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POLL : What did you think of Fringe - Wallflower?

Nov 19, 2011

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96 comments:

  1. CJ SchulerNovember 19, 2011 at 3:02 AM

    that was really bad. now i have to wait until january? fringe feels like it's going nowhere. it's boring. send peanut home asap.

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  2. Michael Anthony LeberNovember 19, 2011 at 3:04 AM

    It was alright. Better in the beginning, but the middle dragged a LOT. 


    And what was the deal with the flowers on the bed in the middle? Was he trying to show his love for her or something?
    It got better when Olivia started talking to the invisible man, and the ending was good. Its VERY clear from the preview that the next episode was supposed to be the winter finale. 

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  3. Sarah!November 19, 2011 at 3:05 AM

    I thought it was awesome. WHAT THE EFF. I knewwwww Nina was up to something. Although 408 would have been better this one still was amazing. To exist and that Eugene had that one moment of happiness before dying. UGH MY HEART.

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  4. orangeJ3November 19, 2011 at 3:06 AM

    It was better than I expected!
    Also, I think Nina is inserting Blue!Olivia memories into Amber!Olivia. The thing they were giving her looked like what they used to make her believe she was Red!Olivia.
    And I don't know what I feel about this Lincoln/Olivia thing going on...

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  5. Totallyaddicted005November 19, 2011 at 3:09 AM

    Great, although i think that the preview and the last few minutes were the best!! OMG LIv, ANd gosh darnnit EVIL Nina Sharp! Liv trusts you!! ahhh! 

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  6. spileggiNovember 19, 2011 at 3:12 AM

    I don't know what episode you were watching, but I loved it! Here I was worried that we weren't gonna get an adequate cliffhanger because 4.08 was supposed to be the original Fall finale, but geez, was I wrong! And the preview for next year looked AWESOME!

    January can't come fast enough!

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  7. StrawberryFlavoredDeathNovember 19, 2011 at 3:13 AM

    Yeah, so is this Olivia really Peter's?  I'm more confused now, lol.  Next episode looks good!  I like how Nina being Olivia's guardian initially made her seem a little less evil just to turn into her being even more evil.

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  8. melodybeatrixNovember 19, 2011 at 3:22 AM

    You feel boring because you can't see what's gonna happen, which is why we love the show. It always surprises us.

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  9. Krista CrimNovember 19, 2011 at 3:25 AM

    I think this Olivia is really Peter's. Why else would the Observers comment on Peter popping up in their minds and it looks like he may be telling her something important probably about Peter in the next episode.

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  10. lichen2641November 19, 2011 at 3:26 AM

    It also looks like it could be cortexiphan.  It's been said that Walter and Bell gave the children lower doses in this timeline so maybe Nina's dosing her as an adult so that she can activate her abilities.

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  11. orangeJ3November 19, 2011 at 3:31 AM

    I have no idea if this is Peter's Olivia or not!
    And I think Nina is going to have some excuse for what she's doing. Don't know if it's gonna be good enough, but something tells me she's going to have some sort of excuse...

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  12. orangeJ3November 19, 2011 at 3:32 AM

    Good theory. Maybe that way she can help Peter to cross over...

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  13. lichen2641November 19, 2011 at 3:37 AM

    I can't believe that this is the last episode until next year.  Looks like I'll have to tide myself over with repeats.

    Awesome episode.  Feel bad for Peter though.  Still interested in where this season is going and if we are going to get our blue-verse characters back.  But I'm enjoying the ride regardless.

    Wow, Nina not cool.  I have a feeling that's cortexiphan.  It looks like it and if Walter and Bell really did give the children lower doses of it in this timeline then Nina's probably been dosing Olivia with it since to keep her abilities active.  That would explain why she took her in.  Olivia is going to feel so betrayed when she finds out. She really can't trust anyone.

    Olivia just shouldn't try to go on dates anymore.  Something always happens to her or she discovers some horrible secret that nearly crushes her.

    And lastly I'd like to add how insanely jealous I am of how quickly Olivia managed to get over her migraines.  I wish I could do that.

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  14. AlexINTJNovember 19, 2011 at 4:12 AM

     I didn't really care for this episode or how it is continuing the general direction. The Lincoln/Olivia stuff, while I was hoping it wouldn't go there, made me cringe. While the case of the week was sad, it was ultimately lackluster. The last minutes of the episode were fantastic, but the episode on the whole was pretty bland to me. I ended up paying more attention to my homework than what was happening on screen. Having Peter separated in his own little B plot, as much as I can rationalize it, was off-putting, and I miss having Walter, Peter, and Olivia in the same space. Fringe feels very off without it. The next episode looks great, but I'm trying not to get my hopes up.

