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Mar 5, 2012

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  1. DarqueModeMarch 5, 2012 at 3:07 AM

    Dale just has that special way of alienating even the people who agree with him by being a nag doesn't he? XD

    I loved Carl telling Carol that she's crazy for thinking Sophia is in heaven! XD
    I'm not in the middle of a zombie apocalypse and I feel the same way. I guess I have the tact to not throw in a grieving mother's face though... I'd like to think so at least.

    Respect to Carl for being unafraid to study the walker, but damn boy! Seriously? You're going to walk up close enough to it to leave a muzzle ring tattoo? The boy is not the sharpest tool in the shed I guess.

    That was a nice moment between Hershel and Glenn!
    Refeshing to see some semblance of normality and traditional beavior in this new world.

    If I were Rick I would have been freaked out by Carl cheering him on too.... That said, he cannot go back after the entire farm has voted to kill him. 

    I did not expect Dale to go out like that! Wow!
    I do love the twist of Dale arguing for Randall's life and then Radnall getting mercy in the end. Only to have to kill Dale out of mercy. Well, Dale wanted death to still mean something and his own mercy killing did mean something to the group - especially Carl! I'm not sure he was wanting to sacrifice himself to make the point, but Kudos on finally pulling everyone over to your side Dale! XD

    Really good episode for me! I voted "Great", but it was close to "Awesome" for me and I may change my mind down the line.

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  2. ShOwFrEaKMarch 5, 2012 at 3:19 AM

    Well, what can I say...

    Firstly, apparently the spoilers were dead-on, so this means all the other ones from same source are also true.

    Secondly, am I the only one or is Carl "really" seems pale. I mean I thought they were near Atlanta. I mean, Come On! Where's that sun tan, lol. 

    Thirdly, I'm sorry, but Dale was truly annoying beyond my tolerance during the meeting of the Knights of the Round Table (they were in semi-circle formation, lol). I don't know if I think I saw, but I think Daryl had the smirk of "you damn right, it's broken, and I'm liking it," when Dale went up to him and said "you're right, the group is broken" 

    Fourthly, Carl, Carl, Carl, oh my dear Carl, well, if they can't show a kid killing a "living" person on a television series, they sure can show it indirectly, lol. Advise for Carl, this is just the beginning for you, my pal, lol. 

    Fifth and final, I thought Rick took the necessary steps to become a rightful leader (rightful meaning that the one who can lead the group to surviving the longest in a world of walkers and sociopaths running around), when he stepped up to shoot Sophia, when no one would, but I guess he took another step back, when he couldn't pull the trigger on Dale, well that my opinion and I'm probably will be getting a lot of heat for saying this, lol. 

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  3. RickIncredibleBadLeaderMarch 5, 2012 at 3:22 AM

    Has this show ever shown Rick to be a good leader. Nearly every decision he has made has killed people. Let's go to atlanta, oops camp was attacked, let's go to the CDC, okay we lost a few suicides, let's go to farm, oops lost sophia, oh another threat, randall, let's bring him to the farm. This guy has done nothing right.

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  4. RickIncredibleBadLeaderMarch 5, 2012 at 3:24 AM

    I agree, ShOwFrEaK, Rick chickened out not once, but twice. Daryl had to step up when Rick was a coward (again). 

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  5. rlwtxMarch 5, 2012 at 3:34 AM

    No heat! Everyone has an opinion. I honestly don't think Daryl wants to see the group split apart. He's just calling a spade a spade. And I don't think Rick took a step back in leadership just because he couldn't pull the trigger. Even leaders get overwhelmed from time to time and look at all the crap that's gone down.  Every leader has a right hand man to take up some of the slack. I'm hoping tonight's the first sign of Daryl taking that role.

    We CAN agree that this episode was awesome! This show always gives us something to talk about.  It also puts a mirror in front of our faces as well. If we honestly thought about it, what would we do in this situation?

    This wasn't supposed to become a book. Sorry!

    Rhonda

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  6. David FischerMarch 5, 2012 at 3:36 AM

    Does Rick ever actually do anything? It feels like it is always Shane and Daryl to step up to make the hard decisions while Rick backtracks on every decision he makes.

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  7. Jorge Castro SalinasMarch 5, 2012 at 3:38 AM

    So Jeffrey DeMunn was the one who argued about Darabont being fired...

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  8. chris684March 5, 2012 at 3:39 AM

    Oh Dale! I'm going to miss hit chats with Shane. This one cracked me up.

