Poor Cas, seems like he went to Crowley as a last resort. But why would they die? Has Raphael become extremely powerful? How? Hope we get some answers about the angel stuff. BTW, love all the references to the previous Big Baddies.
It's true ... Crowley may not be the most powerful thing the Winchesters have faced, but he knows them the best (assuming Cas doesn't actually become a Big Bad himself), and he's one of the smartest. He would know better than to underestimate them. Cas playing both teams can't end well, because Crowley's going to go after the boys at some point, and given that's it's almost the finale I'm thinking sooner rather than later, and I'm worried Cas will pick the wrong side. Also, who has that kind of power? Is this what Death wanted them to stop all that time ago? Or maybe it has to do with Chuck's return? Pretty good twist there, Sera Gamble.
Yay Cass is not bad! Well at least not completely bad :D he's still protecting the boys. And i love how Crowley seeing Sam and Dean as a big threat to him. He knows that they killed all of their enemies and he's next. He's kind of scared and i love it! So yeah, now Sam and Dean are the most dangerous hunters for all baddies :D
You should be afraid of the Winchesters, Crowley...... very afraid. And Cas really thinks he can keep them away? Good luck with that Cas....... Nobody messes with the boys and gets away with it - not even you
i love castiel...see that he didn't want the death of the brothers, that's great...but i hope that the brothers will know that...because i don't want to see the brothers thinking than cass wanted them death...i think, in the end, cass must choose a side and dying for saving dean/sam...i must to know before the end of the season if castiel will be back next year...because if it's that the way that the spn staff find to put out this awesome character after 3 year of loyal duties that will be a shame...he deserved more than turning evil side or dying hating by the boys....really i hate what they're doing to this character...i'm pissed off...why spn staff and cw tell nothing about cass/misha?
OMG!!! That is all I can think right now! Wow. Crowley nailed it.
What did Crowley call the Winchesters? Dirty Rat Bastards? I couldn't understand what with his accent and the yelling! What a great scene! I can't wait to see this episode.
At first I could have cared less about a Cas centric episode, but after last week's episode, the promo, and this clip I'm about to cancel my weekend plans to stay at home and watch! I can't wait to see it!
As much as I'd hate it to happen, I think it would be an awesome and tragical twist if Dean was forced to kill Cas. But that's pretty unlikely. Maybe Cas will come to his senses at the very last moment and throw himself to die in defense of Sam and Dean? That would be pretty epic too. I mean, I don't want the guy to die, I still love him, but sometimes a spectacular farewell is better for a character than sticking around forever to become uninteresting.
Mostly tragic, but goodness, what a twist it would be for Dean to kill him! I would bawl my eyes out and then get really really drunk! And Cas throwing himself in front of Sam and Dean would be epic as well ,you're right. Gah >.< So scared lol
Prefer the second version - sacrifice over betrayal till the death. Besides, killing Cass? That would be just too much for Dean to handle. He's Cass' best friend! The last one who doubts his bad intentions!
I think this is a flashback to the period of caged heat. After crowley killed the alpha shapeshifter but before samuel zapped cas away and crowley fed dean to the ghouls.
How should I put this... WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!?!?!?! Why is it still Tuesday,WHY?? And no,Crowley,no one will be killing the Winchester any time soon and especially not Cas!What's wrong with you!?!?
The Winchesters are Castiel's bestest friends; of course he isn't going to kill them. Gosh Crowley... you really don't know anything about your new partner in crime. I highly doubt that Cas will die. All will probably be forgiven after the Man Who Would Be King.
I watched the clip this morning while on break at work... what a bad idea! I couldn't concentrate for the rest of the day. And I can't stop watching it now! All I can say is OMFG Cas WTF have you gotten yourself into? O_o I think Crowley might end up being the big bad this season. He sure seems to be behind an awful lot of the things that have or are currently going on. Eve's pissed at him. Cas is working with him. I wonder if he's going to be one of our two unexpected deaths? I'm glad that Cas is still showing emotion when it comes to the boys... gives me hope that he'll realize what he is and has been doing is wrong. This episode is going to be INTENSE. I can't wait to see it. I also can't wait to see what's revealed during it. I LOVE THIS #$*@^&! SHOW!!!
If I was Cass I would be more afraid to betray and pissed the Winchesters off than fight Rapheal 0.o ANGRY and Hurt boys are more scary than any monsters
I'm glad Crowley is back (he's great) but it's too bad Cas had to make some piss-poor personal decisions to make it happen. Crowley was right about the Winchesters. Crossing the boys will get you killed. It doesn't matter how popular you are.