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  15. XindiliniNovember 19, 2011 at 4:22 AM

    It was great.

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  16. StrawberryFlavoredDeathNovember 19, 2011 at 4:32 AM

    If it is really her, someone needs to get the guy a test or a tool to tell her from the others since he already had this problem with Faux-livia.  Will be interesting to see where this all goes.  Hopefully more will be revealed next episode after hearing Walternate tell Peter "Not everything is as it seems." in the promo for 4.08.

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  17. StrawberryFlavoredDeathNovember 19, 2011 at 4:37 AM

    I always wondered in the second season, if Nina was involved with David Robert Jones some how.  Evil/work agenda or relationship wise.  Wonder what we will learn in this timeline.  Are they working together?  And how does DRJ calling Olivia "My Girl" come into play? 

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  18. FranceleNovember 19, 2011 at 4:59 AM

    I did hate this episode. A monster of the week when they have the most epic history to work! I don’t understand what was that. Why not to do the amazing job they did last week, bringing Peter’s POV to the case, so the audience can connect to something familiar in the show. I’m in rage right now, sorry if I’m the only one…
    I love Fringe and I can’t stand they giving motive, for people lose their interest.

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  19. FranceleNovember 19, 2011 at 5:06 AM

    ^^ I saw this comment on another site and is pretty much what I think ^^

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  20. DesolaNovember 19, 2011 at 5:10 AM

    The reason this episode was just a Case of The Week, not so dramatic or huge episode is because of stupid FOX and their stupid scheduling. The next episode (which looks mindblowingly awesome) was supposed to be the Fall Finale, not this.

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  21. Oru AhNovember 19, 2011 at 5:21 AM

    I haven't seen the episode yet, but I can't understand why people are complaining about its monster-of-the-week nature. I mean, wake up people, MOTW episodes have ALWAYS been a part of Fringe, and they've always been used even in the middle of epic storylines.

    In season one, wasn't the episode between "Bad Dreams" and "The Road Not Taken" a MOTW episode? Wasn't "Northwest Passage" a MOTW episode? "The Plateau"? "Amber 31422"? Even last year's fall finale, "Marionette" was essentially a MOTW episode. All of those episodes were pretty much standalone, except for a couple of scenes, just like "Wallflower". You followed Fringe for 4 years and you only now realized that you don't like this formula?
    And do I have to remind you guys that they did pretty much the same thing at the beginning of season 3 with Olivia instead of Peter, and everyone was complaining about how boring and pointless it was only to completely change their opinion after "Entrada"?
    It's sad that we don't get to see the real fall finale until January, but blame baseball for that, not the writers!

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  22. AlexINTJNovember 19, 2011 at 5:49 AM

    I might be guessing here, but I think some of the vexation is coming from the number of MOTW episodes airing without cessation, or more rightly, the lack of episodes dealing with Fringe's main mythology or the questions regarding this year. Personally, a lot of my favorite episodes are standalones, but I didn't particularly like this one either.

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  23. Liv fanNovember 19, 2011 at 5:57 AM

    One word " Awesome! "

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  24. sawyerf8November 19, 2011 at 6:00 AM

    wooo what's with the hate? I liked it, but maybe it's also cause I think any Fringe episode is better than most of the things out there...
    I always wanted to see an invisibility-case since it was mentioned in the pilot ( Olivia: Invisibility, genetic-mutition, reanimation...) and it did start moving things forward: Peter working on the way getting home, Olivia/Nina, Olivia/Lincoln - which if it's really not Peter's Olivia then I'm very cool with that relationship, they do seem to like each other and look kinda cute
    I really hope they explain the whole alternate universe/alternate timeline - which universe/timeline we're actually seeing and how the hell it all connects, cause at the moment I can't wrap my mind around all this ( but love it - give it to me as complicated as you can, as long as they explain at all and it makes sense )
    Now the most important thing: I COULD TEAR NINA APART RIGHT NOW, At the end I was screaming YOU B*TCH!!!!!!!!

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  25. zeusfluffNovember 19, 2011 at 6:24 AM

    This epi was awesome! Gonna rewatch on the DVR tomorrow... Is it January 13th yet?

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  26. Totallyaddicted005November 19, 2011 at 6:55 AM

    Does anyone else notice... and thismight just be the way its filmed but this year it feels like its filmed differently in a way that makes teh actors look more like well, real people and not like actors on a screen. look at this epi with that in mind. They pop more. It also happened in Alone in the world with Olivia. 
    Its cool I just wonder what it is maybe a different camera man or producer. 

