Sam will be devastated but it will totally destroy Dean. Sam is wanting free and understands that Sam is grown and needs that. He's lost Cas. He's already told Bobby on the cell in episode two that if Bobby is dead, he intends to take Sam and kill them both. Dean can't take anymore. We just can't lose Bobby.
Bobby will live. Mostly because this is too repetitive to John's death scene in the hospital and because it's not just Dean who has been through enough. All the fans have too. I can see them taking Bobby out of commission for a little while but he won't die. I also don't think we're in for another Crowley deal. There have been too many demon deals already. Not sure how it will work out but it will work out. It would be a refreshing change if he healed naturally and nothing supernatural saved the day.
No season finale here but these next two weeks are going to seem like a full-fledged midseason hellatus for me. It may be worse than the actual hiatus is given that Supernatural returns much sooner than I think it ever has.
You know... Sam's not zen about Bobby's condition like he seems to be about his own problems aka his Hell memories. Sam's going to be just as destroyed as Dean here. Sam loves Bobby just as much as Dean does and Dean isn't the only one who's lost Cas either. Why do people always focus on poor Dean and poor Dean is going to lose it and poor Dean is gonna fall apart, but Sam's a big boy! He'll be okay! But Dean, well Dean just can't take anymore. *shakes head* Sam's a human being who loves too, and he loves Bobby and if they lose Bobby, it's going to affect him as well, if not push him off the edge where his sanity is concerned considering Lucifer is still hanging out in the hallucination station.
Based on the synopsis, I think Bobby will have some coma-dream thing (That's how he'll maybe see Rufus) while Sam and Dean will go on some on-the-clock mission for a reaper in order to save him.
come on, she did say : "Sam will be devastated". But it is as it is, Dean IS the weaker one so yea, Sam would probably find a way to cope with it but dean?? HAHAH I wanna see that happen!!!!
Besides, actually it's the writer who seem to focus on (poor) Dean and not the how you probably like to call them "Dean- girls".
Do you remember the episode in the third season, when Dean and Sam entered a Bobby's dream? Maybe in happens again, so he would be rescued from it succsesfully with out someone have to die for him.
Honestly, I'd rather Sam start developing some of his own friends and his own story rather than having the writers try to force all of Dean's relationships on Sam. I was never really feeling it between Bobby and Sam. We can all dream, right?
My prediction - this is what Dean's "losing everything" arc is building to. I could see it going two ways. First is Bobby dies and Dean out of grief and desperation does something he normally wouldn't do that has far reaching supernatural consequences. Second is bobby is in s conference and Dedn does something desperate to save him.
The boys look scared and Sam looks so tired and worried. I hope someone can save Bobby cause I don't want to lose him either! Ho hum. No episode this upcoming week and waiting 2 weeks in suspense is going to be hard. But, at least there is NO episode being aired (at least where I live) and I am kind of relieved because I will be out of town for the holiday weekend and I can sometimes get the CW but most of the time no. Usually, the season premiere is aired over the holiday weekend and I don't want to miss that again. Maybe it will be aired during the winter break. The break won't be half as long as usual this time around and I am so glad! Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
nooooo! so is this going to be an episode entirely focused on Bobby? not that I'm complaining, of course, I just wonder what the featured creature of the week will be if they need to work off some of the stress of waiting or something
Well of course Sam would find a way to cope! Want to know why? Because if Bobby dies, then the writers will probably forget all about the fact that Sam is grieving for him too, just like they did with John. Didn't you know that? The writers admitted that they actually DID forget the fact that John was Sam's father too, and that he was grieving over his dad's death too. And when they did remember, it was too late.
And actually, yes, you're right, it is the writers, but it's also the "Dean girls" or whatever because all I see from them is "poor Dean! Oh, Dean can't cope! Dean's not going to be able to handle this! Dean this and Dean that and blah blah blah, etc..." and in not one place do I see a "Poor Dean AND Sam" because they could care less for Sam because the writers could care less for Sam. See how that works?
Sam developing his own friends and stories? My friend, it's a passing fantasy for us all that would love to see more for Sam. The writers don't have enough respect for Sam to even go there.
Also why does this friggin' page make me sign in with twitter EVERY SINGLE TIME with 3 or 4 comments I posted in last 10 minutes WITHOUT logging out of twitter???!
Sam is so freaking STRONG it is just out of this world, to spend 150 years in Lucifers cage and still hold it together for Dean and Bobby. He is seriously ridiculously strong. I am so proud of him.