For an "emotionless" angel, Cas sure seems defeated in this clip. Hmm, just throwing it out there, but what if Cas becomes human in the end? I would prefer anything rather than him dying, or worse, being killed by Dean.... That would be HORRIBLE! You know, Dean worked for Crowely for a time, you would hope that he can understand that desperate times call for desperate measures....
I found this interesting: "Someone (human? angel? demon?) will die and someone will be transformed. Prepare to gasp, possibly cry and write angry forum entries." Found here: http://www.tvguide.com/photogallery/watch-finales-scoop-1032259#1032291
Okay,let's NOT panic here..First of all,thanks for the link! : ) "Someone will die and someone will be transformed." It says "possibly cry"..It wouldn't say "possibly cry" if Cas or Bobby were do die,right?It would say "prepare to cry your eyes out"..So,my theory is that Cas is the one that will be transformed.He either loses his powers and becomes human or he becomes an archangel(I don't know if that can actually happen,but lets pretend that it can).. "Someone will die"..Really die or Supernatural die??My candidates for dying are Raphael,Crowley(although,I think that he may officially become the Big Bad in season 7),Balthazar("possibly cry" would work here),Dr.Visyak and maybe Lisa(but I don't think they'll go there)!
PS: I just saw that IMDb has Mark Pellegrino credited in the last episode.Not the most trustworthy source,I know,but still..Maybe we'll see flashbacks from Sam's time in Lucifer's Cage..
So it appears the Winchesters are Cas's achilles heal. He made a sacrifice in his war effort when Fate threatened to kill them, and the brothers seem to be a danger to his plans with Crowley. Does that finally make Cas part of the Winchester family?
Theorizing here ... I still think soulless Sam was involved in this somehow. I'm not going to repeat all my reasons here, but there were a lot of suspicious conversations in the first half, especially in Caged Heat. I had thought Sam might have been working with Cas, but apparently from this clip, he was not a friend of Crowley's. So this is my theory now. I like soulless Sam as the engineer who created a device that can harvest power of souls, and he gave this to Cas. It's why Cas "owes" Sam, and why Sam seemed to be suggesting that Cas use the monsters in Crowley's prison for some other purpose (Caged Heat). It's also why Cas was so afraid that Dean might kill Sam or disable him by putting his soul back. Cas has been using Sam's help in his war effort. I think Sam knew Samuel was with Crowley but didn't know that Cas and Crowley were working together. Who pulled Sam out of the cage? The horseman War. The unifying theme this season has been war, and he pulled a consciousless Sam out of the pit so that he could stir up a war.
I wouldn't think that demons, satan, angels, etc., would still be in their vessels when they are in Heaven and Hell, so I figured that when people saw representations of people down there, it's not really literal. They see whatever there mind wants to see. In our glimpses of Dean down in Hell, we saw his body, and he had the sensation of being cut up and torn apart, but his body wasn't really there.
Yeah,I know!But remember when Sam and Dean went to Heaven and Zachariah told them that they only see him in his human vessel,cause they are "limited"..Maybe that's how it works in Hell as well!Maybe humans see only what they can perceive...
I like your theory!When we first saw the "You owe me" line,I thought he meant,"You owe me,cause I sacrificed myself to stop the Apocalypse." But what you're saying is possible!Although,even soulless,Sam's frustration about Cas not showing up during the one year seemed genuine.. I don't know about your theory about War..It's been a long time since we last saw him and it would be weird to suddenly use him for something THAT big.It's not like Lenore showing up..She only helped track Eve and then she was gone(literally)..Pulling Sam out of the cage is huge! But I agree that Sam's soul will somehow connect with the deal between Cas and Crowley.I was thinking that maybe Crowley was the one to seek out Cas..Maybe Cas refused to work with him at first and Crowley told him that he could try to break Sam out of the cage.Because the Winchester's truly are his achilles heel,for that I'm sure! Generally,I think that part of the deal was for the Winchesters to remain unharmed(and that's why the dialogue in the clip).I thought it was a little weird that after stopping the long-awaited fight between Lucifer and Michael,Dean just went and lived a normal life with no one coming after him(angel or demon)..Maybe Crowley was supposed to keep his demons away from Dean.
I like the idea that part of Cas's deal with Crowley was that the Winchesters remain unharmed, and maybe that was a contributing factor to Dean's year of peace. Was Eve behind the djinns finally catching up with Dean - because she wanted Dean in the game to try to stop Crowley?
As Crowley noted in an earlier episode, Sam always tries to kill Crowley when he sees him. I think Sam was trying to kill Crowley in Caged Heat, not get his soul back. Crowley was worried that Cas couldn't stop Sam so he had Samuel zap Cas away and quickly tried to kill Dean and Sam with the ghouls. It didn't work though and Cas returned. Cas faked Crowley's death so that Sam would stop going after Crowley.