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  27. Dor FidererNovember 19, 2011 at 7:44 AM

    I agree! This season they focus on the actor's characteristics, and they let them more express themselves. I feel that the last 3 season gave on every episode much smaller importance to the plot and the development of our characters, but the case and the guest stars. I'm happy about this change!

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  28. Dor FidererNovember 19, 2011 at 7:45 AM

    Outstanding episode. Intolerable waiting.

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  29. MutsieNovember 19, 2011 at 8:27 AM

    ...More questions....and Nina WTFrog???
    ♥

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  30. LouNovember 19, 2011 at 10:47 AM

    I know some people will hate it especially the implied Lincoln/Olivia stuff but I really loved it, especially Peter being ok with it because its not his timeline (or is it??). Also loved the Peter/Lincoln scenes <3

    Poor poor Olivia can not catch a break no matter the universe, and Nina we always suspected in the Blue Verse she was a bit dodgy guess Orange Verse Nina really is!

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  31. DarqueModeNovember 19, 2011 at 12:26 PM

    I liked the stuff between Olivia and Lincoln too. Obviously in every universe thy have a connection and it plays out differently in each  one. That's the entire point of these alternate universe episodes in the end isn't it?

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  32. DarqueModeNovember 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM

    I think it started last year some, but really kicked into overdrive this season. In most of the past seasons we the viewer watched the scenes unfold as the characters played their parts. It was not exactly "distant" but it was more of a broad look into the scenes. 

    This year with many of the episodes it feels like we are watching the characters themselves within the scenes. More point of view and more personal than the first 2 seasons for sure....

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  33. DarqueModeNovember 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM

    I'm in the minority I think. I never looked at Fringe as the Walter, Olivia and Peter show (or their alternates later). For me it was always about the fringe events and the mystery. So this season has been just as enjoyable if not MORE than past seasons. Much better than Season One, and equal to Season Two so far (it's too early to say for sure).

    I would actually argue that this fourth season of Fringe has been MORE Fringe-y than the past seasons. Despite its lack of myth arc episodes, without Peter for most of the season so far, and without the dynamic many people love in the series.... I think that the entire parallel or alternate universe story has been more fringe science, more about the relationships, more about the story and more related to the overall themes of Fringe than ever before.

    I'm not saying it's been the best season so far.... just that it has been more true to its own identity than ever before.

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  34. DarqueModeNovember 19, 2011 at 12:36 PM

    The Nina scene at the end alone took this from "OK" to "Great" for me!

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  35. DarqueModeNovember 19, 2011 at 12:38 PM

    I took the flowers and everything U-gene did as part of his love for the elevator girl of his dreams, yes.

    He always felt invisible (or was literally) and just longed to be seen by people, but most of all to be seen by her. In the crazy mind of a stalker that was showing his love by breaking in and trashing her place with foliage. XD

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  36. EmilyNovember 19, 2011 at 12:39 PM

    To me it seemed it must be some kind of heavy dose emotion inhibitor: emotions are the key to triggering the cortexiphan abilities, so Nina, in her guardian role, chose to minimise her emotions to keep her under control, and in one universe - clearly Olive lost control enough to kill her step-father so probably Nina would've thought this was a safety measure...  It connects back with the re-cap at the start, and gives an answer to Olive's confusion. It must not be a regular dose tho, as clearly when it starts to wear off she starts questioning her disassociation and develops migraines; which also explains how, if she _is_ Peter's Olivia, she was sometimes having the dreams of him, and now seems completely blocked to him: I mean, there's no evidence she's even asked why beyond the initial reference.

    But that all makes too much sense to be the answer: not on Fringe!! :D

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  37. DarthLocke4November 19, 2011 at 1:48 PM

    LOVED It.

    Once again I think this episode touched on 'the evolution of the Observers', as I believe that in some timeline they were man-made...

    But more over I feel a little more justified that this is a previous iteration thinking about this line from "The Pilot", " Agent Dunham. I would say this to my own daughter: "Be careful and good luck."
    To explain what I mean check out this thread:http://www.spoilertv.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=23276

    I think the inner story was compelling, the idea of just wanting to "be seen" by someone. In this sense I feel more confident that this blue Lee and Olivia seem to belong together, although going with that theory, I suspect that if this time did exist and has already acted out before Peter came back to alter it, then perhaps that Olivia doesn't make it for the long hall...and this is what Peter is here to prevent. I then becomes clearer that William Bell's intrugion last season is what prevents Olivia from meeting Lee and continues to give Peter and Olivia a chance....

