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Jan 28, 2012

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71 comments:

  1. laura3341January 28, 2012 at 3:00 AM

    Loved it ,i thought it was great!

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  2. Jimi SturgesJanuary 28, 2012 at 3:01 AM

    was great

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  3. LinlighthouseJanuary 28, 2012 at 3:14 AM

    I was sad Emily had to die, but on the happy side, the team was back working together again.

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  4. RobertAriadneJanuary 28, 2012 at 3:16 AM

    Due to an unforeseen emergency, I missed the first half-hour. But I thoroughly enjoyed the second half. I'm glad to see Walter is starting to accept Peter; and that Olivia is moving away from Lincoln and toward Peter. Olivia and Lincoln just didn't do it for me (except Fauxlivia and Alt-Lincoln).

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  5. LinlighthouseJanuary 28, 2012 at 3:33 AM

    What was the black van? Was an observer in it? Nina?

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  6. DahneJanuary 28, 2012 at 3:34 AM

    I thought it was meh but not every episode can be as amazing as the last two.  I am looking forward to next week's episode a lot more.  Hopefully we will learn more about the Observers in that one.  They are the central mystery of Fringe for me.

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  7. mbale473January 28, 2012 at 3:55 AM

    I loved it and the previews to next week looked amazing. Astrid screaming when she meets her other self... lol

    Season 5!..... Please!!!

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  8. Wilson CrawfordJanuary 28, 2012 at 4:03 AM

    It was a dry cleaner's van.

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  9. DarqueModeJanuary 28, 2012 at 4:20 AM

    This was one of those middle of the range episodes for me. Not great, but not bad....

    I liked seeing the full team - including Walter and Peter working together - investigate one case instead of going separate ways like they have recently. 

    Impending Doom-Girl was somewhat interesting, but as COTW episodes go this was not a great one. 

    It felt like somewhat of a callback to 'Inner Child' in Season 1 with the boy seeing the future but unable to help the impending victims. Instead of Walter hooking Emily up to the Neural Simulator he uses hypnosis to get a better grasp of her vision.

    Having the girl willing to maybe not put herself in eminent danger, but at least put herself in an uncomfortable situation knowing what the consequences would be relates to the self-sacrifice of Peter last season and the possibility of Olivia doing something similar. One of those moments Olivia will look back on and find strength to do what will need to be done later this season I am certain.

    Olivia and Broyles are Observer hunting now which should make next week AWESOME! 

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  10. David FischerJanuary 28, 2012 at 5:17 AM

    It was alright. Not great, especially compared to the last few episodes. Its always jarring going back to COTW episodes after mythology episodes.

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  11. vicmic08January 28, 2012 at 5:24 AM

    Coming off two great episodes, I didn't expect that to be anything great towards the overall plot, but I did think that was one of the best random case of the week episodes Fringe has had in a long time.

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  12. MutsieJanuary 28, 2012 at 5:49 AM

    Simply Awesome!!
    &
    Ninaaaaaa... You {d}evil....hypocrite...

    ♥

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  13. SuzanneJanuary 28, 2012 at 5:56 AM

    This episode gave me a lot to think about, and it's making my theory about the Observers ring true, which is too long to post here (I'll leave that for LJ) but even though this episode wasn't part of the main plot, it did give us some things to think about which is only a good things because we need to keep talking about this amazing show.

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  14. AnastasiaJanuary 28, 2012 at 6:06 AM

    It was great as usual

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  15. Spike TrolovJanuary 28, 2012 at 6:18 AM

    Awesome!!

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  16. Liz L.January 28, 2012 at 6:52 AM

    OMG next week is going to be THE SHIT! Two Astrids annnd both Olivias?! How am I expected to contain myself?

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  17. magnutudeJanuary 28, 2012 at 7:26 AM

    Enjoyed it quite a bit. Liked that we got some advancement in the myth arc, and that the team seems to have accepted Peter completely and vice versa.