    I'm going to call this - Daryl discovers his gun missing and everyone thinks it's Randy. Personally, I believed him initially when he wanted to become part of their group, but threatening to execute someone just isn't the way to build trust. Now they've made him a threat. So was T-Dog even at the group meeting? I didn't notice but was wondering after. Another ep with no dialogue.

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  9. rlwtxMarch 5, 2012 at 3:41 AM

    Rick may not be the greatest leader, but no leader is.  There is no one else in the group, though, that I would want to step in. Shane has proven he is a hot head who is too impulsive to be a leader. Randall, for instance, may prove to be an asset in the end, one way or another. Think Gollum (nerd roots are showing!) for a moment. He was inconvenient, but they chose not to kill him. He ended up being necessary in the end, even if it wasn't as he liked. I think Rick made the right decision with Randall.

    And we can all be armchair quarterbacks. Each decision he made had sound moral reasoning behind it. He is by and far the best leader for the group.

    I know it's not a popular opinion, but it's mine! :)

    Rhonda

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  10. ShOwFrEaKMarch 5, 2012 at 3:42 AM

    I agree on the Randall situation, I mean there was no point on bring him back, more so sparing his life, where I thought Glenn should have stepped in and put a bullet through him, but didn't happen.  

    As for the Sophia thing, I mean Rick didn't have any control over that. I mean what could he have done. He had to hide Sophia and attract the walkers to him as Rick couldn't have taken on those walkers all together, and as native feared child, Sophia decides to leave much quicker than she should have.

    The situation at the camp was unknown, in my opinion. Because we don't know what attracted the walkers to the camp, I mean it could have been Glenn's Dodge Challenger and it's alarm system. Plus, they were too close to Atlanta anyways and there was something like that bound happen.

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  11. chris684March 5, 2012 at 3:42 AM

    Hey, it's not Rick's fault they keep getting attacked. Would you want them to just sit around and wait to die?

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  12. rlwtxMarch 5, 2012 at 3:42 AM

    I apologize to everyone here! I'm very talkative after this episode. So much to discuss! :)

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  13. ShOwFrEaKMarch 5, 2012 at 3:47 AM

    Yeah, T-dogg was at the meeting. Actually he stood out like a sore thumb, since he hasn't been included in any dialogue or recent scenes, lol. 

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  14. DarqueModeMarch 5, 2012 at 3:54 AM

    Rick has been shown to be the only leader of the group that thinks about the group first IMO. Shane cannot see outside of himself, Andrea is too moody, Lori likes Games, Daryl is antisocial and likes his alone time, Carol was a basketcase before losing Sophia and is not getting better,  Glenn does not like to be the center of attention, Dale is too stubborn and annoying and now dead too! XD

    In bad situations even the right decisions can lead to deaths. It is not a good scale for the quality of leadership at all.

    I am not saying Rick is the perfect leader, far from it. He is just the only one that has shown the potential to be a good leader thus far.

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  15. ShOwFrEaKMarch 5, 2012 at 3:54 AM

    Thanks for the no heat, lol. 

    As for what would we do in this situation? I know that I would be the most cynical person there, so if i was at the bar shooting, I'd probably had put a bullet in Randall. If I didn't get a chance to do that there, then I would have still sided on killing Randall for the sake of the group's protection. 

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  16. LinlighthouseMarch 5, 2012 at 4:01 AM

    Perfectly said. And I'm glad you did so I can off to sleep. Sooo sleepy. And by the way, awesome episode!

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  17. DarqueModeMarch 5, 2012 at 4:04 AM

    He really has been just "there" this season since they kicked into high gear with all the bickering and love triangle drama. He is not involved with anyone romantically so he has been left out of most everything. No budding relationship  or budding friendship equals no drama equals no face time I guess.

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  18. Donna CMarch 5, 2012 at 4:04 AM

     This is the best defense of Rick's leadership I've read yet.

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  19. Donna CMarch 5, 2012 at 4:05 AM

     What about Sophia?  Rick was the only one who stepped forward to take care of that business.

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  20. Donna CMarch 5, 2012 at 4:07 AM

     Yeah, it's really sad they can't think of anything to do with him.  Esp. since by this point, the comic had the epic Tyrese in the mix.  Great character.

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  21. DarqueModeMarch 5, 2012 at 4:17 AM

    T-Dog seemed like an alpha dog to me when we first met him, but now he has faded into the background. 

    Really there are only 2 alpha males, Shane and Rick.... and really only 2 other people that are comfortable making decisions. Those two being alpha females Andrea and Lori. For the most part everyone else is a follower besides the 2 alpha dogs and 2 alpha females. We need some new  grounded and strong characters brought in. Not necessarily to vy for a leadership position, but just to make everything more interesting.