A Lot of Samgirls are complaining that Sam never had any stories in the last year (or ever) and a lot of Deangirls are complaining that Dean never had any stories in the last year (or ever). It's been like that since the beginning and will always be like that^^;
I don't buy into the theory that if both sides are complaining then everything must be perfect. What's more likely is that there is some truth to both sides. What I'm hearing from the vocal Dean girls is that they don't like the stories that Dean has gotten (Lisa/Ben, trying to save Sam, etc.). The Sam girls (myself included) are saying that we have no clue anymore what Sam is thinking or feeling and when he gets a story it tends to be dropped before it's barely explored.
My suggestion would be to write Dean as less needy and give him some more wins, start staring telling the story in a more balanced way from both brothers' point of views, and put some thought into how Sam's story could forward.
I never said it was perfect, but if both side are saying that ONLY the other side has a storyline, its cause they at least have something.
I'm not talking about the fans saying both characters need more that or that, i'm talking about the person complaining that their character never have anything, but both side are saying that the other characters has the whole storyline. Not the same thing. 9 time out of 10, the complains are, sadly, more about that than the problems for both like you say
A lot of Sam-Dean girls only want their character to have 100% of the screentime and complain for every second the other one get. If it was truth that one was getting 100% of the time, the fangirls of the one ''who's getting 100% of the screentime'' wouldn't complain that we never see their favorite
Thank you for saying this! I'm so frikken tired of it all being about Dean's pain... it'll destroy Dean.... Dean can't take it. The scene clearly shows that Sam loves Bobby, too, he's just never allowed to be as demonstrative as Dean is. Sam's never wanted to even intrude on Bobby/Dean's private moments... the scene where Sam hesitates to enter the room where Bobby has awakened in DALDOM and is talking quietly to Dean proves that.
To Chris (post currently below): The boys "grew up" around Bobby (last night's episode, AVSC) - both boys, not only Dean. Both boys have relationships with Bobby, so it's not the writers "forcing all of Dean's relationships on Sam",.
" The boys "grew up" around Bobby (last night's episode, AVSC) - both boys, not only Dean."They didn't, really. They went through most of season 1 when their father was missing without going to Bobby for help. When they did contact him, they didn't seem like they knew him very well - like he was a friend of their father's who they hadn't seen in a few years, not someone who was like another father to them. When Meg targeted John's friends, she went for Pastor Jim and Caleb - no one mentioned Bobby. This whole father thing is recon.After their father died and the hell/apocalypse events started heating up, it made sense that they got to know Bobby a little better. Dean started confiding in Bobby even more when he was growing apart from Sam and Sam was confiding in Ruby. Dean had a lot of Daddy issues with John, so it makes sense that he started looking at Bobby as a father figure. Sam's substitute father was Dean growing up, and when he was older he was pretty independent. So no, we never saw the same type of closeness that existed between Dean and Bobby onscreen between Sam and Bobby. When Sam came back from Hell soulless, Bobby couldn't even tell that Sam was different. As I said, Bobby as a father figure makes sense for Dean, but it doesn't make sense for Sam. I'd like to see Sam have some close friends that make sense for his character.
What do you mean? There are lots of shows with ensemble casts that do a really good job of showcasing a number of character's stories: NCIS, Friends, Lost, Vampire Diaries. Some of these may technically have one or two leads, but it's really hard to tell who they are just from watching the show. If SPN seriously can't figure out how to tell more than one story within a ten-episode span, then it's got some real problems in the writing department.
John technically died in a hospital bed surrounded by machines and doctors with the brothers looking on. The situation with Bobby looks just like that to me.
I was actually the other way, the previews made last night's episode look like another average episode much like this season but it turned out better than I expected. Always go in with low expectations.
Come on, haven't the boys been through and lost enough?? D: If he does die (PLEASE NO) it might be too much. Sam is still having hellvision, and Dean seems near suicidal...he's Tired Of It All (again!) and Bobby's death might push one or both of them over the edge. (It's a miracle they're still mostly sane after all they've been through.) Dean, I think, is closer to Bobby, but Sam loves him too... Come on! Please don't die, Bobby.
(and omg, how long is this mini-hellatus going to be? Two weeks??? A month? When does this episode air? Next week?)
I thought John had died when Sam went to get coffee. The final scene was just the staff unsuccessfully trying to resuscitate him. Either way, it doesn't really matter. Bobby will die if the writers have decided it's his time.
