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POLL : What did you think of Alcatraz - Garrett Stillman; Tommy Madsen?

27 Mar 2012

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53 comments:

  1. klutzy_girl27 March 2012 at 02:59

    It was interesting! WTF at Tommy stabbing his own granddaughter. Way to go there, ass! The guy that Emerson and Lucy found was a freaking psycho.

    Wait, what at the end? HOW CAN YOU END IT THERE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S THE SERIES FINALE? WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? 

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  2. Thirty27 March 2012 at 03:01

    That was the last thing I expected.

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  3. Thirty27 March 2012 at 03:01

     Going out with style?

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  4. vicmic0827 March 2012 at 03:04

    Interesting episode. Normally I hate when the end a season with an "uh oh the main character may die" cliffhanger, but the fact that she actually died means that maybe they're be a significant reason how she ends up coming back to life. I can't believe Tommy actually stabbed her. 
    Too bad we'll probably never get to see what happens after this on the likelihood it's cancelled.

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  5. DarqueMode27 March 2012 at 03:38

    I'm quite conflicted honestly....

    - There really was no huge shocking moment other than Transfusion Man still being alive behind the BHD... but I am thankful that Doc looked in the trouser cuffs before looking in other very common places inmates hide contraband! * Ahem*

    Quite a bit came out that provides nice confirmation to our theories though!
    - James answers to "Transfusion Man".
    - Warden James is behind most of the 63s returning.
    - Lucy is from the 60's and in fact a 63.
    - The Colloidal Silver in the blood also works as a tracking agent.
    - Despite having different markings, the laser-cut modern keys do in fact open the BHD.
    - Hauser has been spending his life trying to find Lucy and not just apprehend 63s.

    I still have a lot of questions though:
    - How did the 63s stay hidden for almost 50 years. 
    - If some were jumped from the the early 60s where were the rest "held"?
    (Assuming most were released recently like Guy Hastings and others have suggested.)
    - How were they held?
    - Who killed Van Madsen? Was it to keep Tommy in line?
    - Has Harlan turned on James and is now a target?
    - Is Harlan behind some of the 63s returning? Two feuding factions using the past as pieces on a chess board.
    - Is Tommy still working for James... For Harlan? OR now on his own? 
    As an episode I think these two were quite good and more of the season should have dealt with the conspiracy aspect and the show mythos of the 63s in general rather than playing US Marshal capturing individual 63s. I want more answers to the conspiracy. I'm not sure I would keep watching though if it stayed as "63 of the week" oriented honestly.

    It will be interesting to see how FOX deals with Alcatraz and its mediocre ratings. I can see them getting a half season as easily as I can see them being cancelled... No news expected until May..... sigh.

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  6. DarthLocke427 March 2012 at 03:49

    I thought it was really good! I knew that Harlan had to be a bigger fish in this! (and now there's at least a company to be interested in!) --I like how political it is. I like how there are always new people to discover and that this war and promise that was broken extends outside Alcatraz over the next 3 years and then into modern day! ---But I def need to rewatch the whole discussion about "seismic activity" again! 

    It was interesting that Tommy didn't just kill her, but we will never know if Rebecca would have actually shot him, so in that respect they may be a lot alike! I wasn't expecting her livelihood to be the cliff hanger!

    So much more stuff but I should go to bed!

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  7. DarthLocke427 March 2012 at 03:51

    I am kind of relived that not too many things got solved. I was afraid things would be so wrapped up, that the new stuff wouldn't seem interesting enough, but this way it feels like it should just flow into the next season (that is, if we get one!)

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  8. DarqueMode27 March 2012 at 04:10

    If it is picked up I will have enjoyed this finale more.... as of right now though I do not think it will be picked up and wanted a few more answers because of that I guess.

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  9. DarqueMode27 March 2012 at 04:23

    For those interested that want to compare I captured Transfusion Man's ring and it does have similar features to Hauser's ring... The flower like or Dharma wheel on its face looks similar and then it appears to have a cross-like symbol on the side like Hauser's did too. Different design though so not the exact same ring.

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  10. DarthLocke427 March 2012 at 04:24

    Ya. it's really gonna stink if that happens ):

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  11. DarqueMode27 March 2012 at 04:27

    Hauser's ring should be included to compare eh? XD

    I wonder if they are military rings? Core or platoon signet rings?