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  18. LéaJanuary 28, 2012 at 7:48 AM

    Even if nothing really immportant hapenned I really loved this eisode. The case was great, I have to admit I cried during the last scene with Emily and her dad, the Broyles/Olivia scene in HQ was great and parallels with The Ghost Network with death prediction and the bus. Plus, Peter as wearing those shirts I might have died a little. I really hope that the Nina who's giving cortexiphan to Olivia is Alt!Nina because Olivia loves "the closest thing she has to a mother" so much and I don't want to see her heartbroken if this Nina is the one giving her this "migraines".

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  19. Jenni LouJanuary 28, 2012 at 8:32 AM

    I didn't see this as a CotW as some other folks have said. I mean, of course it was. But I thought it was nicely balanced with the character stories of the team. There wasn't any big info dump but there was some lovely moments between Peter/Walter, Olivia/Broyles, Olivia/Peter and even Olivia/Nina.  I thought it was a great episode and it even made me tear up a few times. Good stuff!

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  20. Krista McInturffJanuary 28, 2012 at 8:32 AM

    wow way too sad.

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  21. prpleightJanuary 28, 2012 at 9:14 AM

    That was completely not what I expected from the preview.  There was lots of really good stuff.  I got one of my favorite type of Walter lines.  "I can't feel my urine response yet."  I got to hate Nina Sharp with a fiery passion.  I got to see hints of the old Peter/Walter vibe.

    I've gotten so used to seeing high school teens played by twenty-five year olds I found the young lady playing Emily very refreshing.  For some reason, when I saw the promo for this week's ep I saw  more malevolience to her character than there actually was.  I'm a softy (don't tell anyone)  I loved that her family's reaction to her gift was to circle the wagon.  Even her younger brother.  And I really loved why she felt the need to warn people even if she couldn't change anything.  It was a shame her story ended like it did.

    I'm finding it kind of fun to watch Peter casually mention info from his time.  :-)  Oh hey, there's a picture of an Observer. 

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  22. prpleightJanuary 28, 2012 at 9:30 AM

    You know, I think part of the problem, in terms of moving the arc story forward, is that we've landed in a universe where most of the characters don't know as much as they did at the end of  the previous season. (Or as much as the audience know now.)  So to get to, for example, an Observer heavy episode we have to wait for the rest of the characters to catch up and find out (again) what an Observer is. It's a credit to the writers that they've managed to do this without boring the audience to tears.

    I haven't had a disappointing ep yet this season, but I do feel like we've been treading water until everyone catches up.  We had to get Peter back into the fold, get everyone to realize he knows things they don't (like who the bad guy was last week and who the Observers are)  Hopefully, we have finally hit a point where the story can just go forward from here on out.  But I am finding this season more successful (in terms of my excitement to catch the next ep) than last season.

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  23. Sarah CoolingJanuary 28, 2012 at 10:35 AM

    it was so freaking awesome i love everything and can't get other it, sad Emily had to die and the ending scene with Nina being nice i was like awww then i remembered she's evil....:/ and it's an act :(

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  24. Linah WaleedJanuary 28, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    awesome 

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  25. mrflamethunderJanuary 28, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    While some may felt ok 'bout this episode, I found it very entertaining. I'm a softie too so I sobbed for Emily. And I love to see Olivia's story moving forward..

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  26. LouJanuary 28, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    Oh Olivia and Nina it breaks my heart, I'm not sure if Nina really does care for Olivia or not, perhaps what she is doing is something she feels like she has to do for the greater good rather than for the evil workings of DRJ.

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  27. abuliketJanuary 28, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    I would mention, cotw aside, the parallels with Olivia's personal aknowledgment in regard to her fate. She's still processing what the observer said. I liked the case, even if there's really not  a progress in the overall story. But, if nothing, there's a progress in Olivia's mind. No-one can really tell what will happen until it happens: we have still our choises to make...And just in case,  better say I love you to the people we care. 
    Besides, what I really like about cotw is their calmness, in fact they give us time to think and to observe the characters thinking and struggling for themselves and inside themselves.. 
    So, some wait is fine to me.

