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Nov 21, 2011

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  1. klutzy_girlNovember 21, 2011 at 3:01 AM

    Loved it! Maggie and Hershel's reactions to the zombies are annoying. THEY ARE DEAD AND NOT THE PEOPLE YOU KNEW.

    Really, Andrea and Shane? Car sex in the middle of nowhere? Really?

    Ugh at Dale getting all mad at Shane. YOU HAVE NO CLAIM TO HER.

    Lori, Plan B doesn't work like that. And really at Rick's reaction to her possibly aborting the baby? REALLY? Plus, she had a point. And how did he take the "Shane might be the dad" thing better than the possible abortion? How does that at all make sense?

    And give up on finding Sophia already.

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  2. ATANovember 21, 2011 at 3:15 AM

    I thought it was ok hopefully the midseason finale will be good 

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  3. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 3:17 AM

    Hershel's farm is really screwed up... Dayum!

    I mean I can see Hershel's religious and humanitarian thought process, but after not breathing for months and months, even if the walkers were to be "cured" with some vaccine they would be brain damaged beyond all recognition - if not outright dead. The cure that kills!  Worse yet... imagine all the wannabe self-help gurus with their 'I used to be a zombie, but now I'm Feeling Human Again' books! The horror!

    Andrea is stepping up somewhat, but still one moody sharpshooter - who just happens to be turned on by killing things. Always a healthy trait to look for in a lover... Go Shane! XD

    Lori has serious decisions weighing on her.... wow! Good performance tonight. Instead of the usual somewhat one-note mama bear we got a layered performance with fear, self-loathing, hatred, hopelessness, anxiety, indecision. Nice job.

    Rick is the most well-balanced sane person ever! I mean his kid is recovering from being shot, his wife attempted to abort her pregnancy before changing her mind, not to mention she did not even tell him until he confronted her with proof in hand.... then she admits to sleeping with his best friend and Rick still has the emotional strength to give her a pass because she thought he was dead and the world went to hell. Why do I think Lori will be holding this against him later and complaining he did not get angry enough? * face palm*

    Dale is a nice guy, but he seriously needs to step back and stop getting in people's bizniz!  No one like's a busybody!

    I'm no gun nut, hell I don't even care for guns much, but in a zombie apocalypse I'm training my kids to shoot a gun! Seriously!

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  4. MSWeimerNovember 21, 2011 at 3:19 AM

    Shane and Andrea - Yeah I called it ... if I can do that, you're shit is obvious.

    Oh. Fuck. Me. moment of the week - the pharmacy zombie.  As soon as she went back there I set down the remote to prevent any damage ... I still screamed at the tv though.

    The "Judgemental Bitch Award" this week goes to .... Maggie .... Glen just saved your ass.  Who asked you to go anyway?  Go feed your mom and get off your high horse.

    First runner up ... Dale.  He's like the nosy busy body in town ... all up in everyone's business.  You're gonna live a lot longer if you just sit back and mind your own.

    Barely any Daryl this week :( 

    Barely and Carol this week :)

    Rick ... let me make sure I got this right - it's OK that your wife bumped uglies with your best friend and is potentially pregnant with his baby but not telling him you were preggers was a capitol offense?  Yeah, that hurts my brain just pondering it so I'm gonna stop trying to figure out how you prioritize because it's just weird.

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  5. RobertAriadneNovember 21, 2011 at 3:23 AM

     Some random thoughts (language warning): This episode hovered between OK and Poor until the last ten minutes. I now officially despise Lori. How can she even consider aborting without even telling Rick? She needs to be killed off. Glenn is the worst fucking secret-keeper. I'm glad they addressed Shane aiming at Rick last season. Speaking of Shane, I guess Shandrea (Shane and Andrea) is on. Was I the only one hoping Maggie would get bit. Can't wait for next week.

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  6. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 3:24 AM

    Maggie annoys me too...
    You are not alone.

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  7. klutzy_girlNovember 21, 2011 at 3:25 AM

    LOL, I said the exact same thing about Rick! He completely freaks about her potentially aborting (Which would have been fine, especially considering Lori had a good point), but the fact that Shane's possibly the father is okay with him? What the hell?

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  8. Ryan LivelyNovember 21, 2011 at 3:26 AM

    I was thinking the same thing about Maggie and Hershel. I think their problem is that they can't grieve the loss of their loved ones.

    That scene with Shane and Andrea in the car was so awesome to me! I mean honestly, why not? lol I didn't see a problem. It is the end of the world after all and at least she knows how to go for what she wants.

    I thought that it really wasn't smart for Dale confront Shane either.

    I think also Rick has had to time to process the whole Lori/Shane thing since he has apparently known about it for awhile. But I guess we'll see how he deals with it now, cause he may be concerned about that too. And besides, maybe he's pro-life? His baby or not lol

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  9. LinlighthouseNovember 21, 2011 at 3:36 AM

    This show is awesome! I love it.

    We can now rule out that Lori's pregnancy is what Jenner told Rick, so what did he tell him?

    As we saw in the pilot, Lori and Shane go way back, to before the zombiepocalypse. I think Rick gets that now. Lori says the baby's Rick's, but whoever it was should have been using a condom. Same goes for Shane/Andea, so that Andrea doesn't get pregnant too. Shane should borrow some from Glenn.