I hope Crowley has what is coming to him, sooner rather than later. I think Cas is protecting Sam and Dean (and isn't that what angels are supposed to do after all?) and he won't let anything happen to them. He would sacrifice his own life before theirs and that is why angels become angels in heaven.
I'm guessing they mean that if Raphael springs Michael and Lucifer from the cage, Michael and Lucifer will torture Cas and Crowley for eternity since they both played a role in putting them in the cage. Hell's torture seems to be a person dying over and over again (what Dean remembered from Hell and what we saw in the few seconds of Sam's time in Hell), so that's what Cas and Crowley are expecting as their fate.
So, I'm guessing angels and demons can never rest (Cas keeps coming back, Crowley) until purgatory is found. Perhaps G*D is there? I'm sure Cas really thought he killed Crowley, it's just they keep coming back?
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Poor Cas, seems like he went to Crowley as a last resort. But why would they die? Has Raphael become extremely powerful? How? Hope we get some answers about the angel stuff. BTW, love all the references to the previous Big Baddies.
ReplyDeleteI DONT LIKE THIS! I wanna cry I hate this! DAMN IT!
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I am glad that Cas doesn't want to kill Sam and Dean.
ReplyDeleteIt's true ... Crowley may not be the most powerful thing the Winchesters have faced, but he knows them the best (assuming Cas doesn't actually become a Big Bad himself), and he's one of the smartest. He would know better than to underestimate them. Cas playing both teams can't end well, because Crowley's going to go after the boys at some point, and given that's it's almost the finale I'm thinking sooner rather than later, and I'm worried Cas will pick the wrong side.
ReplyDeleteAlso, who has that kind of power? Is this what Death wanted them to stop all that time ago? Or maybe it has to do with Chuck's return? Pretty good twist there, Sera Gamble.
IT JUST GOT REAL. HOLY CRAP.
ReplyDeleteYay Cass is not bad! Well at least not completely bad :D he's still protecting the boys. And i love how Crowley seeing Sam and Dean as a big threat to him. He knows that they killed all of their enemies and he's next. He's kind of scared and i love it! So yeah, now Sam and Dean are the most dangerous hunters for all baddies :D
ReplyDeleteYou should be afraid of the Winchesters, Crowley...... very afraid.
ReplyDeleteAnd Cas really thinks he can keep them away? Good luck with that Cas.......
Nobody messes with the boys and gets away with it - not even you
i love castiel...see that he didn't want the death of the brothers, that's great...but i hope that the brothers will know that...because i don't want to see the brothers thinking than cass wanted them death...i think, in the end, cass must choose a side and dying for saving dean/sam...i must to know before the end of the season if castiel will be back next year...because if it's that the way that the spn staff find to put out this awesome character after 3 year of loyal duties that will be a shame...he deserved more than turning evil side or dying hating by the boys....really i hate what they're doing to this character...i'm pissed off...why spn staff and cw tell nothing about cass/misha?
ReplyDeleteOMG!!! That is all I can think right now! Wow. Crowley nailed it.
ReplyDeleteWhat did Crowley call the Winchesters? Dirty Rat Bastards? I couldn't understand what with his accent and the yelling! What a great scene! I can't wait to see this episode.
At first I could have cared less about a Cas centric episode, but after last week's episode, the promo, and this clip I'm about to cancel my weekend plans to stay at home and watch! I can't wait to see it!
If Cas is the one to pay the price at the end then I am glad I don't watch this show. Poor baby. :(
ReplyDeleteI think the 3rd word is ''nigthmares'' but I,m not sure
ReplyDeleteAs much as I'd hate it to happen, I think it would be an awesome and tragical twist if Dean was forced to kill Cas. But that's pretty unlikely. Maybe Cas will come to his senses at the very last moment and throw himself to die in defense of Sam and Dean? That would be pretty epic too. I mean, I don't want the guy to die, I still love him, but sometimes a spectacular farewell is better for a character than sticking around forever to become uninteresting.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe he doesn't mention Eve because she isn't important to demons (she was never a threat for them).
ReplyDeleteI wasn't sure either. I thought I heard denim wrapped bastards, but what you said makes more sense. lol
ReplyDeleteMostly tragic, but goodness, what a twist it would be for Dean to kill him! I would bawl my eyes out and then get really really drunk!
ReplyDeleteAnd Cas throwing himself in front of Sam and Dean would be epic as well ,you're right. Gah >.< So scared lol
Prefer the second version - sacrifice over betrayal till the death. Besides, killing Cass? That would be just too much for Dean to handle. He's Cass' best friend! The last one who doubts his bad intentions!