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  28. Jessica SanmartinJanuary 28, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    Deja vu!

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  29. tsavonglah08January 28, 2012 at 4:13 PM

    Though they didn't mention DRJ once, I also enjoyed this episode a lot.
    Great acting and some emotional moments, like the ending at the lake I didn't expect. :)

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  30. maxime boudriasJanuary 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM

    Why Emily had to die :(

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  31. Chiara BocciJanuary 28, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    This episode was really great!! I loved everything about it! Can't wait to find out more about Evil Nina

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  32. DarqueModeJanuary 28, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    I like the theory about role swapping in different universes. While I'm not sold we are in fact in a different universe than the original "Blue", you can see some the swaps easily enough. I have to think on this one though since it does go against my theory that we are in the Blue universe, just on an altered timeline.

    I like the Mr. X connections! Interesting....

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  33. overandbackJanuary 28, 2012 at 6:25 PM

    Great episode. Not exactly on par with last week but that one would be pretty hard to match.

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  34. DarthLocke4January 28, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    We're on the same page I bleive that this is just alternate versions of the red and blue universes too, but that this one has already existed and Peter has gone "back" to there... (the titles are amber and green... add vast amounts to yellow to red and blue you get orange and green)---An iteration is just another way to say alternate, which means change(d)....IMO our universe is like it's great great great great great great...grandchild.

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  35. DarqueModeJanuary 28, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    Thinking of swapping roles and the Observers made me think of something interesting...

    We think of seeing the show through the eyes of Peter and Oliva and to a lesser degree Walter, but what if we are seeing it through the Observers eyes?

    They can see all the possible futures an we have been floating around from one time and universe to another... much like the Observers are able to do.

    *pats myself down and rubs my head to make sure my hair is still there and I'm not bald and wearing a suit*

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  36. DarthLocke4January 28, 2012 at 7:10 PM

    That would be interesting indeed! -I def think the machine users and the machines are also a reflection of The Observers Evolutionary Process!

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  37. DarqueModeJanuary 28, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    Yeah I originally thought we would be going to a new multi-verse parallel to the original Blue.... and maybe we have I guess.

    It just seems like the way Peter is so sure he is not home, I think he is home. Well, as close to home as he can be after the events of last year's finale.

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  38. 1ROBJONES2January 28, 2012 at 10:06 PM

    So far this new year from fringe  i have noticed a slight drop in quality. I think the production budget has been cut.Also as a die hard fringe fan i am getting a bit fed up of this new time line where people don't know whats going on , its getting a bit tiresome!!!!
    They need to start giving us some answers about the observers. I like the fact that our olivia from " our" timeline was special or the one with cortexiphan powers . I thought she would get more powerful and display X-men type powers in the  impending war between the two worlds .
    I believe TPTB have miscalculated how fans are not happy with this new timeline.
    I don't think we are gonna get a 5th season.

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  39. DarthLocke4January 29, 2012 at 12:48 AM

    I assume that the Observers meant to erase Peter from all time, rather than just his own timeline, but September has a change of heart...So I am going to have faith that he can go home at some point...

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  40. DarqueModeJanuary 29, 2012 at 1:12 AM

    I can see that. I actually hope that too I guess. Besides. Olivia is the "crowbar" to be used if something goes wrong.

    By Peter's definition, him not being in the proper universe on the proper timeline is "something going wrong". Ican see Olivia sacrificing herself or MR X (is it Peter) killing her to set off the fail safe on the BBM or reset the timeline etc.

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  41. DarqueModeJanuary 29, 2012 at 1:17 AM

    Off topic, but if you recap or review Alcatraz 1.03 Kit Nelson I added mugshots of all the returned prisoners to the SpoilerTV Archive. I redid 2 (Tommy Madsen and Kit Nelson) of them so they're different than the ones I posted in the Alcatraz review thread.

    http://spoilertv.co.uk/images/alcatraz/season-1/Misc/ 

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  42. neon_rubyJanuary 29, 2012 at 1:18 AM

    Thought it was a great episode. The last two episodes were so great that this one had a tough job living up to them. But I loved the case and was heartbroken at the end. I loved the whole team working together and it seems like a partnership could be developing between Olivia and Peter. The ending has me so intrigued - those drugs Nina are sending over cannot be good. I'm desperate to know what her agenda is.