    I wish Dale would stop ogling Andrea. She doesn't really seem interested. Shane's a better match.

    I'm glad Lori's becoming intimate with her husband, sharing her secrets with him. Even if she was forced into it, still, they're friends now and things will go better.

    Two weeks in a row we've seen a woman counsel a man that he's more of a leader than the rest of the group gives him credit for. Glenn needed to hear that from Maggie, as Daryl needed to hear it from Carol last time.

    And what about Andrea the sharpshooter, huh? She's got it in her blood now.

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  10. Ryan LivelyNovember 21, 2011 at 3:36 AM

    I think her reasons for going to abort her pregnancy without involving Rick made sense, and I really can't judge her decision (and there's still Carl to think about before killing her off and leaving him motherless). There are a LOT of things to consider when bringing a child into the world, an even more to consider when it's a world in the zombie apocalypse. I think everything Rick and Lori said in their conversation put everything out there and their reasons for thinking what they did made sense.

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  11. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 3:38 AM

    I get the Rick thing completely honestly.  I personally find the pregnancy scenario the far more compelling event compared to Lori being with Shane. 
    First, he has "known" she was with Shane since probably day 1 after meeting up with them (if not he knew at the end of the season when Jenner whispered to him I bet.). He knows how to read people and Shane and Lori are not accomplished at hiding their feelings lets just say. XDSecond, the aborted the pregnancy thing is a two-fer. It's not only failing to mention the very important news of the pregnancy to him (or Shane), but also removing him from the equation completely. That is not something any woman should do to her husband or boyfriend or even just casual lover. Added bonus anger for Lori going to someone else before letting Rick know.... so toss in a little humiliation to the emasculation I guess.Then on top of all that their is the humanist aspect of the pregnancy. Humans are dying off and an endangered species. Every pregnancy matters. Especially when it could add a faint light of hope to their never-ending dim world.

    So I guess it's more of a three-fer in my mind. Lori sleeping with somebody else (even my best friend) would just not be that important to me in the grand scheme of things....

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  12. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 3:42 AM

    I understand why she was considering doing it from her perspective too... even if I don't agree with the thought process. 

    It is a logical (albeit somewhat distorted) conclusion for someone in her situation. It covers her tracks with Shane (so she thinks), it prevents her from possibly feeling the loss of a child that she felt when Carl was shot and it simply makes life easier for her physically.

    Imagine being 9 months pregnant trying to outrun zombies in the Atlanta heat! No thank you!

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  13. LinlighthouseNovember 21, 2011 at 3:44 AM

    Love this! I'm still laughing at the "I Used to be a Zombie..." self-help section.

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  14. Ryan LivelyNovember 21, 2011 at 3:45 AM

    Idk about the covering her tracks with Shane thing and I think she's going to feel a sense of loss if she does abort it....Damn, this is officially turning into an abortion debate lol.

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  15. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 3:45 AM

    I totally understand his logic and actually think he showed amazing restraint and maturity in arriving at what really matters. 

    It does not matter whatsoever who Lori slept with while he was in a coma. It does matter that she is lying to him, not telling him about the pregnancy, telling others about it before him and not giving him a voice in a literal life or death situation.

    It never fails to amuse me when I mistype "does not" and the spellcheck accepts doe snot! XD

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  16. RobertAriadneNovember 21, 2011 at 3:45 AM

    Sophia had her chance to live; and because she was a dumbass, she's probably dead. Lori's baby (Judith) should be allowed to get a chance.

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  17. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 3:47 AM

    Oh she would have felt the loss and guilt for sure! 

    I just meant that in a desperate state of mind it would appear to take care of her secret. Reality is another thing altogether! XD

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  18. LinlighthouseNovember 21, 2011 at 3:49 AM

    Glenn is like Lost's Hurley--hates to lie and can't keep a secret (yet everybody keeps asking him to).

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  19. klutzy_girlNovember 21, 2011 at 3:49 AM

    Eh, Lori had some very good points. While not telling Rick (and Shane) about the pregnancy was a stupid idea, aborting would not have been a bad idea. Why should she have a baby during the zombie apocalypse? So many things could go wrong! They proved that with Carl and Sophia.

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  20. klutzy_girlNovember 21, 2011 at 3:51 AM

    LOL, that is a very good point.

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  21. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 3:58 AM

    Totally understand and even agree somewhat, but she should keep the baby because the Human race depends on each pregnancy in a zombie apocalypse. 

    Personal feelings need to be removed completely since every pregnancy and every birth can possibly help fend off the extinction of human beings. It is far beyond one person's choice at this point it is about the survival of the species.

    What happened with Carl and Sophia just reinforce the point that humanity needs to replenish itself even more. 

    If something like this happened you can bet there would be "makeshift" governments in secure locations instituting baby making programs. Even if it meant they would abduct women and keep them prisoner once they were pregnant.

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  22. RobertAriadneNovember 21, 2011 at 4:03 AM

    I'm just saying that before she makes a species-altering decision, she should inform Rick. That's all

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  23. Ryan LivelyNovember 21, 2011 at 4:53 AM

    You were supposed to be able to see the Shane/Andrea thing coming. They sort of planted the seeds for it and gave you hints that it was coming. I saw it coming too but I was surprised at how sudden it was on Andrea's behalf lol.