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  12. DarthLocke427 March 2012 at 04:50

    Woah! Good catches! I didn't even notice 'the transfusion' scientists ring! --You're right though they do seem similar. I am going to IMDb to see if this guy has a name...

    Not listed yet...

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  13. DarqueMode27 March 2012 at 05:08

    The actor's name is Matt Craven, but no Alcatraz listing I can find...

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002023/

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  14. Dan Kempner27 March 2012 at 06:01

    I was... slightly disappointed. I've been waiting for an explosive finale, but instead got an episode that felt like a regular episode. Comparing it to the finales of Lost, Fringe, FlashForward, etc., this finale might have offered some answers, but that's it. 

    I truly hope they get picked up for a second season, and when they do, I hope they improve on the weak points of the first season. No more criminal of the week, but rather "mystery" of the week, or "study" of the week, that will have them look into different inmates' activities, and then look them up. Seeing one inmate at a time is plain, and really bizarre. I mean, they don't just show up one at a time..

    Overall, an interesting season, could've been better, but also could've been worse. Hopefully it will get renewed.  

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  15. eidnoreid27 March 2012 at 06:20

    Rebecca is a total idiot, how the hell did she become a detective in the 1st place?  She can't even handle a gun.

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  16. Gusto Bluesboy27 March 2012 at 07:03

    What style?

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  17. andy s27 March 2012 at 08:28

    She's dead? So what? Also, silver...

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  18. andy s27 March 2012 at 08:40

    Cryogenics were mentioned...I guess that is how they were kept. Grandpa Madsen mentioned broken promise to James. So how about this theory: James recognizes Hanley is a financial genius, gives him freedom in 60. and in return wants cut or his profits. Three years is enough for Hanley to get rich. So, with that money the logistics behind 'the jump' is financed. That means James and Hanley were in on it together. But, the promise...it is intentionally left vague, but it could be that Hanley had to promise he wouldn't interfere with whatever James tried to accomplish with this. Maybe he did, and maybe he ordered killing the doctor, getting those keys, wanting the access to that room all to himself. Which begs the question, where is James? Since the scientist (since I'm watching NCIS, I'll call him Secnav) only now woken up and doesn't know where he is, I guess he was in that room when the jump happened. We have also seen prisoners waking up in their respective cells. Since the room was sealed and the keys were lost, I guess everyone are waking up where they were when the jump started. Which also warrants questions where was James when it happened. 
    What I don't like is 'killing' Madsen for shock value (though I really carry no emotions about whether she lives or dies) - first, there was no motivation behind it, and second if there is second season, no chance she would not survive. 
    One thing that potentially worries me is that FOX might decide to keep Alcatraz only if they move it to friday in Fringe slot, which of course would mean Fringe is a goner...but let's wait and see

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  19. DarqueMode27 March 2012 at 09:26

    I really hope it gets renewed too since the last 5 or 6 episodes were some of the best in the series. Ending on a relatively high note is nice, but means little if it is not picked up....

    I think the one thing that really disappointed me is that many of the things "discovered" by the characters, the audience knew or suspected already. It felt like the characters were always playing catch up to the audience and always a step or two behind. That was my major issue with the format all year long. 

    The flashbacks were fun and insightful to the case of the week, but not usually insightful to the overall myth arc. Likewise the A-Team did not get the flashback information since they were not able to view the flashbacks of course and they were never investigating the past or the 63s activities after apprehension!

    My biggest complaint about the finale was yet another case of the overused plot device when they show the pivotal event at the end of an episode in the opening scene and then show the events leading up to that scene. It rarely if ever pays off and certainly added nothing to this episode. We already knew Rebecca would get shot or stabbed and any tension was removed by having that knowledge as the scene played out.

    I wish I knew the technical film term for that episode format... (other than ineffective of course).

    That said this would have been a very good mid-season finale. It narrowed the focus on a number of open plotlines and left us with a lot still unknown. It also is a better direction for the show to take on the whole like you said. Less 63 of the week and their capture..... More using a 63 each week to enlighten aspects of the myth arc to a greater degree than they did most of the season.

    It's interesting to think of the Elizabeth Sarnoff effect too. I enjoyed the first 7 episodes and felt they were very well crafted episode, but the pace and format was not as good to me as the last 6 episodes. I think the series really hit its stride when it started giving more insight into the greater picture...