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  43. BismaJanuary 29, 2012 at 10:12 AM

    Great episode, and quite sad!! 

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  44. DarthLocke4January 29, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    That's great! I def will checking it out! I am on a third draft! I will def mention that the readers should check out the mug shots!

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  45. Felipe SalesJanuary 29, 2012 at 1:42 PM

    Great!!!!

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  46. HeraJanuary 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    I really liked the case this week. Ending was so sad...

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  47. Ricky TerryJanuary 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    I liked the exposition of the Observers, but I would rather there have been some actual scenes, I suppose maybe one day we’ll get to learn more than just snippets about them. Speaking of that, since when does Peter just happen to know that they are timeless, or omnipresent? I mean yeah one could glean that from their sudden appearances, and as an audience member I too have been pretty sure that omnipresence was at play, but the way Peter just kinda nonchalantly threw that out there was kinda strange…like Olivia should know or something. Why the hell has Peter been keeping this so close to the vest all these seasons? We should have found this out long ago. Plus since when is Peter the go to guy for all things Observer?
    Like I said I did like the little mythology touches they did this week, but I must say the guest stars were lacking in the believably department. The girl was just not that good at delivering lines. Her physical acting was good, but her delivery was off. Plus the dialog was rather predictable and kinda blase’ this ep. It certainly wasn't the worst this season, but it definitely wasn’t one of the best either. I gave it an "Ok". Next week looks a little better, at least from the promo. Two words; Astrid, and Observer.

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  48. Ricky TerryJanuary 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    I just don't get why they do an episode like this right after DRJ and the Shapeshifters caused all that havoc. I mean Olivia literally said it was just two days ago that the Observer spoke to her, and yet the entire Fringe team that just one day before sat down with the other sides's entire Fringe team to come to an accord over the whole multi-verse terrorism problem, is totally acting as if there is no DRJ at all. Peter is all oh yeah those guys are Omnipresent, no big deal, no other explanation needed, The Fringe team know that Peter knows everything there is to know about DRJ and yet he's helping them find a girl who see's death before it happens. Something about this season (or maybe timeline) seems so unrealistic in their approach to problems at hand. I see it as lazy writing, but I guess it could speak to the hypothetical reality of this timeline. 

    Seriously it's on the scale of; Imagine 9-11 just happened yesterday, now imagine that all those Firemen, and first-responders , just up and left Manhattan, to go to an Apartment fire in New Jersey. Honestly? I really hope it speaks to something going on in this universe and not what it looks like. 

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  49. Ricky TerryJanuary 29, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    You somehow made this ep, way more interesting than I first thought it was. Great job DarthLocke4 

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  50. overandbackJanuary 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    I think your right about the production budget cuts,I've noticed that too. And with the new time line, I think it was a great idea to start with but pretty damm hard to carry out. After last weeks' episode. I thought things were finally going to work back towards "normal". Back to the old time line. Maybe they will.  But if this is the normal time line that an adult Peter never existed in I don't know how it'll go. As for a 5th. season, I'll keep on hoping there will be one. "It ain't over till it's over".

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  51. Ryan LoganJanuary 29, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    another great episode!! and the preview for next weeks looks AMAZING

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  52. DahneJanuary 29, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    I agree.  The placement of this episode was awkward because it didn't advance any of the momentum the show built up in the last 2 episodes, not even tangentially.  I thought it might connect to the Observer's warning to Olivia but even that fizzled.  I understand the need for standalone episodes especially from a get more viewers standpoint, but this wasn't even a particularly good standalone.