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  24. MSWeimerNovember 21, 2011 at 4:54 AM

    Hey - it's cool that he is understanding and mature about Lori and Shane hooking up - I mean hey, a girl's gotta get hers on the regular too.  I just don't get that he is mad about Lori not telling him she's preggers.  And she literally confirmed it what ... the day before or maybe two.  I just don't get Rick's thinking that he is the only one entitled to the right to secrecy.

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  25. MSWeimerNovember 21, 2011 at 4:58 AM

    OMG - can you see the shelf of lotions at Ulta ... zombie skin repair, powder fresh scent

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  26. MSWeimerNovember 21, 2011 at 5:00 AM

    Yeah - I saw the sneak peek where they were shooting at the log.  When I saw the spoilers included a first time couple I figured they were getting down with the angry/make up sex - didn't think it would be "I just killed a shit ton of walkers and it made me moist" sex. 

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  27. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 5:05 AM

    Lest we forget the infomercials! XD

    No broadcast networks, no internet, not public radio, but you damn well know some one is archiving video clips in hope of updating their vlog as soon as YouTube is back so they can feel popular again! XD

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  28. MSWeimerNovember 21, 2011 at 5:06 AM

    I am of the same mind - what pisses me off about the whole Lori/abortion thing is the father rights.  Whoever the father is should have a say be it Rick or Shane.  I mean if Rick found out she was pregnant, hated the idea of a baby and shoved a morning after pill down her throat with out consulting her it would probably be a crime somewhere. 

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  29. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 5:12 AM

    I hear you on the timing issue, but I think in Rick's mind (and maybe mine as well) that point becomes moot as soon as Lori tell Glenn about it.  

    If she did not tell anyone and kept it to herself while processing it would be entirely different.  Plus of course he is unaware of when it went from suspicion to test-proven "certainty" since she never told him to begin with. 

    I guess I see both sides on this one... both sides have some logic backing them, but on a personal level there just is no comparison.

    People's relationships survive affairs (if Lori even had one technically) all the time, but aborting a pregnancy without telling the father is a relationship-ender. That one does not get worked through very often in my experiences. - both personal and witnessed experiences.

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  30. MSWeimerNovember 21, 2011 at 5:27 AM

    Glen is only a quarter of the man Hurley was.

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  31. MSWeimerNovember 21, 2011 at 5:28 AM

    Hell I can't even decide who to be more pissed at ...
    Rick for keeping secrets but expecting more from Lori or
    Lori for wanting to abort without so much as a kiss my ass to baby daddy

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  32. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 7:01 AM

    Ha! :)

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  33. Stacey L TothNovember 21, 2011 at 8:14 AM

    A LOT of character development tonight.

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  34. StickoxydalNovember 21, 2011 at 8:38 AM

    I had the feeling that Rick suspected that something went down between Shane & Lori and so he wasn't exactly surprised by it.

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  35. StickoxydalNovember 21, 2011 at 8:40 AM

    It's kind of taken out of the comics. Of course in the comics Shane was already dead which certainly changes the situation.
    Rick already knew, that's why he also asked Lori if there's something else she'd wanna tell him, he wanted her to come clear about this. He already made up his mind about how to react to this.

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  36. StickoxydalNovember 21, 2011 at 8:42 AM

    I was sure Andrea would hook up with someone, I thought it would be Shane, but also thought it could be Daryl or Dale.
    She had this moment with Daryl when they were looking for Sophia and then when she was apologizing for shooting him. And last week she shared a meaningful glance with Dale.

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  37. StickoxydalNovember 21, 2011 at 8:45 AM

    I wouldn't call Sophia a dumbass. Come on, she's just a kid after all, she was hiding and there was a zombie approaching. I guess it's kind of understandable to freak out and run away. And getting lost in such a situation is also something quite realistic.

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  38. StickoxydalNovember 21, 2011 at 8:48 AM

    The problem with pregnancies in such a world is a tricky one. Of course it's horrible and tricky bringing up a child in a post-apocalyptic world. But on the other hand you fight to survive, fight for a better tomorrow and hope to rebuild our society to one point or another. And you kind of need children for this too.

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  39. StickoxydalNovember 21, 2011 at 8:50 AM

    That's going to quite interesting. In the comics there never was a question about this because Shane was dead, but now with him being alive this is going to a big issue.
    Considering Shane's face-off with Dale, I think we're heading towards a big fight between Rick and Shane sooner or later.

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  40. StickoxydalNovember 21, 2011 at 8:51 AM

    Dale has no claim on Andrea, that's correct. But he's always been looking out for her and her sister and deeply cares about her. And he's absolutely right when he says that he knows what kind of person Shane is. And that's just not the type of person you want to see get close to someone you care about.

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  41. StickoxydalNovember 21, 2011 at 8:55 AM

    As I said before, I'm quite sure that RIck already knew about Shane & Lori. At least he was pretty sure about it and made up his mind about this situation some time ago. He just used this confrontation to get Lori to come clean to him about it.
    On the other hand he didn't know about the pregnancy and therefore was pissed he wasn't told and wasn't involved in making a decision whether to keep the baby or not.