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  20. Ahnjayla27 March 2012 at 11:54

    Rebecca is not going to die.......................did you see the knife she was stabbed with?? To me it looked like it was made of silver .................maybe forged out of colloidal silver and her grandpa knew that when he stabbed her he did not kill her..................she may be flatlining but give her body a chance to absorb the silver from the the knife fragments...............she is not dead!

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  21. gb35692127 March 2012 at 12:07

    not a great way to end a season, even if the show is not renewed.

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  22. Cliff27 March 2012 at 12:57

    On other sides, they call him the "Silver Man" =) .. I'm looking forward to the finale, watching in a few hours, but I've been spoiled already anway.

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  23. Jay Gibbs27 March 2012 at 13:04

    How are they going to get the silver, though? Ray and Doc don't have access to the silver, and Lucy and Hauser are too busy fiddling around on the control deck of the TARDIS to know what's going on elsewhere. Unless an offscreen call was made to Doctor Beauregard, and even now he's too late.

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  24. DarthLocke427 March 2012 at 13:44

    I really like the two openers and Cal Sweeney...but I thought everything went better after "Paxton Petty". I thought they did a good job in revealing stuff, but never too much. And really I just like the relationships and exploring the abuse of using a human being in these ways...

    But after reading the rating chart again, I don't know if we're gonna make it to another season...

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  25. DarthLocke427 March 2012 at 13:45

    I am sure if we get another season, that she isn't going to be dead either...but the series uniquely plays on 'creating ghosts' to go and gang around town (and time periods apparently)

    Really good theory though!

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  26. DarthLocke427 March 2012 at 13:48

    I think it was a hard decision for her...I think she wanted to like him. I also think we don't know enough about Tommy to just hate him. I think he has been conditioned to be this person he has become...and it doesn't mean stabbing her was easy for him. He could have ran her over with his car, stole her gun, ect if he wanted her really dead...but he didn't.

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  27. nellymendezcolon27 March 2012 at 14:43

    the episode was amazing the car chase wooow incredible but the stabbing part was so senceless for him i hate that guy for escape using this method where are his feelings if he  had some.

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  28. WeAreLostBeth27 March 2012 at 14:48

     They were watching Tommy since '54, tested his blood an awful lot, and then determined he could handle the silver injection..  he heals really fast now, i speculate that he healed b/f too just not as spectacularly.. and Rebecca has the same blood (minus the silver, we think.) they did make a point to do a close up of the bloody knife..

    I think the Madsen blood is special, with or without the silver, and that she is going to be dead a few minutes and then her heart start again..

    But if this is how the show ends?!?! eh gads i don't know how to feel

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  29. andy s27 March 2012 at 15:08

    You have seen Lucy shot in the heart, practically pronounced dead without silver...and yet she made it. So, I'm not worried (not that we'll ever find out, sadly)

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  30. Thirty27 March 2012 at 19:22

    Two thoughts on Rebecca:

    One, we haven't seen exactly what happened to the people who've come back. It's possible each of them died as a part of the process.

    Two, Rebecca's death could be what gets Ray off of the sidline.

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  31. DarthLocke427 March 2012 at 19:32

    I think your onto something, but we did see what happens to Lucy...and although she was almost dead, I can't remember if she was specifically pronounced dead...

    I also had a thought that the doctors might be "in" on something and this could be a planned abduction...perhaps Tommy needed her blood for something...and if it's a match, maybe 'they' want to make her 'one of them'....I dunno, he could have easily finished the job and didn't, so I can't help to think there was a reason she was left on the street. Maybe to give Ray a message?--You're right make more active...

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  32. DarqueMode27 March 2012 at 19:48

    My thought process was he stabbed her and left her there because he did NOT want her to die.... he just wanted to escape.

    His sole request of Warden James was to get Ray out of Alcatraz to look after his family (at the time Van Madsen), so we know family means a great deal to him. Plus if he wanted her dead he would have brought her down then stabbed her again or slit her throat. Not to mention countless other times he could have killed her prior to the finale...

    More over, I think he could very well come to her rescue if there is a Season 2 and offer up some of his blood (if no one else's blood matches Bex).  It may very well just be part of the process. You die and come back changed. Again, back to the Corinthians quote from our dearly departed Yapper...

    "For the trumpet shall sound, the dead shall be raised imperishable, and they will be changed"

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  33. DarqueMode27 March 2012 at 19:53

    I have thought Ray Archer was more involved in everything from the beginning, but after the last few episodes I think he may be less involved than I thought. He certainly was involved in the early 60s as a guard, and 18 years ago when Hauser tried to recruit him, but I think he has attempted to stay out of this entire Alcatraz conspiracy as much as possible.