    The other nice thing is that it goes back to it's MD/Kelvin Genetic roots....I responded to another forum member about the purpose of showing us this:

    -We know that during the first 2 seasons, but especially season 1, that ZFT often had cases that stemmed from MD/Kelvin Genetic research, or MD/Kelvin Genetic scientist gone rougue (Steige, Penrose, Jones).In season 2 episode, "Of Human Action" the boy who could take control over Peter turned out to be a clone of Carson's son (Carson worked at MD) as part of a "Penrose-Carson Experiment", but the FRINGE Division NEVER learns this. The viewers are left with the impression that MUCH more goes on at MD than we think....So either they have shown us this because it still is going to come down to Massive Dynamic (and possibly Nina) in the end of the series, or they are showing us a POSITIVE PROGRESSION "if" Peter would exist. What I mean is, this timeline may have existed and is a previous iteration of "our" timeline....In the timeline where Peter(s) were not meant to exist (season 4), the roles that Peter had before (seasons 1-3) might have fallen onto other characters (ex: Olivia is now Peter, Peter was watched by Nina Sharp as a child, Olivia is now closer to Walter), and creates a more hostile bleak world. So that the timeline where September saves Peter and he is able to grow up, is the timeline where EVERYONE has the potential to be[come] "better". (Peter = Hope)It's clear that in this reality Nina is like our Walternate. Her adoption of Olivia is still "fated" and relates to our reality------->remember the Pilot: "Agent Dunham. I would say this to my own daughter: "Be careful and good luck." This Nina will stop at nothing for her experiements (like ZFT/End of Dayers) --Olivia was a cortixifan subject ---she has value to this Nina, but I fear what happens when Olivia gets in her way. We may meet Mr. X after all!!!

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  38. DarthLocke4November 19, 2011 at 1:50 PM

    I am saying no. 'His people' are out there where he left them at the end of "The Day We Died".

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  39. DarthLocke4November 19, 2011 at 1:53 PM

    I would agree. I think it's at a place where it is able to juggle all of it's elements together and keeps giving us something more and more interesting. It's got that season 1-2 Fringe edge, but yet it's still about Peter and his place/destiny/choices...I really am enjoying season 4!

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  40. DarthLocke4November 19, 2011 at 1:55 PM

    yeah, or at least to show Peter's existence in any universe (for a time) can cause positive progression....

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  41. LouNovember 19, 2011 at 2:07 PM

    Completely I think its a bit like Lost in terms of these set of characters are linked together no matter what

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  42. DarqueModeNovember 19, 2011 at 2:10 PM

    I liked the MOTW plot too. 

    It reminded of the Buffy episode "Out of Sight, Out of Mind" in Season One where the girl became invisible because no one noticed her. It had that same longing to be seen, to be accepted and interact  etc.

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  43. LouNovember 19, 2011 at 2:10 PM

    I love your thoughts, Peter = Hope is a good theory I think the Universe needs Peter because I think there will be a larger threat coming probably with ZFT that needs all of the timelines to work together or something

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  44. Jessica SanmartinNovember 19, 2011 at 2:15 PM

    I'm really not emotionally invested in this characters at all, which really pains me to say... And oh oh oh my god that ending I did not expect!

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  45. DarqueModeNovember 19, 2011 at 2:38 PM

    I knew it was somebody we were familiar with that was behind Olivia being dosed, but I did not expect Nina!  I thought maybe DRJ.....

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  46. Chiara BocciNovember 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM

    The U-Gene story was quite lame...
    Too few scenes with Walter, but I liked the one with the mice!

    And I like this Lincoln, more every week.

    Until the last scene I was "Not a good quality Fringe ep"...  and then... NINA happens! What's wrong with her!?!

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  47. Elen BigueliniNovember 19, 2011 at 3:16 PM

    I liked the episode.
    I enjoyed the Lincoln/Olivia scene, because I don´t see her as Peter´s Olivia. and Eugene´s story was cute, in a way, all he wanted was to be seen.
    But the ending was the best part, I was NOT expecting it.

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  48. Jessica SanmartinNovember 19, 2011 at 3:25 PM

    I agree! I know they never really established a somewhat benevolent moral compass for Nina but this a little too much I think. She adopted this girls simply because it benefit her to continue to experiment on Olivia, that's one wickedly convoluted mind!