Does the background music sound like Placebo's cover of Running Up That Hill to anyone else? Could this be a clue as to the direction the plot will take i.e. deals being struck? I kind of hope not, it's extremely repetitive. But the music is sticking in my head.
The PTB are trying to torture us and they are doing a hella good job. I can't take the waiting and I am gonna loose it if Bobby dies. These boys have lost too much. We need our Bobby.
This looks pretty damn amazing to me! I fervently hope that Bobby does not die. Also, while it sucks that we have to wait two weeks before we find out what happens, at least last night wasn't the mid-season finale. I wouldn't be able to cope with a month of not knowing what happens to Bobby.
Really, you say the Vampire Diaries is an ensemble cast? NO,there is Elena, there is Damon and there is Stefan, everyone else is there under developed and clueless and under utilized, even Elena at times seems useless. As for friends, if you think long and hard enough, everything can all be traced back to Rachel. But I agree about NCIS, even if McGhee is a bit of a Jimmy Olsen (but hey even he had his own comic st one point and time, too).
Your comment about Friends is funny because I was thinking about that, and I would have gone with Monica. The show started with her (Rachel was her old college friend), Ross was pulled in because he was her brother, and a lot of the scenes took place in her apartment. Anyway, this proves that there's no one clear star of Friends.
As for the VD, I agree that Elena, Stefan and Damon are the leads, but ScottA's post said there can't be more than one. His point was that a show can't even split the focus between two characters. If the VD does this with three characters, that's one more than I'm asking for with SPN.
I don't know, I mean really it started of with just two brothers and everybody this season has been all nostalgic about "classic" SPN, a good old fashioned salt and burn and what not. I can not really comment on that b/c I jumped in mid=season 3. I'm definitely a Sam girl but I get Dean. Dean's the older brother. He has taken care of Sam. That's his identity. He's also a hunter. We haven't seen any hunters who are well-adjusted and leading normal lives in between hunts. He dragged his little brother into it so he wouldn't have to be alone. I really think that is THE story, Sam is just a plot device, or at least that how is how it has always felt to me. He was the one that yellow eyes pretty much ruined. I guess that's why John treated him the way he did (besides being a drunk that it). Sam is pretty much the reason his mother died and maybe John just resented him for that and that's why he let parenting duties fall to Dean who is only like what 4 years older than him? My interpretation of Sam is that he never really felt like he had a family (just my interpretation of him running away). Also when they were in heaven and he had that dog, that was his happiest time, can support my theory as well. It's all speculation. But what it boils down to me is that we have way too many cooks in the kitchen and not enough servers. Meaning, I prefer for just a few writers who have been there since the beginning to do the writing, the ones That know the characters inside and out, know the actors, the creator and the show runners.
The funny thing to all of this is the pilot started out from Sam's POV. We saw a little bit of Sam's world and how Dean dragging him back out hunting affected Sam's life.
Anyway, I'm struggling with trying to wrap my head around how anyone (outside of a few extreme fans) think that the show is richer being about just one person. I much prefer an ensemble show, but in this case it should be a show about brothers and their relationship, not just about about one person. And to tell a story about a relationship, you need to show both sides because there are always two points of view.
I do, thanks. But what's watching "Glee" got to do with whether I should agree that Friday's episode of "Supernatural" was any good? Trying to be cool didn't make your point, did it?
I agree that the "Bobby Thing" was a minor retcon because the show couldn't get Loretta Devine to reprise "Missouri" in the S1 Finale. (Meg could have targeted Missouri, too, but she didn't even mention Missouri in Salvation). But once the show introduced "Bobby" and made several subsequent references to him taking care of Sam and Dean when they were younger the show made "Bobby" canon.
And yes, I agree, that Sam needs other friends and relatives that he can form closer bonds with as well as with Dean - I thought that's one purpose of introducing the "Campbell cousins"; I thought Christian was "refreshing" in that he disliked Dean. Not every character, even if they are blood relatives, has to like Sam and Dean equally (particularly non - "first degree" relatives). But the show killed all of them off!
So who is Sam supposed to bond with other than Dean when the show won't introduce "friend" characters for Sam and evidently Sam is not allowed as strong a bond with Bobby that Dean has?
I remember seeing the hole in Bobby's hat and just bursting out screaming and whaling and crying. HE BETTER BE OKAY! I SWEAR TO GOD, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Dean has lost enough! Dean lost Lisa and Ben, then lost Castiel his best friend, then had to put away the Impala - their home, then had to have crappy living conditions, and deal with Crowley and the Leviathan at the same time - DEAN'S ALREADY ON THE VERGE OF SUICIDE, IF HE LOST BOBBY, I JUST DON'T THINK HE'D BE ABLE TO TAKE IT!