    Hmmm... why did Hauser try to recruit  Archer 18 years ago? 
    - Was that when Tommy Madsen first was discovered 18 years ago? 
    - Did the Edwin James surface 18 years ago? 
    - Were Rebecca's parents working WITH Hauser and when they died he needed a new "Madsen" to work with him?

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  34. Tomas27 March 2012 at 20:53

    Did you notice, that part of the Numbers showed up on the truck? :)

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  35. Lou27 March 2012 at 21:46

    My attention has always kind of wavered throughout Alcatraz episodes, it has failed really grab me in a way that other shows have but then again Fringe took a while to get into its stride. I think this season needed more than 13 episodes especially as it was getting stronger as it went along.

    Sadly the chances of another season are pretty miminal so we have to deal with what we have and of course being a sci-fi show it was full of cliffhangers! Obviously Rebecca won't die because its the law of TV so really that wasn't a shock. I did like the reveal that the prisoners were sent all over the US.

    Personally for me the show worked best when it focused on Lucy it was always so great seeing her in the flashbacks and the moment when she spoke about record players and not having people to listen to the music with? That was the emotional strongpoint of the season for me.

    If we don't get another season I will be a bit disappointed but not heartbroken, the show has potential but it still lacks that really connection with the characters which I really need to enjoy a show.

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  36. Brandon A Hedlund28 March 2012 at 01:18

    This is what is going to happen Uncle Ray is going to to Emerson and beg to fix her for him.

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  37. Stupot81528 March 2012 at 01:44

    Quick few thoughts before bed.  Haven't had time to read through the thread so sorry if I say stuff that's been discussed.

    Anyone notice in the over-the-shoulder shots of the Warden James, he resembled an Observer?  Hmmm, haha.

    One of the first things that jumped out to me was the knife Tommy used on Rebecca.  I think he had his own blood on it or something, and so the silver from his blood will go into her blood-stream and she will survive.  It's a stretch, but she's clealy not going to die, so something has to save her.

    I'm sorry to say this because I love Jorge to bits, but I feel that Doc Soto is a really redundant character.  This was the bloody FINALE for crying out loud, and we had more myth-arc in this pair of episodes than in the entire rest of the series combined, and yet all Soto really did of any use was put his mobile in the back of the car, scare Tommy away and then hide the key from Hauser for an hour for no apparent reason.

    I think Jorge was only cast in this role because he would entice the Lost fans to watch Alcatraz.  It worked, but if you really think about it, this entire season could have gone by without Soto, and it would have made veeeery little difference at all.

    I do hope there is a season 2, I think they have scratched the surface of what could be a brilliant conspiracy/mystery. I do like how this conspiracy has been happenening all over America and not just Frisco, that opens things up a bit... but I did get the feeling in that last few scenes that if the show were to be cancelled, the writers have deliberately left it in quite a nice tidy place that would work fairly well as a single-season show.  Pessimistic, maybe, but that's the feeling I got.

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  38. Boris Breynin28 March 2012 at 01:49

    Omg!!!!!!!!!!! Secretary Jarvis has betrayed the NCIS and turned to the life of Transfusion Man lmao.
    But seriously Harlan betraying the Warden i saw that coming after setting up Carl Sweeney. Come on people you should of seen that coming.

    Harlan killing the inmates that Warden James sent after he broke the promise he and Warden James agreed on was great set up in telling us that Harlan is the Third player in the game. I was wondering what happened to Harlan after James shoved him into the BHD.

    How Warden James knew Harlan betrayed him and how Harlan found out James was looking for him?

    They made a mistake in the scene where Tommy broke into the home by breaking the small window if you look closely you would see a big piece left in its place after Tommy broke the window and when the camera zoomed in on him unlocking the door and zooming out you can see clearly that the big piece that was left behind was indeed missing lol

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  39. Boris Breynin28 March 2012 at 01:52

    Lets not forget Matt Craven role as Secetary Javis on NCIS aka Transfusion Man lol

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  40. DarqueMode28 March 2012 at 02:42

    I think Doc Soto was fun in the beginning and continued to be the comic relief on the series, but they never took advantage of the character. Frankly they really never used any of the characters to their full advantage other than Rebecca Madsen since she has the familial connection and is the the only member of the A-Team that is young or agile enough to run after fleeing suspects! XD

    I think IF they get a season 2 Doc would be better utilized as tech support. Revamping the Alcatraz systems, organizing all the prisoners belongings etc. Right now, once they go into the field he either stays behind at the car, or does things that work against the team as much as help (looks out for the innocent and worries about the families etc). Awesome stuff in reality, but counter-productive for the team. I think he would work better as more of an academic investigator/ tech support more than field agent. Something like Garcia on Criminal Minds. *shrug*

    That said I do like the character, but I am a little bored with the "aw shucks" goodguy.