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  49. Abhishek Bilkan AindNovember 19, 2011 at 3:26 PM

    Well said Sir. :)
    And on the note of "wanting to be seen..." is a really haunting topic in real life scenario. Humans by nature wants belongings, acceptance and most of all validity. This episode's plot showed it well.
    It is a bit off topic but there's a similar scenario in the game .hack//GU vol.2 where one of the titular character states, "I dressed like them... I tried to talk like them. I worked so hard to be noticed. I really tried my best."
    And then she goes berserk... says, "Why doesn't anybody look at me?"
    She goes invisible in between only to state, "I want to look at me!"

    We overlook those who are seen... how can we see those who are already unseen?

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  50. laura3341November 19, 2011 at 3:30 PM

    OH Nina,what the hell are you up to now? Olivia trusts you,a mother figure to her,and here you are jamming a damn needle into her neck...how i wanted to scream,but my neighbors would of called the cops thinking i was being killed.Nina will get hers one day,which will probably be sooner rather then later,i hope she gets it in spades......I actually felt bad for u-gene at the end,he had his aha moment when the lady spoke to him, after she said she was thinking about him,it registered on his face,the connection was made..he died.
    Maybe Walter wasn't on long enough this week,but is was Walter, talking to Astrid,with a mouth full of beer battered onions rings while watching her examine that dead person.You could tell he was thoroughly enjoying himself,almost with glee! ....
    If they are so afraid that Peter might do something that might harm someone, why was he with Olivia and Lincoln,even though they have guns he still could have caused harm to them?.....one thing i think Olivia needs to do is not care deeply for someone who she works with,it never ends or even begins well for her.She lost her first love in season one,Peter last season,and now poor Lincoln this season.It seems no matter which timeline/reality Olivia can't be happy,not for long anyway...
     

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  51. carobrazilNovember 19, 2011 at 3:34 PM

    look...don´t hate me...but can liv and linc ( here and there ) stay together some seasons, and peter with his father....and just in the end of show our liv go with peter...the show maybe get some audience...more developments...more cases strongs like today =)

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  52. AshwaqNovember 19, 2011 at 3:47 PM

    I was expecting an 'explosive' kinda finale but with that ending ........ awesome awesome awesome awesome...

    Loved all the Lincoln/Olivia scenes we got and I strongly root for them <333333333333 I'll be so sad to leave this universe :(

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  53. Jessica SanmartinNovember 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM

    I've been reading a lot of the comments, not only from this episode, and I read that a lot of people think that this is another universe, I have to say I'm not so sure about that. I know Peter certainly believes so as well... I believe that this is Peter's Universe. He was removed from his time line, and that affects all the people with whom he was involved, I think he's wrong to believe otherwise. He's trying to get back home, but I believe there's no home to get back, I think his home has moved on without him. Like the Observer said at the end of last season he was removed.

    This is why I'm having so much trouble with the Olivia/Lincoln thing, intrinsically this Olivia is very different but one in the same with Peter's Olivia, which just reaffirms the fact, in my mind of course, that his Olivia does not exist, and that makes me sad!

    That's what I think at least.

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  54. MutsieNovember 19, 2011 at 4:06 PM

    *This Episode had  a lot of similarity with the X-files 4-06:"Teliko" ^^;!

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  55. LostGorillazNovember 19, 2011 at 4:11 PM

    Why was this episode called Wallflower, dont get the significance 

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  56. LostGorillazNovember 19, 2011 at 4:13 PM

    Ah it ok I get it... wallflower a type of loner... courtesy of google and urban dictionary

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  57. LostGorillazNovember 19, 2011 at 4:18 PM

    But the question who is The Wallflower, Peter, Olivia or Eugene

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  58. DarthLocke4November 19, 2011 at 4:20 PM

    Thanks for sharing that! --The game sounds interesting! !!!

    --There are definately BSG/Caprica themes and references in FRINGE too! (advanced tech run amuck, super soldiers turning on their makers, terrorists seeking apotheosis, opera house, BSG Game, Paula Malcomson guest stared, ect) --This idea that humans create other living things, that for what ever reason go wrong, and instead of embracing them as our own children, to attempt to correct the situation, we often turn against "them" and insist that "they" are not like us, when it's clear they are an extension of us. --That's why I think the Observers are rather important, because they sort of harbor the idea of 'the perfect soldier'...it will be interesting to see what their final place will be at the end of series!