Interesting thought. Do you think she may have been a Reaper or under the control of "The Reaper"? The nurse just doesn't bump into Dean, looking closely at the promo she appears to put her hand on Dean,enough for him to react a little more than if she just innocently bumped into him because it was a crowded hallway. We know from spoilers that there's a Reaper in this episode - do we know if the Reaper is "male" or female? IMDB lists "Chelah Horsdal" on the 7.10 cast list - from her photo she *could be* the nurse (who also could be a Reaper). Possibly scratch that...she's listed as a "cute librarian".
It's the heavy background beat that would remind you of that song ( funny as i was only listening to it about 5 min before i got onto this link.) but the melody isn't the same. I had the same thought when i first heard it, but alas... Though i really would love to know what song it is.
Well, I don't necessarily think that Bobby's death would hurt one brother more than the other. It might be more a matter of how much one brother will allow it to sink him, versus the other.
The way I see it, Sam has always had better coping mechanisms than Dean (demon blood addiction notwithstanding). He's always tried reaching out and dealing with his feelings, rather than burying them like Dean does. He has healthier ways of coping. And as we can see by the way he's handling being BROKEN in Hell to the point of having daytime flashbacks, Sam is working very hard to be as functional as he can be. I think that kind of necessitates having a level head, not allowing his feelings to rule him.
So Dean *might* take Bobby's death harder (if it happens -- which I'm hoping it won't), but that would be because he has the luxury to let it hurt him more. He can wallow, whereas Sam HAS to be strong if he wants to be able to keep going.
Wow, that sounds like I'm saying that Dean isn't strong. Lord knows he's carried a lot for a long time. But it seems like the straw may have broken the camel's back this time (Castiel) and Dean's kind of done coping.
Sorry I missed your reply. Let's just wait and see. The writers realized they forgot about Sam back in Season 2, I'm sure they're not gonna do the same mistake again
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OH GOD, BOBBY. PLEASE DON'T DIE.
ReplyDelete;-; COME ON Dec. 2, come FASTER
ReplyDeleteseason finale ?????? I hope they mid-season finale because thats crazy if this season only has 11 episodes
ReplyDeleteI think we're all missing the mid. It's definitely not the season finale.
ReplyDeleteIf Bobby dies I will kill him.
ReplyDeleteDamn it, Bobby better not die.
ReplyDeleteBOBBY!!! PLEASE NOT BOBBY, HAVEN'T SAM AND DEAN LOST ENOUGH ALREADY!
ReplyDeleteits mid-season finale
ReplyDeleteBOBBY!! NOOOOOO! :'(
ReplyDeletedead?
ReplyDeletesorry i dont understand.....!!!!
This reminds me of "In my Time of Dying"...hopefully Bobby will get the same ending thay Dean got in said episode.
ReplyDeleteSam will be devastated but it will totally destroy Dean. Sam is wanting free and understands that Sam is grown and needs that. He's lost Cas. He's already told Bobby on the cell in episode two that if Bobby is dead, he intends to take Sam and kill them both. Dean can't take anymore. We just can't lose Bobby.
ReplyDeleteThey meant mid season. The show has 23 episodes this season. It will start back up on January 6th.
ReplyDeleteTo get the same ending Dean did, someone has to die for him.
ReplyDeleteStop ruining my happy place.
ReplyDeleteLOL.
ReplyDeleteBobby will live. Mostly because this is too repetitive to John's death scene in the hospital and because it's not just Dean who has been through enough. All the fans have too. I can see them taking Bobby out of commission for a little while but he won't die. I also don't think we're in for another Crowley deal. There have been too many demon deals already. Not sure how it will work out but it will work out. It would be a refreshing change if he healed naturally and nothing supernatural saved the day.
ReplyDeleteNo season finale here but these next two weeks are going to seem like a full-fledged midseason hellatus for me. It may be worse than the actual hiatus is given that Supernatural returns much sooner than I think it ever has.
ReplyDeleteYou know... Sam's not zen about Bobby's condition like he seems to be about his own problems aka his Hell memories. Sam's going to be just as destroyed as Dean here. Sam loves Bobby just as much as Dean does and Dean isn't the only one who's lost Cas either. Why do people always focus on poor Dean and poor Dean is going to lose it and poor Dean is gonna fall apart, but Sam's a big boy! He'll be okay! But Dean, well Dean just can't take anymore. *shakes head* Sam's a human being who loves too, and he loves Bobby and if they lose Bobby, it's going to affect him as well, if not push him off the edge where his sanity is concerned considering Lucifer is still hanging out in the hallucination station.