    I'm really looking forward to Michonne for that reason... and Tyreese if he makes an appearance. I have not read the books, but from what I have heard both of them are strong individuals if not alphas. Both should add a lot.

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  22. ShOwFrEaKMarch 5, 2012 at 4:24 AM

    Lol. It's actually funny in that Tyrese and Rick had there "go at it" moments in the comic book just as Shame and Rick did in the series. 

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  23. ShOwFrEaKMarch 5, 2012 at 5:33 AM

    Daryl was going to KILL Randall before he ran out to help Dale. OMG, in a good way and excited way too, lol. This was confirm by Gregory Nicotero on The Talking Dead, who by the way directed this episode.  

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  24. brandondavisMarch 5, 2012 at 6:01 AM

    He is just like jack from lost, maintaining his beliefs even if they're not the same as others, and enforcing them to reach his main goal, regardless of possible consequences. The symmetry between this show and lost is uncanny.

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  25. JDMarch 5, 2012 at 6:42 AM

     I might not agree with alot of Ricks choices ( I think he needs to harden up a bit) my only problem with him as leader is he is so wishywashy. He makes his mind up on the right course of action and then changes his mind, over and over. You can't ever gain the confidence of the group when you constrict yourself time and time again.

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  26. JDMarch 5, 2012 at 6:44 AM

     for sure hopefully he will get more lines once more of the casts story lines reach conclusion and they get culled.

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  27. JDMarch 5, 2012 at 6:48 AM

     I would have never took him from the fence, the most I would have done was waste a bullet on him out of mercy.

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  28. ShatteredOneMarch 5, 2012 at 6:51 AM

    I agree with most things you said. 

    It was nice with that little moment between Herschel and Glenn just as a break from all the horror of everything else in their lives, to just have something that reminded you of being normal.

    Poor Dale, I liked his comic counter part but I wasn't as big of fan as his TV version.  That being said it did suck to see him go, especially with it being pretty much Carl's fault for messing with that zombie to the point where it escaped.  And I agree that it was a nice parallel between Randall and Dale at the end.

    Now the thing I don't agree on was Carl telling Carol she's crazy for thinking Sophia is in heaven.  You're free to believe what you want, but that is absolutely ridiculous to say to a grieving mother.  If I were there I would've smacked Carl for being such a little punk.

    Still a pretty good episode, not really any action, but can't have that all the time.

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  29. JDMarch 5, 2012 at 6:55 AM

     All those things would have happend. Group still would have got attacked outside of Atlanta and they would not have had the guns or ammo to survive that attack or any after. CDC wasn't a bad choice and it didn't turn out bad (Fort Benning would have been). They didn't lose Sophia going to the farm, they had to clear the road and look for supplies. The would have lost her no matter what. The choice was how long to look for her. Which could be argued as a mistake easily. Taking Randal off the fence was a bad choice (IMO)

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  30. JDMarch 5, 2012 at 7:02 AM

     Sophia, guys in the bar, leaving Merle. he has stepped up alot. I do agree he is really wishywashy

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  31. J.d. RuudMarch 5, 2012 at 7:03 AM

    What an extremely boring episode. The only good to come of it is the knowledge that the actor who played Dale was most likely the one who put up the biggest stink at Frank Darabonts firing.

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  32. JDMarch 5, 2012 at 7:05 AM

    I missed it at 1st, would love to see Daryl pull it together and become Rick's right hand man/ Sergeant at Arms

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  33. Jenni LouMarch 5, 2012 at 7:16 AM

     T-Dog. I mean, they don't even give him lines of dialogue anymore. It's a little ridiculous.

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  34. DarqueModeMarch 5, 2012 at 7:18 AM

    I notice it a lot too... Randall is Henry Gale before they found out he was Ben Linus...

    I guess Shane is the much less likable Swayer?

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  35. DarqueModeMarch 5, 2012 at 7:36 AM

    I agree he does wemble a lot... even too much.
    However, I think in an ever-changing world one's decisions should be malleable and change based on the moment to a large degree.As circumstances and times change, one's opinions or decisions should be reevaluated at a minimum and probably should change to adjust to the current situation.  A leader that stands by his convictions no matter what might sound good in theory, but in reality it means they are too stubborn to admit when they are wrong or too dumb to realize when they are wrong.That said, it does not mean Rick should change his mind every time the wind changes directions! XDWhile Shane is all-too-willing to accept any repercussions, Rick is too hesitant to make a decision..  That is one way in which Shane's narrow field of vision is almost a benefit and Rick's seeing the larger picture is a hindrance.