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  59. DarthLocke4November 19, 2011 at 4:32 PM

    I think your last sentence is def the thematic point of the season, if not the series. Interestingly the blue Olivias and Peter(s) share a sense of loss of family. That each in either timeline don't make it (Peters in this timeline die, other blue Peter dies), and [blue] Olivia(s) is/are subjected to not stay with her father, be abused by her step father, and eventually looses her/their mother(s). These two characters specifically have lacked family, and so trying to save Olivia(s) might be the key saving 'the future' and finding a place for Peter physically exist.

    It's very interesting to see the show get back to it's season 1 and 2 roots and cast another light on it...I kind of feel that Nina is in the role of our previous Walternate....but perhaps the bigger picture suggests that Peter being able to exist "somewheres" can save life and produce the capacity for all people to be "better" (Be Better Than Your Father -->aka: be better than your previous incarnations -timeline/iteration), as seen in the first three seasons...

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  60. DarqueModeNovember 19, 2011 at 6:37 PM

    I'm not sure it is a new universe, but like you stated, Peter thinks it is. So sometimes I just refer to it as such I guess.

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  61. Alexis LeighNovember 19, 2011 at 7:53 PM

    ha! i had to look it up too because i thought it was a very weird title...

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  62. Jessica SanmartinNovember 19, 2011 at 9:14 PM

    I'm not saying that's wrong, maybe it is a new Universe. I do hope Peter's Universe still exists. I really can't wait to see it all explained I guess! ;-p

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  63. EmilyNovember 19, 2011 at 9:22 PM

    The biggest clue, I think, is the colour of the opening sequence: Amber - and the point of Amber is to hold in stasis, the people are still alive inside, but unable to do anything; but its still part of the world...

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  64. EmilyNovember 19, 2011 at 9:29 PM

    Or D) All of the above! A wallflower is specifically someone who gets overlooked while at an event: no-one asks them to dance. The implication is that the person is watching the world pass by, having fun without them and all three characters expressed this feeling at some point during the episode. Walter and Lincoln could also be classed in here!

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  65. Ryan CohenNovember 19, 2011 at 10:28 PM

    soooo good!!!

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  66. Jessica SanmartinNovember 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM

    I hadn't consider that before, perhaps something needs to happen to make everything "normal", or make people remember, a catalyst of some sort!

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  67. DarthLocke4November 20, 2011 at 12:28 AM

    I think the problem is the Observers outside of Liberty Island ("The Day We Died") make it appear like they removed Peter from the timeline, but it's possible that either they don't quite get what's happening, or from that point on (since now we know that both pairs of these universes are bridged by the machines) we have been seeing "past versions" of the Observers...

    "Alone In The World" IMO gave the plot away...the idea that we can find other matter (the episode used fungus as a metaphor) --other universes, and "network" them back to 'ours'.

    But we have also been dealing with loops and resets which cause loops and/or new branch offs of reality...It's my guess that this timeline is a previous (not directly before, but sometime before) iteration of Peter's timeline...he may be able to change the fate of the people in this time, so he can change the fate of the people in his timelines'/pair of parallel's future (reciprocity--save Olivias--save the worlds!) 

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  68. María VegasNovember 20, 2011 at 12:55 AM

    Wouldn't the Observers be the ultimate Wallflowers?

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  69. Aeryn97November 20, 2011 at 4:37 AM

    An OK episode for me. The only thing interesting was Nina at the end that's it! :(

    I wasn't interested in that particular case of the week. Bland as someone said above. The only thing that I liked regarding the case was the moment when the girl in the elevartor aknowledged him and he died soon after experiencing what he was looking for for so long, really bittersweet.

    I really but really don't like all the Lincoln/Olivia stuff going on....never was fond of them being together. I've always preferred them as great buddies then potential lovers ....so yeah apart from the case, that development is another big reason for why I didn't like this epi. It actually made me cringe (sorry can't help it)...

    Then that are they/are they not our blue characters confusion is still making me hesitant to connect with them....For the moment the only character I care about is Peter but I find myself unable to invest/connect emotionally with the others and that is a big turn off for me. I am a character driven person. I watch shows for the characters' stories, the science fiction background while good is not enough to keep me interested it's just an added bonus....so yeah this season 4 is increasingly getting harder to connect to, It's Fringe without really being Fringe :(

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  70. Adam D. HarrisNovember 20, 2011 at 12:21 PM

    So Peter's gonna regret setting Lincoln and Olivia up together with the new funky glasses when he realises that this Olivia actually is his Olivia... 

    Overall, liked the episode, but I feel it's position as "New Fall Finale" means that right now more people will be disappointed in it than had episode 8 aired next week... 