ReplyDelete:o Gonna be another angsty episode, if it wasn't for Bobby I prob wouldn't watch next week :(
ReplyDeletewe know that a reaper is going to appear.... and bobby will see rufus... the synopsis says that bobby is going to be in a case.
ReplyDeleteCannot wait.......
ReplyDeleteBased on the synopsis, I think Bobby will have some coma-dream thing (That's how he'll maybe see Rufus) while Sam and Dean will go on some on-the-clock mission for a reaper in order to save him.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he is in way to Heaven or something like that...
ReplyDeletecome on, she did say : "Sam will be devastated". But it is as it is, Dean IS the weaker one so yea, Sam would probably find a way to cope with it but dean?? HAHAH I wanna see that happen!!!!
ReplyDeleteBesides, actually it's the writer who seem to focus on (poor) Dean and not the how you probably like to call them "Dean- girls".
Do you remember the episode in the third season, when Dean and Sam entered a Bobby's dream? Maybe in happens again, so he would be rescued from it succsesfully with out someone have to die for him.
ReplyDeletethe voice over actually says mid season finale. Why do people always overreact?!
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I'd rather Sam start developing some of his own friends and his own story rather than having the writers try to force all of Dean's relationships on Sam. I was never really feeling it between Bobby and Sam. We can all dream, right?
ReplyDeleteMy prediction - this is what Dean's "losing everything" arc is building to. I could see it going two ways. First is Bobby dies and Dean out of grief and desperation does something he normally wouldn't do that has far reaching supernatural consequences. Second is bobby is in s conference and Dedn does something desperate to save him.
ReplyDeletethe next 2 weeks are gonna be TORTURE!
ReplyDeleteThe boys look scared and Sam looks so tired and worried. I hope someone can save Bobby cause I don't want to lose him either!
ReplyDeleteHo hum. No episode this upcoming week and waiting 2 weeks in suspense is going to be hard. But, at least there is NO episode being aired (at least where I live) and I am kind of relieved because I will be out of town for the holiday weekend and I can sometimes get the CW but most of the time no. Usually, the season premiere is aired over the holiday weekend and I don't want to miss that again. Maybe it will be aired during the winter break. The break won't be half as long as usual this time around and I am so glad!
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
John died quickly when no one was around. Do you mean Dean's near death experience? In that case, Dean lived, so Bobby living would be similar.
ReplyDeletenooooo! so is this going to be an episode entirely focused on Bobby? not that I'm complaining, of course, I just wonder what the featured creature of the week will be if they need to work off some of the stress of waiting or something
ReplyDeleteDoesn't look too bad... Please, Bobby don't die.
ReplyDeleteWell of course Sam would find a way to cope! Want to know why? Because if Bobby dies, then the writers will probably forget all about the fact that Sam is grieving for him too, just like they did with John. Didn't you know that? The writers admitted that they actually DID forget the fact that John was Sam's father too, and that he was grieving over his dad's death too. And when they did remember, it was too late.
ReplyDeleteAnd actually, yes, you're right, it is the writers, but it's also the "Dean girls" or whatever because all I see from them is "poor Dean! Oh, Dean can't cope! Dean's not going to be able to handle this! Dean this and Dean that and blah blah blah, etc..." and in not one place do I see a "Poor Dean AND Sam" because they could care less for Sam because the writers could care less for Sam. See how that works?
Sam developing his own friends and stories? My friend, it's a passing fantasy for us all that would love to see more for Sam. The writers don't have enough respect for Sam to even go there.
ReplyDeletehahaha the title suites me like how i was on monday !
ReplyDeleteLooks like a good episode....but the previews made last night's episode look good too, and that was anything BUT.
ReplyDeleteIt's been coming for a while now but OH NOOOOOOOO!
ReplyDeleteAlso why does this friggin' page make me sign in with twitter EVERY SINGLE TIME with 3 or 4 comments I posted in last 10 minutes WITHOUT logging out of twitter???!
ReplyDeleteI KNOW!
ReplyDeleteOn another note? Mid season finale??! It'll be hellatus again! I dislike!