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  42. StickoxydalNovember 21, 2011 at 8:57 AM

    Glad Dale confronted Shane about aiming at Rick too. Just showed that Shane continues to go down a dark path and that we're gonna have to expect a showdown between Shane and Rick some time this season (plus there's the who's the father issue now too). I even think Shane will become the bad guy in the second half of the season.

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  43. StickoxydalNovember 21, 2011 at 9:20 AM

    Most things have been already said, but here a few thoughts from me.

    The episode didn't have enough Daryl to be really great, it was OK for me this time.

    Finally Carl gets a gun. It is understandable in such a world, he needs to be able to protect himself. And I hope this leading up to something important from the comics.
    Also had to laugh at the shooting practice when Jimmy was holding the gun "gangsta-style" and T-Dog mentioned this to him, gave me a good laugh.

    I was glad that Andrea started being the sniper she is in the comics. Partly because I hoped that would help making her more likeable, but I still hate the TV version of her. Now she's turned on by killing things and hooking up with Shane? Not the way to make a character more congenially...

    I actually liked that Dale confronted Shane. He is becoming a dark character and also quite unpredictable. I also think Dale is concerned about that's going to happen once Shane learns that Lori is pregnant. We already know that Lori & Carl are the only reasons for him to stay at the group, he already thought about getting rid of Rick. No idea how he's gonna handle this situation, but it won't be good.
    And now that the cat is out of the bad and Lori confessed to Rick (even though I think he knew anyway) we're gonna have a big confrontation with those two sooner or later this season. I'm having some awesome ideas for the season finale, inspired by the comics...

    Glenn & Maggie didn't do a lot of me this time. Maggie freaked out a bit too much, Glenn was incredibly bad at keeping secrets, I was a bit annoyed by both of them.

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  44. StickoxydalNovember 21, 2011 at 9:30 AM

    Almost forgot about Jenner. Knowing the comics I was sure he wold her she's pregnant, but he clearly did not know. I read a spoiler about another possibility, but didn't like that one very much. On the other hand I'm running out of ideas.

    And I don't think we have to worry about all the somen getting pregnant. At least I hope so...

    Andrea being a sniper is taken out of the comics. There she's the best shot of the group, but that's a different group.

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  45. AydrianNovember 21, 2011 at 9:53 AM

    I'm confused as to why people think Rick's reaction to Lori's infidelity wasn't bad. It was, he just subdued it. I think he figured it out a long time ago. I've seen many instances where he said something that hinted at it.

    However, I think his reaction to it is going to be far more reaching than the attempted-abortion. Being understanding about the whole world coming to an end thing causing the infidelity would imply that feelings of betrayal are logical. They aren't. Trust me, his feelings about it are subdued for now, but it's going to come out in a huge way later.

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  46. James WaiteNovember 21, 2011 at 11:10 AM

    I thought it was a pretty good epsiode this week, although I think that the last two scenes were in the wrong order. The episode would ended better with Shane threatening Dale rather than Rick and Lori audition for Jerry Springer.

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  47. MSWeimerNovember 21, 2011 at 11:45 AM

    ..."a meaningful glance with Dale."  Ewwww.

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  48. klutzy_girlNovember 21, 2011 at 12:24 PM

    This is true, but Dale didn't have any problems with Shane until he had sex with Andrea.

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  49. RobertAriadneNovember 21, 2011 at 2:13 PM

    Let's look at the evidence: Sophia crawls under a car to escape the walkers, but then she comes out and attracts the walkers anyway. She then darts into the woods. Rick and crew catch up.  Rick told her to stay put, about twelve seconds later, she walks away (no walkers in sight). Rick told her to go back to the highway, but nope, she didn't listen then either.  So yeah, she would definitely qualify as a dumbass.

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  50. LinlighthouseNovember 21, 2011 at 3:09 PM

    Just watched The Talking Dead, tonight featuring comedian Paul Tompkins and director Kevin Smith. My notes:

    "I didn't know zombies like chickens."
    "For chickens, it's been the walking dead for centuries."

    "When Lori confessed everything to Rick, and Rick just accepted it, I had to check the credits. Sure enough, it was written by a woman." (Angela King wrote it).

    Carl says, "Everything is food for something else." Kids see things in black and white.

    "Dale is a flaccid Obi Wan ken Obi."

    About Andrea jumping Shane after getting all hyped up from killing: "Guns are vibrators with bullets."

    Also noted: the Dale/Shane confrontation ended with a threat to Dale, and Dale was frightened by it.

    Maggie's 180 degree turnaround of opinion regarding walkers.

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  51. LinlighthouseNovember 21, 2011 at 3:23 PM

    Ditto to your "ewwww."

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  52. LinlighthouseNovember 21, 2011 at 3:33 PM

    Rick and Lori's marriage was in trouble to begin with, as we saw in the first few minutes of the pilot where he confides to his good buddy Shane that he kind of suspected she was having an affair (he hadn't guessed the truth yet). So we assume that they never ever shared a good level of intimacy. Rick is asking her to stop keeping things from him, which has likely always been her habit. When she shared her secret, which he likely already knew, it showed growth in their relationship.