    Nina Sharp's storyline, and the "connection" with Olivia has been boring me this season, I haven't cared for a set-up that has no pay-off long term as it's not what really happened, so it's nice to see her back to her darker side!

    Missing the alternate characters a bit, Fauxlivia, Walternate, Lincoln and so on, but from the preview for next year it looks like we'll see them some more.

    For a while I was thinking uGene looked very much like the Michael Cerveris, and I was hoping that there may have been some clever twist to some time-bending origins for The Observer, but it was not to be...

    Overall, I say bring on next year! and David Robert Jones!

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  71. Jessica SanmartinNovember 20, 2011 at 12:49 PM

    If I understood correctly ;-) I guess that makes sense as well, I don't really think is possible for the observers not to know something but I guess will see how it pans out. I'm guessing Peter needs to talk to them and maybe perhaps get on that machine to get their attention, I don't know anymore my brain hurts =S

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  72. PorochazNovember 20, 2011 at 1:59 PM

    I dont know why but I didn't enjoy it much, I felt it dragged on and whilst I had a few jumpy moments and the cliffhanger was good it didn't make up for the fact that even for a filler episode, not a lot happened.

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  73. DarthLocke4November 20, 2011 at 2:05 PM

    I suspect like people, they each have their own past, present, and future....memory (the order of things) is identity. It's no different than anyone else', except that they can go to more places/spaces/times. Everything in the universe(s) is moving, so everything in the universe is time traveling, but it's the speed at which things travel that could in theory initiate pop culture def of 'time travel'. The Observers are still like people it's just that they have less limitations in terms of their existence in the physical sense.

    They could have been trying to do whatever they are still doing for a long time, so it is possible that their past actions still exist in past timelines those actions were acted. (it's just that they might not age, or that they age VERY slowly and so we have no way to really mark "when" they exist "where" FIRST.)

    But they could also be following Peter...and that they just don't understand themselves why he would end up in a time where he shouldn't/didn't originally exist?

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  74. DarthLocke4November 20, 2011 at 2:14 PM

    Disagree. "LSD" gives us Mr. X (the person who is going to kill 'Olivia') and a Bad Nina Sharp. IMO our Olivia back shaddowed this other version of herself (Deja vu = seeing previous iterations of self)...this might be the timeline she viewed in "The Road Not Taken".

    After reading the new comics, I feel a strong connection to the idea that Peter has to save this other Olivia's life...in order to save his and go home.

    Walter's hatred towards Nina is similar to our Walter's hatred towards Walternate...this is why I believe this NIna is the villian of this timeline (She owns MD, not Walter---did she lie about the will?) and I bet the new Shapeshifters are MD's!  (Shapeshifter posing as Nadine Park mirrored Red Olivia with messages of the advanced typewriter) It's clear from "Wallflower"'s cliff hanger that this Nina will stop at nothing to continue her research and preserve her experiements (including the cortixifaned Olivia). -She was also a little too interested when she learned 'a Peter Bishop' arrived.

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  75. LinlighthouseNovember 20, 2011 at 2:36 PM

    Oooh, yeah. And that girl killed people and kidnapped Cordy, as I remember. And it ended badly for her just like for U-Gene.

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  76. LinlighthouseNovember 20, 2011 at 2:48 PM

    I LOVED it. But I see there are 18 awful votes, too much to all be trolls. So some people didn't like it, but what's not to like? The story was advanced hugely! We now have two months to ponder what's going on. It seems that Nina wants Peter to leave this universe. That means she's injecting everybody (and no one's detecting needle marks on their arms). From the last season finale, the second Peter disappeared, he was completely forgotten. No time to inject anyone.

    I really liked the story of invisible man, killing people to steal their pigment so he could be seen. I agree with others that it is a universal truth that we all want to be seen.

    Everyone loves Walter when he's emotional and cries, but I like Walter best when he's mumbling on the phone with onion rings in his mouth, and telling Astrid she must have been a boring child. Good scene!

    One of the best episodes.

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  77. LinlighthouseNovember 20, 2011 at 3:30 PM

    Also, anyone see the Observer? I didn't.

    Anyone decode the glyphs?

    What IS with the handprint?

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  78. PorochazNovember 20, 2011 at 3:46 PM

    In the crowd when everyone goes back into the apartment near the end.

    The glyphs said DAVID

    and I dont know what you mean by the last question

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  79. LinlighthouseNovember 20, 2011 at 5:28 PM

    Thank you. I'll look for that.

    I guess that's David character that's returning soon. David Robert Jones, I think.