ReplyDeleteYes, but the good thing about this one? It only lasts from Dec 2nd-Jan 6th. Unlike last year's which was 2 months long. A lot shorter. ;)
ReplyDeleteSam is so freaking STRONG it is just out of this world, to spend 150 years in Lucifers cage and still hold it together for Dean and Bobby. He is seriously ridiculously strong. I am so proud of him.
ReplyDeleteI think most people LOVED last night's episode!
ReplyDeleteA Lot of Samgirls are complaining that Sam never had any stories in the last year (or ever) and a lot of Deangirls are complaining that Dean never had any stories in the last year (or ever). It's been like that since the beginning and will always be like that^^;
ReplyDeleteAnd that should mean what to me, exactly?
ReplyDeleteI don't buy into the theory that if both sides are complaining then everything must be perfect. What's more likely is that there is some truth to both sides. What I'm hearing from the vocal Dean girls is that they don't like the stories that Dean has gotten (Lisa/Ben, trying to save Sam, etc.). The Sam girls (myself included) are saying that we have no clue anymore what Sam is thinking or feeling and when he gets a story it tends to be dropped before it's barely explored.
ReplyDeleteMy suggestion would be to write Dean as less needy and give him some more wins, start staring telling the story in a more balanced way from both brothers' point of views, and put some thought into how Sam's story could forward.
I never said it was perfect, but if both side are saying that ONLY the other side has a storyline, its cause they at least have something.
ReplyDeleteI'm not talking about the fans saying both characters need more that or that, i'm talking about the person complaining that their character never have anything, but both side are saying that the other characters has the whole storyline. Not the same thing. 9 time out of 10, the complains are, sadly, more about that than the problems for both like you say
A lot of Sam-Dean girls only want their character to have 100% of the screentime and complain for every second the other one get. If it was truth that one was getting 100% of the time, the fangirls of the one ''who's getting 100% of the screentime'' wouldn't complain that we never see their favorite
No no no no no no no!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not Bobby!!!!!!!!! this show has managed to kill off everyone we love, not Bobby!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteNononononononononono.....
ReplyDeleteBobby aint' dieing... He Is NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeletego watch glee lol
ReplyDeleteThank you for saying this! I'm so frikken tired of it all being about Dean's pain... it'll destroy Dean.... Dean can't take it. The scene clearly shows that Sam loves Bobby, too, he's just never allowed to be as demonstrative as Dean is. Sam's never wanted to even intrude on Bobby/Dean's private moments... the scene where Sam hesitates to enter the room where Bobby has awakened in DALDOM and is talking quietly to Dean proves that.
ReplyDeleteTo Chris (post currently below): The boys "grew up" around Bobby (last night's episode, AVSC) - both boys, not only Dean. Both boys have relationships with Bobby, so it's not the writers "forcing all of Dean's relationships on Sam",.
I definitely heard "Season Finale", too... it's not true and we know it's not but I'm not feeling much "CW love" for SPN at the moment.
ReplyDelete" The boys "grew up" around Bobby (last night's episode, AVSC) - both boys, not only Dean."They didn't, really. They went through most of season 1 when their father was missing without going to Bobby for help. When they did contact him, they didn't seem like they knew him very well - like he was a friend of their father's who they hadn't seen in a few years, not someone who was like another father to them. When Meg targeted John's friends, she went for Pastor Jim and Caleb - no one mentioned Bobby. This whole father thing is recon.After their father died and the hell/apocalypse events started heating up, it made sense that they got to know Bobby a little better. Dean started confiding in Bobby even more when he was growing apart from Sam and Sam was confiding in Ruby. Dean had a lot of Daddy issues with John, so it makes sense that he started looking at Bobby as a father figure. Sam's substitute father was Dean growing up, and when he was older he was pretty independent. So no, we never saw the same type of closeness that existed between Dean and Bobby onscreen between Sam and Bobby. When Sam came back from Hell soulless, Bobby couldn't even tell that Sam was different. As I said, Bobby as a father figure makes sense for Dean, but it doesn't make sense for Sam. I'd like to see Sam have some close friends that make sense for his character.
ReplyDeleteEven MASH couldn't support TWO lead characters. Someone has to play second fiddle. It just happens to be Sam.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you mean? There are lots of shows with ensemble casts that do a really good job of showcasing a number of character's stories: NCIS, Friends, Lost, Vampire Diaries. Some of these may technically have one or two leads, but it's really hard to tell who they are just from watching the show. If SPN seriously can't figure out how to tell more than one story within a ten-episode span, then it's got some real problems in the writing department.