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  53. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 3:58 PM

    Why people kept telling me a few weeks back that there's no way they would search Sophia for half a season? 6 episodes + it will continu in the next since it look by your comments that they haven't found her...7 of 13, its pretty much half a season

    ^^; sad... I was keeping so hope I could watch the show again...the 7 extra episodes this season were clearly 7 too many

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  54. Adam D. HarrisNovember 21, 2011 at 4:34 PM

    I have to say you weekly comment on the Sophia storyline is starting to get boring. Slightly ironic that you are doing the same thing as the storyline and writing the same old comment week after week. Can't you see how the storyline is giving the writers and cast a great chance to explore their characters. Last week Darryl's character used the storyline to give us an in depth grip on what that man was like. Briefly this week, the storyline was used to introduce Shane & Andrea's relationship. 

    Also, you do realise that just because they haven't found her doesn't mean they solely spend every episode looking for her.

    It is such a limited view on the season so far... 

    It's a plot narrative, that's going on alongside numerous other ones. That's what The Walking Dead is about... 

    You're issue to me sounds like you want people running around killing zombies, but the show is actually a drama, about characters and their lives that just so happens to be in the middle of a zombie apocalypse. 

    If you want a weekly storyline that wraps up, then go watch a procedural like House, CSI, The Mentalist, Bones, Castle. You'll find that these shows also use similar plot devices. Would you stop watching House because he is still taking drugs? Would you stop watching The Mentalist because he's still hunting for Red John?

    Stories sometimes span over years/months/weeks... 

    Either get over the fact that The Walking Dead isn't your style of show and ditch the Sophia comments every week, or decide you'll like it for what it is and offer something else.

    My best advice though would be to watch the episode before you bash it :)

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  55. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 4:42 PM

    I did watch the other episode I almost didn't watch and I didn't see much interseting...like seriously losing time taking the zombie out of the well? If you can get infected by bite, its cause the virus is in the saliva...and there's 99,999999999% that the saliva touched the water. Total waist to time

    I don,t mind character dev., I like that...but go read others peopole comments, Rick freaking out about abortion and don't care about the fact her wife cheated on him? Sex in the car cliché? Not too big character dev.

    I don't see how its bad wanting to love a show that was so great last season

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  56. Philipp RenkenNovember 21, 2011 at 4:43 PM

    Is it just me, or is TWD getting lamer and lamer every week? The first season was amazing, now it's basically just "Looking for Sophia." That's just lame. I want more zombies! At least Andrea and Shane were great. I don't like either one of them but together, they are a good team. Don't see them as a couple though. Car sex? Really? :D

    The ending was amazing though. Acted very well and next week's episode looks great!

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  57. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM

    And from the review I saw of the episode, they kept shooting in the wood never caring that it could attract some zombies, and totally forgot that they spend episodes after episodes after episodes after episodes repeating that they need to keep it quiet

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  58. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 5:15 PM

    Hmm.. maybe not just you, but I don't agree.

    This year has far superior and consistent than Season One. I stil think the pilot may be the best episode of the series, but after that I think every episode of this season so far is better than every episode last year. Arriving at Hershel's farm has given a consistency to the series and everything flows better.  It also has let us get to know the characters much, MUCH better than last year.

    I look at last year as an introduction to the new world and this season as a real look inside the characters.

    I really don't get the "This whole season is looking for Sophia" thought process at all. In the first couple episodes after they concentrated on it as they were progressing towards Hershel's farm, but since then it's been 30 seconds to 2 minutes of commentary per episode and that's about it. Granted, Daryl was out looking for her, but his scenes were barely about Sophia at all. That was just the vehicle to show his internal struggles with who his past life and who he is now.

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  59. StickoxydalNovember 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM

    That's pretty much exactly how I see it. he pilot is without a doubt the best episode of the show so far, but every episode this season has at last been on par or better than the remainder of season 1.

    And the way I see it the search for Sophia is just a method to tell other stories. It showed a lot of character development on Daryl's side and that he had to deal with a pretty crappy childhood.
    It also opened up the whole leadership conflict between Shane and Rick.
    If you just concentrate on the fact that Sophia is missing and they are still looking for her, then I think you are limiting your viewer pleasure a lot and miss the other things going on. I for myself barely think about it at all.

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  60. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 5:30 PM

    Agreed on al counts. I look at Glenn as the nice guy that may be a bit under-appreciated... much like Hurley on LOST as someone compared him earlier. Not surprisingly I did not care for Hurley much and I don't care for Glenn too much.  He is useful and skilled, but damn he has no common sense or secret filter. XD

    I've always liked Dale and I got more of a protective vibe than stalker vibe from him, but the last few weeks he has gone to over-protective busybody getting in everyone's affairs and giving unwanted advice. Even if his advice has not been entirely off base... his actions have been.

    I thought Maggie freaked out a bit too much also. I get that the entire farm has been sheltered and doesn't realize how the world is, but she seems to be one mood-swing after another.