    The handprint glyph, and the fact that we first saw it when Peter touched something. It looks like fingerprint powder.

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  80. DarthLocke4November 20, 2011 at 6:00 PM

    Perhaps this (David) has double meaning to LOST fans...
    Part of Fringe's theme is "to better than your father", macrocosmically we could look at the universe(s) this way, since we know from "The Day We Died" and comic tie-in, "Peter and the Machine" that black wholes are made 'at the beginning of time', which then can create an alternate reality or realities, over and over again. --So in essence if we coudl compare iterations of timelines, then we could decide if Progress is made, and I think that's the point of Peter existing "here" for now.

    The Flash Sideways IMO was a transitional plane between corporeal lifetimes. I believed that the characters went through several timelines with very similar sanaros many times for "the group inside the church" to be able to really progress. In that FS I believe we saw the beginnings of their new timeline, one without direct contact with the Island. And they had to remember their past first, before they could truly "move on to" the next timeline....David was then created...and it was David that allowed Jack to come to terms with his father --which he couldn't have with Sarah. 

    It might be that David Robert Jones in this upcoming episode pushes something father and son related between Peter and this other Walternate to a new place or understanding...

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  81. Stupot815November 20, 2011 at 8:28 PM

    His name was Eugene
    He killed people in order to feed on a particular bodily substance
    He had a secret base where he goes to recoup between feedings
    Said base is full of personal items taken from his victims

    Yes... He is Tooms!  Only about 100 times less scary.

    Maybe they'd call it a 'nod' to The X-Files, but I call it unoriginality.
    And rip-off aside, this was a really sub-mediocre episode.  Eugene was about as average as a monster-of-the-week can get.

    I swear at one point Astrid or Dunham says 'Walter' and it sounds like 'Mulder'.

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  82. Abhishek Bilkan AindNovember 20, 2011 at 10:22 PM

    Very Interesting! Until now I was thinking rather skewed, that observers might be some kind of non human race keeping an eye on timeline variance but it seems most of super fans here like you, have better notions. 

    And now that you've said that Observers might be human creation... may be they are advanced version of Prototype-1-> Olivia... I mean she can jump between alternate time lines/universes isn't she? And considering every weird bionics stemming because of Massive Dynamics (Nina drugging Liv) I have suspicions on that regards too. ;)

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  83. spileggiNovember 21, 2011 at 12:55 AM

    You do understand that this episode was not intended to be the fall finale, right?


    4x08 was supposed to be but it got pushed to 2012 because of the baseball.

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  84. LinlighthouseNovember 21, 2011 at 3:39 AM

    That would be nice. I'd like to see Peter and Walternate get to know each other better.

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  85. neon_rubyNovember 21, 2011 at 2:51 PM

    Great ep. That was a hell of a last scene - can't believe we have to wait until next year to see where it goes. The case wasn't that great but I loved the internal dilemma Olivia was having. Shame Peter didn't have more interaction but I'm sure there's more to come.

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  86. DarthLocke4November 21, 2011 at 5:45 PM

    I would like that too, because I really think Walternate is our timeline's problem...

    I also was thinking about "The Last Sam Weiss" and how Peter woke up and wanted to "go home". He went to the pawn shop, then to liberty Island because he wanted to show his father, Walternate something...I don't  know if it was the coin he bought or something else, but maybe that whole "confused" state of Peter will also relate to this????????

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  87. Bruce_FNovember 21, 2011 at 8:56 PM

    Except for the end, this was dull and depressing.  The should have done an "over there" episode and tacked the ending of this episode onto it.

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  88. Jessica SanmartinNovember 21, 2011 at 10:48 PM

    I think you've hit the spots and I do believe their past actions do still exists and they have the ability to alter them as well. There was an episode, I think last season where they brought the dead son of an artist from the past, so they've established that perfectly, and I do think that, as far as the promo has given us, they really don't understand how Peter has come to be here and now.

    So that final thought of yours is what I think they're trying to explore in the upcoming episodes.

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  89. Liz NguyenDecember 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

    The episode by itself was great. The foreshadowing of the case of the week in relation to the bigger storyline was genius; what it means to exist. I think I was only disappointed because due to unforseen circumstances it was the default midseason finale episode.

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  95. AnastasiaDecember 15, 2011 at 6:20 PM

    It was a great episode, but probably not the best choice for the winter finale

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  96. BismaDecember 21, 2011 at 6:36 PM

    Well atleast its not so long until Jan! 
    and man, i miss Peter being more involved!!

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