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  41. prpleight28 March 2012 at 03:19

    These two eps pretty much cemented my feeling that I'm finished with the show.  I barely looked up during the first ep.   I got the basic gist but just didn't care enough to provide much of my attention.

    I watched more of the second episode.  Didn't have a problem with Rebecca getting stabbed  because...she should have cuffed the guy right away and had the conversation after...or at least started cuffing the guy when he stabbed her.  But standing there, so close to the guy, completely ignoring her training ( she didn't even search for another weapon) was just too dumb a thing for a character we've been led to believe is a really sharp cop...was just too much for me .

    The big reveal ...ultimately landed flat....they've created prisoners whose blood allows them to maintain their youth so they can track these men.   For what purpose we don't really know...and I don't really care.  There simply wasn't anything particularly interesting or intriguing about the mystery they revealed that piqued my interest.

    I won't be bothering with season two and, judging from the numbers last night, I don' t think it will be an issue.

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  42. prpleight28 March 2012 at 03:21

    "- There really was no huge shocking moment other than Transfusion Man still being alive behind the BHD... but I am thankful that Doc looked in the trouser cuffs before looking in other very common places inmates hide contraband! * Ahem*"

    And I just sputtered coffee all over my keyboard.

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  43. Stupot81528 March 2012 at 10:53

    I know what you mean about that plot device.  I'd head that Rebecca gets stabbed, so when the episode started and she was lying on the ground covered in blood, the first thing I thought was "Oh damn, I must have watched a broken stream of the previous episode and missed the stabbing".  And then it said "36 hours later" and I realised what was going on.  So if the desied effect is to make us go "what the f*ck?" then they succeeded, but for the wrong reasons.

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  44. Stupot81528 March 2012 at 10:58

    Yeah, and I think he stabbed her knowing she won't die.  Either his blood was on the knife as I had mused earlier, or as Ahnjayla says below [which I prefer], the knife itself could have been made from the silver.

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  45. Stupot81528 March 2012 at 11:04

    Loved the car chase too.  I was wondering when it would come.  You can't have a film or TV show set in San Fransisco and NOT have a full-on Bullit-style car chase.  Didn't like the way they broke it up into two sections with a Hauser/Soto scene in the middle.  It felt like while that was going on we were missing half the action going on elsewhere in the city.

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  46. Stupot81528 March 2012 at 11:08

    Haha, good catch.  I'm out of practice looking out for the numbers.

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  47. ✿ Laura McM ✿28 March 2012 at 14:05

    WTF!!!!

    Loved it but she cant be died!!

    Bring on season 2 :)

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  48. nellymendezcolon28 March 2012 at 15:02

    Disqus generic email templateis true I am agree with you that scene with the actors was pointless cut the chase car action that’s was really exiting.

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  49. DarthLocke428 March 2012 at 16:08

    I really feel strongly that had it been a traditional 22 episode season, it would have been better.
    But with that being said, and considered there were 4 pilots and ton of reshoots, which included then dropping Jimmy Dickens, I got to say I felt they accomplished A LOT in a very short time. 

    Another fun thing is that we don;t know what the side effects of the colloidal silver are...as there is potential to do something VERY Frankenstein here in regards to one's identity and behavior characteristics.

    The show really runs more on a psychological level--the themes are about not being in control of one's self/future, ect.

    But I think we are at a turning point...where the show can be more about the story and the characters and we start moving away from the procedural aspects and allow us to know these people in deeper ways.

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  50. DarthLocke428 March 2012 at 16:11

    Exactly. --and I think by the way the season ended that's exactly where they would be going. IMO I think it was sort an introduction and now there's potential to really get into it.

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  51. LockeUp30 March 2012 at 06:49

     I actually liked how they ended it.

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  52. LockeUp30 March 2012 at 06:51

     Killing the main character?

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  53. Shaakira Abdul Samad31 March 2012 at 06:45

    Wow, love it! I hope for a season 2!

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