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  36. DarqueModeMarch 5, 2012 at 7:49 AM

    The Randall situation is just a mess!!

    I can see saving him from the walker horde... Hmmm horde? Herd? Pack? Gaggle? Colony? Well whatever a group of walkers is called! XD

    Rescuing him I understand, but I would never take a stranger back to my base of operations. Go to some other random farm or a house on the way back and send for their doctor Hershel< Maybe. Put him out of his misery and pain, and help hi mto avoid being eaten alive by killing him? Quite possibly. Take them back to the first safe place I had found since the apocalypse began? No %$&%%^ way!

    I would need to be damn sure someone was a good egg and would be a benefit to the group to even consider bringing them to the farm. Before that would happen They would be isolated somewhere that would not give away my location, the group would be told so I could better assess the situation and then I would decide.

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  37. ShOwFrEaKMarch 5, 2012 at 8:04 AM

    It was explained as a Herd in the comic books

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  38. Enter77Catch22March 5, 2012 at 9:37 AM

    Does anybody know if the writers were Lost fans? Must have been.

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  39. StickoxydalMarch 5, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    The thing is that in a world like this it's absolutely impossible not to loose people every now and then. You try to keep your losses as small as possible and even though I don't agree with everything Rick did, every other possible leader definitely would have lost people.

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  40. StickoxydalMarch 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    I don't know why he's even around anymore. They always say there's great stuff coming up for him and that he's going to be a more developed character but it actually gets worse and worse for him. Must be frustrating for the actor.

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  41. StickoxydalMarch 5, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    I think alphas will always clash in such a difficult environment, especially when things go wrong and people die. And with The Walking Dead there are always things going wrong.
    Hope we'll finally get to see Tyreese in season 3.

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  42. Michael Di BiasiMarch 5, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    They cant even kill him because.. who cares?

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  43. StickoxydalMarch 5, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    Wasn't really aware of that. Also haven't watched Talking Dead yet, so thanks for the info. I would have expected Shane to take care of the situation, did not expect Daryl to step up.

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  44. StickoxydalMarch 5, 2012 at 1:10 PM

    Not sure he will. There will be new characters like the Governor and possibly Michonne, they need to be introduced and I doubt there will be a lot of time to develop T-Dog.

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  45. StickoxydalMarch 5, 2012 at 1:14 PM

    I was sure he's be the first character to die this season after seeing the promos where he was injured but ever since they reached the farm he's been more useless than ever before. The only character he seemed to have some kind of friendship with was Dale and now he's gone too.
    Rick & Shane are too busy with each other and I don't see T-Dog becoming friends with Daryl and also not with Hershel. Maybe with Glenn but he's also busy with with other things. Doesn't look like things are going to change for him.

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  46. StickoxydalMarch 5, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    I like how in one interview they said you just hate Shane for everything he does and when you see Daryl torturing Randall you think that's just him doing his thing.
    But I like that comparison of Shane as a less likable Sawyer. And Daryl - at least for me - is a more likable Sayid.

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  47. tariqqMarch 5, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    agreed nothing happened till the last few minutes and nothing happened last week either

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  48. arun279March 5, 2012 at 6:02 PM

    I haven't started watching TWD s02 yet. But I am hearing very extreme reviews for this episode. Some say that it's really good some say it's really bad. My brother who has been following the show says it was brilliant...A friend of mine who watched it says it was bad... :O Can anyone give a spoiler free explanation for this?

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  49. James WaiteMarch 5, 2012 at 7:52 PM

    Best way of describing it is by aliking it to a "filler" episode of LOST, where one or two small events lead to a big game changing event for the last episode or two. Unlike LOST, though, this was pretty good. There was a lot of clever script writing in this, tension building and big final 5 minutes setting us up for the penultimate episode and the finale.

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  50. LinlighthouseMarch 5, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    Perhaps your friend read the comics as well as the spoilers. It dulls the drama when you know too much, or gets frustrating if it doesn't come out the way it did in the comics.

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  51. LinlighthouseMarch 5, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    Jeffrey DeMunn's acting was terrific in this episode. Perhaps that's because he was, understandably, emotional. Anyway, that whole final scene was done wonderfully by DeMunn, Lincoln, and Reedus.

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  52. RobertAriadneMarch 5, 2012 at 8:20 PM

    If Rick is Jack, then who's Locke? Hershel, maybe?