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  53. DahneJanuary 29, 2012 at 8:54 PM

    I'm wondering if the show is setting us up to think Nina is the main villain, but instead she turns up being on the side of good in a great mind twist.  I certainly hope she has a good motive because right now it seems like she has been using Olivia from the start.  

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  54. LouJanuary 29, 2012 at 9:00 PM

    On Fringe things are rarely what they seem and Nina being the main villain seems a little too obvious right now. So yeah I hope she is doing all of this for a very good reason, I wonder if she has knowledge about future events and is acting this way because she has to.  I would hate to see Olivia be broken by the motherly figure in her life.

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  55. DarqueModeJanuary 29, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    I noticed that about Peter tossing that out too!

    I was wondering when he came to the conclusion and if he knew why it never came out in the previous seasons. Maybe after experiencing being inside the Machine he recognized the Observers for what they are? OR more accurately he recognized how they are able to do what they do.

    If some people's theories are correct that the Machine is Observer tech or related to the Observer's evolution, then Peter realizing the how or why of the Observers after being in the Machine does make some sense I guess.... Maybe.

    It still threw me for a loop though!

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  56. DahneJanuary 29, 2012 at 9:06 PM

    I've been wondering if she has a connection to the Observers we don't know about.  If she's evil merely for money or power, I'm going to be sorely disappointed.  I find Nina intriguing.

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  57. DarqueModeJanuary 29, 2012 at 9:09 PM

    This universe or timeline certainly does appear to be pushing villainy onto Nina!

    I always took her as a believer of "The ends justify the means" soldier willing to keep secrets or promote "inhumane" experiments for the greater good of the universe. I guess this timeline's Nina could be doing the same thing and the pieces are not yet in place to reveal her as "fighting the good fight" against this new Big Bad who appears in Episode 4.15.....

    Right now though she seems to be behind a lot of the things we consider to be bad....

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  58. LouJanuary 29, 2012 at 9:18 PM

    I was thinking that it would be a neat twist and yeah I'd rather that than her just wanting power

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  59. Ricky TerryJanuary 29, 2012 at 11:58 PM

    I'm gonna call it a stop-sign episode. It literally made the narrative come to a complete halt, then it seems they decided to take a right for some reason. Sounds like one of my dad's famous "short-cuts". I'll tell you that those short-cuts usually ended up with us late to a party, and missing something good. think about it...

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  60. DarthLocke4January 30, 2012 at 12:14 AM

    I think they need a little time to let this 'fate' issue sit with us. The Fringe team can't just ignore a case either...:p

    I am not saying that in a way it seems out of place...the momentum of the bigger story line is played down. When I watched it, I wasn't over joyed with it, except that the noise Emily hears reminded me [again] of "Contact" (which is def one of my favorite movies)...it wasn't till I let the ideas in sit with me over night, that I felt the episode had a lot to offer in terms of course correction, role fulfillment, and questions about these things. 

    But I think most of us are ready to dive in a little closer to Jones and continue the story line with the shapeshifters...

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  61. DarthLocke4January 30, 2012 at 12:24 AM

    Besides the maybe time travel aspect, I was thinking about the Spanish Flew again. Some know I sometimes parallel Peter Bishop to Desmond David Hume...In Lost both me and another member, Spooky, came to believe in multiple iterations of time lines for several different reasons...Mine was reading into the termonology and listening to Faraday. But Spooky could parallel Desmond and LOST to "Red Dwarf" and he created the "Ho Ho Ho" theory...at any rate Red Dwarf also featured "a virus"...Over on Seriable, because of this, I sort of guessed that there might be something relating to a big virus...Now Obviously we don't know what the flu means, if it's because September had recently time traveled there, or that part of the Observers anatomy relies on this flu...

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  62. DahneJanuary 30, 2012 at 12:29 AM

    Ha!  I like that.  They definitely went in a different direction than most fans want, especially since the ratings are so iffy.  For me, this episode was more like a flat tire when you're in a rush.  It takes up precious time and doesn't get you any farther, but once you've gotten through it you can continue on your merry way.  Here's hoping for a strong tie into the larger mytharc from here on out.