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  61. Adam D. HarrisNovember 21, 2011 at 5:32 PM

    I'm no Zombie expert, I don't think anyone is actually seeing as they don't exist, but surely that if the virus is in the saliva, it still is all about the virus entering the bloodstream. That's why a bite turns you, and zombie blood on your body doesn't turn you. 
    I like the fact that they were trying to fix the water supply. The show is great for also focusing on the more normal things 

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  62. Adam D. HarrisNovember 21, 2011 at 5:36 PM

    I'm no Zombie expert, I don't think anyone is actually seeing as they don't exist, but surely that if the virus is in the saliva, it still is all about the virus entering the bloodstream. That's why a bite turns you, and zombie blood on your body doesn't turn you. 
    I like the fact that they were trying to fix the water supply. The show is great for also focusing on the more normal things that people may do in a zombie apocolypse

    Rick was a) right to freak out about the abortion as Lori hadn't consulted him and involved him in the decision. Rick was also b) right not to freak out about the fact she cheated on him, as he as presumed dead at the time, and as Lori explained (and you would know if you had seen the episode) she felt dead at the time and she needed Shane to help her feel anything/something at all. 

    To me Rick was brilliant for understanding how his wife must've felt at the time!

    The sex was a result of the growing relationship between Shane & Andrea which started in the S2 premiere... There was a whole 15 mins of their storyline before the sex!

    And there's nothing wrong with not liking the show and wishing it was better if that's how you feel. But the Sophia storyline is just an excuse for people who don't like what The Walking Dead wants to be and is doing very well this season. A character drama, with Zombies! :)

    (Also, with the training, they went and did that well outside the perimeters of the farm, and they did it because they all need to learn how to use a gun. And rightly so as well!!!)

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  63. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 5:44 PM

    ''I'm no Zombie expert, I don't think anyone is actually seeing as they
    don't exist, but surely that if the virus is in the saliva, it still is
    all about the virus entering the bloodstream. That's why a bite turns
    you, and zombie blood on your body doesn't turn you. ''

    Either way, they were pretty concern about not drinking water if it had the virus in it and there still was almost 100% of chance it still was, a total lost of time and energy trying to get it out. Who would be stupid enough to take a chance to drink that. Or it was just to fill screentime^^;

    And even if they need to know how to use a gun, they still should care they it making a lot of noise especially after being so totally obsess for the rest of the serie about that. They just forgot about that all the sudden?

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  64. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 5:46 PM

    :) Finally someone who get it. Seem like its turning into a sex and getting pregnant show too ^^; teens show with zombies?

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  65. StickoxydalNovember 21, 2011 at 5:52 PM

    Wow, one person is getting pregnant and you start complaining?
    These people are living in a post-apocalyptic world, so it's almost natural to try and get some sex as long as you can and you complain about it (and after all it's just two pairs of people).
    I have no problem with people not liking the show, but now you've just started to look for reasons to complain about...

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  66. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 5:54 PM

    And since when the grestest characters dev. always need to be about people having sex and getting pregnant? If I want to watch a show where everyone is sleeping with someone in every episode and getting a big pregnant story I'll go watch Gossip Girl or OTH. There's other way to make grow characters without sex and pregnency

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  67. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 5:56 PM

    ...Seriously? Look at my comments for the premiere and the second episode of the season I LOVED them. Why all the sudden I would decide that I'm searching reason to hate a show I loved so much weeks ago? You think my life is so boring I have nothing else to do than searching fake reasons to complain?

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  68. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 5:59 PM

    I would bet in that situation most people would be paring up... if not for sex just for support. It's human nature to bond in life or death situations.

    IF there was not people having sex it would be unrealistic to me.

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  69. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 6:02 PM

    I wouldn't become a slut just because I'm about to die^^; Its just all the shows who are always using this same reason

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  70. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 6:05 PM

    I'm not a huge fan of love traingles or surprise pregnancy plots either, but the way TWD deals with it is not like most series do. It is really getting down to the  nature of the characters. It's using a huge life decision like child birth or abortion to show who the characters are and not just some random plot device in most soap operas.

    Plus it had to happen seeing as it was a large part of the first comics.

    I'm completely okay with it in this specific case I guess, but if it keeps happening with every coupl I would get annoyed fast!

    I'm not too worried that willl happen though....

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  71. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 6:07 PM

    I hope it could lead somewhere so I could maybe start watching again

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  72. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 6:13 PM

    Sleeping with one person does not make someone a slut. 

    Far as I can tell Andrea wants to connect after feeling dead inside once her sister died. Finding out she's a sharpshooter and escaping the zombie horde got her adrenaline pumping and wham. She wanted the one guy she's been getting closer to since the season began.

    Shane seems to be a bit of a he-ho. XD I guess in  zombie apocalypse everyone is themselves amplified and that does bring out a lot of bad qualities in some people. 

    I still don't think anyone of them is worried about being thought of as a slut though. That's just silly even in a non-zombie world, but in an apocalypse that's the last thing on any sane person's mind. They want protection and human connection. Relationships (both sexual and nonsexual) accomplish that., but sex does bond peole faster and stronger in many cases.

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  73. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 6:15 PM

    We all have things we just can't put up with as we watch shows... Hopefully some of the other elements can distract you from the things you hate or are disappointed in.

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  74. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 6:22 PM

    I didn't see some big incredible chemestry and profound bond and love between Maggie and Glen when they had their sex in the shop

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  75. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 6:29 PM

    You're right, but I don;t get why there needs to be a profound bond or even love for that matter. There's a large percentage of the world that doe not see sex and love as mutually exclusive.

    In Maggie's case it was someone more her age and new to her life that she did have an immediate bond with because of that. Not profound though. Just a comfort level thing.