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  53. StickoxydalMarch 5, 2012 at 8:25 PM

    Everybody who read the comics has to make peace with the fact that the show is a monster on its own, very different from the comics. At first the differences bothered me, now I'm enjoying the fact that I don't know everything that's gonna happen. And I also stayed away from the major spoilers that have been posted by this insider.
    I enjoyed the episode a lot. It had zombies, had action and it had a lot of drama regarding the fact that the old rules of society don't apply anymore. For me it was great.

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  54. StickoxydalMarch 5, 2012 at 8:25 PM

    It was somehow a eulogy to his character.

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  55. LinlighthouseMarch 5, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    I actually liked it a lot even though I read every single spoiler. Just a good, well-crafted episode.

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  56. Stupot815March 5, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    Bit of a slow one this week. the whole village meeting about whether they should kill Randall was a bit boring.  It was obvious it wasn't going to happen.  In fact I find it hard to believe that they were genuinely going to execute him at all.  I don't normally find myself saying this, but Dale was the only one talking any sense this episode.  And now he's dead.  I think Dale's demise symbolises a new, darker era.  It's not just zombies they have to kill now, they'll find themselves killing the living, too, and maybe each other, and there won't be any Dale to drag them away from the brink.

    Also, I find it hard to beleive that Rick and Lori and the others can take their eyes off Carl for long enough for him to go wandering in the woods during a Zombie apocalypse.  Seriously?  I know he was getting under their feet, but telling him off and basically saying 'go and play by yourself for a while' just goes against everything that has come before this episode, especially after what happened to Sophia. Are they fooking idiots or what?

    Also, what the hell is wrong with T-Bag?  Do actors get paid more depending on how many lines they speak?  If so, the producers are clearly trying to save money while also trying to maintain a politically correct racial ratio.

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  57. Guillermo HerediaMarch 5, 2012 at 11:47 PM

    Thank God they killed Dale. What a moralfag. And Rick just keeps proving how weak he is.

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  58. pauloMarch 6, 2012 at 12:18 AM

     I suppose "shoal" would be the correct name, as in "out-of-the-water-for-two-days shoal" :)

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  59. Matthew ThomasMarch 6, 2012 at 2:21 AM

     But we have yet to see a true herd. Those things are massive!

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  60. Donna CMarch 6, 2012 at 4:16 AM

     I was the exact same way.  It drives me a bit mad when I see comments calling the show "horrible" or a "train wreck" and the like because they've gone off-book so much on the show.  I don't think they could've done much with Sophia and Carl because television is such a different medium, guided by different rules regarding children and violence.  Another reason why I think they never introduced the twin boys, either.  Dale ... there were a lot of aspects in play with him being removed earlier than he should've been.  It throws a curveball to the comic fans, too, who'd expected him to last longer.  I'm just praying they don't go too far away from who Michonne is as a character and how she interplays with the group.  She has this non-grating, no nonsense perception of life in the new world.  It's one of the reasons she's so effective as Rick's anchor in the later storylines.

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  61. dunmifMarch 6, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    I think Locke was, until last episode, both Hershel and Dale.

    And while Hershel now seems to look at Rick as the leader and lets him run the game (unlike locke and jack were), Hershel, like Locke, is a man of faith.

    So yeah, I guess Hersel is TWD's Locke. And if he will stick around, I'm sure they will find something to fight over.

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  62. klutzy_girlMarch 11, 2012 at 1:56 PM

    Finally got caught up and holy crap! I knew Dale was going to die, but I wasn't expecting it to happen that way. But tbh, I'm glad he's gone. I hated him. And Carl is annoying me. Way to bait the zombie and then run away.

    The moment between Hershel and Glenn was adorable. I really hope he and Maggie stay alive and together.

    Great episode and can't wait for tonight's!

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  63. JDApril 8, 2014 at 2:30 AM

     I might not agree with alot of Ricks choices ( I think he needs to harden up a bit) my only problem with him as leader is he is so wishywashy. He makes his mind up on the right course of action and then changes his mind, over and over. You can't ever gain the confidence of the group when you constrict yourself time and time again.

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  64. StickoxydalApril 8, 2014 at 2:31 AM

    I think alphas will always clash in such a difficult environment, especially when things go wrong and people die. And with The Walking Dead there are always things going wrong.
    Hope we'll finally get to see Tyreese in season 3.

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  65. DrChangsNephewApril 8, 2014 at 2:31 AM

    I did hear his name at least this episode...T-Dog, grab that rifle, or something like that

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