ReplyDeleteJohn technically died in a hospital bed surrounded by machines and doctors with the brothers looking on. The situation with Bobby looks just like that to me.
ReplyDeleteNot next week, actually, it doesn't show until the week after next.
ReplyDeleteI was actually the other way, the previews made last night's episode look like another average episode much like this season but it turned out better than I expected. Always go in with low expectations.
ReplyDeleteOMG BOBBY NO NOT BOBBY. YOU CAN'T KILL BOBBY!
ReplyDeleteCome on, haven't the boys been through and lost enough?? D: If he does die (PLEASE NO) it might be too much. Sam is still having hellvision, and Dean seems near suicidal...he's Tired Of It All (again!) and Bobby's death might push one or both of them over the edge. (It's a miracle they're still mostly sane after all they've been through.) Dean, I think, is closer to Bobby, but Sam loves him too... Come on! Please don't die, Bobby.
(and omg, how long is this mini-hellatus going to be? Two weeks??? A month? When does this episode air? Next week?)
I thought John had died when Sam went to get coffee. The final scene was just the staff unsuccessfully trying to resuscitate him. Either way, it doesn't really matter. Bobby will die if the writers have decided it's his time.
ReplyDeleteDoes the background music sound like Placebo's cover of Running Up That Hill to anyone else? Could this be a clue as to the direction the plot will take i.e. deals being struck? I kind of hope not, it's extremely repetitive. But the music is sticking in my head.
ReplyDeleteActually we get an extra episode this year so 24 episodes and yes thankfully it starts back Jan 6
ReplyDeleteThe PTB are trying to torture us and they are doing a hella good job. I can't take the waiting and I am gonna loose it if Bobby dies. These boys have lost too much. We need our Bobby.
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ReplyDeleteThis looks pretty damn amazing to me! I fervently hope that Bobby does not die. Also, while it sucks that we have to wait two weeks before we find out what happens, at least last night wasn't the mid-season finale. I wouldn't be able to cope with a month of not knowing what happens to Bobby.
ReplyDeleteAnd down goes Bobby! SPN is really trying their best to break Dean, emotionally.
ReplyDeleteReally, you say the Vampire Diaries is an ensemble cast? NO,there is Elena, there is Damon and there is Stefan, everyone else is there under developed and clueless and under utilized, even Elena at times seems useless. As for friends, if you think long and hard enough, everything can all be traced back to Rachel. But I agree about NCIS, even if McGhee is a bit of a Jimmy Olsen (but hey even he had his own comic st one point and time, too).
ReplyDeleteYour comment about Friends is funny because I was thinking about that, and I would have gone with Monica. The show started with her (Rachel was her old college friend), Ross was pulled in because he was her brother, and a lot of the scenes took place in her apartment. Anyway, this proves that there's no one clear star of Friends.
ReplyDeleteAs for the VD, I agree that Elena, Stefan and Damon are the leads, but ScottA's post said there can't be more than one. His point was that a show can't even split the focus between two characters. If the VD does this with three characters, that's one more than I'm asking for with SPN.
I don't know, I mean really it started of with just two brothers and everybody this season has been all nostalgic about "classic" SPN, a good old fashioned salt and burn and what not. I can not really comment on that b/c I jumped in mid=season 3. I'm definitely a Sam girl but I get Dean. Dean's the older brother. He has taken care of Sam. That's his identity. He's also a hunter. We haven't seen any hunters who are well-adjusted and leading normal lives in between hunts. He dragged his little brother into it so he wouldn't have to be alone. I really think that is THE story, Sam is just a plot device, or at least that how is how it has always felt to me. He was the one that yellow eyes pretty much ruined. I guess that's why John treated him the way he did (besides being a drunk that it). Sam is pretty much the reason his mother died and maybe John just resented him for that and that's why he let parenting duties fall to Dean who is only like what 4 years older than him? My interpretation of Sam is that he never really felt like he had a family (just my interpretation of him running away). Also when they were in heaven and he had that dog, that was his happiest time, can support my theory as well. It's all speculation. But what it boils down to me is that we have way too many cooks in the kitchen and not enough servers. Meaning, I prefer for just a few writers who have been there since the beginning to do the writing, the ones That know the characters inside and out, know the actors, the creator and the show runners.
ReplyDeleteThe funny thing to all of this is the pilot started out from Sam's POV. We saw a little bit of Sam's world and how Dean dragging him back out hunting affected Sam's life.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I'm struggling with trying to wrap my head around how anyone (outside of a few extreme fans) think that the show is richer being about just one person. I much prefer an ensemble show, but in this case it should be a show about brothers and their relationship, not just about about one person. And to tell a story about a relationship, you need to show both sides because there are always two points of view.