ReplyDeleteCompletely agree;)
ReplyDelete;-; nooo....no Dean killing Cas...I'm already booked to cry on the finale, can't cry twice in the same season it's not good for my health
ReplyDeleteThat is enough to make me frightened.
ReplyDeleteWhat the "we will both die again and again until the end of eternity" means???
ReplyDeleteAnd don't forget he was the one that took him out of hell.
ReplyDeleteI think this is a flashback to the period of caged heat. After crowley killed the alpha shapeshifter but before samuel zapped cas away and crowley fed dean to the ghouls.
ReplyDeleteHow should I put this...
ReplyDeleteWHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!?!?!?!
Why is it still Tuesday,WHY??
And no,Crowley,no one will be killing the Winchester any time soon and especially not Cas!What's wrong with you!?!?
AHHH WHAT IS GOING ON???
ReplyDeleteThis episode is going to be awesome! By the way, remember when Crowley called the Winchesters "functioning morons" ? haha
And Mark Sheppard is beyond awesome in this clip.
The Winchesters are Castiel's bestest friends; of course he isn't going to kill them. Gosh Crowley... you really don't know anything about your new partner in crime. I highly doubt that Cas will die. All will probably be forgiven after the Man Who Would Be King.
ReplyDeletetotally agree
ReplyDeleteI think you might be right. and to keep Dean and Sam from getting Crowley he pretended to burn his bones so Crowley could work in secret.
ReplyDeleteI watched the clip this morning while on break at work... what a bad idea! I couldn't concentrate for the rest of the day. And I can't stop watching it now! All I can say is OMFG Cas WTF have you gotten yourself into? O_o
ReplyDeleteI think Crowley might end up being the big bad this season. He sure seems to be behind an awful lot of the things that have or are currently going on. Eve's pissed at him. Cas is working with him. I wonder if he's going to be one of our two unexpected deaths? I'm glad that Cas is still showing emotion when it comes to the boys... gives me hope that he'll realize what he is and has been doing is wrong. This episode is going to be INTENSE. I can't wait to see it. I also can't wait to see what's revealed during it.
I LOVE THIS #$*@^&! SHOW!!!
If I was Cass I would be more afraid to betray and pissed the Winchesters off than fight Rapheal 0.o ANGRY and Hurt boys are more scary than any monsters
ReplyDeleteI'm glad Crowley is back (he's great) but it's too bad Cas had to make some piss-poor personal decisions to make it happen. Crowley was right about the Winchesters. Crossing the boys will get you killed. It doesn't matter how popular you are.
ReplyDeleteI think it was "denim-wrapped nightmares".
ReplyDeleteHe was yelling a lot, wasn't he? ;D
Can't wait!
For an "emotionless" angel, Cas sure seems defeated in this clip. Hmm, just throwing it out there, but what if Cas becomes human in the end? I would prefer anything rather than him dying, or worse, being killed by Dean.... That would be HORRIBLE!
ReplyDeleteYou know, Dean worked for Crowely for a time, you would hope that he can understand that desperate times call for desperate measures....
I'd settle for him becoming human, too. I'll be absolutely devastating if he dies!!! :(
ReplyDeleteI totally agree, too. Though, If Castiel does have to go, I want his death to be a worthy one, for him to go out with a bang.
ReplyDeleteI found this interesting: "Someone (human? angel? demon?) will die and someone will be transformed. Prepare to gasp, possibly cry and write angry forum entries." Found here: http://www.tvguide.com/photogallery/watch-finales-scoop-1032259#1032291
ReplyDeleteCas isn't emotionaless... He spent a whole year with his bff Dean and his bff's huge brother Sam learning emotions.
ReplyDeleteOkay,let's NOT panic here..First of all,thanks for the link! : )
ReplyDelete"Someone will die and someone will be transformed."
It says "possibly cry"..It wouldn't say "possibly cry" if Cas or Bobby were do die,right?It would say "prepare to cry your eyes out"..So,my theory is that Cas is the one that will be transformed.He either loses his powers and becomes human or he becomes an archangel(I don't know if that can actually happen,but lets pretend that it can)..
"Someone will die"..Really die or Supernatural die??My candidates for dying are Raphael,Crowley(although,I think that he may officially become the Big Bad in season 7),Balthazar("possibly cry" would work here),Dr.Visyak and maybe Lisa(but I don't think they'll go there)!
PS: I just saw that IMDb has Mark Pellegrino credited in the last episode.Not the most trustworthy source,I know,but still..Maybe we'll see flashbacks from Sam's time in Lucifer's Cage..