    In Glenn's case it was a cute girl wanting him. That;s all he needed and that's definitely a large demographic out in the world. 

    Even if I personally wouldn't be having sex with random farmer's daughters in the feminine hygiene aisle of a drugstore.... I can see it happening easily enough.

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  76. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 6:34 PM

    I agree its exist, but people who are doing it just for the sake of doing it, no caring with who and how they felt about the others...its pretty much calling being a slut..Maggie is kind of like one ^^;

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  77. DarqueModeNovember 21, 2011 at 6:42 PM

    I guess it is by your definition. 

    I never felt the need to categorize people by my own personal ethics or morals I guess.  Slut, prude.. whatever.. I do what feels right for me and others can can do whatever feels right for them. 

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  78. chris684November 21, 2011 at 6:52 PM

    Becoming pregnant in a zombie world presents a whole other set of challenges than becoming pregnant in the Gossip Girl world.  First, you have make sure you're eating right, and you likely won't have proper medical care.  You have to be able to outrun a zombie in your later stages.  There's a good chance that your husband, or you, might be eaten before the pregnancy comes to term.  Once the baby is born, it can't start crying when you're trying to hide from zombies or else you'll both be eaten.  And finally, you have to look at the consequences of bringing a baby into the world who will likely be eaten before his/her first birthday.

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  79. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 7:05 PM

    yup, so aborting time and lets get over with the pregnancy drama

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  80. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 7:10 PM

    (Sorry I don't know why the reply button didn't work=>)

    yup, so aborting time and lets get over with the pregnancy drama. Why is it suppose to be hard choosing in this conditions? Except for making another soap drama?

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  81. chris684November 21, 2011 at 7:21 PM

    This show has been a drama (not a soap, but a drama) since the first episode.  Why is this suddenly bothering you?

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  82. klutzy_girlNovember 21, 2011 at 7:28 PM

    But those are two completely different scenarios. It wouldn't be a crime for Lori to abort without telling Rick or Shane. Yes, the father deserves rights, but it's Lori's body, Lori's decision. That's it.

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  83. klutzy_girlNovember 21, 2011 at 7:30 PM

    Well, Lori was pregnant in the comics (From what I've read about it), so it's not a show thing. It's something they took from the comics.

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  84. klutzy_girlNovember 21, 2011 at 7:31 PM

    Wow.  Maggie is not a slut for sleeping with Glenn. Neither is Andrea.

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  85. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 7:44 PM

    it was a great drama last year and in the premiere, now its turning into a soap

    Why do *you* even care what I think? not like I'm the only one  who's growing tired of the show too. Just here you have  Philipp, Robert is between Ok and Poor for this episode. In another interview there was a person talking about getting tired too and had about 4-5 likes and some girl answered him/her that she stopped watching...tv Spoilers getting tired too. I'm sure we're many more and everyone is jumping on me like I'm crazy for not finding the show totally over fantastic

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  86. chris684November 21, 2011 at 8:06 PM

    I didn't intend to sound critical because you didn't like the show.  It was an honest question.  There were lots of elements of drama in the first season (the man struggling with whether to kill him zombie wife, a battered wife, Shane sleeping with his best friend's wife and then Lori finding out her husband's alive).  I see the recent sex and pregnancy as just more of the same (people dealing with normal issues in extraordinary circumstances).  I was wondering why you see it differently.

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  87. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 8:14 PM

    Cause in Season 1 all the drama was a Part of the show, some drama, characters growing throw everything, Andrea losing her sister and all, but between all that, there was some thing happening, like going to Atlanta, escaping, going back and going face to face with that other group wanting the weapons, the camp getting attack, the gang moving on on the road to search hope. Everything was moving together

    season 2, THE story is all about that soap thing, all about some heavy drama and nothing happening except characters talking and talking and talking and whatever....I LOVE some good drama, some good dev. in characters, having characters growing close or distant to each other, having tension....but something have to happen once in a while

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  88. chris684November 21, 2011 at 8:37 PM

    Agreed.  And neither is Glenn.  Shane might be one though.

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  89. numer0sixNovember 21, 2011 at 10:50 PM

    About Maggie and Hershel :
    In the pilot episode, The guy with his son couldn't kill his wife either. I think it's not a logical but very  understandable emotional reaction.
    It highlight how strong Andrea was when she killed her own sister.

    About Andrea and Shane Car sex interlude :
    This scene made me grin as does your comment :-) Well, I say good for them! I just hope Shane will not drag Andrea on the very dark path he has take

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  90. SolineNovember 21, 2011 at 11:18 PM

    And now the characters are stuck at the farm, can't move on, so they're stuck at only talking and nothing happening like in the first season to mix up with the drama (and not have 100% that all the time)...but why can't they move on? Cause they have to stay at the same place? Why they have to stay? Cause the girl is missing

    But you have people like Adam and DarqueMode and 100 others people who go say that complaining is only cause we're searching something in our life to complain about and we hate the drama more than anything in life (so meaning we torture ourself in season 1..etc)

    talking about the girl or not doesn't matter since they're still stuck at the same place and the story is stuck in a soap-wannabedrama with an too much drama and nothing happening like it did in season 1......but people still found a way to say that people like us by saying we only complain for the sake of complaining

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  91. MSWeimerNovember 22, 2011 at 5:00 AM

    Undeniably true - I think that's my problem with it.  For years, us girls have been telling men (some - not all) that fatherhood doesn't end with conception.  We want them to help feed, change, financially own up to and watch the baby - how come all of that logic goes right out the window when it comes to having an abortion or even something less drastic like giving a baby up for adoption.  Then it's HER body, HER choice.  Unless she was artificially inseminated, the baby is THEIRS.

