before, or that the key to killing her lied in what was probably one of her children.  If there were logical explanations to any of this, they were never disclosed onscreen.

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  182. isleofskyeApril 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM

    I agree that the person in charge of any sort of enterprise is ultimately responsible for the succcess or failure of it, but I still don't think she would have been left in complete charge.
    As you say Kripke was still around and Singer too, and obviously there are many undercurrents that we don't know about.

    However, what sort of blame are we putting on her shoulders exactly?
    I mean its not as if she took the show to bankruptcy or anything.
    As I see it she's getting blamed for choices that some persons and fans haven't agreed with, and I really don't think that that is such a serious crime, because everyone knows that each one of us likes different things and it would have been impossible for her ( or anyone else ) to please everyone!

    I liked season six mainly because it didn't have such heavy angst and I was caught up in  the mystery part which I found really intriguing.
    Then we got lots of Crowley :)

    I liked Robo-Sam, for the time we got him.  I enjoyed seeing Dean trying to relate to him and in a way he managed to, until of course Sam just went too far and tried to kill Bobby.
    Even Robo-Sam, although he did not feel for Dean as the old Sam did, still found working with his brother satisfying, obviously liking to be around him.
    Then he let himself get battered to a pulp by Dean in the Veritas episode, something I think he could have easily avoided, but he must have felt that he deserved Dean's anger, so, maybe he didn't have a soul but there was definitely some sentiment there for his brother and I enjoyed the exploring of that unusual relationing betweeen them

     I agree that there were a lot of plot-holes, inconsistencies and trails that led nowhere, but I think that the writers were trying to keep us from understanding exactly what was going on and kept sending us down these one way streets trying to keep the big reveal of the Castiel/Crowley pact as a surprise.
    However, if you look at the overall arc of the season, it was really enjoyable, with some terrific episodes.

    As for the Sam story, yes the fact of not sleeping was a little ridiculous  as even without a soul his human body would have needed sleep just the same.
    As for Castiel not knowing that Sam didn't have his soul, well that's up for debate for when Sam asked Castiel directly if he had known, Castiel denied it a bit too quickly and in fact Sam's eyes filled with tears  and a look of disbelief came over his face.
    As you point out, there were other strange things too.

    As for documentation, the Bible, for example is pretty ancient, so although it's a big stretch of the imagination, I suppose some Eve info could have been carried forward in some way.

    On the whole though, if you overlook all these "careless mistakes" and annoying little discrepancies in the writing, I have to say it's a season I rewatch with great pleasure.

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  183. Simon AitkenApril 7, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    Wow, did not see this coming! But I can understand why, the bashing she recieved since becoming showrunner is so unwaranted and down right nasty. People claim to want a female showrunner/writer/producer on these type of shows and when they get one, surprise surprise, people still complain! I never took part in the bashing, only read and felt sorry for her and the rest of the SPN fandom when a select group of fans act out in this manner.

    Best of luck to her in the future though!

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  184. chris684April 7, 2012 at 1:36 PM

     "However, what sort of blame are we putting on her shoulders exactly?"

    I can only speak for myself here.  The blame I'm putting on her (or someone else if these weren't her calls) is for a season that has completely lost focus and just seems to be drifting into a very depressing place for no point other than to create more angst.  We've had a season of Dean crying into his whisky glass and Sam holding his palm.  Dean was sad and seems to have turned a corner, but no one knows which of the dozen or so pep talks he received pushed him over to a better place, or whether he is really in a better place, because his moods have been all over the place this season and Dean's not talking about his issues.  Sam started off the season with the wall broken, but woke up almost fine.  He soon crashed and found a way to manage his problems.  He crashed again, had a vulcan mind wipe (although we don't really know whether his memories were taken away, his pain, his psychosis, or whether he's just been temporarily numbed to it).  Sam's not talking about what's going on, so it's anyone's guess.

    We have Bobby, a secondary character, taking the lead the Leviathan investigation and really being the only one who made any headway.  Sam and Dean, meanwhile, have been dumbed down for most of the season to underscore how much they depend on Bobby.  Bobby was killed with a big emotional sendoff, just be be brought back in a sense a few months later.  Cas was also killed just to be brought back. They lost their financial means, but it doesn't seem to be affecting them, because whenever Dean's wanted to throw some money at Frank, there's been plenty of it.   They were on the news as killers, but we're to believe the only thing the public might recognize is their car.  The only characters who seem to be moving forward this season are the Leviathans, and they're making progress on whatever it is they are working on off-screen.  I think this show has been a mess this season, and whoever is responsible for this mess should be fired.  As I said before, it could be that Sera had different plans, but those plans were undermined by someone who didn't trust her judgment.  And we don't know whether Sera's leaving was her choice, Kripke's and Singer's, the CW's, or a mutual decision between all parties.  There's been a lot of blame on the Internet by extreme Dean girls for Sera for not "getting" Dean, but we don't know if anyone ever took that seriously.

    As for RoboSam, we're just going to have to disagree on that.  In my mind, they made the character a buffoon who suddenly lost his ability to sense that Campbell was shady, and who was the butt of Dean jokes for most of that period, and that made a good chuck on the season unwatchable for me.

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  185. ScottAApril 10, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    I thought Sera wrote some good episodes but still was responsible for a portion of my pet peeve. Two of the "Horsemen" were dispatched with nothing more than a minor fist fight. (War and Pestilence) They're Horsemen for Cas' sake!! These big bads get dealt with far too easily. I would have liked to see how they would have pulled off the Lucifer/Michael prizefight.

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  186. eb00089April 11, 2012 at 12:16 AM

    Kripke rectified Bugs by reflexively mocking it to great effect in 'The Monster At The End Of This Book' (another shining example of Kripke's genius) -- and let's face it, S 1-5 were brilliant.

    S6-7...not so much. Kripke deserves the praise. Gamble deserves to be booted. 

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  187. eb00089April 11, 2012 at 12:26 AM

    If they improve the series from Gamble's mediocre direction, then there will be nothing to turn on.

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  188. eb00089April 11, 2012 at 12:36 AM

    I was hardly getting bent out of shape on your behalf, I was merely suggesting that Jas's point was pure bollocks.

    We all have opinions. Just because my opinion is that you're insane for not liking HotG, she throws crap my way and can't hack it when I emphasise the flippancy of her answer with an equally pointless answer.

    Damn right.

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  189. eb00089April 11, 2012 at 12:37 AM

    As I said, it's MY opinion that he's insane. I don't need evidence to have an opinion.

    Do Christians have evidence that God exists? They still believe in him. 

    Ouch, girl. Ouch.

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