Except Nick never went into the cage, Lucifer was in Sam's body when he fell
ReplyDeleteSo it appears the Winchesters are Cas's achilles heal. He made a sacrifice in his war effort when Fate threatened to kill them, and the brothers seem to be a danger to his plans with Crowley. Does that finally make Cas part of the Winchester family?
ReplyDeleteTheorizing here ... I still think soulless Sam was involved in this somehow. I'm not going to repeat all my reasons here, but there were a lot of suspicious conversations in the first half, especially in Caged Heat. I had thought Sam might have been working with Cas, but apparently from this clip, he was not a friend of Crowley's. So this is my theory now. I like soulless Sam as the engineer who created a device that can harvest power of souls, and he gave this to Cas. It's why Cas "owes" Sam, and why Sam seemed to be suggesting that Cas use the monsters in Crowley's prison for some other purpose (Caged Heat). It's also why Cas was so afraid that Dean might kill Sam or disable him by putting his soul back. Cas has been using Sam's help in his war effort. I think Sam knew Samuel was with Crowley but didn't know that Cas and Crowley were working together. Who pulled Sam out of the cage? The horseman War. The unifying theme this season has been war, and he pulled a consciousless Sam out of the pit so that he could stir up a war.
I wouldn't think that demons, satan, angels, etc., would still be in their vessels when they are in Heaven and Hell, so I figured that when people saw representations of people down there, it's not really literal. They see whatever there mind wants to see. In our glimpses of Dean down in Hell, we saw his body, and he had the sensation of being cut up and torn apart, but his body wasn't really there.
ReplyDeleteYeah,I know!But remember when Sam and Dean went to Heaven and Zachariah told them that they only see him in his human vessel,cause they are "limited"..Maybe that's how it works in Hell as well!Maybe humans see only what they can perceive...
ReplyDeleteI like your theory!When we first saw the "You owe me" line,I thought he meant,"You owe me,cause I sacrificed myself to stop the Apocalypse."
ReplyDeleteBut what you're saying is possible!Although,even soulless,Sam's frustration about Cas not showing up during the one year seemed genuine..
I don't know about your theory about War..It's been a long time since we last saw him and it would be weird to suddenly use him for something THAT big.It's not like Lenore showing up..She only helped track Eve and then she was gone(literally)..Pulling Sam out of the cage is huge!
But I agree that Sam's soul will somehow connect with the deal between Cas and Crowley.I was thinking that maybe Crowley was the one to seek out Cas..Maybe Cas refused to work with him at first and Crowley told him that he could try to break Sam out of the cage.Because the Winchester's truly are his achilles heel,for that I'm sure!
Generally,I think that part of the deal was for the Winchesters to remain unharmed(and that's why the dialogue in the clip).I thought it was a little weird that after stopping the long-awaited fight between Lucifer and Michael,Dean just went and lived a normal life with no one coming after him(angel or demon)..Maybe Crowley was supposed to keep his demons away from Dean.
I like the idea that part of Cas's deal with Crowley was that the Winchesters remain unharmed, and maybe that was a contributing factor to Dean's year of peace. Was Eve behind the djinns finally catching up with Dean - because she wanted Dean in the game to try to stop Crowley?
ReplyDeleteAs Crowley noted in an earlier episode, Sam always tries to kill Crowley when he sees him. I think Sam was trying to kill Crowley in Caged Heat, not get his soul back. Crowley was worried that Cas couldn't stop Sam so he had Samuel zap Cas away and quickly tried to kill Dean and Sam with the ghouls. It didn't work though and Cas returned. Cas faked Crowley's death so that Sam would stop going after Crowley.
I hope Crowley has what is coming to him, sooner rather than later. I think Cas is protecting Sam and Dean (and isn't that what angels are supposed to do after all?) and he won't let anything happen to them. He would sacrifice his own life before theirs and that is why angels become angels in heaven.
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing they mean that if Raphael springs Michael and Lucifer from the cage, Michael and Lucifer will torture Cas and Crowley for eternity since they both played a role in putting them in the cage. Hell's torture seems to be a person dying over and over again (what Dean remembered from Hell and what we saw in the few seconds of Sam's time in Hell), so that's what Cas and Crowley are expecting as their fate.
ReplyDeleteSo, I'm guessing angels and demons can never rest (Cas keeps coming back, Crowley) until purgatory is found. Perhaps G*D is there? I'm sure Cas really thought he killed Crowley, it's just they keep coming back?
ReplyDeleteyes.
ReplyDeletefinally an enemy whos not underrestimating the boys !