I do, thanks. But what's watching "Glee" got to do with whether I should agree that Friday's episode of "Supernatural" was any good? Trying to be cool didn't make your point, did it?
ReplyDeleteI agree that the "Bobby Thing" was a minor retcon because the show couldn't get Loretta Devine to reprise "Missouri" in the S1 Finale. (Meg could have targeted Missouri, too, but she didn't even mention Missouri in Salvation). But once the show introduced "Bobby" and made several subsequent references to him taking care of Sam and Dean when they were younger the show made "Bobby" canon.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, I agree, that Sam needs other friends and relatives that he can form closer bonds with as well as with Dean - I thought that's one purpose of introducing the "Campbell cousins"; I thought Christian was "refreshing" in that he disliked Dean. Not every character, even if they are blood relatives, has to like Sam and Dean equally (particularly non - "first degree" relatives). But the show killed all of them off!
So who is Sam supposed to bond with other than Dean when the show won't introduce "friend" characters for Sam and evidently Sam is not allowed as strong a bond with Bobby that Dean has?
Sorry - Do. Not. Want. Cas back from the dead. The angel story line had it's day, now it's time for it to be finished.
ReplyDeleteI am sure Bobby will be fine.... him being near death is an excuse to bring in the grim repaer (and maybe the return of death?).
ReplyDeleteThey can't really get rid of Castiel and Bobby before the mid season point can they?!
Bobby better not die! This looks like such a sad ep.
ReplyDeleteI remember seeing the hole in Bobby's hat and just bursting out screaming and whaling and crying. HE BETTER BE OKAY! I SWEAR TO GOD, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Dean has lost enough! Dean lost Lisa and Ben, then lost Castiel his best friend, then had to put away the Impala - their home, then had to have crappy living conditions, and deal with Crowley and the Leviathan at the same time - DEAN'S ALREADY ON THE VERGE OF SUICIDE, IF HE LOST BOBBY, I JUST DON'T THINK HE'D BE ABLE TO TAKE IT!
ReplyDeleteI can't help but think that nurse bumping into Dean is significant in some way.
ReplyDeleteInteresting thought. Do you think she may have been a Reaper or under the control of "The Reaper"? The nurse just doesn't bump into Dean, looking closely at the promo she appears to put her hand on Dean,enough for him to react a little more than if she just innocently bumped into him because it was a crowded hallway. We know from spoilers that there's a Reaper in this episode - do we know if the Reaper is "male" or female? IMDB lists "Chelah Horsdal" on the 7.10 cast list - from her photo she *could be* the nurse (who also could be a Reaper). Possibly scratch that...she's listed as a "cute librarian".
ReplyDeleteIt's the heavy background beat that would remind you of that song ( funny as i was only listening to it about 5 min before i got onto this link.) but the melody isn't the same. I had the same thought when i first heard it, but alas... Though i really would love to know what song it is.
ReplyDeleteI hope someone can save Bobby because I don't want to lose him!
ReplyDeleteI,m gonna CRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeletethe guy really said MID season finale if you listen more carefully
ReplyDeleteWell, I don't necessarily think that Bobby's death would hurt one brother more than the other. It might be more a matter of how much one brother will allow it to sink him, versus the other.
ReplyDeleteThe way I see it, Sam has always had better coping mechanisms than Dean (demon blood addiction notwithstanding). He's always tried reaching out and dealing with his feelings, rather than burying them like Dean does. He has healthier ways of coping. And as we can see by the way he's handling being BROKEN in Hell to the point of having daytime flashbacks, Sam is working very hard to be as functional as he can be. I think that kind of necessitates having a level head, not allowing his feelings to rule him.
So Dean *might* take Bobby's death harder (if it happens -- which I'm hoping it won't), but that would be because he has the luxury to let it hurt him more. He can wallow, whereas Sam HAS to be strong if he wants to be able to keep going.
Wow, that sounds like I'm saying that Dean isn't strong. Lord knows he's carried a lot for a long time. But it seems like the straw may have broken the camel's back this time (Castiel) and Dean's kind of done coping.
I dunno... Ignore me.
Thank God it's almost Friday!
ReplyDeleteSorry I missed your reply. Let's just wait and see. The writers realized they forgot about Sam back in Season 2, I'm sure they're not gonna do the same mistake again
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