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  63. Ricky TerryJanuary 30, 2012 at 12:29 AM

    I don't usually do this but...

    Today I broke out $5.26 and bought the digital comics DarthLocke4 is always speaking of, and the A story of all of them is about Peter and the machine,and is supposedly considered canon. Now I will say I am gonna have to re-read them to get some clarity but here is the gist of what I got from it:

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     2026 Peter (old Peter) got sucked into a wormhole just after the same happened to the machine, and his job was to locate all the machine parts, that apparently ripped apart from the machine as it went time-traveling each settling in a different era of time. As he located each part he had to take it to a marker. After he took it to a marker he would soon be pulled into another time-period. Along the way he sees and interacts with a pre-incarnation of Olivia in ancient Greece. He also comes into contact with The first Sam Weiss, whom he gives the job of protecting the machine parts, and the "Journal" so apparently Peter is the one who drew the prophecy drawings, and wrote the manuscript (it was his journal, all his thoughts and emotions during his time-travels). He also runs into September while on his quest, and in doing September helps convince him to take himself out of the equation of the two universes. This is where 2026 Peter finds out he had a kid named Henry, he finds this out while viewing what the future could have been like for Henry had that universe not gotten destroyed. September makes him see that if he really loves these people then he has to choose both universes, and not one or the other. 2026 Peter then confronts his 2011 self that is outside of time due to the machine hook-up, he tells 2011 Peter what will happen if he doesn't make the right choice, he convinces his younger self to bridge the two universes, this as we saw merged the two, and pulled Peter out, because according to Sept. Peter is the problem, his being there is the issue. There is more but this is the gist. 

    The reason I said all that is to say that September was out of time with 2026, and 2011 Peter(s), and he was sort of guiding him toward the end, so I have to guess that off the page Peter asked him more about himself. 

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  64. DahneJanuary 30, 2012 at 12:33 AM

    I think the real issue is that with Fringe's future so up in the air, every episode that doesn't head toward a satisfying conclusion seems like time you can't afford to waste.  This episode would have been fine for me if it were a few months earlier.  Now there is so much more to deal with and it's frustrating to lose an episode at this juncture.  For me this was like Supernatural season 3 where there were only 4 episodes left after the writer's strike.  Using 3 of them for stories that could have been told at any time frustrated me to no end and made them my least favorite episodes.

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  65. DahneJanuary 30, 2012 at 12:37 AM

    I'm good with Nina doing bad things with good intentions.  Like you said, it fits what we know about her.  I'm hoping though that I see her ultimate goal as a worthy reason to betray Olivia.  I think it was telling that after Olivia practically called Nina her mother, Nina's response was soup.  

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  66. DahneJanuary 30, 2012 at 12:57 AM

    I'm good with Nina doing bad things with good intentions.  Like you said, it fits what we know about her.  I'm hoping though that I see her ultimate goal as a worthy reason to betray Olivia.  I think it was telling that after Olivia practically called Nina her mother, Nina's response was soup.  

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  67. DarqueModeJanuary 30, 2012 at 1:33 AM

    Interesting... I may have to check out the comics too. I  can rationalize it as being e-books if I read them online! XD

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  68. Ricky TerryJanuary 30, 2012 at 1:55 AM

    They're cheap too, $.99 apiece. I bought all of them at just over 5 bucks. You can only read them online, or on certain e-readers. I am wondering if they are done, or if they will be making more?

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  69. DarkUFOJanuary 30, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    March 7th "Peter and the Machine" will be printed!

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  70. DarkUFOJanuary 31, 2012 at 12:33 AM

    This was okay but seemed like a filler episode.  I get the purpose of the case was to get Olivia to contemplate the role of fate, destiny, etc. in her life but it would have been nice if the case was more important to the show's current story arc.

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  71. DarkUFOJanuary 31, 2012 at 4:40 PM

    A very good episode.

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