    I know this isn't a perfect world, far from it - I guess I just expected someone who repeatedly takes the moral high ground to make a different decision.  Not necessarily a better one, just different.

    That being said - without these characters making difficult and sometimes right/wrong decisions, we wouldn't have a show to snark on :)

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  92. MSWeimerNovember 22, 2011 at 5:03 AM

    I love Beckett but you're right about the shoes ... It would be different if they were cute shoes, but they're just a basic chunky black heel.  Chase down a perp in some Jimmy Choo's though and I may switch teams :)

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  93. MSWeimerNovember 22, 2011 at 5:05 AM

    I like man sluts ... whats the problem?

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  94. dunmifNovember 22, 2011 at 3:37 PM

    was that a wordplay on Hurley's size? :D

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  95. pauloNovember 22, 2011 at 3:53 PM

    Regarding Dale, there are two different instances for him IMO:

    1st, the picky Dale, the over-protective one, nosing around on everything concerning Andrea (wich several comments have already and rightfully mentioned);

    2nd, this episode's Dale, that is putting together a lot of important facts, leading to his confrontation with Shane. First he hears from Hershel (regarding the walkers at the barn) that Rick is a good man but that Dale cannot garantee that everyone else in his group is; then he knows Lori is pregnant and confirms his suspicions about her affair with Shane; he remembers Shane aiming at Rick, also having some doubts on Otis/Shane adventure.

    Dale senses a threat to their peaceful lives at the farm, be it by ways of confrontation with Hershel, be it by ways of Lori's affair + pregnancy (I am almost 100% sure that Dale didn't buy that certainty of Lori: "The baby is Rick's!"). The only name common to all the "threats" is Shane (although about the barn, maybe Hershel could think about Daryl too).

    Dale would be thinking of telling Shane he better take his new car and leave, even prior to see/sense that Andrea had be at it with... Shane.

    To reduce their confrontation to solely Dale's over-protective feelings is - IMHO - to reduce the actual intentions of that character.

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  96. pauloNovember 22, 2011 at 4:08 PM

    He just had a day full Shane-shit: he got confirmation by Lori of her affair with ... Shane; he knows Lori is pregnat and in no way could she garantee the baby is Rick's (as she said, based on what?); he hears from Hershel that to deal with the barn issue maybe Rick is a good person but there are others in the group that may be not (Hershel suspects about Otis' "dismissal"?); he remembers seeing Shane aiming at Rick... Understanding that all of this might create a severe damage to the group's integrity and their peaceful staying at the farm, he just did what he thought was better to prevent major problems: to "insist" on Shane's own intention of leaving in his new car.

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  97. pauloNovember 22, 2011 at 4:12 PM

    Voted "great". Good development of some of the stories and characters. Seems to be evolving to the final confrontation between Rick and Shane...

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  98. pauloNovember 22, 2011 at 4:18 PM

    Yep, you were right on Shane and Andrea, I can stand as a witness :) we "talked" about it on another thread.

    But for the looks of it, I won't be that far from being right also ;)

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  99. pauloNovember 22, 2011 at 4:30 PM

    Rick is between a rock and a hard place: if he yelled at her, he was being a male prick; if he doesn't yell, it's because he doesn't care enough for her.

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  100. MSWeimerNovember 22, 2011 at 10:05 PM

    That's because we bitches be complicated and stuff.

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  101. pauloNovember 22, 2011 at 10:16 PM

    LOL! I thought it would be because of what Glenn talked about, making you all become aligned or something ;)

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  102. MSWeimerNovember 22, 2011 at 10:19 PM

    I'm still rolling with maternal affection on that one ... anything else gives me the bubblies.

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  103. MSWeimerNovember 22, 2011 at 10:39 PM

    I stay psychotic all four weeks of the month ... I'm aligned with everyone :)

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  104. Stupot815November 23, 2011 at 12:35 AM

    I must admit, I'm getting a bit impatient for something to actually happen, now.  This was another episode where nothing really happened...  even when the bunch of walkers came after Andrea and Shane, there was no sense of danger. It was just so that she can redeem herself and justify her right to carry a gun.

    As I said last week, I couln't give a hoot whether o not they find Sophia.  She was never an important character anyway, so I just want them to move on.  The farm is quite boring, and it's glaringly obvious that some kind of showdown is going to happen with the barn walkers... can we just get that over with and move to a new location, please?

    Or better still, stay on the move... It's much more exciting when they're on the road and don't know what to expect around the next corner. Rather than setting up camp for weeks on end doing nothing but laundry.

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  105. MSWeimerNovember 23, 2011 at 1:07 AM

    Nope - Just his magnitude :)

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  106. ScottANovember 23, 2011 at 4:37 AM

    He did throw the whole "You had him in your sights" back in his face so he's obviously got strong feelings about trying to shoot Rick.

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